#ffvi talk

[nebuvoid]

FFXV very clearly borrows some things from FFVI. would be a shame not to make use of that for an AU..

[liketheinferno2]

setzer he confounds me

[seepingfrommyskin]

finding joy in the smaller things

Tina and her kids are so dear to me 💔 plus! here we have Tina in one of her concept design outfits because it's one of my absolute favourites!!

[friends-w-ghosts]

Other than storytelling, the one other thing I would be most afraid of Square Enix fumbling in terms of a FFVI remake is the character design (and design in general. But really seriously mainly character design).

I swear.

If I wait 20+ years for a FFVI remake and I’m staring at a cast of mostly the same conventionally attractive people with the same exact face and no real distinct features I am going to mourn what could’ve been and then retreat into the woods never to be seen again.

And I don’t mean they have to look like I imagine them, either. The cast is quite literally supposed to be from all over the world. I want them to look like it. Part of the wonder of FFVI is how vast everything feels (especially compared to the previous FF games), like it really is this entire planet. Even with repetitive assets Figaro feels different from Vector feels different from Doma feels different from Narshe. They feel culturally unique. I want to see that built upon a ton and I want that to bleed into the character design.

This is also important in terms of showing just how far the Empire has reached and how many people they have hurt. Colonialism, imperialism, and militarism is making everyone suffer. It doesn’t matter if you live outside the empire or in it. And that suffering is connected. To free ourselves we need to band together and not just look past but appreciate what makes us and our cultures unique because that’s how you understand the world and people better. Love overcomes hate and all that.

…. So basically there’s a lot of potential to amplify those themes through character design but idk if Square Enix is brave enough.

[magistralucis]

so much has happened. so much is happening. i am speechless

[sunsetzer]

Hot take: I actually love Edgar's constant flirting with every lady he meets because it's hilarious, and he isn't just objectifying them physically, and he isn't a dick about being rejected, and half the time when he flirts with Celes or Terra it feels like he's teasing after it's clear they're not interested, and-

[kiloude-city]

my mans is just standing in the corner menacingly like

[slightly-gay-pogohammer]

gogo finalfantasy is the secret character ever. they canonically have no gender. they live in the belly of a worm. they can't use weapons nor learn magic but they can copy every single spell or attack the other teammates use. they have no backstory. their home and age is "wrapped in mystery" but we know theyre 1.60m. they wear all the other character's clothes. they're theorized to be setzer's ex gf, shadow's ex bf and the evil emperor. they might be the boss from ffv who jumped dimentions via the rift. they're the only character who can't fix the cursed shield. they join the fight against god because they got bored of not mimicking anyone. also they have 0 impact in the plot.

[lockescoles]

Does someone have the video of Locke in Brave Exvius in a good quality ? The one I have is very bad and I’d love to gif it 😭

[nebuvoid]

wait i just remembered THE best overclocked remix. FFVI songs 'Aria de Mezzo Carattere', 'Grand Finale?', 'Overture', 'The Wedding' but its QUEEN-ified. usually i shy away from sung covers but by god this is so well done 💗

[ofengineers]

This man is crazy. Peace and salvation brought by the Divine and by nothing else. Mid prefers a bit more chaos if it means she can keep her free will. Cid fought to make this world a better place, so people can live as equals no matter where they come from. Joshua, Clive and Jill are continuing his mission. They all believe in Cid's cause, and it means so much for the engineer. She's contributing to this too, of course. Maybe she's not on the battlefield, but she keeps working hard to make sure they succeed.

"You have such a pessimistic point of view. Yeah, there will always be bad people. It doesn't mean the rest is not worth saving." She pauses for a short moment as her eyes stay on Barnabas. "What is important is that people can enjoy their life and be free so they can celebrate life and love as much as they want. Through the hardships. Through these bad people. Through it all." Mid doubts a life without free will would even be worth it. Empty vessels. That's what Ultima wants. No more feelings. But what would be the meaning of life without feelings ?

She crosses her arms. She's not that surprised that Barnabas knew about the Enterprise. Cid and him were friends once, a lifetime ago. But her father once trusted him. "He wasn't happy to leave Waloed. He just knew he had to because you had gone too far. He wanted to help the people of Valisthea. Not to destroy them."

" 𝐎𝐍𝐋𝐘 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐃𝐈𝐕𝐈𝐍𝐄 𝐂𝐀𝐍 𝐁𝐑𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐏𝐄𝐀𝐂𝐄 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐒𝐀𝐋𝐕𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍, " Barnabas told her, and glanced at her briefly from the corner of his eye before directing his attention back to the ship in front of him. Its sight transported him back to earlier days when Cidolfus had still been Lord Commander of Waloed. The days when they had shared a single dream. Now, after so many years, it left only a dull ache in his chest he could hardly place. Cidolfus' betrayal had cut deeper than Barnabas had allowed himself to admit to anyone.

