#gillovny is real

[rpfshippingpolls]

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Do you ship it?

Reason:

“They’re insane. They hate each other. They love each other. In the 90s they “spent more time together than with their significant others”. He went as her date to the golden globes on the day she divorced her then-husband, and he held her hand all night. She kissed him before she kissed her then-boyfriend when she won an award. They regularly just made out on set - completely unprompted. The levels of chemistry between them are off the chart. Every photoshoot they’ve done together is completely bonkers. They flirt incessantly whenever together in public. The Jimmy Kimmel interview they did is I think the only reason needed.”

[scullymaxxing]

the real x files

is were they fuckin.

and from my hours of research, scouring countless delusional pro-g*llovny internet users, i can say that you all would make shit detectives. specifically the g*llovny blogs that compare pictures of DA and DD's kids and try to argue that they've have some secret elaborate 30 year long relationship?? theyre not actually the characters they portray, u guys kno that right? right??

ok good.

so basically...

i think DD and GA hooked up in the beginning of filming, before they knew they have to see each other for the next decade (link to website). and then obviously by the time GA was pregnant (beginning of 1993) she was with Klotz. theres a reason most of the msr gifs are from the first few seasons...

Her and Klotz divorced the same year DD and Tea Leoni got married, 1997. The 1997 golden globes (u know the one), was in january.

DD and GA's "dark period" was a year later, 1998, and i feel like they could have regressed in between the time of her divorce and his marriage (this slightly dubious interview from 2002 with GA claims just that) (context: interview transcript with GA, allegedly translated from an italian paper in 2002. even discounting this source, it is not implausible, but definitely left to speculation). they were also filming the movie around 1997-1998, and im certain that they were around each other more than their partners at the time.

Marketing

given that a lot of the DDGA confirmed sources are from magazines, im gonna agree with the claim that DDGA was kind of not that secret at the time, as well as a marketing ploy. anything they said or did in 2008, 2013, 2016-2017 was fully marketing idc. the revival era interviews (including 2008 in this era) do show different stages of DD and GA reflecting on their relationship which is insightful and there are countless interviews where GA kind of hints to stuff, but they were all promos for x files (interviews linked below the cut). they certainty fan the flame, though. and while i am certain it was not by design, their chemistry in the first season, whatever the catalyst may have been, was a saving grace of the show.

the Industry

also, i dont think g*llovny shippers on the Celibacy Website have a realistic grasp on the television/film industry or the business of marketing and publicity. luckily, i go to a college full of people who do just that, and let me tell u, actors fuck each other all the time, and i dont think sex was necessarily sacred or all that deep for either of them... (as with most actors,,, have you ever met a film kid??)

some potential drama given this analysis that i think about:

did GA get with Klotz to make DD jealous, or to move on? or both? GA and DD had a "professional" relationship until her divorce? and then post-divorce was when shit got real...

i also think a big reason to deny the relationship (besides, like the right to privacy as a human being), is because of their timing,,, like she was married and had a kid by the end of 1994, what good would admitting to an affair during that time bring? i dont think DD is the father or anything, but i think even admitting it given the timing would have cast messy implications on DD, GA, Klotz, and/or her daughter.

did DD marry Tea after hooking up with GA in 1997 as an apology and commitment to her, or to move on? the timing is odd if that one dubious excerpt is to be believed, but even without it, it would provide plausible context concerning the catalyst of the Dark Times.

there is the detail that DD and GA announced their divorces on each other's birthdays, which is... a crazy coincidence.

i NEED to know about the "dark times"... i literally can not imagine Hating someone and then being able to look deeply into their eyes. i need to see bloopers or something.

overly specific timeline with sources below the cut (i never said i wasnt as thorough or meticulous as g*llovny shippers, i just said theyre dillusional)

1992: CC writes the pilot, it is picked up by Fox, DD and GA meet at auditions.

sept 10, 1993: s1e1 pilot airs. we can assume they have been filming since or shortly after auditions. They would have known each other and been shooting for at least a few months by the time the pilot aired.

