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evilelitest2 · 5 years ago

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Okay I'm going to be very careful with my words but I wanted to get a second opinion on this. We know besides the establishment being cowards and backing Biden he never would've gotten this far without older blacks. Do you think it was a bad call and against their best interests to vote for him despite his record showing he uh doesn't have the best track record on race? This is not me blaming anyone by the way.

Ok, this is complicated, an`d i’m seeing this talked about a lot, the African American vote. some caveats because this is a really complicated subject

1) The african American vote is not universal. Like the white vote, it is divided based on age, location (there is a big distincition in southern vs. northern vs. Western black voters), religion, income and class. There isn’t a universal way to understand the african American vote, so eveyrthing I am going to say are generalizations and anyone reading this should be careful to fall into generalizations. There are many african Americans who voted for Biden btw.

2) Voters make their choice for a variety of reasons, some of which I am not getting into, and it doesn’t always affect their ideology.

I also want to make clear that I am talking about black voters who ideologically might actually like sanders platform more than Bidens, there are also many african americans who just are conservative (like whtie conservatives).

Ok so something that people need to understand about the African American community, espicially in the south is this. Since the Republican party is so defined by white Nationalsim, blacks are among the worse hit by any republican administraiton, this has always been the case. like Trumps administration has hurt me personally in a few ways, but no where near as much as it is hurting racial minorities in the United States. So a lot of African Americans tend to focus on “harm reduction” when voting since they are the ones who get harmed.

tied to this is the place of hte Democratic Party in black culture, where it is one of the fundemental pillars. Espicially in the south, where the democratic party is sort of the one major national instiution actively trying to protect black Americans. Like try to imagine the sheer level of shit that the Black Community in Missisopi or Alabama has to endure, being trapped in some of the most conservative red states. So loyality to the democratic party is as fundemental in the black community as the Republicans party is to the eventalist community.

Its also important to understand that as a rule, african Americans are the best voters in the country. not just in the sense that they always go out to vote in every eleciton, its also that they tend to organize, voluenteer, give money, and raise awareness. This is partly due to the very well established community focus of black culture, but its also because they know full well what happens if a Republican wins. a good example of this was Doug Jones 2018 shocking victory in Alabama, which was only possible thanks to massive black voter turn out.

The only other voting community as good as the African American in terms of being voters are the Evengelical Christian community, who are like their evil fundementalist twin. But that is a story for another time.

But you know how despite Trump clearly being an atheist, the religious right supports him because he gives them what they want, and Mike pence serves as their surrogate. That is very similar to Biden with Obama as the surrogate, except that what the black community wants are objectively good things and not crypto fascism.

Because of how good the black community is about getting the vote (espicially older black women) the democratic party relies primarilty on black voters. And in the last 30 years, the black community has been extremely successful at steadily taking over the democratic party, and forcing it to address their issues. Which is why Joe Biden in 1980 is playing nice with segergationists and Joe Biden in the 2020 is running on a platform of racial justice. Because now the democratic party needs the african Americans to survive, they are moving steadily to the left on those issues. If the progressive movement wants to really be successful, we really should copy their example, because that the political leaders of community knows exactly what needs to be done to acheive tangible results. Ideally by turning many African Americans into progressives, but that would require the progressive movement to purge itself of its nastier elements (Chapo House)

See the progressive wing of the party has a long history of valuing rhetoric over the pratical, and this alienates them to a lot of black voters who are desperately afriad for themselves and their families.

and that is why they supported Joe Biden, because while many of them don’t actually like him and aren’t happy about his legacy on race, the fact is they know that he needed them to win. And thus as a reward for supporting him, he will give them what they want (again just like the evengelical community for trump but not evil).

specifically, they want the following

A) A democratic Supreme Court. The greatest blow to the Black community in the last 20 years (except Trumps election) was SCOTUS overturning the 1965 Voter’s Right act, which has been devestating to black voting power, espicially in in the south

B) A national law to push back against voter repression

C) Federal support for Black lives Matter

D) The Federal goverment to really crack down on the Alt Right and White Nationalism.

E) Pushing to end the wealth gap between the black and white community (which shrank dramatically under obama).

And most importantly, get trump and his white nationalist supporters out of office.

There are other policies obviously, but for many prominent african American leaders, Biden is a major way to acheive those ends and so they support him. And biden frankly is likely to deliver, between his 8 years working with Obama and his reliance on the black community in 2020, many African Americans feel like he is somebody who is going to listen to them and take them seriously.

So I don’t really feel comfortable saying that they are voting against their own best interest, instead they have a different set of “best interests” than what leftist usually consider. There is more at play than a strictly materalist understanding of politics.

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