The Enterprise, which gently swaying in the harsh breeze, served as a reminder of their different paths. " Man is a greedy creature. Try to unify them in equality, and they will seek to rip out your throat to become greater than the rest. As long as man is consumed by free will, he will never know peace. The Lord knew this. " But his plan was flawed, Barnabas realised now and the revelation had left the man who had lived for a better world free of sorrow and death, empty and even more bitter than before. " Your father disagreed. He always saw the best in mankind and continued the path I have long abandoned. The dream of the Enterprise and an age of technology was the last one he deemed worth of sharing with me before he turned his back to our Lord and left. "

Maybe, he had done so in hopes Barnabas would too abandon the holy cause, even though the king had given his all to the Divine already. A desperate attempt to share fate. Barnabas shook his head. " He told me about the ship that would soar high above the clouds and the realm of men, where only the sinners of Dzemekys have ever sailed. "

[seepingfrommyskin]

i loved you on this day. i love this memory.

[frankenfran]

PLEASE talk as much as you want about final fantasy. Since I already have 3 FF questions, I'll let you choose whatever you want to talk about most

1. I wanna hear what you don't like about XV and XVI (I only know the story of XVI and yeah it has. issues)

2. What do you think about the older 2D FFs?

3. I know there's an insane amount of spinoffs and side stories, so of them all, what do you think is a must-play for someone like me who wants to get more into the series? (I've only played most of tactics, and FF I Advance of all things)

oh goodness well, this probably won't be popular but since you asked... (under a read more because it's fucking long)

1.) as reductively as possible: too much of a focus on men. deeply misogynistic games. it feels like they're a response to the misogynistic backlash to ffxiii. yes ffxiii had plenty of problems but given the culture at the time (which obviously hasn't gotten much better) it kinda felt like a lot of people rejected it as soon as they saw a woman as the protag. the craziest part is she's basically just cloud post transition but mysteriously people think all those traits on a woman are irritating or cringe.

anyway, this is obviously just my own personal feeling but it feels like they went the opposite direction and decided there should be less women going forward. ffxiv is infamous for killing every important female character and ffxv is just a yaoi road trip with minimal female involvement. you'd certainly think there were no women in the game based on the fan art and, unsurprisingly, people loved that. i mean consider the reaction to ffx-2 vs. ffxv. they're both obviously very different games in a lot of ways but one of them is about boys going on an adventure together and the other is about girls doing the same. one of them is considered embarrassing and got tons of backlash from fans contemporarily for being too girly and the other was a huge hit with fans and loved even with its flaws. it's worth noting ffxv was also originally a ffxiii spinoff that became it's own thing so. that's also information.

ffxvi is even more egregious in some ways but ill admit a lot of those are mostly personal. it's fucking ugly and dull and i would not know it's a final fantasy game if it weren't for the ill fitting chocobos in some trailers. i know it's ironic for me to say that considering i praised ffix for looking unlike any other ff game but they went in the wrong direction. it's clearly inspired by prestige western fantasy slop like GoT and the witcher and unfortunately those are the exact things i do not want in fantasy. some people like that and that's fine but it's clearly not for me.

anyway, iirc the writers from ffxiv worked on this and from what ive seen it shows in the worst ways. these are the writers who couldn't introduce a woman without killing her off so already off to a bad start but. it's punching above its weight class. it's trying so hard to be a epic grizzly dark fantasy but it just falls so flat. they say fuck all the time in the same way that one dmc game everyone hated did. im sure there's some amount of nuance that gets lost in translation but the only woman in the amount of the game i saw was, quite literally, an evil screeching harpy manipulator. which is not like, something im against obviously as a lover of women but for that to be the only woman in the first like. 10+ hours of the game? come the fuck on. maybe it gets better i honestly don't know. and i don't think i ever will because what i saw of that game was so immensely disappointing that im not sure ill ever bother.

i have plenty more i could say about both games but ive said soooo much already and honestly i can't imagine the misogyny website would particularly enjoy even more of my "misandry" lmfao. in short:

2.) i really enjoy the older 2D final fantasies but ive only really played a chunk of ffvi and the original ff. some day ill definitely give them a go! i feel like the ff fan equivalent of a zoomer for loving almost everything from ffvi onwards and not having much to say about the older ones but. the biggest barrier for me is the same one i have with the older dragon quests. they're not particularly hard or anything but they expect you to grind. a whole lot. if i was a kid and my only game was ffiii id be on that grind but it's a bit harder as an adult who can like. just do anything else. i even like grinding and getting into that flow state but i haven't been as much in the mood for it these days, or if i have it's been for different games. ill definitely get around to them eventually though. young immortal mindset as ive said before. watching my gf try and play through them did sort of make me want to give it a spin even with her furping.