1994: This clip from Entertainment Tonight that i suspect was filmed around the time they were filming S1, in 1993. DD: "ive spent more time with gillian than anybody in my whole life... so, you know, it’s.. you know, you gotta be careful.. somebody could get hurt." GA mouths "me." the whole time GA is trying to suppress some mixed but kind of revealing facial expressions. idk u gotta watch it, but it looks very early on in the series, and is the type of banter that people trying to convince themselves not to fuck engage in.

sept 1994: Gillians daughter is born. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, they probably werent fucking for about nine months before this.nine months before sept would have been around december 1993 by the most liberal of estimates

so they essentially had from whenever they met in 1992 until around the end of 1993, though GA probably would have been with Klotz for a few months before she got pregnant around the beginning of 1994

1994-1995 Interview: (sometime during season 2 filming, post pregnancy): In an interview, around the 8 min mark, GA: "at the beginning we [her and DD] started out very close, and, um, as you work together... things change a little bit. we have a very professional relationship, very business orientated."

post-2003: there are countless interviews with GA where she sloppily evades the questions. 2008 jimmy kimmel interview , 2009 interview , 2014 interview GA: “maybe... there might even be more than an attraction.. but it’s not gonna happen”

personal psychoanalysis of strangers, by a stranger

GA:

2003: in a BBC produced podcast recorded around 2003, GA talks about having lethal depression as a teen and engaging in rebellious/self sabotaging behaviors while in the US. (honestly, it makes sense why scully resonated with queer emos, GA was one!)

1999: excerpt where GA describes her attraction to “dangerous” (ie toxic, avoidant, noncommittal) men and DD definitely fits the bill.

GA’s dating and marriage history is kinda crazy and impulsive in retrospect. of course i know she wasn’t thinking about that as she was living her life but, she makes wild moves.

GA was also so so young and new to the industry. Hollywood is infamous for its coercive business tactics and Gillian sure knows how to play the game. (the crown) or "bc the director liked her".

DD:

2008: DD sex addiction. and he probably thought with his dick and had very lose ideas about relationships for years before he came out with the addition. (like maybe 10 or 20 years of giving into the same self sabotaging behavior patters) tbh he 100% fits the fuckboy profile, he was just a Man in the 90's and none of the gen-z g*llovny sh*ppers are used to seeing a Classic Fuckboy.

u guys guys see too much mulder in DD. DD is an intelligent, rich, NYC jew who went to TWO ivy league schools.... youre a young, handsome, educated actor who just got signed onto his first pilot... thats gotta make a man bold and impulsive.

at present, he is a rich boomer podcaster engaged to someone less less than half his age who looks like a guy who would call me a slur in the street. DD isnt the clever, witty, crimefighting mulder or hank moody or any of his charming characters, hes literally just some guy. same goes for GA, shes just a rich white lady...

[mindibindi]

The Dana Scully Drinking Game (Unofficial 30th Anniversary Edition) 🥃🍷🍸🍹🥂🍻🧉

🥃 - Scully does an autopsy - Scully wears glasses (inc. sunglasses) - Scully writes a report - Scully wears a long overcoat - Scully badges someone - Scully has an umbrella - Scully gets a haircut - Scully cracks wise - Scully eyebrows Mulder - Scully has a bevvy (extra sip if it's alcoholic) - "I'm fine." (or similar) - "Mulder, it's me." - Scene from blooper reels

🍷🍷 - Scully wears flats - Scully sits at the desk in the basement office - Scully asks Mulder where he's going/what he's going to do - Scully with member(s) of Family Scully - Scully's apartment - Scully gets jealous - Scully is flirty today - Scully gazes at Mulder (+ vice versa) - "Mulder, are you suggesting that…"(or similar) - "I'm a medical doctor." (or similar) - Scully gets called into Skinner's office - Scully doesn't wear a mask when she really should - Mulder = "Scully, it's me." - Gillian steps onto her Gilly Box

🍺🍺🍺 - Scully laughs - Scully wears civvies - Scully has a day off - Scully gets to drive (extra sip if Mulder is in the car) - Scully does science (not forensics) - Scully connects with a kid - Scully rescues Mulder - Scully breaks FBI rules - Mulder = "SCCUUUULLLAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!" - Scully kicks ass (physically or verbally) - Scully has a long, rambling, pompous monologue - Anything to do with Scully's crucifix necklace - Someone thinks Mulder and Scully are a couple - Mulder and Scully hold hands 🍸🍸🍸🍸 - Scully has a crush (not Mulder) - Scully has a flashback - Scully wears silk pjs - Scully witnesses phenomena - Scully hangs up on Mulder - Scully loses her shit - Scully loses/regains job - Scllly loses a family member - Scully goes to therapy - Mulder and Scully hug - Mulder first-names Scully - Mulder and Scully are split up

🍹🍹🍹🍹🍹 - Scully is right about the case - Scully gets a tattoo - Scully gets laid (xထ if it's w/ Mulder) - Scully is abducted - Scully has a bath - Scully eats a cricket (sort of) - Scully only had half of a cream cheese bagel for breakfast (and it wasn't even real cream cheese, it was light cream cheese) - Scully ditches Mulder - Scully kisses Mulder (not on the lips) - Mulder kisses Scully (not on the lips)

🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🍾🥂🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾🥂🍾🍾 - Mulder and Scully kiss for fucking real!!!!!

