#fell dreemurr siblings

[coreschristmasparty]

hey horns... you kinda look sad. how r you doing?

Horns: Huh? You noticed?

I guess... I'm not doing too well. Sweets and I...

we managed to get revived.I don't know what will happen after this party...will we go back to being dead?

Will I go back to being who I was, helping only because...the only thing I could feel...was guilt?

Horns: This entire time, I've been thinking...they died because of me.

They have no clue. And I don't know if I even want to tell them.

Part of me knows I should. I want to tell them, own up to it...Fri- Ballin called it an 'apology'. But... I'm afraid. Not that they won't forgive me, no.

I'm afraid that they will.

Because I don't deserve that.

[abandoned-quiche]

"□... □, wake up!"

□ blearily opened their eyes, and a fluffy monster came into focus. Ah... it was □□□□□□.

"□! You fell asleep in the soil again..." They sat up. That's right... they were pulling weeds in □□□□□□'s garden. They must have collapsed from exhaustion. □ had been doing this ever since they started gardening with □□□□□□ - or, "Mr. Dad Guy," as they had taken to calling him.

"□, I'm... I'm worried about you. You keep doing this!" Was □□□□□□ really tearing up? Already? God, what a crybaby. It's not a big deal. They just got exhausted, is all. It happens all the time.

"Mom says... mom says it's unhealthy. That you're working too much." Mom? As in □□□□□□? □ scoffed. What does she know? She's not carrying the weight of the future of humans and monsters on her back. All she cares about is coddling her kids. Besides, heaven knows she does the same thing, anyway - collapsing on the pavement from the weight of it all. □'s health should be the least of her concerns, let alone their own.

"I'm fine," □ rejected □□□□□□'s concern. □□□□□□ looked down at them for a few more moments, before dejectedly walking away. Finally. He shouldn't be wasting his time on a horrible sibling like them. Maybe he was finally starting to understand how awful they really are. Maybe he was finally starting to understand... what it really meant to be "human."

□ was snapped out of their thoughts by the sensation of steam brushing across their face. They opened their eyes to see a mug of golden flower tea, their favorite. In their favorite mug, the one that looked like a fish. Filled to the brim, just how they liked it.

They looked up to see □□□□□□ fidgeting nervously. God, they couldn't stand to see him like this... reluctantly, they picked up the mug, blew on it, and took a careful sip.

"...Thanks." they uttered, looking up at □□□□□□ with a tired smile. □□□□□□ shakily smiled back and offered his hand to □. □ accepted his hand, allowing themself to be pulled up from the ground. □□□□□□'s hand was hot, and seemed to be blistered - he must have spilled some hot tea on it trying to transport such a full mug to □...

...Maybe they were being too harsh on him earlier.

...God, they really were an awful sibling, weren't they?

[carlyraejepsans]

Do you have a timeline for when you believe the humans fell underground (including Chara + Frisk)?

Well not necessarily anything specific. just a few things that mark some VERY wide margings for what i have in mind

Chara fell in 201X, as per the calendar with the circled date.

This was after the Dreemurrs (and thus monsterkind in tow) already left Home to explore the rest of the mountain and settled in New Home. This is deduced by the wall writings in Waterfall, which bemoan the underground's inaccessibility, saying there's no way a human could ever make its way down there.

So New Home already existed (or was soon going to be founded, if the plaques were written while the monsters were still exploring) before any human had fallen into the Underground at all.

However! The childhood room in Home is referred to as Asriel's room in both the game files and in the art book (the screenshot is from the Home segment of the book)

Which would mean Asriel was born close enough in time to the monsters' banishment to be alive when they migrated further into the caverns (and to already have personal interests, like astronomy), and that he was likely snooping around his previous home in the RUINs by chance when he found Chara.

I think Chara spent a LOT of time with the Dreemurrs... but less so chronologically. They likely had reset powers like all humans who fall into the Underground as a consequence of their high DT (from the Undertale Legends of Localization book):

(I actually think this was the intended implication with their inappropriately light approach to death and pain, ie: laughing in that one videotape about making Asgore sick), so I like to think that, while they obviously stuck around for a long time, they techincally were only with the Dreemurrs for 1, maybe 2 linear years. Which would explain why they seem... hesitant to call them their child/sibling. From their perspective, it was too soon for those words at the time. Either that or Chara was uncomfortable with familiar terms for whatever reason. I tend to ping-pong between the two.

Chara dies and so does Asriel -> Asgore cringe comp -> Toriel bails.... And then bam, the next humans start falling down.

l think the entire affair took centuries in total. Surely a lot of time, enough for most commonplace monsters to have no idea what a human looks like

At LEAST one century, that is, but that is the barest minimum. There's this one line in the date with Sans at MTT resort when he's talking about his first meeting with Toriel:

Now I'm not saying Sans is aware of what's going on or that this makes incanon sense, but knowing UT's propensity for tragically poetic irony, this feels like one of those occasions.

I in my personal chronology, the humans fell either 1 or 2 per century, putting Toriel's exile between 300 and 600 years long.