3.) honestly you're already off to a good start! tactics is well beloved for a reason and it's probably the most recommended spinoff. id also highly recommend tactics advance. it's not as like, dark and serious as tactics but the style and gameplay and story are all executed nearly flawlessly. it's a favourite of our beloved princess nettlebloom and that's reason enough! definitely finish tactics first though. hmm... if you play ffxii and also enjoyed tactics advance then give FFXII: revenant wings a try! it's a weird RTS type game but it's in the style of tactics advance and very cute. definitely not for everyone though.

it's really far from essential but if you can somehow manage to organise enough people for it i highly recommend giving crystal chronicles a try. it's really fun with other people and it's close to ffix stylistically so im a big fan. maybe try dissidia if you want a silly fighting game? kebs seemed to enjoy stranger of paradise quite a bit and it seems like mindless action game fun so maybe give that a look if it interests you. honestly the spin-offs cover such a wide range of genre and quality that it's almost hard to have cohesive opinions on them lol. but i hope that helps in any way!

thank you for asking though and sorry for the wall of text! i genuinely suck at being concise and getting my points across but hopefully you could decode some of this madness lol

[ff6webcomic]

Pg.254 - I wanted to explore more the relationship between the characters - in this case, Celes and Terra knowing each other for a long time!

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[teal-deer]

Oh my gosh @friends-w-ghosts this ties into my deep desire for an FFVI sequel game where 20-ish year old Gau and Relm go off on their own adventures. I wanted it to be a bit like Pokemon, with them going around collecting information from creatures to upgrade their powers.

You actually just put an even cooler angle on it for me -- that they're doing this as ecological research & recovery! Gau being now the Irwin family esque expert who is wrasslin a croc, with Relm safely far away but gleefully sketching and saying things like "Can you get it to open it's mouth real big? I need a better view of the teeth!"

Some of my other concepts were that there's some big political Stuff going on just out of focus, but similar to the first disc of FF8, these barely out of their teens fools aren't paying attention and are busy tracking down a rare insect. I also wanted to use it to look more critically at elements of the ending -- was removing all Esper magic from the world really a net good? Like it or not, Espers were part of the world, too. While perhaps many species that were decimated in the World of Ruin are returning, many others perhaps are going extinct in the aftermath.

Here’s my take on Relm and Gau ~10 years after the end of the game.

Relm’s color palette is always the hardest to make work but I think I did it. I enjoyed coming up with an outfit for her otherwise because it’s just always fun to make some detailed outfits just for the hell of it.

Gau’s I tried to keep simple but also reference back to Sabin and Cyan quite a bit. Just changing how much of each color there is in his color palette also made him look more like the soldiers in Figaro, which wasn’t even intentional but it works.

But beyond design ideas here’s what I was thinking about Gau in general a bit after FFVI:

I feel like he’s old enough in FFVI to remember and hold on to a lot of his connection to the wild and at least some habits.

To better word a previous comment I can see him staying around South Figaro as a home base to be near Sabin, Cyan, Edgar, etc. but also spending a lot of time traveling basically anywhere and everywhere to help restore some of the ecosystems and wildlife that was damaged by Kefka (and also the Empire before it fell apart. But mostly Kefka specifically).

That just feels like it’d be a good balance of being around family but also not being confined to one place. I mean even in FFVI itself he leaves and stays with monsters in the Veldt before coming back after a bit.

As for his future after that, I’d have to keep thinking. I’d love to hear anyone else’s thoughts as well! I honestly love thinking about this and if I’m able to come up with some sort of plot I think it has short comic potential.

Also a quick sketch of Gau as an accountant (differentiated from any other office job because there’s a calculator) (EDIT: clarification that this is a joke he’d lose his mind at any type of even relatively indoors job lol. Especially an office job. He’s probably just doodling stuff rather than doing any work ngl)

This whole post inspired by this short convo:

[sunsetzer]

Edosetzu feels like the kind of relationship that would start as a casual friends with benefits situation but they would accidentally develop genuine feelings for one another and both have their own crises about it, because they don't want to make things awkward and ruin what they have already.