N.B: Drink responsibly. Can be played without alcohol: just replace with popcorn, chips, chocolate, candy etc.

[simon-scowl]

Its 1993, I'm 24 and I've made it to Hollywood, but I don't know it yet. Right now, I'm really in Vancouver, drizzily and humid, sticky sweat never seems to lift off of my skin. I don't remember weather in the UK ever seeming this miserable, though the innocent ignorance of youth tends tint memories rose-colored.

its around 6 am, we just finished shooting. I'm heading to my hotel room, home for the next ten months, and i dont know anyone. Of course, I've spoken to just about everyone in the two weeks we've been here. and everyone here speaks to me like they know me, their eager friendliness and expectation exudes from their pores. But the time waiting for lighting and audio, the time in between takes, is not the place to foster any connections. I had never been around so many people, so many voices vying for my attention, my compliance, yet still felt so alone.

the only person I felt like i knew, felt like i could easily fraternize with, was David- and just barely. Our chance introduction at auditions was hardly the foundations of a working relationship. Still, I couldn't help but hope that maybe our meeting had something to do with me being here, in Vancouver. maybe hope wasnt the right word; why should I feel hopeful that he might have liked me? No, not might have, he tried take me out to dinner after we ran lines. For a brief, sullen moment, I regret turning him down all those months ago, at least I'd have a friend now. bullshit. I got this part because I am a good actress, and I turned him down because I'd seen his type, even fallen for it. Rich, handsome, tall, and well educated. The world was his oyster, and he indulged, undaunted. Besides, I knew even then that he hadn't expected anything out of the audition, he never expected to see me again, which is precisely why he asked me out at all.

I try not to think about what the fuck I'm doing here too much. I try to remind myself that I am a talented actress and as deserving of the part as any other one of the actresses in that hallway. the truth was, David and I did read well together, and his piercing gaze- either a product of earnest delivery or trying to remember his lines- stayed on me well after I walked out the door. Nevermind how Chris looked at me in those first auditions. He was overly friendly to all of us who were auditioning for Scully- I'd have to ask David if our director ever ran his hand down the thighs or backs of the actors auditioning for Mulder. I'd told them I was 27, but the fullness of my cheeks argued otherwise, no matter how hard I squared my shoulders. In the end, it didn't matter; for better or worse, he liked me and didn't care that I was young. i don't linger too long on that thought, either.

its 1993, I am 24 years old. its 7 am, I need a cigarette.

[fringephile]

Falling down this rabbit hole again. Please someone tell me they are secretly married. Like I could die happy then.

David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson 1998 // 2017.

[allthngs]

i’m usually not really interested in famous people and gossip and i don’t ship real people and things like that

so i don’t really care about gillovny but i treat gillian anderson and david duchovny’s interactions like a sociological case study, they’re just fascinating to me, i can never predict what’s going to happen next

[deathsbestgirl]

okay one thing. i really don't care too much what trolls say to me. mostly its funny. but also, do not fucking go into someone else inbox to yell at them about shit i said. that's so childish and werid and bizarre. idc if they agreed with me or reblogged it, what the fuck ever. this is not normal behavior. it's completely irrational behavior. it's also pretty pathetic to get this riled up over my opinion on a podcast. literally my opinion has no real bearing on any of you unless you give me that power, or maybe just that attention. and that's fucking SILLY.

also if you're that mad you probably are one of the people i was talking about. the intense ga & gillovny stans who constantly shit on dd & his podcast & make jokes about addiction. you're actually assholes — most of whom probably can't interact with my posts (:

[baronessblixen]

Why don’t you talk about your real thoughts on David, Gillian and Gillovny on Twitter? Afraid of losing readers on those awful fics you write. You are such a fake clout chaser pretending to like David and Gillovny. I have screenshots of the things you and those space cases write in that Discord group that I’ve been sent.

Best believe one day I’m going to expose you and that group for the things you say in private but not publicly. I can’t wait to see you try to spin this too.