The order? uhhhhh. dw about it

Thus, Frisk falls down in 2X15. Monsters are freed, everyone is happy. Yay yayay ^_^ yippee. The End.

[autisticsupervillain]

It's Fictional Throwdown Friday!

This Week's Fighters...

Siffrin vs Asriel Dreemurr!

Conditions:

Act 5 Final Boss Siffrin vs God of Hyperdeath Asriel.

Scenario:

Asriel begins to reset time in an attempt to regain his childhood with Chara. This pushes Siffrin into the full depths of their mental breakdown, as he refuses to let his experiences with his family be erased.

Analysis: Asriel

Long ago, two races ruled over the Earth: Humans and Monsters. Then, one day, a war broke out between the two races and the Monsters were sealed underground by paranoid Humans. It wasn't until years later that a human ever saw a monster again.

This Fallen Human, named Chara, was found by the young Prince of monster royalty, named Asriel Dreemurr. The two quickly forged a close sibling bond as the Dreemurrs adopted the child, getting up to all sorts of mischief and play. Chara grew to sympathize with their new Monster family and hatched a plan to set them free from the caverns of Mt. Ebott.

Chara would poison themselves by eating some beautiful flowers and then have Asriel absorb their soul. Asriel would use his newfound power to cross the barrier that sealed monsterkind underground and gather the souls of six other humans to destroy the barrier completely, freeing monster kind. But... Asriel could not bring himself to take a human life when the time came and instead put his friend's body to rest in their home village. The Humans saw Asriel carrying the body and assumed he killed her. Even if Asriel had been willing to fight back, Monster bodies are weak against the killing intent of a human. Asriel had barely enough to strength to make it back to his home before his body turned to dust.

This dust landed on a glorious golden Flower, which was experimented on by one Dr. Alphys. Alphys injected the flower with an element known as Determination, a component of a human soul that could control time. Resurrected without any of his emotions intact, Asriel fell into dispair. He took the name Flowey the Flower and set about using his newfound ability to SAVE and RESET the timeline to torment the Underground, basking in his new philosophy of Kill or Be Killed.

One day, a new human fell into the Underground. Frisk, the last human soul needed to break the Underground's barrier. Flowey would use them as a pawn to absorb the six human souls that his heartbroken father had collected in his grief stricken rage, before then absorbing the Souls of all the monsters in the Underground.

Asriel was reborn as a God and he would use his new power to relive his idyllic childhood forever. Reset everything to Zero and have it all over again.

As a Monster, Asriel already had the ability to directly attack, destroy, and even absorb human souls, but when he became Flowey, he became something that was not quite a Monster either, giving him the ability to destroy Monster souls as well. As such, unless and entity has the ability to resist one directly interacting with their soul, he could easily absorb or destroy it in one blow with any attack. All Monster attacks are known to effect the soul directly.

Avoiding said attacks is easier said than done, due to the wide variety of them at his disposal. While they might be named childish and immature things like Hyper Goner or Giga Blaster, they are still Bullet Hell attacks with a very wide spread and the potency to potentially end the entire world. His Hyper Goner attack, for instance, casually erased an entire timeline and that was before he ramped up to using his full power.

Moreover, his Determination can override the time powers of other people. Even Omega Flowey was strong enough to completely erase Frisk's save file and prevent them from saving the game. Asriel is far stronger than him by this point and could very easily reset you back into an attack and just... kill you over and over again. Or reset the entire timeline so that you never existed.

Asriel is easily the most powerful thing in the entire underground, but the power came with an unexpected boon. He could feel emotions again. Moreover, he could feel the love of all the souls inside of him again. Not only could the souls within him turn against him... they could remind him of who he once was.

Asriel was Asriel again and he felt all the pain and grief that he'd been unable to feel for years crashing into him all at once now. Asriel's god-like form faded away and revealed who he truly was. A scared, traumatized child balling his eyes out and desperately wishing to see his friend again.

So, Asriel processed the grief and he let himself move on. He shattered the Underground's barrier and let all the souls within him go free. He would fade back into Flowey again soon, emotionless and cold again... but he could finally let his family move on.

Analysis: Siffrin

The journey is nearly over. The Heroes of the land of Vaugarde have arrived at their last stop. The King plans to freeze the entire Kingdom in time forever and only these five plucky heroes stand in his way. Mirabelle, the Chosen One, once a mere Housemaiden at the House of Change, handpicked by the Change God themself to save the day. Isabeau, the Fighter, a former Defender who quit his job in protest of his cowardly coworkers to help save the land. Odile, the Researcher, from the far away land of Ka Buan, researching a mysterious subject. Bonniface, the Kid, a plucky preteen hoping to rescue their sister from being frozen in time. And Siffrin, a rogue with a mysterious past that even they don't remember. They're the only ones who stand between Vaugarde and its eternal fate. Their battle tomorrow will decide the fate of everything.

As such, Siffrin immediately dies from a rock. Well, that was quick.

Siffrin wakes up at the start of the previous day again, with all his memories in tact. As it would seem, he's stuck in a time loop, repeating the final battle forever until they defeat the King.

