#he'd literally do anything for a chance with Black Widow
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hemlock-dreams · 7 hours ago
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What's Spidys relationship like with the other NY bound heros?
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Got a bunch of other hero asks so it's time for Ye Olde Lore Dump!
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Johnny and H!Spiderman have never gotten along- in either universe.
They don't even really have any real beef with each other, they're just two dudes who grate on each other's nerves for no particular reason- like two guys at a frat party who are just waiting for an excuse to duke it out.
There's just something about Johnny's playboy easy-come-and-go vibe that makes Spidey want to plant a fist in his face. And Johnny thinks Spiderman is a fucking buzzkill.
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Black Widow and Spiderman have a good working relationship. He once helped her out of a tight spot in New York and he was fast, smart and discreet about it- so when she's got some ops she needs a second pair of hands for (under the table), she calls him.
Spiderman admires Nat's competence and single-minded focus in getting things done- they all appeal to the hunter in him. (And he's got a massive crush on her.)
They usually do one or two jobs every few months, and meet up for drinks at one of her safehouses. She's also knows his secret identity, because she's just that scary.
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Logan and Peter are BFFs. For real. Logan was in town to help with some shit that ended up involved Deadpool and found himself at St. Margaret's.
He and Peter struck up a friendship that ends up with them going camping every couple of months for a week or so.
Logan likes Peter's no-bullshit sincerity and can tell he's had some shit(TM) go down in his life. Peter's easy to talk to and is good at reading the room. And Peter feels like Logan fills in that space Marko left as a friend/mentor/gruff bro figure.
Logan actually picks up when Peter calls. (most others he leaves on read).
Fun fact, he has no idea Peter is Spiderman.
And another fun fact, it's not Johnny Deadpool is jealous of, it's Logan.
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Peter has a very complicated relationship with the Avengers.
On one hand, he knows what they do and what they stand for- on the other hand, he's got a real problem with authority figures. He's been invited to the Avengers multiple times, in both realities.
The answer is always blanket N.O. (And, depending on whether it's stark asking, accompanied by a giant middle finger). (Though he's reluctantly agreed to have an avenger's phone in case there are any massive threats they need help with).
As for the members:
Stark gets on his nerves like nothing else. He's not super easy to rile up, but Stark's playboy arrogance (real or not), way he talks down at people, the self-appointed authority, the entitlement, and, of course, the fucking hypocrisy- it makes Spidey go 0 to 'cashmeoutside' immediately.
He and the Captain sometimes get along, but mostly when the Captain isn't in one of his preachy, pontificating moments. They do work very well together in a combat capacity, but they don't have much to talk about.
Thor is fine, but completely outside of Spidey's sphere and also, difficult to work with given his powers.
Bruce and Spidey just don't have much to talk about, and once again, Hulk is way too loud and can't particularly coordinate when they have to team up.
In general, H!Spiderman gets along with the more 'loner' heroes like Murdock, Deadpool, Black Widow, Bucky, Logan, Clint and so on.
(Side note, imagine he said all these shots fired shit to the Avengers and they were like 'no? none of this happened?' because it's not the same reality and Spiderman has to go home and die from the cringe???) (no we'll let him be cool for this)
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Once again, thank you so much for the asks!! I really appreciate all the love this AU has gotten and I hope these answers satisfy!!!
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thedawningofthehour · 2 years ago
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1) When I read the part where Draxum rejects the idea of seeking an alliance with Big mama, a part of me snapped my fingers and said 'Dang! But another part of Me said 'ooh that's right, Draxum still doesn't know that Big mama was fucking Lou-jitsu ass' considering his secret crush on him I would love to know his reaction if he finds out.
Especially if big mama gets to win the race of who get donnie first and finds out from her, who I can see taking him right after to the ceremony for Splinter to kill him as a wedding gift. Which thinking about it would be a pretty cruel fate even for Draxum.
2) I imagine that Draxum did not apply his plan with the four turtles because it would have been much more difficult to keep an eye on all four of them, if one of them escaped he could free the others and his plan would be shattered. Now I wonder how it would have been if Draxum had also captured Leo on that roof? Double angst for the fam surely.
3) we see yokai that can fly, in the hidden city most wanted episode there's a part where we see a bird yokai mom flying with her child. Also the tmnt has mutants that can fly, Koya for example.
I feel like he would know?! I mean, come on, this is Big Mama and the all-time Battle Nexus champion. They were 100% on the cover of like...CosmoYokai, or Hidden City Enquirer. (it's been like fifteen years since I've cared about that kind of magazine so I forget what's popular) They were the star couple. When Lou stopped competing there were probably rumors that Big Mama ate him black widow style or that they had kids or something and Lou was now a stay-at-home dad. (human AU where Big Mama is Lou's executive, bread-winning wife and he quits acting to raise the kids)
I get the feeling that Draxum always knew that he would never have a chance with Lou. Either because he thought Lou wasn't interested in men, because he was wholly devoted to Big Mama or simply because Draxum kind of sucks and has never had a successful love life. I mean, he got Lou in his house and just stuck him in a cage. No attempts to woo him or anything. Raising Lou's kids was all Draxum could expect.