By the way it takes a real special kind of dummy to think that idiot Penguin is a truth teller. I’m laughing because I know you didn’t think someone would be bold enough to expose you and that group.

I know you won’t publish this but you’ll definitely go back to your group shaking in your boots trying to figure out who sent me the screenshots.

On twitter? I barely use twitter, anon. I do use it to post links to my fics, yes, but I don't force anyone to read them. Are you honestly saying I don't like Gillovny? For real??

I don't know why I have to keep explaining this. The reasons I don't say things - as you say - publically, is because this here, is not a conversation. I am not going to put every thought I have in a post and post that. So how exactly am I supposed to say thinks publically?

Why shouldn't I publish this? It's sad, is what it is. That someone thinks they should go around and take screenshots like that. I feel sorry for you, and that person, to be honest. I hope no one ever does something like that to you. Expose me all you want for what I care but leave the other people on that Discord server alone.

[randomfoggytiger]

I'm curious-- no need to reblog or like if you guys don't want drama:

[sixthfinger]

watching the taylor swift and matty healy thing unfold in real time is what i imagine being a gillovny truther in the 90s would've felt like

[tenteen]

After finishing the Americans my only (kidding) takeaway is that the gillovny girls need to get their hands on this show because its what they think real life is like

[antoschauniverse]

https://at.tumblr.com/antoschauniverse/that-liar-saying-they-are-gillovny-i-know-for-a/9dm4krix1qy8

Smart move because Twitter is full of David and Gillian stans who all sing the same song of if their happy with MP and PM than they are happy too. Imagine thinking that a celeb being in a relationship equals them being happy so therefore it makes you happy.

Paying attention to the crazy fans of David and Gillian who support this ridiculous relationship is a waste of time. Maybe these fans have nothing to do in real life, so they spend all their time defending Peter Morgan and David's kept woman. And this makes their life complete, and makes them happy themselves. And where did they see happiness in this relationship? In my opinion, both David and Gillian don't look happy. They are more like artists who play roles that they hate, but they are forced to smile. The most interesting thing will be when both David's kept woman and Peter will be left behind. These same fans will instantly forget about these "partners".

[mindibindi]

The fact that Mulder and Scully never got a well-lit, well-shot kiss unencumbered by obstacles of any variety (be they bosses, babies or broken bones) is made all the more frustrating by the fact that David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson both look like really, REALLY good kissers. DD has played a lot of sexy/romantic roles; "Californication" alone gives ample evidence of his kissing prowess. Gillian hasn't played as many roles requiring make-out skills but she does this thing in "Playing By Heart" where she pulls back from Jon Stewart's mouth and traces his lips with hers.... 😳😳😳 She does a similar thing in the FTF blooper kiss, where she pulls back from David/Mulder and makes his mouth chase hers. She teases him a bit with her tongue before diving in... 🥴🤯🤤 and YES, she is hamming it up for the crew (not us cos we were never supposed to see it GRR). Actually, she hams up that moment more than David, who just plays it straight. That is NOT how Scully would kiss Mulder for the first time. (Maybe for the second time. But even so. Mulder would be like: Wait a minute. Nice girls don't kiss like that. And Scully would be like: Oh yes they fucking do.... And then do it again). Those blooper kisses are ALL Gillian, not Scully. And as grateful as I am that the kisses Gillovny tried so hard to insert into the M/S narrative leaked, I can't even believe THEM as real Mulder and Scully kisses. In short (not that this is news): WE WERE ROBBED. Over and over and over again. Because not only do DD and GA have the most epic chemistry in television history, not only do Mulder and Scully have the most epic love story in television history, NOT ONLY do DD and GA have the most kissable lips in television history, I believe to this day that they also possess the oral skills to elevate a well-lit, well-shot, well-timed, completely unencumbered kiss to the most sensual and satisfying consummation of sexual tension of all time. Only Chris Carter is a puritan so. Here we are. 30 years later.

[simon-scowl]

I'm walking to the hotel and I see her. The glow of dawn coats her in a soft brightness, rare in the rainy northwest. She looks tired clutching her cigarette. I'm weighing whether or not I should say something. The past few weeks have been a work, and despite the hours in costumes, hair, make-up, photoshoots, press, and actual shooting, our meeting in the hallway was still one of our longest conversations. 

“Hey” I say as I approach. She has enough time to react or shoo me away. 

“Hey” is all she says with an exhale. Her expression doesn't change as smoke gathers lazily by her head. Damn… Maybe she’s just tired… Well… I spoke up first, didn't I? 

