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irlpretear · 10 months ago

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100 more trans/genderqueer musicians

a pt.2 to my last post

Bands

Problem Patterns (riot grrl) (x)

Et On Tuera Tous Les Affreux (hardcore punk) (x)

Speedy Ortiz (indie rock) (x)

Foxtails (punk rock) (x)

Come To Ruin (deathrock) (x)

Arabella (hardcore punk) (x)

Flummox (metal) (x)

Dream Sequence (emo, post-hardcore) (x)

Escuela Grind (grindcore, metal) (x)

Buggin (hardcore punk) (x)

The Aquadolls (indie rock) (x)

Vile Creature (black metal) (x)

Caustic Soda (punk) (x)

Go! Child (indie pop) (x)

Tribe 8 (punk rock) (x)

SeeYouSpaceCowboy (hardcore punk) (x)

NARC (hardcore punk, sludge violence) (x)

BRAT (hardcore punk) (x)

[ctrl] (power violence) (x)

Strawberry Milk Cult (punk rock) (x)

.gif from god (metal) (x)

CyberGirlfriend (indie rock) (x)

Vermin Vendetta (metal) (x)

Pretty Frankenstein (glam goth) (x)

Doll Chaser (punk) (x)

RENT STRIKE (folk punk) (x)

Tears for the Dying (goth rock) (x)

Himbo (math rock) (x)

Out of Sight (hardcore punk) (x)

Morta (metal) (x)

Girlpool (indie rock) (x)

Life of Agony (metal) (x)

Mashrou' Leila (indie rock) (x)

Basketball Divorce Court (post punk) (x)

Bad Waitress (art punk) (x)

Rural Internet (hip hop, electronic) (x)

The Crystal Furs (indie pop) (x)

Blind Tiger (hardcore metal) (x)

Atomic Broad (punk) (x)

tote bag (tender punk) (x)

Pansy Prep (indie rock, emo) (x)

UT/EX (metalcore, screamo) (x)

Your Heart Breaks (indie pop) (x)

Yam (punk rock) (x)

K's Choice (rock, alt pop) (x)

Elderberry Industries (noise, synth) (x)

Qi.x (kpop) (x)

The Mermerings (folk punk) (x)

Refractory Period (synthpop) (x)

fenix (rock) (x)

Solo Artists

Tape Girl (hyperpop, ska) (x)

Titica (kuduro, pop) (x)

Lauren Bousfield (synth punk) (x)

Liniker (r&b) (x)

TRVDWIFE (grindcore, cybergrind) (x)

Stomach Book (electronic, indie rock) (x)

Coyote Grace (bluegrass) (x)

Jake Zyrus (r&b, soul) (x)

D'Nayzja (hyperpop, electronic) (x)

Adeem the Artist (country) (x)

Renee Goust (pop, cumbia) (x)

Linn Da Quebrada (club, Brazilian funk) (x)

The Reverent Marigold (folk) (x)

Çağla Akalın (arabesque) (x)

Jessie Chung (Malaysian pop) (x)

Spike Fuck (post-punk, smackwave) (x)

Shea Diamond (soul, r&b) (x)

Vivek Shraya (pop, dance) (x)

Mocchi (folk, alt rock) (x)

SuperKnova (indie pop) (x)

Creep-P (hyperpop) (x)

Aljas (rap) (x)

Sylvia Baudelaire (rap) (x)

London Jade (hip-hop, rap) (x)

Susy Shock (tango) (x)

Slugwife (hyperpop) (x)

Jupiter Fiction (singer-songwriter) (x)

Mrs. Yéyé (punk) (x)

Lady Charles (glam rock) (x)

Mily Taormina (indie) (x)

Dope Saint Jude (rap, hip-hop) (x)

Imbi the Girl (hip-hop, rap) (x)

187 (drum'n'bass) (x)

zombAe (experimental hip hop, electronic) (x)

The Official Bard of Baldwin County (folk) (x)

Skylar Rose Stravinsky (singer-songwriter) (x)

hard Tiddies (country, singer-songwriter) (x)

Bunny Danger (punk) (x)

Ataru Nakamura (pop) (x)

Anjimile (folk) (x)

Villano Antillano (rap, urbano) (x)

Lauren Auder (indie pop) (x)

Justin Vivian Bond (cabaret) (x)

Namoli Brennet (folk, indie rock) (x)

Mya Byrne (Americana, folk) (x)

Quinn Christospherson (indie rock) (x)

Jayne County (proto-punk, glam rock) (x)

Katie Dey (experimental pop) (x)