Oooooh man that is cruel. To have his son taken away, then be told that the guy he's in love with is marrying the woman who took him-literally because she kidnapped his son-right before Lou hatefully murders him? Goddamn. Just obliterate him.
Oh, exactly, all the boys are dangerous and they're increasingly dangerous when you put them together. Donnie was definitely the most risky one to capture, but he also had the most potential. It would have been difficult to do the same thing with more than one because Donnie actually required a lot of one-on-one attention. He might have been able to manage it with two, but why would he? He can make new mutants with similar abilities and would be more loyal to him. Donnie was one in a million and Draxum knew he had to take advantage of that luck.
He wouldn't have captured them both. He didn't have anything set up to hold Leo and knew he'd require something specially tailored to him, like The Table was for Donnie. Leo and Mikey didn't really interest him anyway. The only other one he would have wanted was Raph, who he knew could tear through physical restraints and Draxum would need to leverage one of his brothers over him to keep him from destroying everything. The only other brother that interested him was Donnie, and Draxum didn't want to risk Raph calling his bluff and having to hurt Donnie.
But some of Raph's Book 1 actions are actually adapted from my Risex2012 crossover idea where Leo and Donnie end up in 2012 universe and Raph goes a little crazy with two of his brothers missing. The scene with Meat Sweats was originally just Raph, and without Leo there to stop him, uh...let's just say he did a little more damage.
There would probably be both flighted and unflighted classes of winged Yokai, honestly. Some of them would be able to fly, some would have mutated with wings too short or too weak, some are probably crossbreeds with unwinged Yokai and were born with solid bones or without feathers. Now I'm thinking about how bird Yokai talk despite clearly having beaks-they'd have to make those sounds like birds do when they mimic, with their tongues. They probably have their own sort of sublanguage that's easier for them to vocalize.
Also, just fucking imagine all the feathers. Especially if the feathery Yokai molt on some sort of seasonal cycle-I'm unsure how it is with other birds, my cockatiels have always molted kind of whenever. When Angel molts it literally looks like a bird exploded wherever he stands for more than a few minutes. He'll do a shake and three to five feathers will come flying off. And he's like the size of my fist. Imagine how many fucking feathers a human-sized bird would drop during a molt. There's probably weeks of the year where it looks like cotton or cherry blossoms are covering the streets but no, it's just fucking feathers.
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initiumseries · 3 years ago
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I mean I feel like that’s what we are assume post endgame because important members died and the new marvels shows/movie seems like they are showing their life’s post avengers and trying to set up a new one. I agree with aunt May thing not because I dislike the trope (sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t) because I feel like they tried to make her a different character this movie. In the first two she was the hot aunt nothing really more and now they tried to make her more serious
Here's the thing: you shouldn't be assuming anything.
I wish viewers would stop filling in the blanks for shows or movies. You aren't supposed to be doing that. A movie/tv show is literally a form of visual storytelling. So their job, is to tell a story as completely as possible from start to finish and remember their own canon so everything hooks up. Good writing does this already. It's just less noticeable because it appears effortless and baked into the story to answer these questions before you can even have them. You shouldn't walk away with questions, guesses or assumptions that is easily answerable on screen with two or three lines of dialogue. The fact that so much of the viewer experience of the Avengers and Marvel movies in general requires viewers to make their own assumptions is literally indicative of their failure to tell good/strong stories. I refuse to assume anything that I didn't see on screen because that doesn't make sense. That's literally my own interpretation of events, not canon. I'll only discuss canon.
I always find it funny that she's the "hot aunt" because honestly, she's just a moderately attractive older woman that isn't performing her age in the stuffy, frumpy, outdated way we tend to view older women. She wears form fitting jeans and has long hair and glasses so OMG. HAWT. But I digress lmao. Aunt May, didn't have the kind of role in Peter's canonically that we see in this latest movie, she was there for sex appeal, and suddenly they were like "ok well she has to DO something before we kill her." Which I think is a shame. Showing them having a genuinely fruitful relationship, the same way Andrew and Toby's Spidermen were shown with Uncle Ben, would've been nice. Bu Marvel failing at character continuity? Le gasp. Remember Hulk and Black Widow suddenly being in love and suddenly not in the span of two movies?
But my point about that storyline had nothing to do with Aunt May, and everything to do with the crux of the movie: "everyone deserves a second chance."