“Can I bum one?”  

Her eyebrows quirked up, she looks amused. I almost think she’s going to tease me, but instead, she hands me a cigarette and lights the other end as I hold it between my lips. Her eyes don't leave my face and I realize she’s testing me. I inhale and pretend I can’t feel every cell in my body screaming. A small cough escaped on the exhale, and a small smile crept on the side of her face. I let myself a low chuckle, and smile at her, but her face changes quickly back to an air of cool neutrality. Tantalizingly guarded. 

I don't know what to say, I take another drag, smaller this time, and ignore the taste of smoke and tar coating the back of my throat. The burn of the cigarette reminds me of college, and a Pavlovian desire for a drink and a pretty girl tugs somewhere in the back of my mind.

“How are you settling in?” I settle on. “How are you” is too vague, and besides, I was with her all day, I know how she “was”. “What’s wrong” is too direct with too much implication- afterall, we’re really basically strangers. 

She pauses a moment, and then makes a noncommittal sound coming from the back of her throat. “I’m managing” she finally says, looking down to flick ash off the end of her cigarette. She doesn't bear much resemblance to her TV character- besides, well her face- but the blank expression of measured reservedness is trademark Scully. I wondered if I would take on any Mulderisms- or if they already existed within me.

“It’s…” I start- its what? It’s a lot, but that doesn’t seem like enough. “The first time I was on camera, it took half the day for me to get my lines straight,” I started, “and another half for me to actually sell it.”

Her eyes finally meet mine and the small smile creeps back. 

“What was it for?” she asks. 

“Some beer commercial, tasted like shit.”  

A real smile breaks through. 

“Half the day, that’s a lot of takes,” she muses. Shes laughing at me, but I don't mind. 

“A lot of beer,” I feign a grimace, “but I was really brave about it.”

She lets out a half laugh, more so as if a lot of air escaped her, but any tension between us has dissipated. I take another slow drag from the cigarette, silently cursing how much more I had left. This time, I felt the nicotine rush to my head, a drop in my stomach. I let myself sink into the silence and recollect myself. College must have been a lifetime ago, three drags and I can’t think straight? 

“When you auditioned,” she started, “Did-”

“Did I ever think it would turn into anything?” I interrupt, smoke escaping from the corners of my mouth. I pause for emphasis, “No.”

“I knew it,” she said, more vocal now. 

“What?” I was sure I sold my belief and dedication in this brand new network television show, “How?” 

“Guess you're not as good an actor as you thought” she teased, blowing smoke towards the rising sun. 

“Did you?” I counter, “Did you ever think you’d be here, in the rain in front of all those cameras?”

She looked far away for a moment, then, and earnestly, so very earnestly, said “No, I didn’t.”

She looks back over at me, takes in my barely smoked cigarette. “You gonna finish that?” she asks. I hand it over to her, privately grateful. 

“What I was going to ask,” she says in between a drag and holding smoke in, “was if Chris ever made any of the Mulders act out the hotel scene with him in the solo auditions.” 

I realized what she was trying to tell me, weighed what I knew about him against what I knew about her and momentarily wished I still had the cigarette to stall for time.

“Yeah, but we had to play Scully.” I say after a moment. Another small smile and an eye roll as she looked down.

“I really, really didn’t think I’d be here,” she says again, quieter this time. This time when I look at her, I don't see the lively girl in the auditions hallway or the stone faced actress in our photoshoots. She looks young and tired. Overwhelmed, though that might just be a trick of the humidity making her hair look more awry than it was. She would have graduated college just two years ago, I realized with a jolt, and suddenly felt elderly despite myself. I simultaneously decided that I would pay more attention to her and Chris’s interactions. I can’t deny he’d been… over eager, to physically direct me and Gill, but her age and inexperienced hadn’t occurred to me like it did now, in the soft silence of dawn. 

“I know it’s a lot, you’ll get used to it,” I say finally, “you deserve to be here, Gill.” I let my words hang in silence as the smoke from the cigarette rises to melt into the new day.

[whats-a-girl]

Wait!....the gillovny podcast dropped for real? 🤯

would lovveeeee to have your take on the gillovny podcast and your read of their sides of the discussion

I haven't actually listened yet! I will update as soon as I do get it into my brain.

[deathsbestgirl]

me: shipping real people is squicky

also me (@ my wife & girlfriends before we were dating): you’re gonna be dating by the end of this weekend

me about gillovny: how do you NOT ship them. their chemistry is ridiculous