Electra Elite (electropop, dance) (x)

Quay Dash (hip-hop, rap) (x)

#punk #trans music #music #folk music #if you couldnt tell i purposefully left off artists well known in western countries and artists i saw 5+ on the last list #so do not ask me where is cavetown/sophie/ethel cain/etc you all know them #i dont listen to all of these bands so if theyre secretly shitty or smth lmk #anyways have fun

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everythingfiction13 · 5 months ago

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During one of the many Krew missions, Asami get hurt, knocked down by some goon that used his bending to throw her down:

Korra seamlessly swiveled around the earthbender's attempt to knock her off, hurling a goust of water at him. The water froze at his hands, shackled his feet so as he could not bend his way out, leaving him to be picked up by one of the metalbender officers.

The day was almost won. Almost. Because as soon as Korra let her guard down, the air froze with the terrible cracking of bones. The Avatar's heart sunk before she'd even glanced as to whom had fallen, the rest jumping into action at once.

Lying there, unmoving, Asami's chest did not even flicker.

"No..." Korra ran, skidded and dropped to her knees beside the other woman, her hands hanging around Asami's face as if the mere act of touching her would shatter her. "Asami, no. Come on, baby, wake up."

Silence fell upon them. Tears glistened behind Korra's eyes, her fingers twirling Spirit water above Asami's body. She could feel it all, the broken rib, the bruise on her skull, and the awkward bend of her wrist. It was the head that scared Korra the most, concentrating all of her effort there.

Minutes seemed like hours, the tears now freely falling to quiet pleading, and a touch upon the pristine skin. Behind them, Opal clung to Bolin, Mako looked on his face growing paler by the second, and Lin had ordered the place clear of the goons, barked to get Kya over here at once.

"Sami, baby...please...you promised, remember? You promised."

Korra buried her face against Asami's chest, clutching at her leather jacket. Then she felt it. The quiet thrumming of a heartbeat, the flicker of a chest, and finally, a gasp.

Asami's eyes sprung open, a pained moan curling from her lips. Her gaze unfocused, it took her a moment to see Korra smiling down on her, cheeks tainting her visage.

"I'm okay..." she croaked. "I'm okay..."

"You better be. I love you. I love you so much."

Despite the aches, Asami pulled Korra closer to her, arms wrapping around her as much as she could. "I love you, Korra. I'm not going anywhere."

#asami #lgbtlove #korra #korrasami #legend of korra #ao3 writer #avatar #mako #bolin #opal #lin beifong #asami sato #hurt/comfort

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igriswholove · 4 months ago

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I think about Johnny.

Below there may be partial descriptions of violence, unpleasant moments in life, and mentions of hospitals.

About MacTavish, who in an extra quiet moment decides to find his notebook - to draw something or someone. But his hand trembles - a wound that has touched something important leaves a tremor in his fingers, and he has to really try. The drawing comes out careless - the lines do not go as usual, they slide off, they go in a small wave. He's angry. But he simply don’t have the strength to do it. He can learn again. He learns quickly.

About Soap, who hates hospitals. The feeling of an IV or catheter in his hand creates an itching under his skin, a desire to wriggle out, to rip the meat out. But he endures. That's why he's often grouchy and sarcastic. The hospital food does not disgust him - it is not particularly different from the food in their canteen... but the air, saturated with a special, hospital smell, makes him lose his appetite - it turns him inside out. That's what operating rooms smelled like - a pungent smell of cleanliness and something he couldn't quite put his finger on. This is what the intensive care unit smelled like. This is how the beds in the wards smelled. This is what the medicine smelled like. Their Infirmary at the base is closer to him - in spirit, in smell, in furnishings, even though there are not as many conditions there as in the next hospital, where he ended up by the will of fate, or rather, because a shell on a mission that almost turned his side out. But he doesn’t like to be there either. Lesser of two evils.

Johnny, who, when the instructions are too vague, too ragged, when the feeling of Total wrongness in everything is breathing hot breath into the back of his neck, goes to figure it out and demand at least some answers. Price only wearily and patiently, with restraint that even Goust would envy, only reports what he has already reported and expresses understanding. Johnny, who then leaves, almost slamming the door - sometimes like a child, well, honestly.

Johnny, who after this is all on edge, rolls towards the hall in, looks like bundle of nerves, just to relieve the aching muscles - anxiety, squeezing and crushing his body in spasm.

I think about the name McTavish coming out of Ghost's mouth in that thick British accent when he's challenged to spar.

