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nothinggold13 ¡ 10 months ago
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found Classic Who on Tubi so I’ve just got to say: I love you long hallways that are obviously just painted walls I love you miniatures that look like plastic children’s toys I love you props that look like paper I love you shaky camera shifts I love you Thals I love you ridiculous 60’s space costumes I love you media that was clearly never meant to be seen on an HD big screen I love you Ian Chesterton I love you fade-in teleportation effects I love you Classic Who theme I love you I love you I love you ❤️
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picnokinesis ¡ 5 months ago
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Thoughts on Different Types of Representation in Doctor Who (and how fandom responds to it)
So I watched Rogue last night and - okay first, oh my days, absolutely ADORED it, this is definitely my favourite episode of this season, it was just so much FUN and it hooked me right from the start. And then the queerness! I was actually thinking to myself whilst watching it how wonderful it was because it felt like a queer story in a way that wasn't like, showboating about how progressive it was? [editorial aside: this is not comparing it to anything in particular, just a general observation]. The characters were just queer, within this wild and wonderful sci-fi story, but also their queerness wasn't the Only Character Trait they had and their story didn't resolve around their queerness, but their queerness was crucial to the plot in a way that was just lovely to see - and as a writer myself, it's personally the way I love to see our stories being told.
But then I made the mistake of going into the tag - always a foolish thing to do, because for some reason everyone loves to praise this era by criticising the previous era (as if it hasn't been criticised enough...like we know most of y'all hate Chris Chibnall for committing no worse crimes than Moffat and RTD before him...we know). And I found a couple of folks talking about how this episode alone did more for queer representation than the entirety of thirteen's era, whiiiiich at first really Peeved Me Off - like didn't these people understand how important Yaz's arc (especially Eve of the Daleks) was to a LOT of people? But then I was like 'well actually this is interesting', right? Because I think there's two very different kinds of representation going on here - and they're both very important in different ways, but one tends to get lauded as brilliant rep and one always gets put down as not good enough, or even bad rep. And what's the main difference? Whether the characters have a gay kiss or not.
So I just thought I'd share some of my thoughts and feelings on this, and why I think both these kinds of rep are equally important! To be clear from the get-go though - this is definitely not me ragging on anyone who likes more about one than the other (in fact, I think everyone likes one more than the other). This is merely a personal essay about it and the frustrations that comes when people in general do lift one up over the other. I'm gonna put it under the cut though, because it might get a bit long!
So, back when Eve of the Daleks aired, I remember having a lot of conversations about the representation in that episode - in particular with a very good friend of mine, who is a lesbian. And we realised that when it came to rep, we both actually wanted pretty different things. I'm aroace and genderfluid, and so a lot of what I saw in how thirteen was written - especially in terms of her gender (or lack thereof), and also her apparent lack of attraction (at least, in how I read it) was just incredibly affirming to me. I've never EVER seen a character on screen that I could see myself in both in terms of sexuality and gender. Whereas my friend saw things quite differently - thirteen was a lesbian, and they wanted to see that kiss between these two characters, because for them too, it was so rare to see that, and, in their words, they wanted to have their cake and eat it too. And we both realised that the reason that queer representation can feel so intense and important is, simply, because there isn't enough of it. We're all desperately reaching for the same small portion - and none of it is ever going to please everyone, or resonate with everyone. The stakes are too high.
So then, when there wasn't this dramatic romantic ending to Yaz's story, when there was no queer kiss, I was very sad for my friend, who didn't get that representation, but so painfully relieved for myself - because I got mine. So then it sucked a lot to see a lot of people getting really angry that this wasn't queer representation, that this was even homophobic - I even had someone tell me that aromantic representation in this regard was always going to be homophobic, because no-one would ever write it to be aro rep, and would instead only ever write it to avoid writing a gay kiss. And the thing that got me the most was that, REGARDLESS of whether they kissed or not, regardless of how you read either of the characters, there was one thing that was certain:
Yaz was queer. In text. Her emotional plotline centred around her realising that she was attracted to the Doctor (who was presenting as a woman - although, again, I don't think she really identified as such). The fact that she and the Doctor didn't get together by the end does not erase that fact.
They didn't kiss - but so what? Are queer people only queer when they're kissing someone of the same gender, or having gay sex? Are queer people not queer in their day to day lives, when they're not doing any of those things? Are queer people not queer when they're not dating? Are queer people not queer when they're trans, when they're ace, when they're aro, when their queerness doesn't resolve around attraction to the same gender?
And, to be honest, I think a lot of my feelings around this stem from the sort of exclusionist rhetoric that we saw a LOT of towards the ace/aro community back in 2012 that we still see now, that we're seeing towards the trans community now, that we're still seeing towards bi people, for pete's sake. It's this in-community infighting, pushing each other down to try and get up to the top, to keep all the "resources" for "the people who really need it", and it causes a serious amount of harm - but the truth is (and to bring this back to doctor who) that it all comes back to what me and my friend were discussing. We're all scared, all desperate to be seen - and when we are seen, it's the most incredible experience and the idea of losing that (or having someone else undermine it) feels inexpressibly awful. Having the thirteenth doctor...I suddenly realised this is what all the straight cis white dudes get all the time. She was like me, and that was indescribable. And then losing her - and having RTD not even be able to have a man wear her clothes because he was too worried about what the tabloids would say to be able to show a gnc person on tv...and then constantly described her as The Woman Doctor for the next entire episode - that hurt. A lot.
I've spoken to other friends who felt so seen in the character of Yaz - those people who realised they were queer later in life, those who fall in love with people and it doesn't end up going anywhere, those who don't get the whirlwind queer romances that people often call 'good representation'. Myself and many of my aspec friends have felt so seen in thirteen's almost entirely romance-less arc, and myself and my trans/genderqueer friends felt very seen in the way that thirteen's character would have been exactly the same if she'd been a man - the only difference was how the other characters around her interacted with her. Gender was something that happened to her. And when I watch episodes like Rogue, even though I don't relate to that representation, I just feel overwhelmed with joy because I know how important it will be to others that I care about. I think my sadness then comes from the fact that the way Thirteen and Yaz were written are just as important to me and many people that I know, but because they didn't kiss, it's not considered queer enough. Am I not queer enough, then? Are my friends not queer enough?
We need more episodes like Rogue, like The Parting of Ways, like Praxeus, like The Doctor Falls, because they are unquestionably and unapologetically queer, in a way that can't be avoided. We also need more episodes like Eve of the Daleks, like The Haunting of the Villa Diodati, like the rest of thirteen's era where the representation is an undercurrent throughout the whole story - but also undeniable, in a way that Yaz's story arc is, even if it doesn't end in a kiss, even if it doesn't end neatly and happily. Personally, I definitely would love to see more stories focused on aromanticism and on transness (especially ones that are written by trans people for trans people, rather than by cis people for cis people), but that's probably going to be down to people like me and other writers that I know actually getting into the script writing industry - and that depends on the people who are already there letting us in. One thing that I've always appreciated about Chibnall is that, after leaving Doctor Who, he began a programme for training up new showrunners with ITV, because: "showrunners are the gatekeepers and too many of the gatekeepers look like me."
Anyway, I probably have more thoughts that I've forgotten, but that's generally the gist of it. I think the more we fight over whether rep is 'good' or 'bad', relating to whether we see ourselves in it or not (rather than 'is this genuinely harmful or unhelpful', which I think is a more crucial question) the more the waters get muddied. We have different needs and wants, and no single episode is going to represent every facet of our community. But each episode, each story like this is a step in the right direction - and even rep that isn't perfect (I have thoughts about The Star Beast, for example) is still extremely positive and important, and definitely something that should be celebrated, even as we keep looking to the future for what we would like to see done differently, done better. And some day, I hope, there'll be so much queer rep, it'll be so normal, that those stakes won't feel so high anymore. It won't feel like everything hangs on how a certain show or storyline or episode is written. We'll all be seen. And that will be absolutely fantastic.
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lucascecil ¡ 5 months ago
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Doctor Who - Eighth Doctor Guide
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This incarnation first appeared in the 1996 movie ‘Doctor Who’ in which was, at the time, an attempt to bring the show back while trying to bring in American viewers. It was a total failure and the show would only come back on TV in 2005 with the new series. However, these were exciting news to the expanded universe: the Eighth Doctor opened a door to explore new and imaginative ideas in this second half of the wilderness years (as we call the show hiatus from 1989 to 2005).
Virgin Books would lose their license to Doctor Who and therefore their publication of the Seventh Doctor books, at the time the only continuation to the show we had, stopped. Instead, the Eighth Doctor Adventures were released, a book series focusing on the adventures of the Eighth Doctor with new, original companions. And, five years later, Paul McGann would once again step into the role in Big Finish.
These guides include only tv, books and audio stories, but this time only I will make an exception: we’ll include the Doctor Who Magazine Comics too. You totally should give these comics a chance for other Doctors too, but Eight is getting special treatment because the Magazine did its own thing with him just as the other media. It has four well defined narrative arcs/”seasons” and introduces their own original companion. So let’s start!
INTO THE COMICS
‘Season one’ – Adventures with Izzy
[ ] Endgame
[ ] The Keep
[ ] A Life of Matter and Death
[ ] Fire and Brimstone
[ ] By Hook or by Crook
[ ] Tooth and Claw
[ ] The Final Chapter
[ ] Wormwood
[ ] Happy Deathday
This season picks up a plot point from the Seventh Doctor DWM’s comics regarding a recurring villain, but you’ll understand it fine enough even if haven’t read what came before. This is collected as The Eighth Doctor Comics Strips volume 01, as that edition has a summary of what you need to know. Otherwise, it’s a perfect jumping point. The Doctor meets Izzy Sinclair, a young girl from Stockbridge that helps him fight the Toymaker when the elder god takes control of the town, quickstating a long road of self-discovery for Izzy.
‘Season two’ – Continued adventures with Izzy, plus Kroton
[ ] The Fallen
[ ] Unnatural Born Killers
[ ] The Road to Hell
[ ] TV Action!
[ ] The Company of Thieves
[ ] The Glorious Dead
[ ] The Autonomy Bug
This season is collected as The Eighth Doctor Comics Strips volume 02 and introduces a temporary companion I love: Kroton, the good Cybermen. It also has one of the best Master stories ever. It also features the only other proper Grace story ever since I think they just ignored the copyright issue and used her anyway.
‘Season three’ – Continued adventures with Izzy
[ ] Ophidius
[ ] Beautiful Freak
[ ] The Way of All Flesh
[ ] Children of the Revolution
[ ] Me and My Shadow
[ ] Uroboros
[ ] Oblivion
This season is collected as the Eighth Doctor Comics Strips volume 03. This season finishes Izzy’s story while also introducing the next companion, Destrii. It also has one of my favorite Daleks stories.