Luckily, Siffrin has all of the skills he needs to carry their team to victory. Despite his missing eye, Siffrin is the fastest of the team, keeping a keen eye out for traps and treasures and leading the group through dungeons. Combat in this world functions on the basis of Rock, Paper, Scissors. Literally. Due to their bladed weapon, Siffrin is Scissors aligned, being highly effective against Paper foes and weak to the blunt force of Rock attacks. Despite this, he does eventually gain the ability to use attacks aligned with Rock and Paper, giving them full coverage in combat.

In a fight, Siffrin knows sufficient Craft spells to allow them to speed up himself or allies, lower enemies attack and defense, heal allies, and allow himself or others to temporarily heal overtime. This is all culminates in Siffrin's ability to keep his memories and get stronger from loop to loop, gradually growing stronger over constant retries until he's completely outstripped his teammates.

With literally infinite tries available, it was only a matter of time until Siffrin and his found family defeated the King. But, that's not where it ended. He looped again without his consent and woke up the previous day. Now completely at a loss for what to do, Siffrin would gradually go insane repeating the past two days over and over again. Trapped in an eternal prison only he's aware of that not even death can save him from.

As it turns out... the true architect behind Siffrin's misery was the forgetten magic of Wish Craft.

Craft is the magic system of this world, through which one literally Crafts the target into the shape of their own will. Body Craft crafts your own body, while Time Craft crafts time. This ability is reliant on the user's own power, rendering certain feats impossible simply because no mortal being could possibly muster up the energy required. Hypothetically, using Time Craft to stop time for even a single second would kill a person instantly from sheer exertion.

This is where Wish Craft comes in. Wish Craft, well, crafts wishes and calls upon the full power of the Universe itself to grant them. That's how the King can stop time, by being empowered by the very Universe itself.

Now, Wish Craft can do some pretty ridiculous things. Things such as turning people into sentient stars, creating perfect doppelgangers of people with all their memories, erasing all color from the universe, and even erasing entire countries from existence so hard no one can ever remember they existed.

Such is what happened to Siffrin's home country. One day, Siffrin just woke up without a home. No past, no name, no family, nothing. Being found by Mirabelle and joining her on her quest was the only purpose in life he could remember. They were the only family he had left.

So, Siffrin made a wish. Wishing that when the journey was over, he wouldn't have to leave his family behind. The Universe combined this Wish with the Wish that Vaugarde be saved by the heroes and trapped everyone in a time loop. Now the heroes will always save Vaugarde and Siffrin will always have their family. Forever.

As the time loops are centered around Siffrin, they respond to his ever deteriorating sanity as Siffrin tries to escape his unknowingly self made prison. Stuff like Siffrin's memories impacting reality. Siffrin can use their memories from each time loop as equipment for various different effects. Memory of Sadnesses causes foes to run in abject terror of them and Memory of Emptiness can resurrect him the instant he dies and bring them right back into the fight on the spot. Siffrin can even give up his memories to fast forward through time, provided he's already lived through those events.

As Siffrin dissociates from reality, reality itself breaks in response. Anything that violates the mandate "Save Vaugarde" and "Keep Siffrin with family" resets on the spot, be that death, non-lethal incapacitation like getting put to sleep or frozen in time, or even an action that permanently damages his relationship with his family. Undone. Gone. Reality itself begins rotting. Ghostly versions of Siffrin from past loops appear and dissipate. People get trapped in time loops of repeating the same dialog or trying to exit the same room over and over. Memories of the past overlap with reality until Siffrin can't tell what's real anymore.

As the time loops run on Siffrin's own raw power, amplified by the universe as it may be, he's constantly starving as a result of sustaining it. Eventually, he can barely even stand.

In the end, Siffrin's power transforms him into a giant starry monster, passively eating stars out of the sky as his raw power threatens to end all reality. In a grueling confrontation with his own family, Siffrin breaks the universe so hard color starts to exist again.

....Really, the final fight here is just the final battle of Undertale from Asriel's perspective, huh?

Thankfully, Siffrin does not blow up the world. An emotionally fraught conversation with his family, reassuring him they’d never abandon him, calms them down long enough to burn out all their Wish Craft. With their Wish technically fulfilled, a content, freshly traumatized Siffrin vows to continue traveling with their family. Putting the demons of their past behind them.

Siffrin will never be able to return to the home he lost. That's just a simple fact. But after this fraught journey across Stars and Time, Siffrin can find a new home, with a new family. Here. Now.

Throwdown Breakdown:

This is pretty blatantly the most thematic fight we've ever had on this show and I'm comfortable in saying that it's actually fairly close.

Seeing as how these two break time just by existing, speed more or less equals out. Though Siffrin would have a slight edge from speed amps as the fight wore on. Attack power, however, is a different story.

Now, I was gonna go into detail examing how many loops Siffrin and his counterpart Loop have likely created in order to make an estimate for how big the In Stars and Time universe is and how many timelines it has.... but the creator in a Q&A says no.

One timeline. One universe.

