#ergr is the opposite of drengr
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nimblermortal · 3 years ago
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Went back to reading The Golden Wolf and it said basically that ergr means gay and I about put the book down there.
#Nimblermortal liveblogs#the golden wolf#ergr is the opposite of drengr#drengr is complex but is usually translated as manliness#kinda if masculinity and chivalry were a similar concept? but with revenge obligations tied in?#anyway so ergr is often translated as femininity as a result but afaik there's no concept that women should be ergr#rather ergr is what happens when a man kills your father and you just smile and do nothing about it#ergr is also taking the receiving role in gay sex#or crossdressing if a man does it#(I maintain my headcanon that if a woman crossdresses /and takes masculine pronouns/ that is normal)#(and I can elaborate further on why yes those are separate concepts if anyone is interested)#let's see what else is ergr#Gunnar in Njal's saga - sorry forgot his father's name - worries he is ergr because he doesn't enjoy killing#not being able to grow a beard is ergr#I could make an argument that when Kjartan decides to not make a fuss about Bolli marrying Gudrun that's an ergr decision#but the point is: you can be or do a lot of these things WITH OR WITHOUT homosexual feelings or activities!#and I don't think we know enough about how people thought about homosexuality#to say if 'being gay' was even a concept they would recognize#cue the argument about being gay vs doing gay things#and the very concept of lesbianism never comes up so far as I know#anyway standard disclaimer I am not a scholar I just read sagas and listen to Saga Thing#it is very annoying that I can see the places where Linnea Hartsuyker just. did not do her research.#and therefore I can't trust her if there are places where she did!
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nimblermortal · 4 years ago
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Actually I already have Opinions about the way nouns are gendered in Old Norse.
I mean, it’s sexist, sure. That’s... largely I think of it as a helpful mnemonic. But the ways in which it is sexist say interesting things about the nature of the society. For example, rei∂i is anger, and it’s feminine, because expressing any emotion is not drengr*.
Most body parts are neuter, because everybody’s got a body, but arms are masculine (presumably, strength of arms), tongues are feminine (those women, always talking, amirite), and shoulders are also feminine (...?).
Weapons are neuter. It is utterly fascinating to me that weapons are neuter. Swords are neuter. Shields are neuter. Spears are neuter. Weapons are neuter. Anybody can wield a weapon?
Compliments tend to end in -ma∂r, which is masculine, but in a neuter sense, the way that ‘man’ is used to mean humankind. (Ma∂r also declines irregularly, becoming mann and manni and menn and etc.) So generally compliments and distinguished professions are technically masculine, but a lot of my flash cards use the word ‘person’ regardless of how likely I think it is that women were ever described as such. One day I will be fluent enough to read sagas and then maybe I’ll have an idea.
The moon is masculine. It is in German too - German is another gender mnemonic for me with ON - but here I know why, and it has to do with folkloric wolves. Well, we’ve all been subject to folkloric wolves forcibly rearranging our genders, it happens to the best of us.
Jörmungandr is an ongoing, fascinating puzzle for me - I think it was jór that was stallion, and masculine, but jǫr∂** is earth, and feminine. The dictionary I’ve got doesn’t have any additional breakdowns for mungr or mung or mun or gandr; Wikipedia says it means huge monster, but I want to know for myself. In the meantime, it’s a great mnemonic for all these other adjacent words to think of Jǫrmungandr as - a sibling of Sleipnir’s? Named relative to his position as world serpent?
It’s fun!
*drengr is the opposite of ergr. Ergr is pretty much equivalent to 2000s derogatory “gay”. Drengr is consequently... masculine virtue, in the way it’s understood in Saga Age Norse societies, or, since I’m reading Icelandic sagas, the way masculine virtue in the Saga Age is imagined by ~fourteenth century literate folks.
**ǫ is a constant challenge for me, I can’t figure out how to type it in any context, and I can’t substitute with ó, ø, œ, or ö because those are all in use in ON.
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