Johnny, who smiles while his body burns with bruises, the sites of particularly successful blows from Ghost - scream, demand rest. But the fight is on, and Johnny is almost having fun. Both are letting off steam, mostly playing by the rules that never work in real combat, rather than trying to cause harm.

Afterwards, Johnny listens with displeasure to the nurse, and then to Price, that this is NOT the best thing he could do - he must be ready for the mission and be as fresh as a cucumber. Considering the recent incidents, the amount of medicines consumed and other things in just half a year, he is rather a pickled. Perhaps he should take a vacation?...

Johnny, who jerks his leg when he’s nervous, creating a rhythmic, barely audible sound - a heavy gloved hand falls sharply on his knee, squeezing, reminding him, firstly, of the bruise, and secondly, that it’s time for him to calm down, otherwise the mission will go to hell. A panicking soldier is a dead soldier.

Johnny, who loves breakfast cereals and, despite the teasing from the know-it-all Gaz, who reminds that this is almost one hundred percent sugar, easily devours a pack, eating away the stress.

McTavish, who sits at the table late at night, poring over textbooks and new information on the creation of explosive devices and their operation, thoughtfully drawing out convenient combinations for occasions, and simply as a training session.

Johnny, who loves puddings and fights with an unknown person who steals them from the refrigerator. Literally or not, he hasn’t decided yet, but he won’t forgive this “someone” for strawberry pudding. (This is Goust, by the way)

Johnny, who gets mad when his hair grows too long and falls in his face. Several times, when on a mission he did not have time to cut his hair, he managed to grow his hair to shoulder length, upon returning he decided to only shave the sides, tying his hair in a ponytail - fortunately, the length allowed.

Johnny, who has a toothache and waits as long as he can before he is pushed into the dentist's office, from where he emerges gloomy and angry, and the terrified doctor only silently asks for payment. No, he takes care of his health - a soldier, after all, but still. They have mutual hostility with the doctors.

Johnny, who has a 'subtitled face'. Sometimes subtitles lie.

#call of duty #cod mw2 #john soap mactavish #soap cod #fanfic #cod fanfic #cod fanfiction #cod #soap call of duty #cod headcanons #ghost cod #ghost #headcanon #call of duty headcanons #soap headcanons #soap mw2 #soap mactavish #johnny mactavish #johnny headcanons

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gelu-the-babosa-multiversal · 1 month ago

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In a crossover between Dandandan and Transformers Prime, what's it like for the bots to discover that other alien species have visited the planet? The only reason that a number of them haven't invaded yet was because of the hostile paranormal spirits and ghost that also inhabit the planet, as the bots will soon discover 👽 👻

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhh maybe not so comfortable staying on Earth for much longer.

A lot of spirits don't know that they are killing aliens and the aliens don't know that spirits are killing them. That is kind of funny, you know? Aliens see creatures that define reality and natural laws that they thought they understood when they came to Earth.

While Gousts just don't give a shit. If they see something that threatens their territory they will not hesitate to possess objects to scare them away, or if the thing is being too annoying then they will just appear in front of them and rip their head off. Like, they won't care if it is metal and not flesh, annoying is an annoyance!

Unless it is a spirit who is aware that they are ¨spirits¨ like Turbo Granny then it would be too hard to reason with a common spirit who is mad at you for being a giant metal robot that makes beep boop noices...

Optimus had to learn that the hard way...

Megatron too...

And probably Starscream will never be left alone ever again...

But hey, the bright side! They are indeed good spirits that they would want to help the Bots. Taro and Hana are a couple that is sweet and very kind to them.

#ask #thanks for the ask!#idea #au #crossover #part of the multiverse #maccadam #tf #transformers #tfp #tf prime #transformers prime #dandadan #ddd #dan da dan

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xxbun-artxx · 2 years ago

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I've been thinking about about how metal nya kinda breaks season 5 and 15

Don't know metal nya? Hi I am bun and here are the posts of metal nya for you to catch up

My hash: #ninjago metal nya

First drawing: 《Art here》

Second drawing: 《Art here》

Casual: 《Art here》

To kinda illustrate what I mean, in s5 nya has the arc of knowing that she's the next water master and using the water to defeat the gousts because they're weak to water.

Metal nya breaks:

-nya's power is metal not water, we don't have a way to defeat the goust like the finally

-nya's learning arc is none existent, in this au nya gets thier power around end of s3 and beginning of s4. And because they are more comfortable with metal then water they got the hang of it much quickly.