Undertale meanwhile, is more up for debate. With no official statements on how big the universe is, Asriel could be destroying as many as 6 or 100 timelines depending on how you interpret certain lore, such as the different SAVE files and the various FUN values. This would give Asriel an exponential advantage in strength, far beyond what Siffrin's ability to manipulate stats would compensate for.

Though, even if Asriel is interpreted as strong as possible and one shots, Siffrin would just time loop straight back. The King learned that the hard way. Or didn't learn it because it got Time Loop- you get it.

Asriel's Determination wouldn't likely interfere with Siffrin's loops. Determination users may be able to override each other, but that's moreso just because that's how Determination works. Wish Craft is a different power source entirely, one granted to Siffrin externally by the Universe. As such, Asriel, say, keeping Siffrin from moving as he did Frisk or destroying Siffrin's soul would just get looped away.

So, could Asriel simply run out the clock until Siffrin burns up all his Wish Craft with hiw own time powers. Definitely possible, but I do see a few things in Siffrin's favor.

1. A solid skill advantage. In the epilogue, Siffrin goes to visit their sole companion through the time loops, named Loop. Loop reveals that they're actually a previous version of Siffrin who never got free from the time loops and now they want to steal his happy ending.

Siffrin no longer had Wish Craft. He could not loop. Loop still could, indefinitely. And Siffrin was fresh off of nearly working themself to death just sustaining his power in the final battle. Despite this, Siffrin won simply by beating Loop over and over and over through sheer skill alone that they completely gave up.

Combine that with Siffrin's experience traveling with the party leading up to In Stars and Time and Siffrin has a definite advantage. Asriel's experience in combat amounts to tormenting the exact same people over and over again with no real risk of failure because he could always just reset. That's a stark difference.

2. Fear. Memory of Sadnesses allows Siffrin to passively instill fear in his opponents. Asriel, particularly at this point, is susceptible. Not only does he have no resistances to emotional manipulation, but he's just now feeling emotions for the first time in years due to finally having souls again. In that particular headspace, supernaturally instilled fear has a high likelihood of being devastatingly effective on him. After all, we see how badly Flowey reacts to suddenly being able to feel fear after all this time in the Genocide Route. Unlike Frisk, who is the Player's puppet, or Chara, a kinda abstract demon ghost thing by the end of the Genocide Run, Asriel has no defense.

Siffrin, meanwhile, has gone completely off his rocker by this point in the story. His desperation to keep his family and escape the time loops has peaked, so they annihilate anything in their way with ruthless efficiency. Since Asriel is a direct threat to their family here, that malicious intent, when combined with his faultering Determination, will be very effective in wearing the God of Hyperdeath down into the terrified child Asriel is deep down inside.

So, in other words, Siffrin wins by being such a terrifying monster it breaks Asriel's will to fight entirely. Exactly the kind of monster Siffrin fears that they are deep down, further fueling his desperation to hold on to his family and making the events of Act 5 even worse. No one wins and everyone is unhappy with this outcome.

This Throwdown's Winner(?) Is...

Siffrin!

[bamthefox]

you have heard of A otherswap you probably even heard of a Anotherswap but get ready for the peakest au A DIFFENT SWAP!!!! (started as a take on a sans and frisk swap but turned to this)

heres some small character info if needed

sans: the 9th human to fall, he doesn't remeber much on his past life or why he fell.

flowgore: a really depressing flower who tries to acts nice but he just wants it back, it all back before they fell.

chara: the monsters in the ruins don't know much on them but they always seem to protect the monsters there.

frisk, frisk the frog (my favorite design so far): a mute frog who lives with their sibling building traps, despite their looks and lack of warm blood their usually the kindest and warmest monster in the room.

M.K.: what does M.K. stand for well wouldn't you like to know, a rookie guard member who try's to ack a like super hero making a lot of plans to capture a human when they come.

THE GREAT PAPYRUS: A YOUNG PUZZLE GENIUS WHO HELPS THE EVER SO LOST AND LAZY HUMAN THOUGHT OUT THE UNDERGROUND.

capt axe. Susie: despite her whole imitating demeaner she truly doesn't want to kill anyone, by peer pressure she became the caption.

doctor noelle holiday: the royal scientist very tried mainly from over working herself and trying to be a help to everyone. has seen what happened to the royal family.

Asriel dreemurr: the reluctant king of the underground his misses the old day but pushes forward for his people. one day a human fell down the second one this was the worst day in asriel's life.

[the-uncursed-one]

Awwwwww, they’re adorable!!! 🥰😍❤️😊 My favorite beans are playing around and having fun! 🥹 Its always a beautiful thing to see them smiling and laughing; they have such a sad and tragic story, and seeing them happy just fills my heart with joy! 😁😊

Excellently drawn! I love this in every way!

[the-fabled-void]

Once again remembered this song and had a realization

Warning Dreemurr sibs angst ahead

The Dreemurr siblings. Post-genocide Chara talking to Flowey

I mean. Hello???