‘Season four’ – Solo adventures, then joined by Destrii
[ ] Where Nobody Know Your Name
[ ] The Nightmare Game
[ ] The Power of Thoueris!
[ ] The Curious Tale of Spring-Heeled Jack
[ ] The Land of Happy Endings
[ ] Bad Blood
[ ] Sins of the Father
[ ] The Flood
This season is collected as the Eighth Doctor Comics Strips volume 04. For the most part it shows the Doctor rebounding from his goodbye to Izzy (platonically, I see their relationship as paternal), kinda trying to find a new companion (he is pathetic in The Nightmare Game) and dealing with solitude. Then the story picks up when he is reunited with Destrii and they begin travelling together. It has a great Cybermen story.
INTO THE BOOKS
‘Season 01’ – Adventures with Sam
[ ] The Eight Doctors
[ ] Vampire Science
[ ] The Bodysnatchers
[ ] Genocide
[ ] War of the Daleks
[ ] Alien Bodies
The Eight Doctors is a terrible first book, just skip it and start with Vampire Science – which is much better. There is a certain character there who was supposed to be Grace but then they couldn’t use her because of copyright and I do think knowing that gives an interesting perspective to the book. Alien Bodies (great, too) starts a story arc about the War in Heaven. Or, simply put, a much more engaging time war done in the books years before the TV series ever thought about it.
‘Season 02’ – Continued adventures with Sam
[ ] Kursaal
[ ] Option Lock
[ ] Longest Day
[ ] Legacy of the Daleks
[ ] Dreamstone Moon
[ ] Seeing I
‘Season 03’ – Continued adventures with Sam
[ ] Placebo Effect
[ ] Vanderdeken’s Children
[ ] The Scarlet Empress
[ ] The Janus Conjuction
[ ] Beltempest
[ ] The Face-Eater
‘Season 04’ – Adventures with Sam and Fitz
[ ] The Taint
[ ] Demontage
[ ] Revolution Man
[ ] Dominion
[ ] Unnatural History
[ ] Autumn Mist
[ ] Interference – Book One: Shock Tactic
[ ] Interference – Book Two: The Hour of the Geek
‘Season 04’ – Adventures with Fitz and Compassion
[ ] The Blue Angel
[ ] The Taking of Planet 5
[ ] Frontier Worlds
[ ] Parallel 59
[ ] The Shadows of Avalon
[ ] The Fall of Yquatine
[ ] Coldheart
[ ] The Space Age
[ ] The Banquo Legacy
[ ] The Ancestor Cell
‘Season 05’ – Exiled on Earth
[ ] The Burning
[ ] Casualties of War
[ ] The Turing Test
[ ] Endgame
[ ] Father Time
[ ] Escape Velocity
Following the ending of The Ancestor Cell, there is this smaller story arc with the Doctor stuck on Earth for plot reasons I will not elaborate because I don’t want spoil it too much.
‘Season 06’ – Adventures with Fitz and Anji
[ ] EarthWorld
[ ] Fear Itself
[ ] Vanishing Point
[ ] Eater of Wasps
[ ] The Year of Intelligent Tigers
[ ] Dark Progeny
[ ]  The City of the Dead
[ ] Griim Reality
[ ] The Adventuress of Henrietta Street
‘Season 07’ – Continued adventures with Fitz and Anji
[ ] Mad Dogs and Englishmen
[ ] Hope
[ ] Anachrophobia
[ ] Trading Futures
[ ] The Book of the Still
[ ] The Crooked World
[ ] History 101
[ ] Camera Obscura
[ ] Time Zero
‘Season 08’ – Continued adventures with Fitz and Anji, joined by Trix
[ ] The Infinity Race
[ ] The Domino Effect
[ ] Reckless Engineering
[ ] The Last Resort
[ ] Timeless
[ ] Emotional Chemistry
[ ] Sometime Never…
‘Season 09’ – Adventures with Fitz and Trix
[ ] Halflife
[ ] The Tomorrow Windows
[ ] The Sleep of Reason
[ ] The Deadstone Memorial
[ ] To the Slaughter
[ ] The Gallifrey Chronicles
INTO THE AUDIOS – THE MAIN RANGE ERA
‘Season 01’ – Adventures with Charley
[ ] Storm Warning
[ ] The Sword of Orion
[ ] The Stones of Venice
[ ] Minuet in Hell
[ ] Solitaire
[ ] If I Should Die Before I Wake
The Eighth Doctor joined Big Finish a little bit after Doctors Five to Seven, but it was still quite early when their main releases were ‘just’ a monthly two-hour long story in the style of the classic series. We call this range of releases the Main Range. As the current Doctor at that point, having McGann back in the role was obviously a novelty and he was instantly joined by India Fisher as Charlotte Pollard, Edwardian adventurer.
Solitaire and If I Should Die Before I Wake are not main range releases but I do think they fit tonally well enough with theses stories and therefore I don’t think there is any problem listening to them here.
‘Season 02’ – Continued adventures with Charley
[ ] Invaders from Mars
[ ] The Chimes of Midnight
[ ] Seasons of Fear
[ ] Embrace the Darkness
[ ] The Time of the Daleks
[ ] Neverland
[ ] Zagreus
This finish the story arc of Charley’s life as was set up in Storm Warning. It all culminates in Zagreus, which is also a 40 years anniversary story of the series. Romana and Leela, former companions of the Fourth Doctor, reappear at the end of this arc and their interaction starts a spin-off just about them in Gallifrey – a series also called Gallifrey. I will not elaborate on it in this post, but let it be noted it happens.
‘Season 03’ – Adventures with Charley and C’rizz
[ ] Scherzo
[ ] The Creed of the Kromon
[ ] The Natural History of Fear
[ ] The Twilight Kingdom
[ ] Faith Stealer
[ ] The Last
[ ] Caerdroia
[ ] The Next Life
Also known as the Divergent Universe arc. It continues at the point Zagreus ended, with Doctor exploring a brand new universe – but there is something disturbingly wrong there. He and Charley are joined by a new companion from this universe, C’rizz.
‘Season 04’ – Adventures with Charley and C’rizz
[ ] Terror Firma
[ ] Scaredy Cat
[ ] Other Lives
[ ] Time Works
[ ] Something Inside
[ ] Memo Lane
[ ] Absolution
[ ] The Girl Who Never Was
The end of this era of Eighth Doctor audios. A goodbye to C’rizz, but a see you soon for Charley. There is a huge cliffhanger at The Girl Who Never Was that is continued on later releases – look at ‘beyond the Eighth Doctor’ if you wanna know about that, but ONLY if you are fine with being SPOILED. Again: THERE ARE SPOILERS THERE.
More from Charley and Eight
‘Season 01’ – The Further Adventures of Charlotte Pollard
[ ] The Mummy Speaks
[ ] Eclipse
[ ] The Slaying of the Writhing Mass
[ ] Heart of Orion
Specifically, this was one single released of four one-hour long stories that are set during the first story arc of Charley in the Main Range. So, certainly before Neverland but you could argue about the when specifically. I like to put it between Minuet in Hell and Invaders from Mars. But why didn’t I put it there, then? To be honest, it’s because I don’t think they fit tonally with the Main Range adventures and therefore it will break immersion if listened then. They are much, much closer to the new who style and just don’t capture the era, for me. So, listen to them as an extra to Charley story, when you miss her.
‘Season 02’ – Adventures with Charley and Audacity
[ ] The Devouring
[ ] The Great Cyber-War
[ ] Twenty-Four Doors in December
[ ] The Empty Man
[ ] Winter of the Demon
2023 saw the Doctor being joined by a new companion, lady Audacity. The first release, which included the first stories in this season, had a cliffhanger that placed them as the Doctor was still travelling with Charley, in their earlier days. So this is also a season that happens during the first story arc on the Main Range, but I wouldn’t place it there because not only it’s still happening, being published, but also because it’s better if you listen to it as its own thing already having the knowledge of how Charley’s story originally developed.
Beyond the Eighth Doctor
‘Season 01’ – Adventures with Charley
[ ] The Condemned
[ ] The Doomwood Curse
[ ] Brotherhood of the Daleks
[ ] Return of the Krotons
[ ] The Raincloud Man
[ ] Patient Zero
[ ] Paper Cuts
[ ] Blue Forgotten Planet
I already WARNED you of the SPOILERS. So, at the end of The Girl Who Never Was, the Eighth Doctor and Charley are separated. He thinks she chose of leave him, and she thinks that he is dead. She is isolated in a terrible situation and sends a distress signal, hoping that someone will rescue her. A TARDIS arrives and she thinks Eight is alive and came for her, but when she enters, she finds an unexpected face – the Sixth Doctor. And they would have a handful of adventures together, as listed here.
‘Season 02’
[ ] The Lamentation Cipher
[ ] The Shadow at the Edge of the World
[ ] The Fall of the House of Pollard
[ ] The Viryan Solution
But Charley story doesn’t end with Six. They do eventually part ways, as told in Blue Forgotten Planet, but Charley got her own spin-off that continues from there. There have been two seasons since then, but the story is unfinished: there is a third series that should be released at some point to wrap the story but we haven’t gotten any news from it for a long, long time.
‘Season 03’
[ ] Embankment Station
[ ] Ruffling
[ ] Seed of Chaos
[ ] The Destructive Quality of Life
THE CLASSICALS
‘Season 00’ – Adventures with Mary Shelley
[ ] The Company of Friends
[ ] The Silver Turk
[ ] The Witch from the Well
[ ] Army of Death
The Company of Friends is a ‘special’ Main Range release as it’s the only audio story that features the Eighth Doctor exclusive companions from other medias. It’s four half-a-hour story: the first with Benny, former companion of the Seventh Doctor. The second have Fitz and the third have Izzy. And then there is the fourth one, that shows the Eight Doctor meeting Mary Shelley. She wasn’t a companion, but would soon become one as a trilogy featuring their travels together would be released in the Main Range.
These stories happened before Eight meets Charley and honestly could be listened at any point, but I put them here, after Charley, because I do think it’s a better experience to enjoy the Eighth Doctor main range era in the order the stories were published.
INTO THE AUDIOS – THE LUCIE MILLER ERA
Beginning 2006, it all changed for Eight. His stories were probably the most popular of the Main Range – much because of the novelty of exploring the Doctor that never had anything on TV – and so he got his own range. The Main Range was now only for Doctors Five, Six and Seven, and ‘The Eighth Doctor Adventures’ began. But it was also 2006, Doctor Who was back on TV. And much because of that, this era is structured more alike to a new who season than classic.
You can jump into this era without any prior knowledge of the Eighth Doctor if you want to.
‘Season 01’ – Adventures with Lucie
[ ] Blood of the Daleks [two-parter]
[ ] Horror of Fang Rock
[ ] Immortal Beloved
[ ] Phobos
[ ] No More Lies
[ ] Human Resources [two-parter]
Notably, Horror of Glam Rock starts a ongoing arc through the seasons about Lucie’s aunt Pat.
