#god I need to finish Knightfall already 😭 I need to finish my duke powers reading too aaahhhh

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ALRIGHT, Coherent Daytime Randy is Back to Discuss this more in-depth now! (Altho not in-depth enough that I’m okay with y’all reblogging this yet. This is still me musing around and Throwing Thoughts out without any kind of refinement so take this with a grain of salt)

In other words /don’t reblog plz.

@rhonas-indomitable I wasn’t even thinking abt the overlap with the femme fatale trope at the time but ur absolutely right! Putting on my Feminist Hat a bit here, but I think that’s part of the appeal of the misandrist femme fatale, her absolute disinterest in/revulsion for the (cis male) protagonist (& by extension, the author/audience which historically plays to the cis male gaze), which makes her all the more desirable as a Prize to be Won Over. It’s a trope you see across all kinds of media in the 50s-80s (could be argued that it began to be deconstructed a little in the 90s but especially by the early aughts). We still have a ways to go in how we deconstruct the trope and esp if we’re going to apply it/give new weight to its queer undertones.

In the case of Ivy, she’s put most often at implied romantic/sexual odds with Batman/Bruce Wayne. She’s usually shown to be frustrated by Batman’s resistance to her powers and takes an interest to him bc of that. This, and her origin with “romantic” interest Jason Woodrue (heavy quotations), are the ones I see most cited by fans who argue that headcanoning Ivy without romantic/sexual interest in men is bi/panphobic. But I feel that fails to understand that one is a case of forcing a Villain/Hero pairing when several for said hero already exist (& are longer lasting/more meaningful, esp in the cases of Talia and Selina), and the latter was an unbalanced and unhealthy professor/student dynamic that ended with said professor, well, making Ivy into the villain that she is today 🙃

And maybe there’s other instances of Ivy having actual, long-lasting, healthy relationships with men! I’m prepared to eat my words if someone wants to reply/send me an ask with an Issue # so I can read it! (God knows I need to read more Ivy comics). On the other hand too, if headcanoning Ivy as Bi/Pan means a lot to you personally I’m not gonna begrudge you that! You keep doing you! But how I’m choosing to engage with the text & what I’ve read so far (paltry as it admittedly is) feels ripe for a petition to be made for making Ivy fully, unequivocally a lesbian.

(But again, More Research Needed, bc as much as I am an Ivy fan, I have to admit when I’m slacking in reading up on her)

Maybe it’s bc it’s almost 2am too but like....

Ivy’s a misandrist. Like we all know this. We all agree. This is def something that’s been stated to be canon here and there a few times.

And like, headcanon all you want, especially since the text itself has yet to outright label Ivy’s sexuality one way or another. But I think being a misandrist kinda like... would make for a pretty fucking awkward conflict if she’s supposed to be like actually bi/pan instead of just straight up a lesbian idk