-the entirety of season of s15 is broken beyond belief

This is not to take in consideration of karlof's fate

And I've been thinking about what I can do about this because I'm thinking of writing a fic about it but I can't solve this issue so ama take it to you guys nya's biggest fans to help me with what you want to see from this au.

FYI changeing the water themeing of s15 is not an option, I love the concept of that season and I love bentho

Have a good day or night, hydrate or die

Bun, drowned

#ninjago #ninjago fanart #ninjago art #ninjago bun designs #ninjago nya #ninjago metal nya #ninjago au #ninjago jay #ninjago cole #ninjago kai #ninjago zane #ninjago lloyd #nya smith

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alyjojo · 2 months ago

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Past Life 📜 Karmic Spread September 2024 - Aquarius

Preshuffle: You’ve healed & released the past - but I’m not sure which life this is talking about. Same message, repeating.

Meditation: I’m seeing the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, you’re either funding or building it, after a destruction, or it simply wasn’t finished - you finished or fixed it.

~ The Past Life ~

Gender I’m Picking Up On (in the past life): Male

Character Card: Appreciation 🙏 - Moon Leo

Who You Were: The Devil rev

What You Did: The Tower rev

How It Ended: 8 Wands rev

Oracles: Fish 🐠

Your name was Louis-Robert Goust, born June 8, 1761 in France, alive under the reign of Napoleon I, who commissioned for the Arc de Triomphe to be built in honor of his victories and the sacrifices of war. You were the student of Jean-Francois-Therese Chalgrin, the initial head architect for this project; and after he died, you succeeded him. That’s all from Google, about all I can find really - and the reading shows you starting around the time of his death & this succession, not having much of a choice. It wasn’t a project close to your heart, to you it was the obvious choice because that’s what had been the project before - but probably not one you’d have chosen.

The monument wasn’t finished with you, or even the person after you, it was shut down for periods of time with complicated politics. You would’ve carried it through to the end, and by the end of your time with this, you were looking forward to the recognition you’d receive for having finished this. For France 🇫🇷 History shows you having worked on it for three years. There is another famous building you worked on, a chateau, and the reading shows that also - along with any others - didn’t satisfy you. It didn’t have glory, you were largely unappreciated, and you craved fame on some level with Leo Moon here. You wanted to be recognized as a respectable architect, and you probably were, but not how you wanted. It just didn’t work out that way, death shows not ever having gotten your way.

Death also shows a family squabble in life, it’s showing immaturity, so this could’ve happened when you were young. Maybe with a sibling, cousin, or family friend you had to grow up with. You never forgave them, could’ve been more than just them by death, but you carried grudges your whole life. Possibly never spoke to some of them after the last time. I see you pondering that at the time of death, which feels natural. Fish shows a desire for more, more, more. More recognition, the spotlight, the achievement. It was a lifelong battle & forced acceptance, an ego death of sorts.

~ The Present Life ~

What Karma Was Brought With You: Knight of Cups

Who You Brought With You: 4 Swords

Additional energy: Ace of Wands rev

Character Card: Protection 🐅 - Moon Aries

Risk 🦠 - Saturn Aries (clarified)

Oracles: Dog, Finances, Native American

There is a masculine/feminine conflict in you, and I’m getting a strong Aries/Libra duality, you could have those signs somewhere, or nodes. Either you’re a male who finds the whole male experience & the expectations that come with that - exhausting - or you’re a female that’s a tough bitch and not the most in touch with her feminine side…because you’ve had to be. It’s a burden. I’m not really getting gender fluid, could be, it’s more that the masculine aspect of yourself is a burden you’ve had to bear. It’s meant to be, because whoever your person is, they’re Knight of Cups. This is a soft, romantic, thoughtful and endlessly optimistic person that rides white horses and reads poetry. So if you’re a woman, your person is a sweetheart and you’re the more “masculine” of the two.

They are the only one that has come with you from this life. I asked who they were: 2 Wands. Another architect, a team mate & partner in crime, more or less. Not romantic then but they are now. Also part of this male/female dynamic, you were both male last time so this is new. They’ll often feel more like a friend than a lover, but that’s perfect for an Aquarius. They are shown as a Twin Flame 🔥 and there’s a period of separation before you come back together. They are this Dog 🐶 very loyal, sweet and loving, you don’t have to be a tough bitch with them. I get you being unconscious of this, you don’t currently know this is your Twin.