'Extras Season’ – Continued adventures with Lucie
[ ] The Dalek Trap
[ ] The Revolution Game
[ ] The House on the Edge of Chaos
[ ] Island of the Fendahl
This was actually a release called The Further Adventures of Lucie Miller, four one-hour stories that makes a small season. It fits the tone of the era very well and it happens relatively early in her timeline, so if you want to listen to it between seasons 1 and 2, you can. The finally feature the Fendahl, a villain from Classic Who, so it’s a good idea to check out Image of the Fendahl from the Fourth Doctor era if you want more context.
‘Season 02’ – Continued adventures with Lucie
[ ] Dead London
[ ] Max Warp
[ ] Brave New Town
[ ] The Skull of Sobek
[ ] Grand Theft Cosmos
[ ] The Zygon Who Fell to Earth
[ ] Sisters of the Flame/The Vengeance of Morbius
The Zygon Who Fell to Earth is part of the aunt Pat story arc. The finale features Morbius, a villain from Classic Who, and it’s a good idea to check the Fourth Doctor story The Brain of Morbius if you want more context.
‘Season 03’ – Continued adventures with Lucie
[ ] Orbis
[ ] Hothouse
[ ] The Beast of Orlok
[ ] Wirnn Dawn
[ ] The Scapegoat
[ ] The Cannibalists
[ ] The Eight Truths/Worldwide Web
There are plenty of villains from Classic Who this season. You don’t need to watch any of their original stories to understand theses audios, and this is valid for the previous seasons too, but as I said if you want more context… You can watch The Seeds of Doom, The Ark in Space and Planet of Spiders.
‘Season 04’ – Adventures with Lucie and Tamsin
[ ] Death in Blackpool
[ ] An Earthly Child
[ ] Situation Vacant
[ ] Nervermore
[ ] The Book of Kelis
[ ] Deimos/The Resurrection of Mars
[ ] Relative Dimensions
[ ] Prisoner of the Sun
[ ] Lucie Miller/To the Death
Lucie’s era ends with a bang. Death in Blackpool is a Christmas special that wraps up the aunt Pat storyline. In An Earthly Child, the Doctor is reunited with someone from his past. Then, the rest of the season deals with Lucie and Eight’s friendship and how they are dealing with everything that happening recently, while also introducing new companion Tamsin Drew.
INTO THE AUDIOS – THE BOXSETS ERA
With the end of Lucie’s era, the publishing format shifted again. Now, the stories were released four at a time, as a boxset. These stories also build up bigger arcs, in sixteen parts, and therefore should be listened sequentially: Dark Eyes, Doom Coalition, Ravenous and Stranded. You can jump into the Eighth Doctor audios with Dark Eyes, but it’s better appreciated after listening to Lucie’s era.
‘Dark Eyes’ – Adventures with Molly and Liv
[ ] The Great War
[ ] Fugitives
[ ] Tangled Web
[ ] X and the Daleks
[ ] The Traitor
[ ] The White Room
[ ] Time’s Horizon
[ ] Eyes of the Master
[ ] The Death of Hope
[ ] The Reviled
[ ] Masterplan
[ ] Rule of the Eminence
[ ] A Life in the Day
[ ] The Monster of Montmartre
[ ] Master of the Daleks/Eye of Darkness
Liv Chenka is a character introduced in Robophobia, a Seventh Doctor story that you can listen to if you want more from her, but isn’t necessarily needed here. It’s good, though. She didn’t become a companion until reuniting with the Doctor, this time Eight, here in Dark Eyes. This season explores a temporal conflict between the Daleks, some Time Lords and an enemy from the future, the Eminence. It’s not part of the Time War, tho.
‘Doom Coalition’ – Adventures with Liv and Helen
[ ] The Eleven
[ ] The Red Lady
[ ] The Galileo Trap
[ ] The Satanic Mill
[ ] Beachhead
[ ] Scenes from her Life
[ ] The Gift
[ ] The Sonomancer
[ ] Absent Friends
[ ] The Eighth Piece/The Doomsday Chronometer
[ ] The Crucible of Souls
[ ] Ship in a Bottle
[ ] Songs of Love
[ ] The Side of Angels
[ ] Stop the Clock
Molly’s story wraps up during Dark Eyes, but Liv goes on a companion. She is then joined by Helen, introduced here in The Red Lady. This season is full of time lord political conflicts and if you have watched New Who you’ll notice River Song is a recurring character.
‘Ravenous’ – Continued adventures with Liv and Helen
[ ] Their Finest Hour
[ ] How to Make a Killing in Time Travel
[ ] World of Damnation/Sweet Salvation
[ ] Escape from Kaldor
[ ] Better Watch Out/The Fairytale of Salzburg
[ ] Seizure
[ ] Deeptime Frontier
[ ] Companion Piece
[ ] L.E.G.E.N.D.
[ ] The Odds Against
[ ] Whisper
[ ] Planet of Dust
[ ] Day of the Master
This season deals with a terrible fairy tale from the Time Lord’s past that seems to be real. Liv reunites with her sister Tula in Escape from Kaldor, and then spends one year with her before the Doctor and Helen pick her back. This is que start point to a spin-off, The Robots, which explores focusing on her and Tula during that one year. I will elaborate on it later on.
‘Stranded’ – Continued adventures with Liv and Helen, joined by Tania and Andy
[ ] Lost Property
[ ] Wild Animals
[ ] Must-See TV
[ ] Divine Intervation
[ ] Dead Time
[ ] UNIT Dating
[ ] Baker Street Irregulars
[ ] The Long Way Round
[ ] Patience
[ ] Twisted Folklore
[ ] Snow
[ ] What Just Happened
[ ] Crossed Lines
[ ] Get Andy
[ ] The Keys of Baker Street
[ ] Best Year Ever
Stranded picks up where Ravenous ended: the TARDIS have been damaged and now the Doctor, Liv and Helen are stuck for one year on Earth while it heals. And so, they start their lives in a house the Doctor used to own in Baker Street, but are met by unexpected neighbors. This season starts very slice-of-live/sitcom-like, kinda, but then evolves in a temporal conflict.
‘Season 05’ – Continued adventures with Liv and Helen
[ ] Paradox of the Daleks
[ ] The Dalby Spook
[ ] Here Lies Drax
[ ] The Love Vampires
[ ] Albie’s Angels
[ ] Birdsong
[ ] Lost Hearts
[ ] Slow Beasts
It’s the current era. Big Finish is still releasing Liv and Helen stories, but they are not the only ongoing story arc for Eight (see: Audacity; and the Time War). However, things changed a bit. They are still released in boxsets – with three one-hour stories rather than four -, but there is no sixteen-parts epic anymore. They are just standalone stories that starts where Stranded ends.
Spin-off – The Robots
[ ] The Robots of Life
[ ] The Sentient
[ ] Love Me Not
[ ] The Robots of War
[ ] Toos and Paul
[ ] Do No Harm
[ ] The Mystery of Sector 13
[ ] Circuit Breaker
[ ] A Matter of Conscience
[ ] Closed Loop
[ ] Off Grid
[ ] The Janus Deception
[ ] The Enhancement
[ ] Machines Like Us
[ ] Kaldor Nights
[ ] Force of Nature
[ ] Face to Face
[ ] The Final Hour
As I said in the Ravenous section, there is a spin-off about Liv reuniting with her sister Tula that is set during Escape form Kaldor. They are both from Kaldor, a planet from the Classic series, and to better appreciate what this spin-off is doing I recommend watching the Fourth Doctor story The Robots of Death. And, why not, listen to Robophobia, which itself is a sequel to The Robots of Death.
INTO THE AUDIOS – THE TIME WAR
And of course, we have stories with Eight set during the Time War. We can divide it into eras: the first four boxsets, when he is travelling with the new companion Bliss; and the current releases, with him travelling with Alex – listen to Lucie Miller season 4 for more context – and Cass. Yes, Cass from the Night of the Doctor. How that’s possible given the circumstances of that story have not yet been fully explained, but of course it’s safe to assume it’s the War’s fault.
‘Season 01’ – Adventures with Bliss
[ ] The Starship of Theseus
[ ] Echoes of War
[ ] The Conscript
[ ] One Life
[ ] The Lords of Terror
[ ]  Planet of the Ogrons
[ ] In the Garden of Death
[ ] Jonah
‘Season 02’ – Continued adventures with Bliss
[ ] State of Bliss
[ ] The Famished Lands
[ ] Fugitive in Time
[ ] The War Valeyard
[ ] Palindrome
[ ] Dreadshade
[ ] Restoration of the Daleks [two-parter]
The Valeyard is a villain from Classic Who. You’ll get more out of The War Valeyard with more context – so watch season 23, Trial of a Time Lord, or simply know that he is a “version” of the Doctor from the future that encapsulates everything bad and evil that exists in the Doctor.
‘Season 02’ – Adventures with Alex and Cass
[ ] Meanwhile, Elsewhere
[ ] Verpertine
[ ] Previously, Next Time [two-parter]
[ ] Nowhere, Never
[ ] The Road Untravelled
[ ] Cass-cade
[ ] Borrow or Rob
OTHERS
The stories ‘Day of the Vashta Nerada’, ‘The Sontaran Ordeal’ and ‘The Silent Priest’, all of them featuring monsters from New Who, are set during the Time War. However, the Doctor is travelling alone and they are all standalone stories.
There are plenty of ‘short trips’, short stories set in the Doctor Who universe, featuring the Eight Doctor. Both in prose and in audio. I did not include them in this guide, and they are not really essential, but they can be good. So, listen or read them if you ever miss a companion or the Eighth Doctor.
ABOUT THIS GUIDE
I will be updating the guide as new stories are released. I will also do one for each classic Doctor, at least, at some point.
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quizmasterfred ¡ 10 months ago
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13 in 'The God Complex'
I saw a Reddit post a while ago asking 'what episode would you like to see a different Doctor tackle', and now it's been ages but i had some thoughts, and can't stop thinking about it, and just desperately need to write them down somewhere so here if you're seeing this: sorry, you've got to deal with my ramblings now.
This could replace ‘Legend of the Sea Devils’ wholesale. It was most people's least favourite centenary special, so hopefully we’re not losing much. OR, if you want to wrangle 4 specials in that year, it comes between ‘Eve of the Daleks’ and LotSD, which I’ll elaborate on later.
Arrival:
13 genuinely intends to follow through with “that moment on the beach where you tell me everything”, directly says as much at the end of EotD. Instead of fobbing it off with “whatever happened to the lost treasure of the Flor de la Mar”, they ARE going to San Munrohvar, which Yaz is ecstatic about.
