#girldad ganondorf

[aikoiya]

Not necessarily. TP, WW, HW, & TotK Ganondorf could possibly have a singular son due to them all having been sealed away for so long.

I mean, so long as the previous male was born at least a hundred years before.

Also:

This is wonderful. Just had to say that.

Also, suggestion: In a twist, the eldest is actually the newest iteration of Zelda.

I'm not exactly in the LoZ fandom. But I just had a random bit of information click and I need you all to understand as well.

Ganondorf is a gerudo. The gerudo produce only one son every... What like 100 years? 1000 years? Doesn't matter. What matters is that if Ganondorf wins his little world domination war and decides to sire a lineage of conquerors and kings, he can only have daughters.

Imagine that. Girl dad Ganondorf. So many daughters. And they're all gerudo, so they are all deeply driven to fit cultural norms. That means Ganondorf is out there buying excessive amounts of very colorful lipstick and other makeup for his daughters. He is having to talk to teachers for the vai and voe classes when his daughters are struggling to learn proper social skills. When ever daughter begs for a pet sandseal, he's going to have to deal with that. And if he doesn't cater to their whims, they will usurp him.

[bigsoftmarshmallow]

Preggo ELady: I actually think it'd be interesting if the kid turned out to be a Voe in the cases of TP, WW, HW, & TotK. Because, all four of them were sealed away for at least 100 years, so it may well be the time for the next Centennial King. Though, I can’t help but think that he’d find himself a bit of a fish out of water, because he likely has no clue how to raise a boy into a man. (Girl? Sure!! He can be a girldad & it's exactly what he'd always expected to be! Even if only until she reaches 5, he thinks mournfully.) Because he typically isn't raised around men. At the same time, I can also see him being… I dunno, excited? But also kinda nervous. Like, he has the unique opportunity to be able to raise a son.

Meaning, his son would have him to explain things to him (which the Dorfs likely didn’t have themselves). He’d be there & he’d understand the things the boy would be going through both socially, emotionally, & biologically. He’d have his dad to prepare him for what it means to be the next Gerudo King. Rather than being born with all that pressure on him immediately. Or simply having him be expected to know everything or figure it out on his own.

(It always weirds me out how so few people seem to really think about just how isolated & alienated Ganondorf likely was growing up.)

GANONDORF AS A DAD WOULD MAKE ME FERAL. Which is hilarious for me, tbh. He would give the world for his children, and no one can convince me otherwise. Girldad, Boydad, He's just happy to have his wife and children.

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How would the Ganondorfs (Wind Waker, Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, Hyrule Warriors, and Tears of the Kingdom) and Demise (From Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword) love most about raising a son? What would they struggle with? What is the best memory he has of raising his son?

Wind Waker Ganondorf

What He Loves Most: Wind Waker Ganondorf would love seeing his son grow and develop his own personality and strengths. He would take great pride in teaching his son the skills and knowledge he himself had to acquire the hard way, ensuring that his boy had a strong foundation for future leadership.

What He Struggles With: Ganondorf might struggle with patience, particularly when his son makes mistakes or doesn’t grasp concepts as quickly as he’d like. He would also struggle with balancing his own ambitions and responsibilities with the needs of his son.

Best Memory: His best memory would likely be the first time his son successfully defended himself in a sparring match, showing both strength and strategy. Seeing the determination and skill in his son's eyes would fill Ganondorf with pride and a sense of accomplishment as a father.

Ocarina of Time Ganondorf

What He Loves Most: Ocarina of Time Ganondorf would love imparting his wisdom and strength to his son, knowing that he’s grooming a future king who will surpass him. He would relish in the opportunity to provide his son with a father figure he never had.

What He Struggles With: Ganondorf would struggle with showing vulnerability and affection. He might find it hard to express his love and pride openly, often masking his softer feelings with sternness and high expectations.

Best Memory: His best memory would be watching his son ride a horse for the first time, mastering a skill that Ganondorf himself excels in. Seeing his son embrace the Gerudo traditions and excel in them would be a moment of deep pride and joy.

Twilight Princess Ganondorf

What He Loves Most: Twilight Princess Ganondorf would cherish the bond he forms with his son through shared activities, like training in combat or exploring the desert. He would love seeing his son’s curiosity and courage develop under his guidance.

What He Struggles With: He might struggle with being overly protective, fearing that his son might face the same dangers and betrayals he has. He would also find it difficult to let his son make his own mistakes, wanting to shield him from any harm.

Best Memory: His best memory would be a quiet evening spent with his son, telling stories of their ancestors and teaching him about their heritage. Seeing his son’s eyes light up with wonder and respect for their lineage would be a treasured moment.

Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf

What He Loves Most: Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf would love the challenge of raising a strong, capable son who can stand by his side in battle. He would take great pride in molding his son into a warrior and leader, seeing in him the potential for greatness.

What He Struggles With: He might struggle with his own expectations, pushing his son too hard in an effort to make him stronger. Balancing his desire for his son’s independence with his own controlling nature would be a constant challenge.

Best Memory: His best memory would be fighting alongside his son in a battle, watching as his boy holds his own and earns the respect of their warriors. The pride of seeing his son become a true warrior would be a highlight of his life.

Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf

What He Loves Most: Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf would love the intellectual and cultural lessons he could pass on to his son. He would delight in teaching him about the Sheikah and Gerudo cultures, blending the two to create a well-rounded heir.

What He Struggles With: He might struggle with allowing his son to follow his own path, especially if it diverges from the one he has envisioned. Accepting his son’s individuality and supporting his unique interests would be a learning experience for him.

Best Memory: His best memory would be seeing his son master a complex piece of Sheikah technology, showing both intelligence and innovation. Knowing that his son can blend the old with the new to forge a bright future would be an incredibly proud moment.

Demise

What He Loves Most: Demise would love the strength and power he sees developing in his son. He would take great pride in raising a son who can continue his legacy and bring even greater glory to their name.

What He Struggles With: He might struggle with expressing any form of gentleness or empathy, often defaulting to harsh training methods. Balancing his desire for his son’s strength with the need for emotional support would be a significant challenge.

Best Memory: His best memory would be a moment of mutual respect and understanding, perhaps after a particularly grueling training session where his son proves his mettle. The silent acknowledgment of his son’s growth and potential would be a powerful moment for Demise.

[aikoiya]

Right?! I adore these little scenes & really appreciate Nintendo for having them in EoW.

It makes me happy!

Hi, I hope this will bring the wholesome!

Holy cow!! This game! I can't! ❤️ Little Romi just gave Zel a four-leaf clover! She said that “Did you know you’ll be happy forever & ever if you've got one of these clovers?” She then went on to say that she gave one to her papa & that he was SOOO happy, then gave one to Zel, telling her that she should give one to her papa too! … I gotta say, they did a great job of writing these kids in this game.

So, I'd love to see the Dorfs receiving such a clover from their daughter. Perhaps they’re confused initially, but accept all-the-same, earning him a bright, sunny smile & an “Nï'āmàl'so, Vōda!” (Meaning, “I love you, dad!” But in a slang way. So, it's more like, “love ya, dad!” Āmàl being the platonic or familial use of love.) Before scampering off saying that, she was going to go help Vàma with dinner. Anyway, I imagine the DorfMisers just smiling, looking at the silly little good luck charm… He contemplates tossing it or something of the like.

What do each one decide to do?

Regardless, I imagine that they go about their day until they catch the word “clover,” only half-listening, until he hears a child all pouty over having not been able to find a Happy Clover. The other children ask why she wanted that, who responds that four-leaf clovers are always lucky, but the Picori Festival had just ended a week ago, so all four-leaf clovers still in the ground become Happy Clovers which are extra extra lucky because the Picori always leave extra treats & trinkets during the festival. Reminding them how in class, the teacher said that if you have one then you’ll be happy forever & ever! (Said elderly lady was also his daughter's teacher, so it was almost guaranteed that she'd heard the same tale herself.) “And it’s the last day until the full moon, when the extra luck will disappear for 100 whole years!!” *note that the child was whining* She then complained about how “It’s almost sundown & the princess stole the last one right from under my nose & those are the luckiest!! She could've gotten another one before, cause she’s really good at finding treasure, so she must’ve waited till the last hour to get the best one!!! Selfish!!!” Keep in mind, it was really just little kid talk, no hatred, just annoyance. Nothing a bit of roughhousing won’t resolve.

In other words, rather than keep such a supposedly fae-blessed eternal happiness bestowing treasure for herself (which, is super huge for kids, remember that), the DorfMisers’ darling Vàlàti (princess) had decided to give it to him instead.

How do they react?

If he tossed the clover, does he go searching for it? If so, how does he feel when he does find it again?

Or if he didn't toss it, is he overcome with relief for his forbearance. (Which, in.the cases of Demise, is likely very rare.)

Regardless of which, what does he do & say next time he sees her standing on a stool as she helps her mother knead buns on her tippy toes with a flour smudged màgdàsha (a type of cooking apron made from linen)? Thoughts, feelings, & what do they do afterwards? Do they watch for a bit? Listen to his wife & daughter chat for a moment? Enjoy a moment of peace & contentment & family & just… love. Perhaps that desire for power & conquest is still there, but maybe for now, with these people… maybe he had all he needed for just a moment…

What then? Which of the Dorfs react by saying the classic, “How are my 2 favorite vaien?” (I highly doubt Demise, but I can absolutely see Hedony doing so.)