"Oh, brother of mine /It's been a long, long time / Since I've seen my face in your eyes" this is not just about the time that passed since their death, but about Flowey and how the only thing he sees is this twisted caricature of who Chara used to be

"Oh brother, I've returned / To my burn scars of birth / Charcoal and iron brought me back"

They returned. Both to the flowers on the surface, their own death brought them there - but also to life, in the no mercy route, thanks to the human's actions

"And I watched the burning grow as my hair filled with grey / From the ashes that fell / The mountains I knew so well"

I imagine Asriel died while still carrying them. His dust didn't spread on just the flowers, but his sibling too

"Oh brother, I see / You burn like me / The singes on our skin like a brand"

Soulless siblings gang, both fucked up by something they never wanted to happen

"Oh brother, I confess / There is little of me left that could care about dousing the wildfire"

Chara is beyond caring anymore. They'll continue letting the human complete their mission. It's too late now to do good anyways.

"Brother, I watched the sky burn / And all I learned was smoke fills the lungs like a disease"

Maybe they learned about the apathy that comes with what's being done to monsters

"Oh brother, did you know / You could just strike a match? / Hear him scream my name one last time"

"Oh brother, I am home in the fires of our youth / I could care less if it hurts you anymore"

They start in the Ruins, in Home, which they used to live in. Flowey 'recognizes' them there. They see themselves in the mirror. They go to New Home, where Asgore resides - with the way everything is there, it's almost like they're young again. And yet, that's where they strike Flowey down.

[coreschristmasparty]

SWEETS!!!! how r u and Horns doing?

Sweets: We are doing alright, everything is excellent!

Horns: Yeah...

[madbard]

Because I must linger on every tragedy I encounter in media, I was thinking about what Chara and Asriel’s lives would have been like if they had lived.

Maybe they never came up with the buttercup plot, maybe someone figured out what was happening in time and stopped them - whatever changed to make this possible, let’s say Chara and Asriel both made it to adulthood.

First of all, I think Chara definitely would have joined the royal guard. Even setting aside the fact that the average human is far stronger than any monster, Chara has… mixed feelings towards humanity, to say the least. The Dreemurrs became their family, the Underground became their home. If then were willing to give up their life to save their family as a child, they would absolutely be prepared to put their life on the line to protect their home as an adult.

Now, this may not have been an easy ride for them. At this point, Gerson would have been captain of the royal guard and I doubt he would have given them trouble because of their human heritage, but I can’t say the same for the other guards who joined to defend their home from humans. However, considering that in this world Chara would have been publicly raised by the Dreemurrs, general opinion of humans in the Underground would probably be significantly higher. Chara, at least, would almost certainly be seen as “not like other humans.” This, combined with their own seeming distaste for humanity, also makes me think that Chara would have eventually adopted accessories and clothing that made them appear less human, whether that meant Undyne-like armor or Kris-like horns. Due to their strength and (likely) ability to reset, Chara would have quickly risen in the ranks of the royal guard. Any human who fell during their career would have been hard-pressed to get past them, and they probably would have been instrumental in collecting several souls. However, considering that Gerson would have been much younger at this point and not yet ready to retire, I don’t think they would have ever made captain.

Meanwhile, Asriel would have grown, while Toriel and Asgore aged. Without the deaths of their children and Asgore’s declaration of war on humanity, I think they would have stayed together (what, non-divorcee Asgore? Couldn’t be). Eventually, Asriel would have been crowned king. I think this would have been another crossroads for the siblings. Near the end of Toriel and Asgore’s lives, Chara likely would have realized their parents may die without ever seeing the sun again, and wanted to take whatever risk necessary to ensure that didn’t happen. However, an older Asriel with years more guidance from his parents prior to ascending the throne would likely be firmer in his pacifism, less willing to follow any desperate plan to break the barrier. This disagreement may have driven a wedge between them for some time, especially in the years after their parents’ deaths. I do think they would have worked through it though, especially as Chara aged.

Of course, even if Chara lived a long, long life, they would have died of old age eventually. I imagine that Asriel would deny this for as long as he could - being ageless has its consequences, and no amount of preparation could make the death of his sibling easier. Still, there is no resisting time. Eventually Chara would have died. Afterwards, I imagine they would have requested to be cremated, turning to dust just like their parents, just like those beings they long ago accepted as their own kind.

At the end, King Asriel would be left with one more human soul. What he did with it is anyone’s guess.

[the-uncursed-one]

A reflection of the past. They’re not so different

I love the detail of their eyes being obscured in the reflection

Do you get deja vu

[pathosketches]

Question

In your gravity fell AU, who is Papyrus playing?

I get A LOT of questions about UF!Papyrus in Gravity Fell, I've answered it more than once but here it is one last time:

UF Papyrus is Shermie Pines, the third Pines sibling + Dipper and Mabel's grandfather who's barely mentioned

UF Papyrus' personality didn't fit any of the main cast of GF, and i genuinely didn't want to just- cram him in there since it wouldn't make sense to have someone who's a family member to sans/stan there, Y'know?