The Twin Flame journey is your challenge with this person, because there’s a long period of healing for you both. Protection shows you having divine protection from Risks, and I was told to use the little germ emoji. Sickness? You’re protected from illness or risks involving that. You could work in the medical field literally, as a healer, and Spirit keeps you in like…a healthy bubble, so you can heal others. It’s possible you heal animals too, though I’m not seeing that as work but something you just do. Have done. Or your person has/does. You may have protection from animals specifically too, or there’s a story you have that’s a close call with an animal, and you were being protected. It’s all part of the same gift, but it’s a gift all the same 🎁

Finally, you’re being told two things. One, there is a financial opportunity with Native American involved, and a King of Pentacles is someone else that’s manifesting this into reality. Someone you’re working with. That’s your path, and I have no idea what that means but it looks like a job or something financial. It could be a craft or…I’m seeing leatherworking from my game 😆 but there’s a reason I’m seeing it. They could be Native American, have strong ties there, work with that in some way…Spirit is being all cryptic about it, like they do, so it’s a destined thing.

And two, quit being angry about the past, how things have changed, how they’re currently changing even. It’s all meant to be 🧡 And they make it seem like eventually, you won’t be mad anymore, you’ll be very happy - so just try and start now.

#Aquarius #past life reading #September 2024 #astrology #past life #tarot reading #karma #karmic relationships #past life connection #soul ties #life path #lessons

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lynnnshooty · 26 days ago

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almost sent Jesus the christ instead of my goust holy shit

#the goust

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diane07 · 2 years ago

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kanachtun · 1 year ago

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Ջերմություն քոթեջ (Warmth cottage)🏡

#youtube #warmth #cottage #Kanach tun #Yenokavan #goust house #nature #forest #rest #green home

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drachonia · 1 year ago

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❝ 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭? 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐲 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐲? 𝐡𝐚𝐚…𝐚𝐥𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧, 𝐤𝐞𝐞𝐩 𝐮𝐩! ❞

𝐈 𝐁𝐄𝐋𝐎𝐍𝐆 𝐓𝐎 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐏𝐄𝐎𝐏𝐋𝐄 𝐈 𝐋𝐎𝐕𝐄 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐓𝐇𝐄𝐘 𝐁𝐄𝐋𝐎𝐍𝐆 𝐓𝐎 𝐌𝐄 ⸻ You picked me like a flower, didn’t expect the thorns, you say that I’m too 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐝, didn’t know what you were in for, the second that you leave I’m tearing down your tapestries 𝐢𝐭’𝐬 𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐧𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮’𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠.

contents include: references/inspiration from norse history and culture, i'm still learning, so please be kind & bear with me if things are not entirely accurate. ;w; headers © saradika outline © celiciaa

𝐼. ⸻ 𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥.

name, noele herra

nickname, none yet

sex, female

orientation, heterosexual, demiromantic

birth date, december 24

zodiac sign, capricorn

place of birth, coasts of quartz, northwest of rhodolite

age, 24-25

occupation, knight

crest, husky

alignment, chaotic good

mbti, entp

𝐼𝐼. ⸻ 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞.

eyes, icy blue, like the shadow of a glacier over ice. her

hair, pale brown, taupe colored hair, typically tied halfway up off her neck. lots of volume and surprisingly soft despite her profession and upbringing.

built, muscular upper arms (greatsword training and proficiency) with toned torso that leads into wide hips and thighs. a cross between an hourglass figure and a pear figure.

she is fair skinned, a faint bit of tanning from her time in rhodolite but still comparably pale to those from more southern nations.

height, 5'4" - 162 cm

weight, 125 lbs

𝐼𝐼𝐼. ⸻ 𝐟𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐲.

father, erik

mother, marguerite herra

brothers, ander, cavan, aleksei (oldest triplet), klaus (youngest triplet), noah

sisters, sigrid, liv

𝐼𝑉. ⸻ 𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬.

traits, autonomous, playful, attentive, protective, polite

passions, music, dance, swordfighting, light baking

fears, being unable to protect loved ones, failing at her job as a knight, losing her edge in swordfighting, being seen as unfit.

colors, mint green, lavender, warm chocolate, blush

aesthetics, fur lining & fabrics, leather laces, ice crystals, snow, pine trees, sparring, winter, morning dew, down feathers, pale blue silk, forest incense, fresh flowers

𝑉. ⸻ 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲.

around loved ones, warm and bright, like a fireplace or a candle, fiercely loyal and protective, well-mannered around friends, free-spirited, gentle, kind-hearted, thoughtful, sarcastic around strangers, aloof, unladylike, standoffish, hot-blooded

𝑉𝐼. ⸻ 𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐞𝐬.

combat, noele has extensive combat experience and knowledge, tracking as far back as when she was a young teen.

dance, she's relatively skilled at dance and the grace from her combat training comes through in the ballroom as well

baking, though much more minor when compared to her combat skill, noele knows how to make rather delicious sweets, mostly small cakes and pastries and tarts.

horseback riding, she has a rather large shire-like horse, and is very adept at fighting on horseback. it is not, however, her preferred type of fighting, especially with her greatsword.