I'd love a cute little scene where they interact.

Regardless, when Nemma notices the little clover, she comments, “My! That's quite the fortunate find! I could seal that in resine so it won't wilt, if you'd like?”

Response please?

And, if he asks his vehvï why she didn’t keep such a “powerful” treasure for herself. (I imagine him saying the word with a bit of humor. Maybe some fondness.) After all, many would give anything for never-ending happiness. How does he react to her saying, “I’m always happy, but I see how you look sometimes. And I know that being happy doesn’t come as easy for everyone. So, I wanted you to have it, so we can see you smile more. Kaachan likes your smile & so do I! I know your job's important to you, but taking breaks to be happy is important, too!”

Also, the expression on Nemma’s face is like: 🥹, hand pressed to her lips like this: 🤭 with a tiny, tight little smile of, “Oh my goodness, my heart. It is breaking from the wholesome.”

But, how do the DorfMisers react?  Like, just to the realization that his baby wants wishes eternal happiness for him? Thoughts & feelings? How does he respond?

Anyway, thank you! And I'm glad you're sib’s back at home.

I loved that quest. Its so cute. The King of Hyrule in this game was such a 10/10 dad. I loved the father/daughter dynamics between him and Zelda. <3

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What an absolutely heartwarming and rich scene you've crafted! Here’s how I imagine each of the Ganondorfs and Demise might react to Vàlàti’s innocent and deeply thoughtful gift.

Ocarina of Time Ganondorf

At first, he may be taken aback, almost amused by the clover's "power" as his daughter eagerly hands it to him. He's not prone to sentimentality, so he doesn't give much thought to it until he hears the children’s conversation about the clover’s supposed power to bring eternal happiness. Suddenly, it dawns on him just how meaningful her gesture was, choosing to bestow him with what she saw as boundless happiness. This thought lingers with him as he goes to find her, watching her help her mother in the kitchen. In a rare moment of softness, he places the clover in his pocket, letting himself feel her love and seeing both his daughter and wife as pillars in his life he wouldn’t trade for anything. He might smile and ask, “How are my two favorite vaien?”

Twilight Princess Ganondorf

Twilight Princess Ganondorf would likely scoff lightly at the idea of a “happy clover” at first, not thinking twice as he sets it down somewhere unceremonious. Yet the overheard conversation about the clover’s rarity makes him reconsider, compelling him to find it again, a shadow of doubt flitting across his mind that it might actually carry some significance. When he sees Vàlàti with her mother, covered in flour and happily chatting, he’d feel a tug of something tender and unfamiliar. He might even join in, maybe calling them his “vaien,” although with that characteristic serious tone he never quite shakes. Yet as he leaves, the clover’s weight in his pocket feels like a reminder of the simple happiness he often overlooks.

Wind Waker Ganondorf

Wind Waker Ganondorf, with his connection to the sea and the endless search for something beyond power, would feel an immediate, instinctive warmth when Vàlàti gives him the clover. He listens carefully to the children’s chatter, quietly intrigued, and feels an ache when he realizes she gave up such a valuable treasure for him. As he watches her, his heart fills with pride, especially when he considers her purity and resilience in wanting to share joy with him. He’s likely to watch Nemma and Vàlàti in that contented silence, whispering a soft, “My girls,” before deciding he’ll keep that clover with him, a little beacon of happiness in his journey.

Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf

Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf is initially skeptical of the clover’s “eternal happiness,” dismissing it with a smirk. But after hearing the children’s belief in the clover’s power, he finds himself curiously examining it more closely, his respect for his daughter’s thoughtfulness growing. Watching her help Nemma in the kitchen, he’d feel an unexpected warmth and protective pride, reflecting on her selflessness. He’d keep the clover, reminding himself that her happiness is now woven into his life as much as his ambitions. He might approach them, standing beside Nemma, and murmur, “My two favorite vaien are getting along well, I see,” with a rare softness in his voice.

Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf

Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf would initially seem indifferent to the clover, but overhearing the children would leave him thoughtful, the meaning behind his daughter’s gesture settling deeply. He finds himself seeking Vàlàti out, finding her with Nemma in the kitchen. For a moment, he simply watches the pair, feeling an unfamiliar ache at how she wants him to be happy. He might kneel beside her, tucking the clover into a pouch close to his heart. “Thank you, vàlàti,” he’d murmur, his usual commanding tone softened. Her gift makes him realize he might truly desire more for them than he’d once imagined.