In the OG God Complex (quick reminder: 11/Amy/Rory originally), it’s Amy’s faith in the Doctor which brings them there, and it’s the same now. Except it’s not just the generic faith of a particularly attached companion, it’s the exact specific moment of Yaz knowing she’s about to get that conversation.
Her faith is both restored, and about to be rewarded. After years of asking, and wondering, and being fobbed off, finally the Doctor is opening up. And right after Yaz’s coming out to Dan? Wow - what if!
They aren’t there because Yaz “has faith in the Doctor”, they’re there now because in the exact moment the TARDIS launched, that faith was higher and more intense that it has ever been.
Dan:
Common complaint is that Dan’s a bit of a blank slate – Diane, Liverpool, nice bloke. Fun moments, but not enough time to really develop as a character. I’m not going to make a spectacular reveal here and give him an amazing arc, but at the very least we have a chance to make that blank-slatedness really work. He takes on Rory’s role in the story:
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13’s Room:
We never see 11’s room, only hear the TARDIS’ cloister bell as he looks in. The implication, of course, is that he’s afraid of dying – permanently. Trenzalore, no more regenerations. Very nice and subtle for 11’s arc/personality – the old man disguising himself as a 20-something.
13 has a very different problem: she’s the Timeless Child, she’s been alive for potentially a billion years before her memories begin, and she’s still regenerating. 11 is afraid of regenerations running out; 13 is afraid they’ll never run out.
It’s harder to convey my idea here with just a noise, not showing the inside of the room itself, so I will describe what I imagine the room to look like, but if there’s a way to do this without showing the viewer, that’d obviously be great.
Her room is a field of graves: “Susan Foreman”, “Sarah-Jane Smith”, “Alastair Lethbridge-Stewart”, “Donna Noble”, “Amy + Rory Williams” (an exact copy of the grave from ‘The Angels take Manhattan’), “Clara Oswald”, River('s Screwdriver/Neural Relay sitting on a Library server?), “Bill Potts”, “Yasmin Khan”, even one written in Gallifreyan (could be inferred to be the Master, but not directly stated). Only a brief look, but enough for someone to pause it and read a bunch of companions’ names.
Many are faded, symbolising a fear that one day she’ll be so old with so many lost loved ones, there simply won’t be room for all of them, and she’ll starting to forget their names and faces. Thousands more we can’t read, the people she’s yet to meet across all her future lives, and they will age and die all the same. In the centre, she’s still there. Alive, young, never dying. Maybe it’s not even Jodie standing there – maybe it’s Ncuti Gatwa, or some completely other actor: ‘generic future self’.
This is the moment of tragedy for her. After her own chat with Dan, the fireworks, seeing Sarah + Nick happy, she had decided to give it a try with Yaz. But seeing this room is what changes that. This is the moment she says to herself:
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In OG, this happens immediately after 11 effectively invites Rita to join the crew, but maybe we can swap these around. So 13 sees this, completely psyches herself out of pursuing a relationship with Yaz, knows in her heart that her biggest fear is losing more and more and more people, but seeing Rita being a little bit brilliant again makes 13 invite her along anyway. She can’t help it – a clever little human working their way in, no matter what. Bittersweet.
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Speaking of:
Rita:
Another young Muslim woman who’s a little bit brilliant and a little bit too brave? In all of time and space, it’s a bit weird for a bottle episode to have someone who, on the face of it, is basically a carbon copy of our main companion, right? We’ll see.
13 gets along with Rita just as 11 did. Maybe Dan is the butt of the ‘with regret, you’re fired’ joke. Maybe in a moment alone, Dan can crack a line to Rita that ‘she’s got a thing for clever Muslim gals’. But of course, most importantly, Rita and Yaz have a bit of bonding over their shared faith. Rita mentions ‘Jahannam’ in the OG, and we can use that to get some insight to Yaz’s faith. We know she’s practicing-enough to visit a Mosque (mentioned in Rosa), but really we get very little exploration of what Islam truly means to her throughout Chibnall’s run. Give Yaz something personal that isn’t tied to the Doctor, y’know.
Then, the phone call when Rita is about to die. Like 11, 13 tries to talk her into coming back: maybe she can save her, she really wants to save her. She can’t convince Rita, but Yaz takes the phone off of her. Two young women of the same religion have a heart-to-heart about faith and rapture and Jahannam. They both start off thinking Yaz was brought here for the same reason Rita was (and the viewer does too) – stealing their religion from them.
BUT, Rita gradually realises that isn’t true for Yaz. She realises that Yaz’s faith in the Doctor is stronger: “if you come back, the Doctor can save [you/us]”. That brief, shining moment of beauty that Yaz felt when the Doctor confirmed she would follow through on ‘tell[ing] you everything’ was so powerful, it eclipsed her religious faith. Not forever, she hasn’t become an atheist, but the novelty, the cocktail of love, and rewarded patience, and anticipation, and trust – for a tiny moment, it out-shone her other faith, and that’s why the TARDIS was pulled in by the eponymous God Complex.
Maybe Rita says it explicitly, or maybe she doesn’t. Either way, Yaz also realises what Rita has seen, but the Doctor isn’t privy to Rita’s side of the conversation (because… phone). They hang up, turn off the cameras, and Rita dies. If Yaz hadn’t let the Doctor take over her life and heart, could she have saved Rita? Did someone die because she failed as a Muslim? (Obviously the answer is no – that’s not how faith/religion works, and Rita was dead anyway because that is how the minotaur works, but the point is Yaz has a total crisis here)
As with the OG, the very next scene is the Doctor’s ‘I figured it out’ moment.
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Yaz is hit with a whole fresh wave of guilt. The whole reason they’re here, the thing that killed Rita – and the Doctor agrees with that assessment (the Doctor couldn’t hear Rita, so this obviously isn’t actually the Doctor saying ‘you’re right, you got her killed’ – the Doctor would never think or say something like that – but that’s what it feels like to Yaz).
Yaz’s Room:
Now this is what’s really beautiful about the change from 11 to 13. Amy and Yaz’s rooms are the same thing. Amy’s is a little girl waiting by a window for her Raggedy Man to come back; abandoned. Yaz’s is a young woman in a basic white TARDIS console room, surrounded by sticky notes and sheets of paper, after hundreds of failed attempts to make it fly, waiting for the Doctor to come back from Gallifrey; abandoned.
[Quick side-note: the moment between Amy and Gibbis where she says ‘I thought that room was for me’ about the Weeping Angels still works for Yaz. In her only meeting with the Angels, what was the result? They took the Doctor away from her for 3 years]
11’s speech to Amy, tearing down the image of him in her head – saving her life by pretending he can’t – absolutely stunning. But 13 has even more to work with here: Amy/Rory, Clara (died because she became too much like the Doctor – hello Yaz), River. The added tragedy of breaking not just a friend, but someone who is actively in love with her and who she shares those feelings for, and the only way to save Yaz’s life is to shatter those feelings.
AND: Bill. "Remember that man who tried to kill you, Graham, and Ryan in a plane crash the instant he met you? The man who tried to kill us all on Gallifrey, and is ultimately the reason I left you, vanishing for 10 months? The man you’re most afraid of, of every villain we’ve met together? I TRIED TO HELP HIM. I put his redemption above Bill and Nardole’s safety because ‘[he’s] the only one person that I’ve ever met who’s even remotely like me’ (direct quote, btw(!) – ‘World Enough and Time’), and it got her mercilessly killed and converted. That’s the sort of person I am, and now I’m about to get you killed too."
Falling Action:
Because Yaz is a little bit brilliant, and coming into her own as “becoming like the Doctor”, like Clara did, she later works out that the speech in her room was ‘the plan all along^TM’ to get rid of the minotaur, and starts to patch herself up by telling herself that the Doctor didn’t really mean not to trust her. So Yaz presses, once again, asking for the Doctor to tell her something about herself.
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The Doctor, of course, actually was being genuine, because her own room – the field of graves – scared her that much. 11 rebuffs Amy’s question, continuing with his exposition about the prison. 13 does the same to Yaz. The episode started with Yaz being elated that the Doctor would finally open up, and ends with 13 reverting back to closed-off, and refusing to answer a personal question. Because 13 saw what was in her room, and decided, against everything they both wanted 45 minutes ago, that she can’t fix herself.  So back in the box it goes.
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From 11’s perspective, this could be perceived as bittersweet. He’s still afraid of death, but at least there’s someone here and now commiserating with him. Maybe it would be a gift, and maybe he can accept it in time, and go to Trenzalore in peace. But for 13, it’s just bitter. 'Yes, it would be a gift – if only I could ever have it. But at least I can grant it to you.'
We can either do the beach scene now, ‘can’t fix myself’…
(and then in my ideal world, alter Power of the Doctor to give us a slightly happier end / opening up / explaining 13's hotel room / Thasmin kiss, because god knows us gays need someone to throw us a bone – but that’s not important right now, not relevant to 13!GodComplex)
Or this is where the Doctor goes ‘let’s fuck about looking for the Flor de la Mar’, cue LotSD. Again we see the contrast between her genuine intent to be honest with Yaz 45 minutes ago vs fobbing it off now. Yaz’s heart is broken for real, just after she managed to convince herself that the Doctor’s speech in the hotel room was all a trick.
I can't stop thinking about it, because Doctor Who has consumed my every waking moment for the last 2 months...
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notvictorhugo ¡ 11 months ago
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So I've been thinking a bit more about The Giggle and I'm convinced it's not only great, but also the best way to end 13's era. It's a bit long, so I'm putting it under the "read more" bit
So, the main emotional conflict during 13's era was just that she was physically unable to stop. Everything went horrible all the time, she was constantly on the run, she never confided on her companions (who somehow still stuck around despite this), she did everything on her own (even when the fam saved the day, it was because of a hologram of her or something)... By the end of her run I was just exhausted for her and praying for her to please just stop and talk instead of just flying off on her TARDIS once more to the next thing. I physically cringed every time she didn't talk to someone about what had been going on with her life.
Even her ending involved dropping Yaz, staying alone, because she just couldn't settle.
It's entirely understandable if that affected her regeneration. There's this fairly well accepted theory that each new incarnation is decided by what the Doctor wanted before their death (like, being "more hip" for Rose, which brought 10, or "not leaving yet" bringing 11, a young doctor which, on the surface, is very similar to him). What did 13 need more than anything? Stopping, pausing, healing. Talking.
How long had it been since that happened?
To me, it feels like it hadn't really happened since 10. 10 had Rose and Martha, who both knew about the time war, and how broken he was after that. He talked to Martha about Gallifrey and its grass and all that, Rose faced the Daleks. And Donna? Donna knew about that, as well as about Rose, Martha. Together they had fun, but, in the end, she became half-time lord. No wonder she felt like home.
I'm not sure any incarnation after that had something similar, really.