𝑉𝐼𝐼. ⸻ 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝.

hailing from the far north, in a country called quartz, noele is the fourth born child to both of her parents — a former earl father and a storyteller mother of rhodolite origin — into a set of triplets. raised alongside her brothers with combat training for well over a decade, she lived her life helping around her family estate until she was old enough to travel at the encouragement of her mother. deciding to go to her roots, she moved to rhodolite for a change of pace around the age of twenty alongside a couple of friends, still keeping contact with her family through acquaintances that travel between both her home country and rhodolite.

𝑉𝐼𝐼𝐼. ⸻ 𝐚𝐫𝐭.

reference, here. art, by aki. by goust. fics, 1 2 3

#noele #ikemen prince oc #ikepri oc

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nordleuchten · 2 years ago

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hi there! can you tell us more about the drama between La Fayette and Lord Carlisle? 👀

Dear @ouiouixmonami,

of course! :-)

In the second half of 1778, a British peace commission, headed by Frederick Howard, 5th Earl of Carlisle, was send to America to try to broker a peace. Their mission was almost surely doomed to fail, given the instructions they received from their government in England.

Shortly after the arrival of the Commission in America, La Fayette wrote in a letter to Henry Laurens what his opinion upon the matter was:

La Fayette to Henry Laurens, June 12, 1778:

I can not write to York Town without asking my good friend Mr. Henry Laurens how he does, and which are his present ideas upon the arrival of the commissioners appointed for to corrupt a part of the continent, deceive the other, and if possible enslave the whole as far as it is consistent with the present state of affairs. If you were to ask my private opinion I would refer you to the Earl of Abington’s speech, as the candid sentiments of a man who being at the fountain head may give us some knowledge of the true idea they have in Parliament of theyr Ridiculous and deceitfull commission for to grant pardons to the faithfull subjects of George the Third. I understand they have sent five commissioners, ambassadors, or whatever you’ll be pleas’d to call them. (…) I do’nt understand how they did send those commissioners with such instructions as will immediately discover theyr scheme of treachery, deception, tyranny, vengeance, corruption and indeed of every Rascality under the fairest names. That word of pardon is not only abzurd but very insolent. Ah my dear sir, never suffer such a people to approach you. Look down upon them and when ever they’ll want to come near in order to corrupt and deceive, keep them alwai's at a distance, and never suffer a word to be spoken, or a letter to be writen to them till independency will be aknowledged by Parliament, the troops with drawn, even from Canada, for Canada is necessary to the liberties of America.

He then went on to state his opinion about the different members of the commission:

I have reserv’d the Earl of Carlisle for the last. He is a fine gentleman, very well powdered, and a man of bon goust. He began by Ruining his own fortune, and wanted to get the Reputation of a man belov’d by the ladies. While I was in England he was much in love with a young fair dutchess and pretty ill treated by her. However he is a good poet.

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 2, April 10, 1778–March 20, 1780, Cornell University Press, 1979, p. 74-76.

While his judgment of Carlisle may sound a bit harsh, it was indeed the most forgiving. It is also quite interesting to see that La Fayette apparently has met Carlisle during his trip to London in 1777.

The Commission wrote several letters to Congress and published statements. In one of these statements, a manifesto written on August 26, 1778 and printed by the Pennsylvania Packet or the General Advertiser on September 12 of that year, they warned America to lean not too heavily on France. France was, by the commission’s arguments, no reliable ally because their were no religious or civil liberties in France. They also wrote that France’s only wish was to prolong the war to weaken England and not to settle it. The most offending passage in La Fayette’s eyes was the accusation that “the designs of France, the ungenerous motives of her policy, and the degree of faith due to her professions, will become too obvious to need any further illustration.” That was the absolute final straw for La Fayette and he began to toy with the idea of challenging Carlisle as the head of the commission to a duel. Before doing so, he sought advice both from George Washington and from Comte d’Estaing, the French Admiral who had just arrived with the French troops.