I'd like to imagine he's overseas, away from all the chaos. Since he was born as stan/sans was kicked out of the house + Gaster/ford went off to college he never formed a strong bond with either of his brothers, same as Shermie

I hope that answers this specific question of who UF Papyrus is in Gravity Fell :] I know it hurts not having THEE Papyrus in my take but I didn't want to just shove him in there for the sake of it-

Not at all anon :]

tysm anon!!! it means a lot to know ya like them hehe 👉👈

The whole skeleton family connects to the Dreemurrs! But I'd like to think it's most Gaster since he's technically the oldest and most "competent" (not my words, Prob Asgores lmao-) one

[random-autie-fangirl]

😶 A random headcanon!

About our dear Chara?

Oh hi! Hi hi hi hi

Thank you so much for asking something, let's see if I can finish it before the day is out, huh? (this took a week, I am so sorry)

*Tries to find something that wouldn't be covered by the other questions*

Okay so...

😶A random headcanon about Chara

Chara is a bit of a technophobe. Not so much for big analogue machines with wires and gears found in Gaster's lab but the common amenities of the household...phones, computers, consoles... what are these things? How do they work? What in the angel's name is even the appeal?

They're like someone's 80 year old grandma trying and failing to understand these horrid newfangled human devices...

You leave them alone in a room with a laptop for less than a minute and they will download a deadly virus just trying to log on...

Asriel's doing something on the computer and Chara is leaning over his shoulder, completely dumbfounded, trying to understand (you can imagine little question marks floating above their head here...)

Chara's reaction to any sort of memes or social media or internet lingo never failed to amuse Asriel

Especially when Asriel shows them this meme and Chara makes the exact same face and Azzy cannot stop laughing

Let's just say that Chara Dreemurr has many skills (I sometimes joke that they have the exact skillset that would make them a wicked cultured anime villain, (as they should be)) but understanding the internet is certainly not one of them.

Makes sense, though, that they wouldn't really get modern amenities. Back on the surface, their parents house had nothing newer than a gramophone, and they never left the house or interacted meaningfully with anyone else (humans are all evil, manipulative creatures, they say...while working on a sample size of about two)

And more than that, they've certainly never interacted with anyone their age which is what leads them to going in to monster school with an attitude of "teenagers are probably interested in the same things as me, like rules and authority!"

Ahem, back on track...

Post-pacifist, Frisk and Asriel use Chara's lack of knowledge with anything internet to tease them relentlessly...

Frisk becomes a deez nuts joke dispenser for like two weeks after learning this, Flowey tries to convince Chara that kys stands for keep yourself safe and that you should totally use it in casual conversation and Frisk tries to rickroll Chara only for it to go completely over their head and they somehow take it as an actual love confession and "Oh! This is incredibly sweet dear and I certainly cannot blame you for your feelings but is this really how...(they did not like the song)" And Frisk is just like 'it was supposed to be a meme...!? But..." (uses the opportunity to start flirting). Also if there's a certain new joke or trick going around, you can gaurantee that Chara is the only one in the friend group that hasn't heard of it which makes them always the prime target.

Frisk or Asriel find videos like "try and say Coca-Cola without your lips touching" or "how the hell you spell Chauffeur?" (which is particularly funny as Frisk would definitely call them fancy pants) to try on Chara and then they both burst out laughing at the fact that Chara even fell for the trap and actually forgetting to give the punchline.

Now, you might be wondering is it really that funny? Is the fact that your sibling or friend still calls emojis electric stickers at like 18 (5 years since they came back to life) really worth breaking your ribs (or petals) laughing over? but they're both annoying little gits and honestly...neither of them like Chara very much (not to start with anyway)

It's basically like "Typo in the group chat! Get their ass" but like...almost all the time

It's times like this that Chara wonders if this timeline is actually their personal hell for their crimes of emotional manipulation and attempted murder

apparently, the angel gives their most socially embarassing moments to their most dependent on positive affection soldiers (oh Chara buddy i'm so sorry)

[the-uncursed-one]

Aww, look at them!! 🥰

fell siblings !!

[toxic-potions-productions]

ElementTale storyline

Fire. Water. Wind. Light. Darkness.

The five elements between monster & human alike. Every human & monster has an element specifically made for them. As well as a gifted weapon based on their elements. But, humans have something else. Soul traits. Determination. Bravery. Justice. Kindness. Integrity. Patience. & Perseverance. You only get one soul trait, but if you're lucky, you might get a maximum of three traits in one soul.

For hundreds of years, monsters & humans lived in harmony with their elements & soul traits blending together wonderfully. Everywhere you went, you saw a monster going about their life among humans as if they were one. They had jobs, they had homes, they had relationships with humans, the world was so peaceful & accepting of this anthropomorphic creatures who, with their charm & friendly personalities, never fail to sweep you off your feet.

Unfortunately, a new element was born from the shadows that caused everything to crumble.

Corruption.

Due to this new threat to the balance of the two species, things began to fall apart at an alarming rate. This element came to fruition because of one human child. A child who only saw the negatives of this world, & hated everyone in it. & the only bearer of that element for years. They didn't have any specific name for quite a long time, but researchers have named this child Chara.