And so, what was the only option left? It clearly wasn't regenerating to a new face, starting from scratch somewhere new, with someone new. What would he do? Introduce themself again to somebody, begin anew, running on and on to new, traumatizing adventures? Because that was 14's first impulse. He wanted to drop Donna and keep going, keep going, keep going. She had to tell him to please just settle often, and he kept saying "No, I wouldn't know what to do".
And so, to me, it seems that this arc was the perfect way to cap off 13's run. The Doctor now has an old face, one known by others, one that others found nice, one that was healed after trauma. He also has no excuse now to stop, for, after the bigeneration, he can go on, now unburdened, while his other self heals, and stops, which is the thing 13 needed the most.
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a-wartime-paradox ¡ 1 year ago
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The BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures "War in Heaven" arc, as it may have originally been
The BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures, at their start, didn't have any arc set-in-stone, and so author Lawrence Miles wrote the masterpiece Alien Bodies, kick-starting the "War in Heaven" arc. However, on 3 July 2000, The Ancestor Cell was published, putting an end to the War in Heaven arc, at least within the EDA range.
Before this novel was published, Lawrence Miles had other ideas for the War in Heaven, and I for this post have attempted to reconstruct a rough timeline for what could have been, from the available evidence. Bear in mind that I have taken some creative liberties and speculation. As there will be quite a few different stories in different ranges, some released and some unproduced, I've decided to code them for convenience: first off, assume everything is a published EDA unless told otherwise - then, green is for a part of the "Bernice Summerfield" New Adventures, blue is for Past Doctor Adventures, orange is for anything else, and bold is for unproduced (these can be combined).
Prelude
Down (September 1997)*: the Gods are introduced, setting up a War seemingly separate to the War in Heaven. This most likelywasn't originally intended to tie-in to the EDAs, or be part of the War in He and, but was brought in by Dead Romance.
Alien Bodies (November 1997): Faction Paradox, the Enemy, the Celestis, and the state of Gallifrey and it's cloneworlds during the War in Heaven is introduced and established as being in the Eighth Doctor's future.
Unnatural History (June 1999): small skirmish with Faction Paradox. It is altogether unclear whether they come from the War or from the Eighth Doctor's time
Act 1
Dead Romance (1 March 1999): the universe of the VNAs, that of Chris Cwej, is implied to be in a bottle in the EDA universe, as itself contains a bottle. Later stories would draw continuity with the VNAs, and The Ancestor Cell (not counted in this list) saw the merger of the bottle into the main universe. This is also implied to be the case by the fact that Cousin Eliza - Christine Summerfield - appears to be in the prime universe by The Faction Paradox Protocols. Personally, I reconcile these by concluding that only the later VNAs starring Bernice Summerfield, which lacked the BBC Doctor Who license, are part of this "bottle", and that Christine used the Gods of that universe to climb out of it, as she implies at the end of the novel.
Interference: What Happened On Earth (August 1999, part of "Interference"): a major interaction with the War; the Doctor prevents the destruction of Earth by wartime powers, thus marking his first major intervention in the War, as Earth is a cradle point of casualty. The War also infects the Doctor's timestream back to his third incarnation, in Interference: What Happened On Dust.
Toy Story (1999/2004)*2: Lolita talks to the TARDIS.
Interference: Foreman's World (August 1999, part of "Interference"): I.M. Foreman reveals the bottle universe, says the people within created their own bottle universe, and it is lost. This effectively confirms the implementation in Dead Romance. Interestingly, as far as I know, most people read Interference first, completely missing the fact that the ending of it is meant to confirm Dead Romance, not foreshadow it. At least, I completely missed that.
Beneath the Planet of the Spiders (after "Interference"): The Fourth Doctor combats the Eight Legs in place of the Third Doctor, and presumably the effects of Interference are further explored.
Valentine's Day (after "Interference"): the Doctor exiles himself for fear of regenerating into something worse than Faction Paradox could imagine. With his absence, the Daleks rise to power. The Doctor then trains a replacement, with the combined help of the Time Lords and Faction Paradox. Ideas of a replacement were adapted by Miles into The Adventuress of Henrietta Street, where the replacement is Sabbath Dei.
The Taking of Planet 5 (October 1999): Mictlan, realm of the Celestis, is destroyed, and the Doctor aids in saving the rest of the universe.
The Shadows of Avalon (2000): The specifics of Compassion's transformation into a TARDIS, and potentially the transformation in totality, were probably not part of Miles's original plan. However, he notably didn't contradict it in The Book of the War, so this will still be included.
Act 2
From here on out, there aren't any actual plans for Eighth Doctor novels, although that is likely just due to the small gap between Interference and The Ancestor Cell. Nevertheless, this has the interesting diegetic effect of making it seem that the War has started to escape the Eighth Doctor, and is widening it's girth.
First I shall list the unproduced novels that would fit into here, and then offer my diegetic summary:
The War (after 12 March 1999): Pertaining to an unknown range, perhaps the Past Doctor Adventures (as it also included the non-past Infinity Doctors and would have included the future Requiem), this would have featured Joanna Lumley's Thirteenth Doctor being in a concentration camp with other "strays from other realities", all taken from BBC sitcoms which the BBC still had rights to. @verityshush commissioned Wenart Gunardi to make a cover for this, in the style of the Virgin New Adventures (the anachronism fits)
Requiem (after 1998's "Interference"): There is a "huge, bone-like thing" in the sky over a war-paranoid Gallifrey. Miles contested that "The Ancestor Cell" copied the idea of this, but the thing in the huge black bone structure in Requiem reportedly was totally different to in "The Ancestor Cell".). There would have been 5 sequels to Requiem, all following this "future incarnation of the Doctor". Presumably these would have crossed over with the BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures at at least one point, if not more.
Below is my deigetic imaging of what could have been.
The War in Heaven expands beyond the Eighth Doctor's timestream, and begins infecting both alternative timelines (The War) and future incarnations (Requiem). The future incarnations may be an "infection" of the developing War, as the Doctor "originally died on Dronid", but as it's heavily implied that's not quite what happened, he could have easily experienced Requiem first and then gone back to the beginning of the War (which should be impossible, but just look at how many times the Eighth Doctor interacted with the future War) to be found on Drornid.
Despite expanding beyond the Eighth Doctor, it still chases him, or to be more specific, the War Queen Romana chases him, Fitz, and their timeship Compassion. Eventually, in unknown book (unknown because future novels with the War Queen Romana never even got to the pitching state, but feel like they should have existed), the Doctor would regain his TARDIS, and in my ideal world it would have regenerated (not because I don't like the Victorian parlour, quite the contrary, I the arc would be more impactful if it had a permanent effect). I think that after he gets his TARDIS back, the Eighth Doctor should just keep on as normal, not really seeing the War all that much, perhaps even his TARDIS has engineered itself to not ever collide with it again - without the Doctor's knowledge? - but there's no "cataclysmic", The Ancestor Cell -like removal of the War.
Compassion, now a timeship separate from the Doctor, Fitz, and the Doctor's TARDIS, would leave the "TARDIS team" and eventually get the companion "Carmen Yeh"*3
Finally, an unnecessary but nice note on how Compassion become the mother of timeships:
The Book of the War, specifically the entry on "Carmen Yeh", features Compassion confronting the War King, and entering into diplomatic relations with him. This is likely the intended point by Miles of when Compassion would have aided in the reproduction of the 103-forms, as opposed to The Shadows of Avalon's version (rape).
*I have not actually read this book, my info for it derives solely from Nate Bumber's blogspot about the Bernice Summerfield War
*2 This was first published in the charity anthology Perfect Timing 2, and then later reprinted in Mad Norwegian Press's edition of Dead Romance
*3 In the Perfect Timing short story "SchrĂśdinger's Botanist", Carmen Yeh would meet Compassion and join her.
Tagging (with permission): @doctornolonger
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oreo102 ¡ 7 months ago
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I am vocally very very supportive of 13’s era and vocally don’t understand the writing complaints
However. I do have my complaints with the writing, so I’m gonna talk about what I don’t like of the writing
A) consistency
The consistency of the writing is… off? They flip flop on how much 13 dislikes guns quote a bit in s11 (hating them in ep2 and 4, fine with the shot gun in 6, refuses to talk to the woman in 10 until she puts the gun down but will talk to the brother in 6 with one in her face etc) and I feel like they forget about the points system a bit (mentioned in 3 and I think 8 but j don’t remember it being mentioned again until s12 with Ruth/fugitive doctor, but I could just be forgetting), and this one is more nitpicky than consistency but I feel like they should’ve kept with Swiss army sonic for at least one more episode, if only with Ryan and Graham
Another nitpicky point but speaking of the fugitive doctor I wish they would’ve done more with her, even just as a mention which I’m including as consistency cuz she really just disappeared after that episode
B) character arcs
Yaz is basically the second main character imo, and she doesn’t really get a character arc? She definitely grows as a character, adopting bits of the doctor’s personality, taking charge when separated from the doctor, etc, but to my knowledge she doesn’t get an arc? Or maybe I missed it? She definitely gets the most screen time/character of the fam + Dan but I think even background characters got better than her sometimes (the first that comes to mind is Bella from s12 ep3), I could be wrong on this of course, I don’t like- analyze media and I totally might’ve missed shit but moving on
Dan also wasn’t dealt with the best. I mean- I really didn’t like him the first time I watched s13 and while now I think he’s fine I’m not sure I’ll ever truly like him like I do with most/all other characters? I feel like he’s under utilized and doesn’t really fit into the story very well? I think it’s good when he’s comic relief or a supporting character for yaz but a lot of the time he’s just… boring/plain
Graham and Ryan I think served their purpose actually pretty well and Graham in particular had one of my favorite developments, like he started off as kinda a jerk but he grew to love everyone a lot and I like that they were able to explore his grief pretty well, although I hate the message of s11 ep10. I think in s12 he worked pretty well as a comedic character that had some deep moments
Ryan, out of the original fam is my least favorite but not because he’s bad, I just think the other 2 are better. I don’t think I have much to say about him, tbh? Like overall I think he was used really well and had some nice development (s11 ep9 with the blind kid, his relationship with Graham, his fear of the earth becoming orphan 55, him being the first to want to leave the tardis) and I don’t really have any notes- I with we’d have seen more of him and 13 but that’s a common theme of all the companions
C) resolution
I think resolution is a terribly boring episode, and I’m sure that’s not a super popular opinion but any time where 13 or yaz isn’t on screen it feels like it drags on, which of course, could just be my bias. But like- I don’t really care that Ryan’s dad is back so for half the scenes im just… bored. It could be a really interesting topic if they had incorporated him more, have Ryan get a letter or message from him one or two times, have Ryan be jealous of the relationship between a kid and their dad, smth like that
But as it is, I think the extra characters are boring and under used, Ryan’s dad has no emotions connected to him, and while the dalek is cool it could have been better used?