La Fayette to the Comte d’Estaing, September 13, 1778:

It is a matter of the nation’s honor not to let it pass in silence. Lord Carlisle is the president of those gentlemen (…) I am going to write him a billet-doux and propose to him an exemplary correction in the sight of the British and American armies. I have nothing very interesting to do here, and even while killing Lord Carlisle, I can make some more important arrangements at White Plains. I flatter myself that General Washington will not disapprove of this proposal, and I am sure that it will have a good effect in America.

La Fayette to George Washington, September 24, 1778:

I am going to Consult your excellency upon a point in which I not only want your leave and opinion as the Commander in chief, but also your Candid advice as the man whose I have the happiness to be the friend—in an adress from the British Commissaries to Congress, the first one after jonhstone was excluded, they speack in the most di[s]respectfull terms of my Nation, and Country—the whole is undersign’d by them and more particularly by the president lord Carlisle—I am the first french officer in Rank of the american army, I am Not unknown to the British, and if Somebody must take Notice of Such expressions, that advantage does, I believe, belong to me—do’nt you think, my dear general, that I schould do well, to write a letter on the Subject to lord Carlisle, where I Should Notice his expressions in an unfriendly manner—I have mentionn’d some thing of that design to the Count d’estaing but want intirely to fix my opinion by yours which I instantly beg as soon as you will find it Convenient.

“To George Washington from Major General Lafayette, 24 September 1778,” Founders Online, National Archives, [Original source: The Papers of George Washington, Revolutionary War Series, vol. 17, 15 September–31 October 1778, ed. Philander D. Chase. Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2008, pp. 118–119.] (02/35/2023)

We see that La Fayette’s passion had considerable cooled down by the time he wrote Washington. Washington replied in early October.

Washington to La Fayette, October 4, 1778:

The generous Spirit of Chivalry, exploded by the rest of the World, finds a refuge—My dear friend—in the sensibility of your Nation only—But it is in vain to cherish it, unless you can find Antagonists to support it; and however well adapted it might have been to the times in which it existed, in our days it is to be feared that your opponent, sheltering himself behind modern opinion, and under his present public Character of Commissioner, would turn a virtue of such ancient date, into ridicule—Besides, supposing his Lordship accepted your terms—experience has proved, that chance is as often, as much concerned in deciding these matters as bravery—and always more than the justice of the Cause; I would not therefore have your life, by the remotest possibility, exposed, when it may be reserved for so many greater occasions. His Excellency the Admiral I flatter myself, will be in Sentimt with me; and, as soon as he can spare you, send you to head Quarters, where I anticipate the pleasure of seeing you.

It is interesting that Washington mentions d’Estaing here because the two men had a four letter long discussion about the subject. The Admiral wrote to Washington on September 25, 1778, to inquire after his opinion of the proposed duel. Washington replied on October 2, 1778 that until now he had not been aware of La Fayette’s sentiments. To that, d’Estaing replied with a detailed explanation why he is against the duel.

Comte d’Estaing to George Washington, October 20, 1778:

I had the honor of asking you whether you permitted him to send his Cartel to Lord Carlisle to satisfy myself whether you were informed of it—you were so kind as to acquaint me that you had not seen the Cartel1—I thought from that circumstance that you would forbid the execution of it—I am still persuaded that this is the case—Such marks of zeal, bravery and sensibility are never authorised in Europe by its Generals—they might fruitlessly rob the respective nations of their best subjects—Besides, Embassadors, Commissioners and men in office—Are supposed to speak only in consequence of orders which they have received—as public organs they owe an account only to their own government of the things which they hazard—Nations revenge their own injuries—those who have most reason and Strength on their side are the most sparing in opprobrious terms, and despise them—they respect their enemies while they endeavour to subdue them; they surpass them in wisdom when they refrain from such offensive terms; which one would think should be only the useless resource of those who would dissemble their injustice: I could not then but presume that Lord Carlisle would not accept a Cartel, which he would have done extremely well to refuse—Older than Mr de la fayette, the experience which age gives, tranquilised me upon the two subjects which I have just submitted to Your Excellency, and which made me regard the Cartel ’till now as almost null—it appeared to me a consequence of the interesting Character which led this brave and amiable frenchman into the service of the United States—to have entreated your interposition in this affair would have appeared like a doubt of your doing it. the delicacy of my countryman might likewise have been wounded, if it should have been known that your Refusal had been solicited by me—I do not hesitate however Sir to make the request; I am this moment informed that Genl Hancock told Mr de choin yesterday that the English Commissioner had provided himself with a Substitute; can he have been guilty of choosing a bully! it is impossible that you should have suffered a doubtful expression in this cartel, to have had such an effect—This Challenge can only regard Mylord Carlisle and could not have been construed otherwise—Your Excellency certainly will not have suffered it (…)

