#freelin for ts

[carmen-berzattos]

THEY FUCKING BROKE UP???!! WHAT. THE. FUCK?!! I HATE ALLLL OF THIS

I REFUSE LEAVE ME ALONE THEY ARE JUST HAPPY AND NOTHING BAD HAPPENED.

[hellsbellschime]

Why do people assume Keelin cheated? What if it was her and Freya's decision to start a family and they went the artificial insemination route? I mean we only saw that people find out about her being pregnant not that she cheated. Women can get pregnant other ways 🙄

Or they weren’t together at the time or something.

[curious-scholar]

There's no transcript but basically Klaus was freed and then Elijah and Klaus locked Marcel in a dungeon and Elijah visits him and gives him this ugly ass speech about how he isn't wanted or needed and how he isn't part of their family. Also that Marcel is basically worthless because he couldn't redeem Klaus. Then Marcel says Hope can't either but Elijah responds that Hope is changing him we infer that Hope is basically better than Marcel. Its not outright racist but has so much nasty subtext.

This is the clip of Elijah and Marcel and it is so fucking ugly man. www(.)youtube(.)com/watch?v=ElTQFDSHY4o. As well Elijah is obsessed with Klaus redemption which is strange considering in TVD he literally didn’t fricking care about what Klaus was up to with his evil ways. In TO though Elijah has no purpose outside of being Klaus’ brother and Hayley’s love interest. he literally has no point there anymore other than trying to make Klaus into a fairytale prince. They need to give him a purpose.

I don’t believe redemption is capable for the Mikaelsons or for Kluas. Klaus will always kill people and will always to an extent be evil. After 1000 years of terrorizing the world and killing hundreds of thousands of people you can’t be redeemed or even changed in just a couple of years. Even Hope being the catalyst of Klaus’ change makes no sense to me because Klaus was a father to Marcel and Marcel didn’t change him. Cami helped and he’s growing but I really hope they don’t retcon him 

OMG have you heard of Freelin. That ship is so unbelievably abusive and sick. Freya kidnapped Keelin and kept her hostage and abused her. And then they end up dating and Keelin moves to NOLA and leaves behind her career, friends and entire life to be with Freya. Just b/c their both women doesn’t mean their ship is not abusive. Srsly, be glad your not watching the show anymore.

Thanks for clarifying when I asked for details. I put your comments together because they are all related and deal with the same theme/problems.  

I think if you asked the TO writers, they would argue they’re doing their bit for representation and diversity. After all, they’ve got POC and interracial ships, plus gay characters and ships, right?

…except they aren’t self-aware enough to know that the choices they make with characterization undermine any token efforts to make their show appear diverse. I think the main problem they have is that they really don’t know what to do with their characters. We know their overarching theme is Klaus’ redemption (more about that later), and all the other characters change and regress as required by the plot. Both Marcel and Elijah have flip-flopped from being good guys to bad, and back again. I think Marcel is more interesting when he’s an antagonist to Klaus/the Mikaelsons, and lord knows every time he goes against them he has a damn good reason! But the writers will always want him to be reconciled with his so-called father figure eventually, because they’re (sort of, when it’s convenient) family, and this show beats the viewer over the head with how important family is. Except ultimately, every character other than Klaus is expendable, and the writers will crap all over their development/consistency if it suits their purposes.

I haven’t seen any Freelin scenes, so I can’t comment on the specifics, but I am kind of surprised that the writers built a romance out of an abductor/captive scenario (Stockholm Syndrome, anyone?) in 2017. I thought we had moved beyond that kind of thing. And I wonder if fans will criticize Keelin for existing only as a love interest for Freya. Probably not, because she doesn’t interfere with any ships.

I’m all for Klaus’ redemption arc, but I don’t think the writers have been consistent or convincing in setting it up. Every character on the show talks about how Hope is his salvation, that she has changed him–except she hasn’t really. Maybe in S4 he’s changed a lot (though that’s not what I’ve heard), but he and the other Mikaelsons are still basically ruthless killers who will do anything they want. You’re right about Marcel–it’s kind of a kick in the teeth for Elijah to point out that Marcel had no effect on Klaus even though he raised him as a son while Hope is this miracle saviour.

I have yet to see concrete evidence that Hope has actually changed Klaus. At least when Cami was alive, he stopped to think about the consequences of his actions. Really, Hope (and the concept of family, “always and forever”) is just another plot device to give the Mikaelsons an excuse to keep killing people, except now it’s for “noble” reasons…so you can’t argue against that, can you?