Also 13 and yaz should have been allowed to hug and hold hands more, like let them be affectionate damn
None of this is especially bad, though. Other than resolution, which is easy enough to just- not rewatch, it doesn’t retract from my enjoyment of the show, in any way
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glorbysblog ¡ 4 months ago
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since I just started this blog mid-marathon of The 3rd Doctor, I thought I should catch up on the previous two for posterity so here are my five favorite 1st Doctor stories (2nd Doctor top five in a later post):
My Top 5 Favorite 1st Doctor Stories
1. The Daleks’ Master Plan - This is a missing story for which there is only a reconstruction available for at this time. Despite not having the benefit of having moving pictures, this is by far the best Dalek story of the era and is extremely effective at making the situation before The Doctor as seeming hopeless. Without spoiling the ending, the final episode is where I truly began to see the person The Doctor would soon become and the impossible situations they have to shrug off and saunter elsewhere.
2. The Tenth Planet - This one is missing the final episode which is unfortunately the final episode William Hartnell acted in, but in many versions, a surviving reconstruction or animated version of the regeneration is put in. This episode really does feel serious and climactic especially with the legacy attached to it for introducing The Doctor’s second most formidable enemy and introducing regeneration.
3. The War Machines - As far as companions go, The 1st Doctor has a bit of a rocky relationship with most of them except for Vicki, but when Ben & Polly are introduced, they are thrown against a Doctor who has been through a very complete character arc where most of their hostility is replaced with righteousness and the hope to do good wherever they land. This story very effectively sets up this new pair in contrast to The Doctor for being the most modern set of companions up to that point.
4. Planet of The Giants - This is Doctor Who’s first attempt at a pure comedy episode and due to the performances, the cozy family vibe that the original set of companions have, as well as the funny concept, this story ends up being one of the most fun of the whole black-and-white era.
5. The Time Meddlers - I had to include at least one Vicki story since she is my favorite companion of this era, and this is a good one since it not only shows off the first adventure with new companion Steven, but also introduced another Time Lord (though they don’t have that name yet) and another TARDIS.
Okay, this was a bit different from my first jokey post, but in order to look to the future, you must look back. I will post a similar ranking of my top five for The 2nd Doctor … when I figure out what my top five for them might be.
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littleironi ¡ 2 years ago
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Becoming the Impossible Girl
In the beginning, we were introduced to Clara's echoes before we ever see the real Clara.
The brilliant Oswin Oswald: the last survivor of Starship Alaska, junior entertainment officer, "total screaming genius" and a confident flirt. It turns out she had been a Dalek all along. She survives by dreaming up a better life for herself. And from that dream, she interacts with the world. She spends a year hacking the most advanced warrior race in the universe from, not only inside the Dalek asylum, but from inside a Dalek. An invitation to the TARDIS later, her dreams meet reality in a shattering moment of realization. Faced with the truth of her existence, she turns the force field off and tells the Doctor to run, saving him as she stays behind to die.
And then along comes the fascinating Clara Oswin Oswald, part time barmaid, part time nanny. She tells the most fantastical tales and claims they are all true. She knows the exact right word to snap the Doctor out of his grief induced isolation. And the right words to convince "a Lizard Woman from the Dawn of Time" and her wife. At ease in the world of strange people and unbelievable creatures, she seems to walk the line between the two. Her charming personality and quick wits juxtaposed against the mystery of a face and parts of a name, we've already seen before. A mystery we are aware of but the Doctor has not yet realised exists.
Both Oswin and Clara Oswin Oswald are intriguing on their own but together they are the Woman Twice Dead and seem pretty impossible. And so the moniker is born. And the Doctor decides to solve the mystery of the Impossible Girl. And then he meets the actual woman behind the monikers.
The Doctor's preoccupation with this mystery casts a shadow over an otherwise easy friendship. The Doctor maintains his distance from the world by looking at his companion like a puzzle to solve rather than a person. Throughout the arc, he is told again and again by Clara, by evidence and by others, that Clara is just Clara, "a perfectly ordinary girl". His obsession persists until he confronts Clara about the mystery and she tells him that he is scaring her. But a reset button later that interaction is forgotten. Finally,  it is Clara who solves the mystery. Clara is just Clara, just an ordinary woman, but that doesn't mean she can't do extraordinary things.
Clara, in every iteration, as every echo of herself, is a storyteller. So that's what she does, writes herself into the Doctor's story. So when the Doctor asks when she started "believing in impossible heroes", her implied answer might be the Doctor, but perhaps, the reverse is true too. Because when Clara wrote herself into the Doctor's story, she became the impossible girl and the Doctor's hero in turn.
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thepyramidsofmars ¡ 2 months ago
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Some Recommendations for people who want to get into The Classic Series and aren’t sure where to start
An Unearthly Child - The First DW Serial ever aired. Always a classic. I haven’t seen it yet myself but I’m excited too.
The Daleks - The First Appearance of The Daleks. Also a classic
I would say The Tenth Planet but I believe there are still some significant chunks missing. Still worth a watch if you can look past that though. (The missing episodes are fascinating and I might make a separate post about them sometime)
The Abominable Snowmen/The Web Of Fear - I’m not sure how much of the first one has been recovered but I’m pretty sure the entirety of The Web Of Fear had been recovered by the time the Great Intelligence next showed up. Mostly here because I think The Web Of Fear being recovered entirely is pretty cool.
Spearhead From Space - First Third Doctor Serial, First In Colour Serial, and First Serial to feature the Autons.
Robot - I started my Classic Series journey here since 4 has always been been my favourite Doctor. I recommend starting here if the first few Doctors seem intimidating.
The Arc In Space - Another CLASSIC. This one is a bit disturbing but I’m you can stomach it I hear it’s great(I couldn’t finish it. Touched on things that upset me too much)
Genesis of The Daleks - A must watch honestly. As played out as one of the scenes is(I hate seeing that scene replayed over and over in newer stories) it’s a classic.
The Pyramids Of Mars - Guys this is my favourite serial, possibly ever, I mean just look at my url. Guys it’s so good.
The City Of Fear - Another classic, mostly because it’s referenced a lot in other stories. Genuinely a fun story though.
honorary mentions to Terror Of The Zygons and Destiny Of The Daleks, which while not nearly as classic are also quite good
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trekkingthroughthestargate ¡ 1 year ago
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What you need to know to watch the David Tennant era of Doctor Who
I have been seeing so many people asking about this after watching Good Omens and wanting to jump into David Tennant's earlier work, so I've written list of what you need to know to watch his era of Doctor Who.
1) Please don't skip season 1 (DT shows up in the final episode of season 1). It's seriously amazing and is so important for understanding who the Tenth Doctor (Tennant's Doctor) is, the characters he loves and interacts with, and why they are so important.
2) If you do skip most of season 1, I recommend watching at least these few episodes
1x01 Rose - Introduces the companion Rose Tyler, sets up the concept of the show, introduces the Doctor himself
1x06 Dalek - Introduces the classic villain the Daleks, and why they are specifically so important to the NuWho Doctor (even more so than the Classic Doctors)
1x12 Bad Wolf and 1x13 The Parting of the Ways (two-parter) - Culmination of everything that makes the Tenth Doctor who he is and the farewell to the Ninth Doctor
Bonus:
1x04 Aliens of London and 1x05 World War Three (Two-parter) - These episodes have a rather cheesy alien villain, but introduce another extremely important character for Ten's run, and sets up an arc that culminates in the finale
1x08 Father's Day - A very important character is introduced in this episode, and more than that it's an amazing episode with stunning character moments, a beautiful story, and a flawless exploration of various relationships
1x09 The Empty Child and 1x10 The Doctor Dances (two-parter) - Some of the best episodes of the entire show, introduces another extremely important character for Ten's run, and sets up the relationship dynamic that is so important for Rose, the Doctor, and [redacted]
3) If you really don't even want to watch those episodes of season 1 in order to get to Tennant, here's some quick information that you should go in knowing.
Under the cut for spoilers
Important plot to know: The Time War
The Doctor is not just a Time Lord, he's the last of the Time Lords. There was a war between the Time Lords and the Daleks... the last great Time War. And in order to protect the universe from destruction, the Doctor was forced to end it by destroying everybody. He committed genocide on his own people, and on the Daleks, in order to protect the universe. And the trauma, ptsd, and loss of that haunts him. Rose is an enormous factor in him starting to recover from that trauma, and she does it simply by being the most ordinary person in the world who is capable of being extraordinary, and showing him that there is indeed wonders worth living for.
Important plot to know: Bad Wolf
Throughout the entirety of season 1, The Doctor and Rose Tyler constantly run into "Bad Wolf" imagery. No matter where they are, when they are, or who they are up against, Bad Wolf is waiting for them. In the finale, they find themselves up against a fleet of Daleks who had escaped the Time War, thanks to the Emperor of the Daleks. The Doctor assumes that they had used Bad Wolf to lure him there, but they were just as confused by it as he was.
The threat is dire, and the Doctor finds himself facing a similar choice that he faced during the Time War: Destroy the last of the Daleks, but in doing so also destroy his adopted home (the Earth). And in the end, he cannot do it. But one thing he can do is send Rose home and keep her safe, like he promised her mother he would do. Rose absolutely refuses to do so, and finds her way back to him by looking into the Time Vortex transforming herself into a Goddess. She becomes the Bad Wolf, the Goddess who creates herself, and she left the Bad Wolf message back across time and space for herself so that when the time came she would know what to do. But all of that power is killing her, so the Doctor absorbs it all in order to save her life.
And so the Ninth Doctor, the one fresh from the Time War, traumatized, guilt-ridden, haunted by a loss he cannot even begin to talk about, dies for the love of Rose Tyler. And that is what Ten is born from. He is born for the love of Rose Tyler.
Important characters to know: Rose Tyler
This was mostly covered in the Bad Wolf plot, but Rose Tyler is the definition of ordinary. She works in a shop, is very firmly lower class, and has as much aspiration as she does opportunity. But she has grit, determination, and intelligence. So when the Doctor comes along offering her a chance to travel through time she jumps at the chance.
Her parents are Jackie Tyler and Pete Tyler (deceased), and her boyfriend is Mickey Smith. In the episode Father's Day, Rose goes back in time so that when her father dies in a car accident he doesn't die alone, and she holds his hand when he dies.
Important characters to know: MP Harriet Jones
MP Harriet Jones is a completely ordinary woman who the Doctor and Rose meet in their travels together. But she's brave, smart, and willing to do absolutely anything to save the world... even if it means sacrificing her own life to do it. When he first meets her, the Doctor feels like he knows who she is, and only at the end of their adventure does he remember: she will later be elected Prime Minister for three successive terms, and is the architect of Britain's Golden Age
Important characters to know: Captain Jack Harkness
Captain Jack Harkness is a Time Agent and a con man from the 51st Century who will probably cry if he is prevented from flirting with any man, woman, or vaguely human-shaped being at any given point. The Doctor and Rose meet him when he is actively trying to con him, but he proves himself in the end when he willingly goes to his death in order to save the world. The Doctor and Rose save his life, and he travels with them.