Demise

Demise would likely regard the clover as insignificant at first, setting it aside without a second thought. However, hearing the children's talk would jolt something in him—a glimmer of curiosity. The thought of happiness wasn’t something he ever sought, but the fact that she wanted it for him would leave him unexpectedly stirred. He wouldn’t outwardly show much, perhaps, but when he sees her helping Nemma in the kitchen, he watches a while longer than usual, feeling a new, unfamiliar sense of peace. He might finally grumble, “My two favorite vaien,” more for their sakes than his own, the clover tucked into his gauntlet almost without thinking.

If Nemma offers to preserve the clover, most of the Ganondorfs would be moved, likely nodding with a subtle, “Thank you.” After Vàlàti’s explanation, they might feel a pang of tenderness, the realization that their little girl had thought so deeply and selflessly. And if they ask her why she gave it to them, her simple yet profound response would bring an unexpected sense of humility and gratitude.

Demise, meanwhile, would be especially struck by her words about happiness not coming as easily to him. He’d turn her words over in his mind as though unlocking a mystery, perhaps vowing to keep the clover for reasons he can’t yet name, his normally unyielding resolve softened just slightly by his daughter’s gesture.

[worrywrite]

I'll see your, "he could technically have a son" and raise you a "he gets one (1) son and that son is the most fashion and aesthetics obsessed twink a gerudo voe could possibly be without being a walking stereotype." Bolson. Ganondorf gets the young gerudo version of Bolson as a son. This kid wants nothing to do with combat or conquest or domination. His sisters think he's strange, but respect him for not caving to their dad's demands. He was, after all, raised by his village of mothers and spoiled horribly. He is also the youngest sibling.

I will addend, however, that there are in fact no gerudo left in TP or WW (though I understand that there's some debate for TP), so those wouldn't be possible. I've never played HW, but from what I understand it plays so fast and loose with the lore that it wouldn't be particularly interesting or groundbreaking for that setting.

I'm not exactly in the LoZ fandom. But I just had a random bit of information click and I need you all to understand as well.

Ganondorf is a gerudo. The gerudo produce only one son every... What like 100 years? 1000 years? Doesn't matter. What matters is that if Ganondorf wins his little world domination war and decides to sire a lineage of conquerors and kings, he can only have daughters.

Imagine that. Girl dad Ganondorf. So many daughters. And they're all gerudo, so they are all deeply driven to fit cultural norms. That means Ganondorf is out there buying excessive amounts of very colorful lipstick and other makeup for his daughters. He is having to talk to teachers for the vai and voe classes when his daughters are struggling to learn proper social skills. When ever daughter begs for a pet sandseal, he's going to have to deal with that. And if he doesn't cater to their whims, they will usurp him.

[aikoiya]

So, the boy's basically if Vilia from BotW didn't crossdress.

Regardless, I mean... Considering his dad, it very much wouldn't be surprising for the kid to also be fashion conscious. Though, in this case, it'd obviously be to an even greater degree.

At the same time, though, Ganondorf had also been raised by a village of mothers & spoiled horribly, most likely not having any male conpanions until adulthood, so my guess is that this kid just went a completely different direction about it compared to his father. Possibly even mentally linking masculinity with evil due to how often male Gerudo seem to become warlords & rejecting it entirely as a result. I mean, we don't ever even hear about any male Gerudo other than Ganondorf, which likely results in a deep, crippling fear becoming like him. It wouldn't be surprising if the kid had almost become a saint, possibly even the Hyrule equivalent to Gandi in order to prove that he's nothing like his father & hopefully escape the curse of Ganondorf's legacy. Basically overcorrecting.

Honestly, his singular son possibly becoming either a Vilia, a Link, or the next incarnation of Groose would all be hilariously ironic in their own special ways.

And, yes, the survival of TP's Gerudo has some debate about it, but it really shouldn't be a debate to begin with as FSA is the next game after TP, chronologically, & the Gerudo are alive in it. As such, the only real explanation that I see there being is that the Gerudo simply moved to a different location. Most likely due to what Ganondorf had done previously. It really wouldn't be surprising if Ganondorf's attempt in OoT resulted in Hyrulean prejudices toward the Gerudo escalating.

I'm not exactly in the LoZ fandom. But I just had a random bit of information click and I need you all to understand as well.

Ganondorf is a gerudo. The gerudo produce only one son every... What like 100 years? 1000 years? Doesn't matter. What matters is that if Ganondorf wins his little world domination war and decides to sire a lineage of conquerors and kings, he can only have daughters.

Imagine that. Girl dad Ganondorf. So many daughters. And they're all gerudo, so they are all deeply driven to fit cultural norms. That means Ganondorf is out there buying excessive amounts of very colorful lipstick and other makeup for his daughters. He is having to talk to teachers for the vai and voe classes when his daughters are struggling to learn proper social skills. When ever daughter begs for a pet sandseal, he's going to have to deal with that. And if he doesn't cater to their whims, they will usurp him.