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annwayne · 1 year ago

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Hi!! I love it when you pop up in my life (timeline, lol).

Would you like to share three current thoughts you have about life in general?

Three thoughts about anything Star Wars related?

And any piece of fanart or fanfic that has lingered in your mind for ages after you first saw it? 😘

Awe well thank you! Your excitement is always fun to see, I think it's safe to say you've given some fresh life to the tcw/tbb fandoms.

Hmm. 3 thoughts about life...

I recently finished watching Midnight Mass and that got me thinking lots about the cult I was born into-what that did to me and where I am now. Also how bad people twist religious texts for their own benefit and how good believers tend to stay quiet until it's too late because of the culture.

No one's asked and I hate the whole "coming out" thing, but I learned about histrigender recently and feel in love with the term. Nonbinary and agender are sufficient to use with friends and family, but the most important person in my life knows what this term means and I'm happy with that.

Kinda lighthearted compared to the last two-but god I miss movies/tv shows that were willing to chance the viewer not following the story or noticing everything. I loved that Blackout was better the second, third time I watched it. I loved that I picked up on background dialogue that gave me exposition that I missed first time around.

Now 3 thoughts about Star Wars Oft. That's a dangerous game.

This might be controversial, but I'm not the kind of person to like every single clone. They are supposed to all have unique personalities (tcw couldn't fully flesh out every single clone so many of them feel underdeveloped imo) which means that there are clones that I don't care much for. I have my favorites, those I have noteworthy appreciation for, and then clones I don't think anything of. (go on and try to guess my fave I bet its impossiblleeeee xD)

Crosshair's story is meaningful to me because of my background in a cult. I probably think more in depth about his story than was originally intended to come through lol. The parallels though.. Especially a cult preying on insecurity? On loneliness, on the concept of worthiness?

Old republic star wars is the best star wars timeline opps sorry it's just too damn cool. (I like the space wizards)

Just one?

Mutually Assured Destruction by rubbergooseworks

The Price of Truth by Star_Killer01

Strangers in a Strange Land by sailaway

Violence-With-Respect by maskedbeliever

And this comm I got from skeltrr

#star wars #the bad batch #the mandolorian #star wars the clone wars #annwayne answers #thanks for the ask this was a nice surprise :)#I didn't tag any of the authors because I didn't wanna be annoying #go to their ao3 lol #if you couldnt tell #I like ocs

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cescalr · 2 months ago

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@yogs21134 :D I love rambling, so I'm glad that works out well!

Also: WHAT.

I admit I never paid much attention to the bts stuff (for a really long time I didn't even know it existed; for example all the stuff Hellstrand put on tumblr for Rythian's backstory was irrelevant to me, since I didn't use tumblr until 2016 - so I only had what was in the series itself, and in the same way I considered authors' word of god for books to not matter, I went the same way with the improv stuff; i think a little differently now, because at least those books are finished products - most of what we're told bts for yogsmc are things that would've actually happened, had they had the chance to execute those storylines to completion. Without any full context for Israphel!TMD, I have to say I'm not..... fond. My knee-jerk reaction is what about my tragic greek hero Xephos :( what about his fall from grace? The hero and the villain of the story? What about all the foreshadowing easter eggs. That would feel kind of left-field, and wouldn't imo be particularly satisfying. It'd feel like one of those twist endings TV show writers do where they panic that the fandom figured out the mystery rather than accepting that they did and their foreshadowing worked. You're supposed to figure out the mystery before the end! it makes the audience feel intelligent! The watcher/reader/etc is supposed to have all the clues to figure out whodunnit roughly at the same time in the narrative as the detective. Similarly, twist villains in fantasy stories are oft better done when you could figure it out. One of my favourite examples is in Keys to the Kingdom - aimed at roughly the same audience as YogsMC, or at least read by a similar age-range as who ended up watching Yogs content back in the day - by Garth Nix. You could figure out what was going on the whole time if you paid attention. But its still a surprise that he went through with that twist, and the ending is pretty bittersweet because of it. I love that series. I just like randomly shoving it into discussions of narrative cohesion, lol. Xephos = Israphel is sooooooooooooo narratively juicy. Any other option imo pales in comparison.