Chara was a persuasive & cunning young child. Doing so much trouble & deceiving so many people all at the ripe age of nine. This young menace caused the peace to slowly crack away every passing year, making humans slowly see monsters differently. & all human eyes were on Chara so that they wouldn't destroy everything more than what they were already doing. No one liked this young demon. But, two monsters gave Chara a chance. Two goat monsters by the names of Toriel, with the Fire element, & her husband Asgore, with the Light element. They took Chara in & raised them as their own. They had high hopes that this child, who everyone has ostracized, would be a spectacular elder sibling to a child they were expecting. & they already had a name for the young boy on the way. Asriel.

No ill will was directed towards Toriel & Asgore for some odd reason, presumably due to this being very in character for them & that they were always trying to help someone out. But, despite raising Chara as their own, it still didn't stop the distrust & bubbling turmoil from the humans. The balance was growing quite fragile now, & one last crack could cause a wild uproar to happen. & everything would fall apart in the blink of an eye.

& that's exactly what happened.

After Asriel was born, the civilians were so welcoming to the newest member of the Dreemurr family. He looked just like his parents, & was the sweetest little baby you would ever meet. & his element was Wind. Unfortunately, Chara wasn't entirely accepting of this new baby kid, & did something drastic. His soul was being developed & so Chara took the white, upside down heart in their hand. They merged it to their own soul for a little extra power.

But, it caused both themself & Asriel to die.

This was the last straw. & humans began to despise all monsters as they all thought they were the same as this demon child. They were glad Chara was finally gone, but at what cost? Toriel & Asgore divorced after this travesty, too. & things weren't looking so good for the humankind & monsterkind who used to be so hand-in-hand for centuries. Some monsters tried to see reasoning & explain to the humans that nothing has ever changed & that they aren't violent.

But, it all fell on deaf ears. & eventually, the war started.

& all monsters have been sealed in the underground ever since. Hidden away in the deepest entrance on MT. Ebott, where all monsters were banished away & humans lived their new lives as if they never existed.

That didn't stop some curious humans to climb the mountain, though. They unfortunately never returned. Rumor has it that the newest bearer of the Corruption element has been capturing these humans that have fallen. It's said that this new bearer is a man. A man with a distorted & cracked face, red eyes, & a red blazer.

W. D. Gaster. The man who, when enraged, speaks in hands.

No one knows what happens to these fallen children, but it's said he captures them, & experiments on them & their soul traits in his lab. He must be the reason why these children have never returned. Because they have all died from his experiments & only their souls remain. Some also say he used to have two children of his own who have little to no memory of their father.

Two sons, both skeleton monsters. One elder, shorter skeleton & a younger, much taller skeleton. Both the bearers of the Fire element with the same abilities of teleportation, bone attacks, gaster blasters, & so forth. No one knows if this theory is true since they look nothing alike to their possible father, but Dr. Gaster knows the truth. But, has no desire to meet with either of them again due to him thinking they're failures to his big plans.

Gaster's current whereabouts & new lab location are currently unknown. But, he is still very much alive & still doing horrendous experiments.

A few years later, a very special human child fell into the underground. The only bearer of all five elements with the ability to save, reset, & control routes as she pleases. With the soul trait of pure Determination, a new young girl has arrived into the underground & instead of finding the barrier & leaving, made the Underground her new home.

Frisk.

Frisk really enjoyed the underground, as she was scolded & lectured for still trusting monsters after everything. even by her own parents. So, to be here was more of a dream come true than you realize. When she arrived, she came across a talking flower named Flowey. Unbeknownst to everyone, this was just Asriel's new body that sprouted when the monsters were sealed into the Underground. She met so many amazing monsters. Sans, Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys, Asgore, & Toriel only to name a few. Toriel saw alot of her killed son Asriel in Frisk & quickly grew a motherly attachment to this selective mute child.

One monster especially, thought she was the sweetest child in the world. a wolf monster, employee at a pub titled "Grillby's" in Snowdin, & one of the many bearers of the Light element. Akise.

Akise was such a sweet & energetic wolf who could basically do it all & you wouldn't hear a single complaint from him. Cook, work, clean, you name it. He was perfect. His weapon was a big hammer titled "Hammer of brightness", but he doesn't really use it that much unless he absolutely has to. He's the kind of monster who will only fight if he's aggravated enough. Frisk quickly began to see him like an older brother. As he basically WAS everyone's big brother.

However, this human child who can control the routes, save anywhere she pleases, has the Determination soul trait, AND is the only child to have all five elements was bound to make Gaster take an interest in her sooner or later. He's tried to capture her ever since, but never any luck. But, he's not giving up since he always gets what he wants.

With the only human living in the underground, that caused a few monsters to scratch their heads in confusion by this new visitor. But, she's only 12 years old, so it was no cause for alarm. & things weren't so bad as they once thought.

Cut to the present day.....A new human falls into the underground. However, this human isn't as monster inviting as Frisk is. At least for now.