[carmen-berzattos]

Christina Moses confirmed she'll be back as Keelin for the last season.

BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS

[carmen-berzattos]

So is "Julie and Juliet all the way." Freelin's way of saying ILY?

Yes. Yes it is. 

[carmen-berzattos]

I like Keelin and Freya as character but I feel like there's a spark missing. I'm not saying there's no chemistry there but there's just something missing that makes a good ship really stand out

You’re entitled to your wrong opinion.

[carmen-berzattos]

Have you seen what the Freelin sex scene sounds like with no music playing in the background?

No? Is there a version of that??? WANT!

[hellsbellschime]

We can see "Freya/Keelin resolution" so I assume the pregnancy is not a decision they made together since they need to resolve. But maybe I'm wrong and they decide to have a baby together which I think can be a good and interesing storyline

I feel like that could be a good and interesting story line on literally any other show.

[carmen-berzattos]

Riley also said she's excited to see what'll happen between Freya and Keelin next season so I'm hoping people will stop saying Keelin gonna die this season/

YESSSS ALL. THE. FREELIN. 

[carmen-berzattos]

I don't want to offend you but Freelin is super abusive. Just because all other ships are abusive doesn't mean it make Freelin alright. Keelin has absolutly no reason to want to ally with Freya or even be friends with her. Also Keelin left her entire life behind, her career, her friends and her life. Imagine if Freya was a man and Keelin sacrificed her entire life and her former existence for a man who abused her and hurt her. Just because hey're both women doesn't mean its a healthy ship.

First of all, I never said that just because every other ship is abusive it makes Freelin alright. I said all TO ships are abusive. If I were not about to ship abusive ships then I would not ship anything on that show ever. It does not make Freelin alright. It makes Freelin a part of a show about murderous vampires and werewolves and mass killing witches. It makes it a part of a show that had the main protagonist mind rape his love interest for the a significant part of season 1. And the other protagonist fall in love with his brother’s ex under questionable circumstance. It makes it a part of a show that has a ton of co-dependent, incestuous siblings relationships. And yet, ya’ll keep hammering how problematic this is over my head. 

Second of all, don’t lecture me. I’m not a child I know that it’s not a healthy ship. Would you let it go already? I don’t see you all wanting me to put a disclaimer over my love for Klebekah, Klelijah, klaroline, Klamille, klayley etc etc stating that I know it’s abusive. I know that already. Please stop with that already. I’m ignoring asks about this from now on. Honestly, you’re entitled to your opinion I don’t give a damn about it. You’re entitled to your reasons not to ship them and again, I don’t give a damn about them. They’re your business and my shipping Freelin is my business. Stop with the I don’t want to offend you bullshit only to proceed and lecture me as if I’m a child who does not know what I’m doing or what I’m talking about. 

Lastly, I’m aware of what Keelin did. But she also said that NOLA made her feel understood and protected. And, most importantly, if Freya was a man, ya’ll would be dying over this ship. 

[carmen-berzattos]

Carina says there's plenty more Freelin kisses to come and her favorite scene from them hasn't been shown. I love how team Freelin she is and love her even more for being the person who suggested Freya's love interest be a woman.

YESSSS ALL THE FREELINNNN. Bless Carina for this.

[carmen-berzattos]

I honestly can't ship Freya and her girlfriend because of how they started off. It feels too wrong. She basically locked her up and abused her.

I mean yes it’s very problematic but that’s literally every relationship in TO ever so it no longer disqualifies ships for me. Yo, at least she apologized unlike Klaus who never really apologized for Cami for what he did to her in the start. 

[hellsbellschime]

Freelin is not Stockholm Syndrome. SS is a coping strategy that takes months to take over not just a few weeks. It's fine to not ship a ship but using an excuse that really isn't there to back it up is bs.

The incident that Stockholm Syndrome is named for was six days long. 

[carmen-berzattos]

Are we all assuming Freya was too busy basking in her and Keelin's new relationship status to do any saving in the last ep?

Yes. Basking in the .. ahem relationship ;)

[carmen-berzattos]

okay but how cute was that beginning scene with freelin? freya making effort to give keelin some normality and thoughts away from her death with a candle lit breakfast.

Domestic Freelin is life though????????????????? Like so much??????

[carmen-berzattos]

I meant to say this awhile ago but that response you did to the Freelin hate was amazing and very truthful. People just need to let others ship what they want to ship without judgement.