Oh, really? Hm. Good to know! Guess that's why it didn't feel like I missed anything, since I guess watching the end of it was all I needed to see. There are a lot of epsiodes of YogsMC series that you can freely skip, after all, given it's only semi-scripted storytelling and mostly comedy improv silly times <3. I love the comedy improv silly times. Not saying I don't! Shenanigans my beloved. TV cutting out "filler" (character building, dynamic progressing, tone reliving breather) episodes and going from like 22 to 10 a season is just depressing. Bring back MotW damnnit, lol. Still - what I'm saying is that, like a lot of other shows, I guess FB3 is one of those seasons people would call "filler", then?

@fumblemore first of all; congrats on snapping up that username, my guy. Epic. Secondly: Thanks <3 Lal being in SOI fuels so much of my yogsmc brain rot, you have no idea!! I really do need to fully rewatch the series, though; there's probably loads of little things lost to the decade and change since the first (and last) time I did! Alas, I'm in the process of watching EVOSMP for the first time, so that's gonna.... take a while.

Hm.

(EVO's really interesting for what happens to Martyn after the yogsmc stuff dries up imo - he loses one group of friends [to whatever I decide happens to the yogs characts post-series that week; they're probably actually fine, Martyn just thinks they're gone, or the fun option of his whole listener deal including a lack of access to the people he once knew knowing he's still alive.... hehe... angst....] only to lose another, and then end up trapped in a second set of survival (death) games?? crazy. wow. bad luck my dude...)

wait hello?? please elaborate on the green haired lalna, i never watched soi

oh sure!

In... hmmmmm one episode, The Hand? maybe? where Honeydew and Xephos head into an ancient technological ruin (implied to be a giant death robot of some ilk), they find a whole bunch of "evil" honeydew clones that have degraded to mindless violence (implied they're non-sapient, lacking the mental capacity to go beyond base instinct because of how long they've been down there multiplying ad nauseam, each clone generation worsening with nobody to maintain the mechanisms), and tonnes of broken vats. However, one single cloning vat is still working - and there's a guy inside! That guy is fully buttoned up labcoat LividCoffee, with, for some reason, green hair. It's neat :D and fascinating. Lore wise. Extremely fascinating.

I went looking for proof - it's not The Hand (that's the "finale" lol); it's Doppelgängers - for some reason those episodes merged together in my head.

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I also appear to be remembering him being alive completely wrong - for a uh, given value of 'alive'. given he's a zombie! and there's two of him. Whoops? I can't actually see good TM (hi, blind here) but people kept saying their hair was green back in the day and i absorbed that information. if it's wrong, I refuse to agree with reality! green haired lalna my beloved.

Also, again, my brain clearly likes to lie flagrantly to me, because while the honeydew clones are made by broken old machinery, that's because honeydew and xephos were fucking around again <3 idiots. I wonder what happens when you stand in the goddamn cloning vat and flick the lever.... buddies..... c'mon.

Anyway - there's two zombie (green haired! I'm not delusional!) Lalna's, which is even more fascinating than my shoddy memory allowed the situation to be, because that implies YogLabs devolved to making clones of clones at some point - along with giant death robots, but they were already doing that - after the Honeydew clone had to replace his original body because Testificate Betrayal Incident, even though Xephos knows with certainty that that's been worsening the quality of the cloning process due to.... well, all the failed Honeydew clones. and the Honeydew graveyard. That he makes Honeydew clones dig up. No he's not gone mental with grief what are you talking about.

Ahem. Judging by the state of SOI!Honeydew's clones, i think it's a mix of SOI!Honeydew being a pretty late-on clone-of-a-clone himself (remember, in Yogs canon all respawns are because of YogLabs, so in SOI for them to respawn - since they can respawn, I should say - they have to be clones.... though the time loop makes me question the metaphysics of it all; do they need vats in the present if the future is the past? Existential. Too existential for me. I like to think they do have vats in the present, in the bowels of what remains of YogLabs, deep in the heart of the desert (imo, it's the source of the desert, given that one YogLabs episode where, surprise surprise, Xephos had his team invent a thing that did the sand-ening process you see in SOI; in SOI, sand is like this organism that eats everything it touches, turning it into more sand, which works with YL lore because, hey, that's what the thing they made did! Tangent. Sorry).) and the machines being super borked. Amnesiac 1st gen clone Xephos* (original Xephos is currently running around as Israphel, imo - protag Xephos is a clone of an earlier, more stable version of the man who did a lil' rebellion <3 because orig!Xeph went. Um. Megalomaniacal) obviously wouldn't know any better than to flick the lever, lol. Just noting all that as I think it corroborates the ideas about YogLabs and cloning the canon gave me. (though i clearly need to rewatch the canon, given all my minor inaccuracies add up pretty heavily towards bad meta, and I hate making bad meta :( I love meta! I have an creative writing degree!!! I don't wanna make bad meta!!!!!!!)