A bearer of the Fire element. With Bravery, Justice, & Perseverance as her soul traits & wielding a big red & pink scythe. A high school student named Lydia. She had climbed up MT. Ebott just to unwind from everything, but it lead her to fall. Making her the 2nd fallen child in 10 months after Frisk's fall.

Due to what she's learned throughout the course of her life, that means she sees monsters as awful beings. Seeing her down here was not going to be fun. She thankfully wasn't violent to them, just.........untrusting. So, to say she was in fight or flight mode was an understatement.

She wore a face mask that covered half of her face at the time as a means of hiding her identity from them. Nowadays, she doesn't care one bit. After encountering Flowey, Toriel, Sans, Papyrus, Frisk, & even Akise, she feels like she needs to leave as soon as she possibly can. Although, Akise had a very odd, fluttery feeling in his stomach after seeing her for the first time. Not so sure what it is yet. Was it fear due to his father hating humans & feeding all of those "claims" about them to him? Or maybe something else? Only time will tell.

Due to Frisk being the only other human down there, Lydia was immediately trusting of the young girl. & because of Frisk's amazing abilities, she decides to go with Lydia to get her home, break through the barrier, & free monsters from the underground so the surface can be what it used to be. & thus, Lydia's journey started from there, leading to fights, mercy, character developments, & so much more.

Can Lydia do it? Can she destroy the barrier & put her soul traits to good use to survive down there? Will she truly be the savior of the Underground?

& that, my friends, is the new & improved Undertale au!! So much happier with this one QwQ

We've come a long way in five years. Why did I make an au that young when I had no idea what I was doing?

Keep in mind, I am VERY much aware someone out there already has the ElementTale title for their au, but whatever their story is, it's much different to mine. So, keep that in mind. i see nothing wrong with sharing a title Either way, I'm MUCH more satisfied with this au of mine. Goodbye, LST, your shortened version sounds like a disease, anyway-

& hello, ElementTale!

[stainedglassthreads]

A lot of people have been talking about that new Undertale book that is available for pre-order. Obviously I don’t have it, so I can’t confirm or deny anything said within it. But I heard, in a section talking about how important the number three is to Undertale, it mentioned there only being three Dreemurrs. 

@/under-lore has dissected this, as well as there apparently being ‘three entities controlling the vessel’, and it does seem like something that can be called accurate. But it also just. Makes me incredibly sad? Just like how fanfics and AUs deciding the only way for a happy ending is to kill Flowey, it makes me sad when Chara, who was loved by the Dreemurrs so deeply, who monsterkind seemed to consider one of them, is considered ‘not a part of the happy family’. I obviously can’t tell why every single fanartist chooses not to include Chara, and I didn’t pay for any of that art so it’s not like I can complain about or dictate their artistic choices. But just... it’s sad. 

They fell into the Dreemurrs’ lives, they brought hope, they ruined everything, and now nobody even says their name aside from Asriel. They are the reason things are the way they are in the Underground now, but they’re also gone, but they may not have considered themselves the Dreemurrs’ kid, but they also made a sweater that says ‘Mr Dad Guy’ so maybe they did, or just wanted to make Asgore happy by pretending they did, or did it as a favor to Asriel? 

I dunno. Maybe the book was wrong, or meant ‘three boss monsters’ instead of ‘three Dreemurrs’. Maybe Chara felt they didn’t deserve to be a part of the family being human, or had bad hangups about people who are their ‘family’, as many headcanons of their backstory involve them either losing family members or coming from a highly abusive home. 

It’s also kinda interesting in a way, though? Kris experiences a lot of dysphoria about being human, but they DO seem to be considered by everyone, the town, Toriel, and Asgore, as being ‘Asriel’s sibling’. Everyone doesn’t refer to them and Asriel as being ‘like siblings’, Asriel is repeatedly referred to as Kris’ brother. Kris is viewed by many as being ‘Deltarune Chara’, and while I strongly believe Toby WANTS you to compare Kris to both Frisk and Chara, this could be a deliberate difference to further establish Kris as their own person. While both Kris and Chara have a deep discomfort with humanity, Kris considers themself a Dreemurr, while Chara considers themself ‘disposable’ or just ‘a soul’.  

Frisk, meanwhile, has the choice at the end of the game of deciding to stay with Toriel or go other places. If they do stay with Toriel, nothing ever says that they consider Asgore their father, or Asriel and Chara their siblings. Certain AUs, such as Inverted Fate, have Frisk choose to stay with someone who isn’t Toriel as their ‘family’. Perhaps they consider themself an honorary Dreemurr(it certainly is a popular headcanon), but there’s no confirmation that they do or don’t. 

At any rate. The book is interesting, but whether it’s ‘canon’ or not depends on your definition of canon. It grants a new way of looking at and contextualizing the game, but people are entirely free to just play the game and never even touch bonus materials such as the Winter Alarm Clock Dialogue and the book, there is a valid point of view that a story should be self-contained and not require materials published after the fact to be understood properly. 

[the-uncursed-one]

Agreed, Chara, he is the coolest! :D

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