During the finale, in order to buy the Doctor time, Jack leads an army of civilians against the Daleks, kissing both Rose and the Doctor in farewell and telling them that he wished he hadn't let them influence him into becoming a good man... because he might have lived longer if he was a coward. Jack sacrifices his life to buy the Doctor time, but when Rose emerges as the Bad Wolf she restores him to life. When he runs back to where the Doctor, Rose, and the TARDIS are, they have already left, leaving him behind in the year 200,100
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new-employeeamillion ¡ 4 months ago
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When I haven’t been taking screenshots of the funny chalk cartoon, I’ve been thinking about the season of Doctor Who that just finished, and what I’d like to see more of from the show going forward.
I liked Series 14 well enough, with most episodes being really enjoyable, especially in the middle portion. But I’ll concur with the rest of the fandom that the finale didn’t seem like the right place to end things. What was up with spoon lady? And why was the climax so easy? And while there’s a lot of questions about the season’s story arc that seem like cop-outs and letdowns, I’ll wait until next season to see if there’s more than they’re currently letting on. Maybe I’m expecting something I’m not gonna get, because the New Series has nearly always had an issue with making its finales too big to resolve neatly.
But what I am putting all my chips on is another classic series villain returning next year. I feel like I know Russell T. Davies’ writing pretty well now. Too well. It’s usually damn good writing, and I’m still thrilled to speculate on who or what he can bring back for a new generation.
Below is a list of every enemy to return under his producer-ship (sans the Dalek Emperor and Rassilon, the latter a more morally grey force in the Classic Series). Patterns I’ve noticed are that they tend to come from the first half of the classic run, and they tend to be re-introduced in rough chronological order to when they debuted. The Autons and Toymaker are clear outliers, but between Dalek and Series 4, and now again with the start of Ncuti Gatwa’s tenure, there’s a sense of progression through rejuvinating the show’s history.
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So my prediction for the next classic enemy to return is something from the back half of the Tom Baker era. Keeping with the new theme of bringing back the all-powerful entities, most likely the Fendahl or Black Guardian. Don’t hold me to these predictions…unless one comes true, in which case, I’ll have told you so.
And again, this is going off the foes re-introduced by Russell. The Great Intelligence, Ice Warriors, Silurians, Sea Devils and others have had their rematches under Steven Moffat and Chris Chibnall, but Doctor Who fans should never underestimate the showrunner’s personal influence on the show. Seriously.
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variousqueerthings ¡ 1 year ago
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so we're at the final double-episode of the rtd run *wipes brow*
look I'm biased. I'm sure we're all biased in terms of which era we started in, whether it was nu!who or classic!who pre-post rtd... but it's just such a good run. it just is:
obviously brought doctor who successfully back to life and returned it to its status of one of the most iconic pieces of television of all time
updated it to a 21st century storytelling format and audience, with a focus on the companion as the lens through which the show was introduced and the fact that the doctor needs them on a deep, fundamental level that echoes back and gives depth to some classic companions that maybe never got their proper dues within the show, and ripples forwards right into 13's run with bringing classic companions back!
emotional follow-through, with one long arc spanning from season 1 until the next regeneration. I've heard/seen some people think that ten near the end, and especially in the last episode, is self-indulgent and whiny, but I just... idk that is incorrect imo. this iteration of the doctor is a survivor of war and genocide, and clings desperately to people who eventually leave, and they tend to react very strongly to the continued death around them until they decide to literally test time to see if they can beat it and save someone who Shouldn't Be Saved, and then, just when they maybe have found a measure of peace with it all, they have to knowingly go and die. it's a lot for the character to emotionally compute, I think ten is allowed a little tantrum before going through with it, because so much of that regeneration is the universe using ten as a punching bag (after nine was so excited to see what came next too...)
like yeah, it's angsty writing, but that's kind of the point. emotional follow-through on concepts (immortality, transience, alienness, etc) that previously were a tad brushed over, with an added specific survivor's guilt + PTSD thrown in for good measure
speaking of all the people who leave for whatever reason -- companions with families and high stakes at home and individual personal reasons for travelling with the doctor, and for having to move on from that travelling. no longer mostly stumbling into the tardis and then sticking around until suddenly back home (or um... a couple of times dying), and reeeelatively comparably easy goodbyes (for the most part) -- being left over and over, or making the decision to go on alone, or seeing people die, hurts. and on the flipside of that, seeing all that splendor and then having to go on with life... what does that do to a person?
although chris eccleston unfortunately didn't have a great time and deserved better, the atmosphere once behind-the-scenes found its footing was clearly so supportive and friendly. people were coming back year after year (and so many of them have come back for rtd's new run, which I think says a lot too)
I know the music isn't technically underrated, but I think the music is kind of underrated actually, especially individual episode scores. the companion scores, the gallifrey score, the ood choir, the action score that was introduced in s3, and so many more, all perfection and show up wonderfully as various motifs in different places, but individual episodes had perfectly tailor-made scores (some personal favourites are dalek, father's day, impossible planet/the satan pit, gridlock, human nature/family of blood, midnight, and waters of mars)
similarly to the doctor being self-indulgent, I've also heard that dtennant is overrated, which, again, I get it. I don't agree, but I do think that some people don't engage enough with other iterations of the doctor, and so aren't really giving "the doctor as a whole character" their due shake, but sticking only with ten's narrative. that being said there's nothing about dtennant's performance that I think is anything less than amazing. and there's a reason that ten is so beloved, and it's that the main themes of the nu!who soft reboot rtd era stories that people weren't sure would last beyond a season or two, are carried on ten's slender slender shoulders and dtennant does it perfectly (see, I do think there could be less romance in ten's run, because it never works for me, and that's partly that the writers themselves seem to be shy about it/not quite sure what to do with it (because it shouldn't be there in the first place) but that's not the performance, that's unfortunately dtennant's jessica rabbit-ness). the point being, this was for a new generation that was coming from a different television background, and it was done pretty perfectly. and also dtennant loves doctor who, absolutely loves it to bits, and that shines through... the fucking nerd
rtd's main flaws (there are none I'm kidding!!) are that things can get unwieldy once they get too big, and there are times where one can see the cracks badly covered by duct tape in the format and pacing of some of the bigger adventures. that being said, every single rtd finale (from the flawless bad wolf/parting of the ways to the messy bitch that is the end of time pt1+2) is always at the end about something incredibly (for lack of better word) human. it's always about the relationships between the companions and the doctor (and also the doctor and the master, but that makes sense). the doctor and rose, the doctor and martha, the doctor and donna, the doctor and wilf (honorary companion). and the pretty big cast of characters that make them feel real -- rtd may at times be messy but he is hardly ever boring or emotionally vacant. the story itself might become untethered, but the emotions are firmly understandable
(that being said, fingers crossed that 13 years of post-doctor who have given him more sense of what to keep and what to scrap, so that the specials can be both silly and serious, without the seesaw completely ripping out of the ground -- I mean, mainly I hope it won't be wanky and self-congratulatory, but I have faith on that front! we'll see in one month)
this era of television did something that has barely ever (has it ever?) been done before. brought a story back and made it not only work, but near-perfectly balance respect for the classic, with leaps and bounds into the new. it created a brand new generation of fans, and brought along the older ones too
as a kid I didn't think any of these things, because I was just watching doctor who through the gaps of my fingers (I was a very frightened child overall). and like I said, bias ahoy, because nostalgia will do that to you, but you know what? it's still good. it's really really good. I'm so glad that it's part of my DNA
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kendrixtermina ¡ 6 months ago
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Space Babies
I did not like the overly silly & unserious beginning sequence, but once they landed on the spaceship it got solid, & there’s an actual sense of exploration, mystery, sensowunder & familiar thematic beats since the persistence of humanity, the solving things by talking („just creatures you haven’t met yet“), the Doctor as confident, enthusiastic & very experiened.
Ruby just had more emotional reactions in 2 minutes than all the Chibnall companions did in the entire opening two-partner. She’s woved by space. She’s showing concern for the Doctor. She’s awed at seeing humanity’s survival. She’s guessing & thinking.
UGH im just so glad.
Like she manages to seem like a person while continuing to be established as someone who rolls with crazy very well, as in the previous episode. It’s the little subtle reactions & questions that still make her seem like a person / functional audience surrogate.
That opening dialogue is a good summary of the Doctor as an explorer.
Ovsly they’re expositioning a lot of the lore of the Doctor’s backstory for any new fans who are only starting to watch wth this ‚era‘, but they’re also showing us where he arrived at as a character after his time with Donna.
He’s still rushing from place to place & being a tad blunt at it, he’s still glossing over heavy serious stuff by saying it lightly, but he’s come a long way since Martha had to forcbly drag the backstory out of him, and found a renewed sense of joy & purpose.
I love how they’re doing his reactions of being excited by the weird. Like, there’s the character I like again! (I suppose run with RTD’s patchup of explaining 13s OOC-ness with burnout, I don’t think that’s what Chibnall was doing, but it’s the best they could do & an unboring concept. I kinda wish we could just ignore the timeless child nonsense completely but I realize why that’s not possible, at least they’re actually showing him having an opinion about it. (‚the adopted one was the one to survive‘)
Like they’re actually trying to give it some meaning & have the character say what it means to him (exactly the thing Chibnall just never did with the twist for the sake of twist) & tying it into some celebration of diversity, which like strikes me as how the Doctor’s character would react to such a thing. They’re steering it away from ‚specialest little boy‘ & having him still identify with the culture he grew up with. (it probably lands better than it could have otherwise because they’re having someone from an immigrant family like Gatwa perform it. Like he’s got other roots but probably also sees Britain as his home & part of him? More sort of how many immigrants in europe tend to see themselves rather than the US American culture = genes nonsense. ‚In Germany I‘m the Turkish kid but when I go to Turkey I notice I’m very German’ type of thing. )
I still hate the timeless child thing with a passion & still wish it didn’t exist, but this is probably the best way to salvage it.
It’s telling that they’re not even using the fancy mary suey title „timeless child“ but having him say he was randomly found & no one knows where he cae from etc. that’s a different framing/flavoring less eviscerating of the character & less invalidating of all the previous stuff.
Well. I got the time jigzaw line, im grateful for it, its explicitly ambiguous what the og backstory was.
Especially in the context of the current arc with the rewritten universe, it does make sense that he doesn’t even know what his original backstory was, he’s kind of outlived not just Gallifrey, but his OG timeline, his OG version of the universe, sort of a unaligned unmoored chaotic existence. Theres some pathos to that, and you can see Ncuti channeling a bunch of his own feelings into it.