Anyway: Green Haired Lalna! The reason it's so fascinating to see our zombie boy duo is that this is his first and only appearance(s) in SOI; we never meet an alive Lalnable Hector or Lalna LividCoffee. This implies a lot; there's no Lal alive because all his anchor clones are dead, perhaps. Or his clones are the characters Duncan Jones portrayed, made unrecognisable by time, the time-loop amnesia, and mechanical mishaps with the cloning process so they look a lil' different - it could explain why everyone in SOI is.... Like That. (Everyone in SOI acts like a faulty clone(-of-a-clone-of-a-clone-etc); a little not all there, in some respects, and extreme caricatures of themselves besides). There's a bunch of options! All of them pretty valid, 'cause of how fast and loose YogsMC plays with its own continuity, as an improv semi-scripted series with.... plenty of unfinished storylines. More for me to mess with! As a writer i appreciate the sandbox. As an audience member I shake my fist at the sky in great torment! /joke. Am a bit miffed still, though. Over a decade later (jeez. youch. augh. I was 11, holy shit....).

I think I'll have to change what I said in the tags of the Lalnable post, though, because i was working off of bad memory for that opinion.

I still think FB!Lalnable Hector is a direct clone of anchor lalna, but i'm no longer certain either of the lalnas we see in SOI are original lalna - rather, also direct clones of anchor lalna used to created manpower for the operation of the giant death robot; why hire a 12 man crew when you can clone one from the same man at 2x speed? And as we can see in YL 2nd gen (clone-of-clone) clones aren't unstable enough for this to be a bad idea; Honeydew post-replacement may have less.... wherewithal... but he's not entirely incapacitated by clone degeneration - current YL!Honeydew may be a poor imitation friend for Xephos, but he could still pilot a death robot! So I think I'm going with: whatever war YogLabs was fighting in to warrant the death robots (we know Xephos is spending a lot of YL prepping for war with various foreign nations, so this isn't an unlikely event - in some ways he appears to be actively seeking that outcome, because he's speedrunning self-fulfilling time-loop shenanigans i guess.) got desperate enough they used cloning to bulk up manpower numbers, and in typical YL fashion they borked it by cutting corners on the mechanisms of this fact, by using sub-par machinery and clones-of-clones-of-clones, who can definitely pilot death robots but may not have the sheer brilliance of their original (lalnable hector, in this instance, being a certifiable genius, and his clones are smart, but less-and-less so due to the way YL cloning works) so they fuck up more often and thus the systems in place start failing, and lo and behold you have two zombie Lalnas in cloning vats, how did they zombify?????? How??????? What was in the genetic material sludge they were floating in for [time loop confusing the timeline; no actual idea how long it takes for All That to go down] to do that.

Anyway; now i have thoughts!!! So many of them. Thank you for the ask or I'd have gone on with my goldfish sieve memory assumptions about SOI/YL/Lalna and been worse off for it. Also, I just like canon accuracy. Being able to fuck with canon and take it to its logical extremes is what i find fun, personally. Canon complicit, i heard it called - I like that one. Not compliant. That implies bowing under pressure. No no. I'm in on the evil scheme entirely willingly. Enthusiastically, even!

Anyway: Yeah. Green Haired Lalnable Hectors / LividCoffee(s) my beloveds. I do wish one of them had been alive, because I love SOI's silly little grandfather paradox (Xephos = Israphel, and all it's horrible no good brain melting implications) interpretation, and if one of them had been alive then you could infer a second grandfather paradox - lalnable hector's clone is his original existance; wait, what? - because fucking with whatever 'original' timeline absolutely screwed and destabilized this one. And it didn't even work! Xephos, you never cease to amaze me in the many ways you can fail spectacularly at things. Pathetic main character that never wins long-term <3 Doomed by the very narrative he created! Glorious.

... this was a Lalna ask. Lol. Sorry! I never get to talk about yogsmc. I have so many thoughts.

Anyway: that's basically it, I think? Lalnas in vats; do with this what you will! Fascinating stuff, truly.

(That was not particularly well constructed, lol, but i hope it was interesting anyway!)

#yogsmc #yogsmcsoi #yogsmcmeta #testificiate m.d.#israphel #yogsmcyl #yogsmcfb #probably a #long post #at this point?

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