“To George Washington from Vice Admiral d’Estaing, 20 October 1778,” Founders Online, National Archives, [Original source: The Papers of George Washington, Revolutionary War Series, vol. 17, 15 September–31 October 1778, ed. Philander D. Chase. Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2008, pp. 479–480.] (02/25/2023)

Washington replied on October 24, 1778, that he was of the exact same opinion as the Admiral and that he had just communicated this opinion to La Fayette:

The coincidence between Your Excellencys sentiments respecting the Marquis de la fayettes cartel, communicated in the letter with which you honored me the 20th and those which I expressed to him on the same subject; is peculiarly flattering to me—I am happy to find that my disapprobation of this measure, was founded on the same arguments which in Your Excellencys hands acquire new force and persuasion. (…) I however continued to lay my friendly commands upon him, to renounce his project, but I was well assured that if he determined to persevere in it, neither authority nor vigilance would be of any avail to prevent his message to Lord Carlisle. And tho his ardour was an overmatch for my advice and influence, I console myself with the reflexion that his Lordship will not accept the challenge and that while our friend gains all the applause which is due to him for wishing to become the champion of his country; he will be secure from the possibility of such danger as my fears might otherwise have raised for him—by those powerful barriers which shelter his lordship, and which I am persuaded he will not in the present instance violate.

“From George Washington to Vice Admiral d’Estaing, 24 October 1778,” Founders Online, National Archives, [Original source: The Papers of George Washington, Revolutionary War Series, vol. 17, 15 September–31 October 1778, ed. Philander D. Chase. Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2008, pp. 551–552.] (02/25/2023)

While we see therefore, that d’Estaing was not in favour of the duel, La Fayette would later write in his Memoirs that he had the Admirals full support.

Despite Washington’s refusal to grant La Fayette leave to fight a duel, La Fayette did challenge Carlisle anyway. He wrote to the Earl on October 5, 1775:

Until now, milord, I believed that I would have to deal only with your generals, and I hoped for the honor of seeing them only at the head of the troops which are respectively entrusted to us. Your letter of August 26 to the Congress of the United States and the insulting sentence regarding my country to which you subscribed your name could alone have given me something to clear up with you. I do not deign to deny it, milord, but I wish to chastize it. It is you, as head of the commission, whom I summon to make amends to me as public as was the offense and the denial that follows it will be. That refutation would not have been so delayed had the letter reached me sooner. Since I am obliged to be away for a few days, I hope to find your answer upon my return. M. de Gimat, a French officer, will make any arrangements in my behalf that are agreeable to you. I do not doubt that, for the honor of his compatriot, General Clinton will willingly countenance it. As for me, milord, all terms are good, provided that to the glorious advantage of being born a Frenchman, I shall add that of proving to a man of your nation that no one will ever attack mine with impunity.

Lord Carlisle replied to the Challenge on October 11, 1778 and, as predicted by Washington and d’Estaing, refused to accept the challenge:

I have received Your Letter transmitted to me from Mons. de Gimat, and I confess I find it difficult to return a serious Answer to its Contents. The only one that can be expected from me as the King’s Commissioner, and which You ought to have known, is that I do and ever shall consider myself solely answerable to my Country and my King and not to any Individual for my public Conduct and Language. As for any Opinions or Expressions contained in any publication issued under the Commission in which I have the Honour to be named, unless they are retracted in Public, You may be assured I shall never in any Change of Situation be disposed to give an Account of them much less recall in Private. The Injury alluded to in the Correspondence of the King’s Commissioners to the Congress I must remind You is not of a private Nature, and I conceive all national Disputes will be best decided by the Meeting of Admiral Byron and the Count d’Estaign.

I have to admit that I really, really love Carlisle’s answer! But alas, La Fayette did not. He wrote, rather furious, to d’Estaing on October 20, 1778, that:

Lord Carlisle made me a very tardy reply, in which he escapes by means of diplomatic prerogatives. His prudence even goes so far as to provide for the time when the commission has ceased and I might take up my desire to correct the commissioner. He claims not to be bound to any reckoning of this kind.

While La Fayette was rather displeased with the turn of events at first, he later, in his Memoirs, acknowledged, that Carlisle had been in the right and that it was good of him to refuse the challenge.

That is the context surrounding the proposed Carlisle-La Fayette-duel and the only time that La Fayette actually challenged somebody to a duel instead of just contemplating the thought.

I hope you have/had a lovely day!

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