#hate the diagnostic criteria being centered around how the disorder is hard on others hate the naming

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oh it's the Clusterby twins!! darling little Bad Person Disorder and Nefarious People Disorder. oh, they're so popular around town, everyone says they run into them everywhere. I think their older sister came back home recently--Hysterical Bitch Disorder. yeah, she changed her name recently but no one's calling her that. she's still little ol' Hissy Fit to all of us. yeah, things have been hard ever since their kid brother Asshole PD got arrested for loitering malevolently. well, you know, it was just bound to happen with those sorts... funny thing is, we didn't even know he was part of the family until it was revealed by the good officers!

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@coccinelle-et-chaton I love this post lol. It's so informative and detailed, this is really helpful!

I'm still learning more about ADHD signs and I gotta say this was really great both as a fan and a clinician.

One of the challenges with diagnosing ADHD, for me at least, is how comorbid it is with other disorders, especially Generalized anxiety disorder (GAD)

This post was great because it helps identify many specific qualities/symptoms that can be attributed to ADHD, like her impulsivity, creative problem solving, and time management. But I will say some of them, like hyperfixation or emotional dysregulation, are found in practically every disorder and so I'm not 100% sure on whether they are caused by her ADHD or GAD, and she definitely has both.

With regards to emotional dysregulation, I would actually say that might be an attribute of her GAD (but of course the ADHD would make it more challenging to manage). I say this because when we see her emotions become overwhelming it is as a response to very specific stressors that cause her to feel anxious, and in turn make it difficult to regulate her emotions, which can lead to angry outbursts or periods of intense sadness. Like her spiraling about the phone was definitely based on an anxious thought that probably centered around "Adrien's going to hate me for this" which caused her to fall into a cycle of anxiety.

Again, definitely made worse by her ADHD but if I was working with Marinette as a client I would focus more on treating the anxiety part of that situation because of the cycle it's perpetuating.

And this is more of a pet peeve of mine but I do feel the need to say it: hyperfixation is not found only in ADHD. It is really common for people to get interested and invested in something, even if it lasts for an extended period of time or for hours after.

ADHD does make it more difficult for someone to take care of themselves or get out of the zone when needed, so the example with the pigeon hat is good especially if Marinette is ignoring simple care for herself. When that happens I will address it with clients, but honestly most of the time I'm so excited to hear kids talk about their interests and express excitement for what they enjoy, especially those who are depressed or anxious.

The RSD is interesting to point out here because studies suggest it's one of the only emotional symptoms that are linked specifically to ADHD and not really found in other disorders.

The complications arise when we try to see if this is how her anxiety manifests itself or if this might be specifically related to her ADHD? One difference between the two is that with GAD it lasts for a long duration of time (at least 6 months by diagnostic criteria) and it will be before an anxious situation while with RSD it's more situational and the effects can linger during and after the situation itself has ended.

With Marinette, it's difficult to say which it might be because in the case of Style Queen she didn't express any worry related to being judged or feeling like an imposter, and she even managed to enjoy the fashion show itself. Pretty much all her anxiety was before the event which tells me it's more anxiety than RSD. But there are definitely other scenarios where I can see it being the case but I am leaning more towards anxiety from a clinical perspective,

But again, ADHD and Anxiety are so highly comorbid (I think the statistics are insane like 50% of people with ADHD have an anxiety disorder) and they play off each other so much, it's hard to figure out which symptom is related to what disorder.

The real question is how would we target this in treatment?

Typically, it depends on what is causing the most distress in a person's life. For example, if a client comes to me and says I have a lot of trouble focusing in school but also I'm too anxious to leave my house so I avoid going, I will target the anxiety and work with them to go back to school. In the process, that might include getting support for the ADHD or working with the school to put a plan in place to help support the work.

One thing I can definitely say with 100% certainty is that Marinette is even more impressive to me because she has been able to manage so many of her symptoms and challenges related to her ADHD in her own way, and I gotta say give props to that because I do not know many 14-year-olds who have her organizational or problem-solving skills.

In treatment, I'd probably focus more on her anxious thoughts and cognitive distortions cause to me that has the potential to cause more challenges since she is already able to deal with her anxiety in a pretty healthy way.

Evidence for ADHD Marinette

Marinette has some tendencies in the show - that she does over and over again - that scream ADHD to me. Obviously I can’t cite every single instance in the show that points toward that, but here are some examples of ADHD traits/symptoms Marinette repeatedly exhibits on screen.

Forgetfulness, Time Management

Forgetting things. A hallmark of ADHD.

Let’s look at Timebreaker. Mari was all set to do her homework and wait for her parents’ client, completely forgetting that she was supposed to bring a banner for a race between her friends Kim and Alix - across town. Alya calling her at all didn’t even remind her, she had to be told explicitly what was happening before she remembered. Then proceeded to freak out because she’d accidentally made two commitments at the same time.

Marinette completely spaced on the race, even though it was important to her, because there was something else right in front of her: homework, her parents’ anniversary, and the Eiffel Tower cake. She was then certain that she could make it to the race and still be back at the bakery to meet Mrs. Chamack - which was a resounding NOT for anyone who watched the episode. The only way she got away with it was by literally being in two places at once. ADHD often comes with a bad sense of time, so while 20 minutes probably felt like enough time to Marinette it passed way more quickly than anticipated. 

Forgetfulness, Distractability

Ah, another instance of Alya reminding Mari of her plans. In this case she’d lost track of time because of the Adrien ad playing on a loop on her computer - to the point that she was still not dressed even though all her friends were out and about (including the ones waiting for her at the pool).