Peter's first interaction with Doc Oc, Jamie Foxx's character, Green Goblin and the sand guy were literally them trying to kill him and/or everyone in the general vicinity. Then they tell him they were killed by the Spiderman in their universes. And Peter never once asks why? Perhaps because they were trying to kill people? He's supposed to be really smart lol. None of them, outside of Osbourne, were even interested in being "helped" by him. He forced his "help" on them so he could feel better about saving them and the result was a whole bunch of collateral damage and his Aunt being killed because of his hubris, but the dialogue and entire narrative frames his choice as virtuous. His choice killed more people than if he'd sent them back to be handled by their Spidermen. That's completely unethical and unjust. This concept of "saving everybody" is vanity, simply because life just doesn't work that way. And in the effort to save those who not only don't want to be save, but actively want to kill you and everyone else, tends to result in a lot of people getting hurt, as we see each time this tired trope gets trotted out on screen. Some people just need to be stopped. I take issue with a bunch of villains who have willfully killed people, suddenly being reduced to victims of technology, mental illness and low self esteem just so Peter can be framed as the hero. Dr. Strange was right the whole time. And anyway, why the fuck was curing them so important if they had to be sent back anyway? What does that mean for the Spidermen in their universes? This whole movie hinged on a flimsy narrative that doesn't even hold up past the most cursory criticism. All Peter had to do was send them back. The end. It's not even that they weren't his responsibility, but he was not qualified to judge whether or not they deserved a second chance because all he knew about them was his immediate interactions and whatever the villains actually told him, and since they'd just got done hurting people, it kinda seems like, maybe taking them at their word is probably not very prudent. Curing them only makes sense if they couldn't return to their universes, but they could...so why did any of this have to happen?
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lonelyghosts-stuff · 3 years ago
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The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Review/Rant
Because I have been extra salty lately.
This show had so much potential but ruined itself with the heavy-handed messages and the poorly written antagonists.
The antagonists were poorly defined and written. They were terrorists. They were NOT activists. And John Walker wasn't even bad... He wasn't necessarily a good cap and kinda cocky, but no one even gave him a chance!!! And then they get pissed at him for avenging his MURDERED FRIEND. And then they play the Dora Milaje RANDOMLY TRYING TO MURDER JOHN as a joke!!! Like, what?! What did he do there? He literally did nothing wrong there and you're supposed to be there for Zemo, not him. He literally introduced himself to Ayo and she just goes to try to murder him and Lemar! And also, how horrible was it that Ayo just removed Bucky's prosthetic like that? I'd be beyond hurt if I was told I was free of mind control and trusted, only to have it revealed to me they actually had a failsafe put in without my knowledge. And to make matters worse, Bucky literally was trying NOT to fight. In no way did he threaten the Dora Milaje in anyway, even shouting "Let's talk!". But nope, bye bye arm I guess. Yea that's fair... If you wanted John to be the bad guy, then make him the bad guy. As in actually make him a bad person. Make him drunk with power. Make him the opposite of everything Steve stood for. But as he was, John isn't a bad guy.
And how come the serum didn't change how the Flagsmashers looked??? What? Sure I guess the serum works differently now. It used to increase your muscle mass and such and even required a complex machine and vitarays to make it work but sure why not--now it just needs a simple injection. And the only serums that existed were the ones used on Steve Rogers and one destroyed and then the version that HYDRA made (and then retconned that there were even other ones used on people like Alexei in Black Widow...) but sure, some random dude was able to recreate the serum... Why not. Not like other labs all over the world have been trying and failing, resulting in things like The Hulk or anything...
And the thing with Isaiah COULD have been powerful. It could have been a legit plot point. An actually emotional moment. Like, there's nothing wrong with having a message like that in a show, HOWEVER, you need to set it up better! It needs to be implemented better. It can't just be shoehorned in! And it would have fit since Isaiah was in the army at the time where racism was prominent in America. Could have had him learn that things have changed. That he can be accepted in the modern world. That he can tell his story. Now THAT is what I would like to hear. A wholesome story of learning how times have changed. Of forgiveness and moving on. Have him commit to becoming part of society because, while it ain't perfect, it's nothing like it was and the only way you can help change it and improve it is to be a part of it.
And the idea that Steve Rogers would leave and not do anything about Sharon is an insult to the character. There's not way he'd just forget about her. I mean, even though Marvel had Steve leave Bucky (which I don't agree with as being in character either), at LEAST he left him on knowing terms.
And I can't emphasize enough how the Flagsmashers are literally TERRORISTS (and have a dumb name). Yet for some reason, they're treated like vigilantes. They also had potential to be actually compelling antagonists and anti-heroes. The concept of how much life changed during the blip and afterwards. The Flagsmashers had horribly defined motives. Yea it's not fair for the people left behind to be removed from the new lives they made during the blip, but it's also not fair for the people who had lives and got blipped back to be not allowed to return to their old lives. Have the Flagsmashers be like Robin Hood like figures; stealing from stores and more to help those displaced. They're not necessarily good guys, but they're trying to help. Then have certain people within the Flagsmashers take on an extremist view. Where they try to topple the government to lead to lawlessness to go back to how things were during the blip as much as possible. Have the other Flagsmasher renounce those members as they don't want to really hurt anyone, and have the extremists form a new subgroup (maybe they could be the Flagsmashers and give a different name to the other group).
Marvel was too ambitious here. Had some good ideas, but bad execution. They tried too hard to have subtext everywhere but didn't do a good job setting it up or fleshing it out.
Bucky's trauma and Sebastian Stan's acting was easily one of the best parts of the show (but also screw that therapist). I liked Sam and Bucky's chemistry and their banter, but that and the action in the show was probably all that was really good about the show. Oh, and Zemo dancing of course. There are parts of a good show here. Just needs a lot of reformatting and rewriting, but the parts are there.
5/10
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