#especially when Joey is so tenacious and John wouldnt have stood a chance against her if they were on an even playing field
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sledge-in-space · 3 months ago
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John Seed is a comfort character for some people. Folks like to ship him with their deputies or craft redemption arcs for him.
There's nothing wrong with that, obviously.
But I just can't wrap my head around it.
There's nothing comforting about the way John Seed treated Joey Hudson. I don't understand why the ordeal she went through doesn't seem to matter to fans of his.
She was bait for the rookie deputy and nothing more, because she wasn't going to give in and join the cult.
He terrorized Joey and the rest of Fall's End, stooping to the lowest, most inhumane levels to get his way. Some even theorize that he hurt the "sinners" in his care just because he wanted to, for malicious, sadistic reasons that didn't have anything to do with the cult. At worst, some people go as far as to speculate that he raped Joey.
It's easy to see why someone might come to that conclusion. The way he acts is deplorable and he makes everything feel extremely personal, sometimes in ways that can be interpreted as sexually charged. He'll do anything in order to get his way because "no" is antithetical to him. He regularly flies off the handle, so much so that Joseph is threatening to cast him out. All the touching and getting right up in the player's face is so uncomfortable and obsessive (which is the point, but I digress).
So why does he get to be redeemed and venerated by fans? Don't his actions warrant consequences?
Are people willing to let him off the hook because he's attractive? Because he had a horrible, abusive childhood? Obviously he's got a lot more lore than most of the cast. Is that something people are interested in exploring for him over other characters?
I'm not trying to come after anyone personally. There's nothing wrong with liking villains and Jacob, Faith, and Joseph have also done terrible things to innocent people.
Which is like, fine. It's a video game.
And I know that John, like Joey, is a victim of Ubisoft's choppy, inconsistent writing and storytelling. Things got changed and swapped and cut during development that got us to where we are, with the story we have. Flaws and all, not like it was ever going to be perfect.
But in my opinion, I feel like the adoration for John does a huge disservice to Joey. People make thirsty edits of him while she's literally tied up behind him. It's tasteless and makes the optics of her situation look even creepier.
Her pain has largely been ignored for as long as the game has existed. I can't for the life of me figure out why.
#you hit the nail on the head#cause I completely 100% agree#the only thing I'll say is that in regards to Joey I personally feel like they weren't consistent with her characterization#in the sermon she says yes to stop the pain but she is very clearly NOT a peggie#she wasn't going to go along with John's schemes and in the end she didnt break like Pratt and Burke#she escapes and kills some of her peggie captors#even posing them and laying in wait for the next one to come along#and freeing the prisoners was her idea#to the point where she even tells the rookie to stay out of her way if they wont help her#obviously she can still do all that AND say “yes” to be spared a moment of pain#it's perfectly understandable to want the pain to stop#but she should have been tattooed and wasnt#should have been flayed and she wasnt#that and the raccoon mascara tracks feel like an oversight to me#especially when she never joined the cult and attempted escape on her own#And crying isnt indicative of anything of course but the mascara just feels ooc considering everything else we know about her#that's my own interpretation and opinion of course#but I do feel very strongly about it#It's so disheartening when John gets put on this softboy pedestal and Joey is branded as a damsel in distress#and it feels like thats really all there is in terms of fan content#It's always been that way and even though it's fictional it's hard not to feel disappointed#especially when Joey is so tenacious and John wouldnt have stood a chance against her if they were on an even playing field#but thank you so much for your reply#I really genuinely enjoyed it and it's nice to know that other people care about Joey too#Far cry 5#joey hudson#john seed#jacob seed#faith seed#joseph seed
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