As soon as she realized she was very late, Mari grabbed her stuff and sprinted out of her house without changing out of her pajamas. Even when Tikki told her she was forgetting something she’d jumped to the wrong conclusion - although she may very well have forgotten both her swim suit and to change. 

Impulsivity, Creativity

Marinette improvises all the time. And she has a habit of diving headfirst into dangerous, crazy plans. The girl was facing down a T. Rex headfirst in Animan, and when she got her lucky charm her weird, creative problem-solving skills told her to jump into its mouth and jam it open.

In general, I think her use of the lucky charms indicates a wild creativity that’s characteristic of ADHD. Current research shows a very high correlation between ADHD and creative personalities, and Dr. William Dodson (who has been studying ADHD for 25 years) has found that “by the time most people with the condition reach high school, they are able to tackle problems that stump everyone else, and can jump to solutions that no one else saw.”

Marinette exhibits this surprising and unorthodox problem solving when she spots a series of seemingly unrelated objects that will somehow end the fight. Take Copycat for example. She got a freaking SPOON and she decided to make it into a homemade fishing rod to hoist the fake Chat Noir into the air by his belt. WHAT EVEN

more Impulsivity

Even before she got comfortable in her skin-tight supersuit, Marinette did demonstrate an inclination to take impulsive risks in the origins episode. Master Fu tested her by deliberately walking in front of a moving car to see if she’d save him.

There was no hesitation here. She saw Fu, saw the car, and immediately ran out to pull him to safety. The whole thing happened in a few seconds. Obviously this action was motivated by her inherent kindness; she didn’t do a dangerous thing because it was dangerous. Plenty of good people (none of whom seemed to be at the crosswalk that day, they all noticed nothing) would have wanted to do something but hesitated, or not reacted in time.

Not Marinette. While she was clearly scared for him, the high stakes of the situation didn’t faze her; she just acted instinctively. According to Dr. Dale Archer, ADHD brains do well under pressure, because high-stress situations get the dopamine flowing and those levels make them snap to attention.

Time Management, Impulsivity (again)

In Lady Wifi, Marinette ran into class late for no indicated reason, something she does frequently (and only sometimes it’s because of Ladybug duties) to the point where her chronic tardiness becomes a running gag. This is an extension of her inability to judge time accurately as discussed above. 

Also demonstrated in this episode, ADHD’ers will often have outbursts and accidentally say things without thinking. Upon learning what happened to Alya from Nino, she lost control and shouted “What?!?!?!” not once, but TWICE. It could also allude to emotional dysregulation (a less-known ADHD symptom) because she was unable to keep her emotional reactions to her friend getting in trouble under control. 

Hyperfixation, Emotional Dysregulation

Hey, remember when Marinette was so absorbed in that Adrien ad that she forgot about her friends and her clothes? I think the Adrien video hit her with a double whammy, because she’s deeply infatuated with him and this new thing about the guy she likes ensnared her attention.

So Marinette is obsessed with Adrien, right? I’m sure most of us would fawn over a new ad starring our crush-who’s-also-a-model. But she has a one-track mind when it comes to him. Hyperfixation is an extremely intense obsession and focus on a subject, and I think her crush can qualify because it tends to dominate her life and attention. While many things may be difficult for Marinette to maintain focus on, ADHD is great for focusing on things that are interesting, challenging, and new. So when that beautiful ad showed up, this new thing related to her fixation pushed all the happy dopamine buttons in her brain. She obviously finds Adrien interesting because she’s interested in him, and she keeps trying to get him to notice her romantically and that’s definitely a challenge.

If you’d like/need another example of Marinette hyperfixating on something, I give you: fashion. Okay, maybe that’s more of a passion than a fixation, but the episode Mr. Pigeon DID give us a hyperfocusing Marinette when she spent hours and hours on end designing and making the derby hat for Gabriel Agreste’s competition.

Moving on to emotional dysregulation. We’ve seen Marinette overreact to Alya being mistreated in Lady Wifi. Even casual watchers of Miraculous will know that Marinette has similarly powerful reactions to feelings and events concerning Adrien. I can’t even begin to count the number of times she’s screamed around him.

Remember that time she publicly yelled at Lila in Volpina? Her jealousy and annoyance at her lies completely dictated her decisions here and she went way overboard - as Adrien was quick to tell her. She laid into her. NOT normal behavior for Marinette when she has her head on straight. Tikki sure wasn’t supportive of Marinette using Ladybug like this.

Tikki also wasn’t too pleased when she used her lucky charm to break up Adrien and Chloe slow dancing at his birthday party. This is another time her jealousy overtook her.

And one more little overreaction here. In Copycat, Marinette was totally spiraling in true melodramatic fashion about the consequences of stealing a phone. She imagined a life sentence. This is characteristic of how ADHD’ers often have trouble regulating emotions, leading to overblown responses to various stressors. Is it just me, or does she get particularly worked up when she’s fantasizing (both good and bad)?

I can’t find a picture for it, but another time Marinette was reacting very strongly to a predicament was in Mr. Pigeon when she paced back and forth, flipping through her sketchbook, and ranted at Alya about how difficult a derby hat design would be. She was pretty disheartened by her lack of immediate inspiration; she was even curled up on the bench dejectedly while Alya tried to help her.

It’s also worth mentioning that she totally ran into a wall after Adrien complimented her drawings.

I could add more, but this post is already basically an essay and I think you get the point. If you share the ADHD Marinette headcanon do please add any examples you think of!