Though this makes me wonder how they’ll handle the Master when he comes back, if he’s now the one that did it in place of the Daleks. )
A speaking baby is unexpectedly funny, especially since they move their lips XD
I also love how much Ruby & the Doctor are obviously having fun together and acting like actual friends.
I keep being excited over low bar things but, like, UGH Chibnall traumatized me.
Still, they ARE actually doing a good job at showing Ruby & the Doctor behaving like friends, especially in the way they’re making jokes & gesturing.
They comitted to the ‚kindergarten meets space accident‘ aesthetic…
I love how Ruby immediately kicks into Big Sister Mode. The last episode we mostly got to know her family but there wasn’t so much on Ruby herself so in these episodes we’re probably going to focus on her.
The babies act like a mix between serious astronauts and actual babies xD
I love how sucinct & archetypical the answer of „The Bogeyman“ is. No uneccessary Fluff.
And though he’s warmer & more open, the doctor is still distinctly his a tad insensitive, big ego self.
So that’s the reveal.
I like this. This kinda miscarriage of justice situation and a random accountant who doesn’t know how to run anything being the one who stayed behind. „they won’t stop the babies being born but won’t care for them“… badum tsch.
Ohh, ohh the refugee line. That’s SO on point. That’s all the shit I’m mad about in current european politics. That’s not pulling punches.
I love how Ruby is the one to piece together the fairytale logic.
Like the Doctor’s excited to be learning the ‚new physics‘, but he’s the physicist. Ruby is kind of a fairytale protagonist, crazy number of siblings included.
Erics’s little toy sword :(((
Ruby’s actress NAILED this one. Like her concern & everything.
(oh thank fuck there are feelings in this show again)
RTD was rather good at world building, wasn’t he? Like making unique little one-off settings. Yeah, he had his flaws with the resent button endings & overblown pathos at times, but I always thought he did worldbuilding & flavor text pretty well. I like Joycelyn.
So yeah, we’re definitely getting to know Ruby in this episode and she’s pretty proactive & rolling with the punches a lot. Like she improv’d the distraction, she decided she was going with the Doctor etc. like, a lot of companions would have stayed with the babies (for different reasons), or gone with the Doctor mostly out of worry for him and have an emotional moment here, but Ruby’s like, just casually deciding here. She’s very ‚cool‘.
And she's embroiled in some kind of never-seen-before phenomenon. But after Donna, Amy & Clara that's just average tuesday for the Doctor at this point. Unknown Phenomena go Brr!
Must be wild for Ruby that this super-experienced time-traveller guy can't explain her.
Like I’m already getting a sense of ‚what would Ruby do if you throw her at a given situation‘ which fucking Chibnall couldn’t give us with 3 seasons and 3 characters to contrast off each other.
I love how they save the monster, too. I love the TARDIS key scene and how the Doctor’s actually excited to have Ruby on his team, & actually asking her. (war flashback to that compilation of prev Doctors inviting their companions enthusiastically except for the very awkward chibnall scenes or how 13 barely showed any emotion when any of them left)
it’s fucking Doctor Who again. The HUMANIST THEMES! The xenophile eccentric nerd protagonist. The friendship & humanity & shit.
It’s the show that I used to like that I didn’t fucking recognize in Chibnal’s trashfire except for, like, the one stray good-ish ep per season.
I’ll take it. I’m like, the Dad from ‚the Prodigal Son‘ today.
I lost it & it came back, I’ll take it.
Love also how this time the Doctor has the 'no undoing the past' convo right away to pre-empt a repeat of 'Father's Day'.
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bro-ken-spoon ¡ 1 year ago
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My Wild, Off-The-Wall Doctor Who Theory
Okay, so. I've got a 60th special theory. It's very probably wrong. But I'm posting it here just in case it isn't.
What if the Doctor really, actually, for real dies. The Doctor is dead. But Donna regenerates.
I know, I know, I know, hear me out. 
First, from a behind the scenes standpoint. The Doctor Who marketing team has been leaning pretty heavily into the concept of regeneration. They did an hour long Youtube livestream with all of the Doctors regenerations, and everyone on the marketing team seems to be trying to ensure that everyone in familiar with the concept. Now, this could be to prepare us for why Fourteen regenerated the way he did, but it also could be that the next Doctor isn't techniclaly Fifteen. Except, one point against me, I think his theme is actually going to be called “Fifteen” so that’s maybe an indicator that I’m dead wrong, but I’m having fun with my crack theory. So anyway, Davies both hasn’t called Gatwa Fifteen *and* in a recent interview for SFX Magazine, he said that he’s going to be calling Gatwa’s first season “series one” which is. So wild. He’s starting all the way over. And that’s so funny to me. So, from a technical standpoint, there’s not much to suggest that this couldn’t happen. It’s not likely, but it could.
Second, from an in-show standpoint. What sci-fi mumbo jumbo could make this possible? Well I’m glad you asked. SO, Donna’s last episode, Journey’s End. Ten gets shot by a Dalek and is brought inside the TARDIS, where he thinks he’s going to regenerate. But, last minute, he puts all of his regeneration energy into his severed hand. Later on, as the TARDIS is crashing, Donna, who's been hearing a heartbeat, reaches out for the severed hand. There's definitely an energy transfer there, and it does end up creating TenToo, who is almost like a mix of Ten and Donna (The DoctorDonna.) And at the same time, Donna gets some attributes of the Doctor as well. Mainly, we see that she now knows pretty much everything the Doctor knows. And of course, this is what's killing her. But what if she got other attributes of the Doctor as well? 
When Ten is leaving Rose on the beach for the second time, TenToo tells her that he'll grow old with her and that he "can't regenerate." And listen. I'm not saying that all of the Doctor's attributes *had* to be split evenly between TenToo and Donna during the metacrisis. That might not be how that works. But if it did....that would mean Donna got the regeneration aspects. It doesn't make that much sense, but it's not out of the realm of something that could happen in Doctor Who. Honestly just this part (and not the Doctor also dying and Donna becoming Gatwa) makes more sense. However, the only line of dialogue we currently have from Gatwa is him saying "Is anyone going to tell me what the hell is going on?" which is a very Donna thing to say, and I just think that would be so neat. The Doctor definitely could've also said that. Especially since he does seem to be wearing Tennant's new suit (just deconstructed) but I would just be so interested in the implications of it.
Now, obviously, we have to contend with fan reaction. People would absolutely hate this. He is The Doctor, yknow. He's a British pop culture icon. He's been around for 60 years. But Davies was best, at least in New Who, at giving the Doctor well-rounded character traits. He had a character arc that he went on that went mostly ignored during the 11th, 12th, and 13th Doctors in favor of different arcs because that's kind of the nature of Doctor Who. But he's also been around 60 years, and the character just keeps getting older and older. Even Tennant's Doctor, three Doctors ago, was constantly talking about how old he felt, how tired he was. There are places you can go from there, Twelve attempted to a little bit, but he's just going to keep getting older and going through more things and at some point, especially 60 years on, that could get narratively stagnant. But what if there was a way to keep "The Doctor" without keeping the same character. They could even be called The Doctor after having dropped the Donna part from "The Doctor Donna." It would switch it up, be interesting, go new places (like, maybe an "I'm the last of the Time Lords but do I even count as a Time Lord?" arc, that'd be fun.) And also, watching the incarnation of the Doctor who famously "didn't want to go" accept his death. And a reminder that it's David Tennant, who would be the best choice to end the Doctor on, if they ever were going to do that. British people and hardcore fans might hate it, but I'd kind of love it. I've also seen the theory that Rose Temple-Noble could regenerate as well, as a result of the same process, and that's also interesting but I don't really have a narrative idea of where that's going.
Anyways this is probably all a load of horse shit but it's just wild enough that I'm having fun feeling like a conspiracy theorist about it. Thanks for reading!
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rawwkfingers ¡ 11 months ago
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The Green Death
Wow. Just, wow. What an amazing serial
Not going to lie, while I did enjoy the entire story, up until the very end scene I wasn't going to place it above Silurians or Mutants for me but Jo's departure was so well done that I really think it elevated the entire serial to stand with my favorites from the era, and Classic as a whole
A huge part of why her departure was so good (the first one in Classic Who to actually make me tear up) is that the entire serial *felt* like a goodbye story for her. Like a lot of past companions, her romance with Jones did come from nowhere, but unlike past departure stories the chemistry between the two actors felt genuine (they were engaged in real life) and her leaving had been set up before she ever met him, not just in this story but throughout the whole season. Even if I hadn't known before watching that this was her final story, I would have known right from the start of this serial. So, when Jo and Jones (lol) announce their engagement and the Doctor quietly leaves her behind to live her life without him, it's a truly heartbreaking moment but also feels like a natural end to their journey together
In a way, Jo's character growth makes me feel bad for Carole Ann Ford because Jo was everything Susan could have been (if the whole alien princess stuff was off the table.) She began her arc as the damsel in distress who rarely contributed, but over the course of the series she became more and more independent, resourceful, and active in the story and I really grew to love her as a character. So when this story began with Jo refusing to go on a trip with the Doctor because there was a climate protest she felt was more important, it was a believable change in her
Which, yes, like all the best Pertwee era stories this serial was also extremely political. And while there were some elements of the political storyline that I thought could have been improved on (I think BOSS would have been a more intimidating villain and compelling allegory without the mind control stuff or the random human emotions thrown in) you can't really fault the story when what saves the day is a mushroom protein replacement. One little thing that I particularly liked was the way that the main danger was unintentional, but avoidable had Global Chemicals been willing to not seek out profits above all else
I hate to say this, but throughout the serial I was comparing it a lot to Series 11 and its abject failures when compared to this one serial, specifically Arachnids and Kerblam. Those two stories deal with similar issues that Green Death does, pollution and corporate greed specifically. But where the Series 11 stories only barely touch their topics on a surface level (and ultimately comes out in favor of corporate greed in arguably the most out-of-character episode the Doctor has ever had,) Green Death really shows its viewers the impact these issues have.
This was definitely one of the stronger seasons, but I still gotta rank the episodes haha
The Green Death. Just, what a powerful story. Political in the ways Doctor Who does best but with more character work than I've seen in Classic Who ever before
Frontier in Space. A really great political thriller with the Master working as an agent for the Daleks to start an intergalactic war, what's not to love
The Three Doctors. I love the fanservice and the world mythos building, but I do have to admit the actual plot is fairly basic
Planet of the Daleks. I actually quite liked the story of this serial, but its politics weren't great and also it having a romance subplot for Jo just doesnt make sense considering how her story ends
Carnival of Monsters. While a fun idea with some really wacky character designs, the story itself just wasn't strong
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