#ep: 3x19 choices

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one day i'll learn to make gifs but until then you get this little unhinged BTVS rant (with bonus pieces of other people's gifs).

ep: 3x19 choices - Faith is fully aligned with the Mayor and in her spiral. But she hasn't killed Prof. Lester Wirth yet, that's not until 3x21.

AND THEN THIS!

ep: 6x21 Two to Go - Willow stole magic powers from Rack and is in her spiral. She killed Warren in 6x20 Villains and has JUST killed Rack.

"It's way too late," said casually and cheerfully versus "I promise it's not too late," said with such aching hope. How Faith lashes back at Willow for hurting her. How Willow lashes back at Dawn for (inadvertently) hurting her. More script quotes below the cut if you want this to gnaw on your brain.

ep: 3x19 choices - Faith is fully aligned with the Mayor and in her spiral. But she hasn't killed Prof. Lester Wirth yet, that's not until 3x21.

"Check out the bookworm." "Faith!" [Willow is surprised] "Anyone with brains, anyone who knew what was going to happen to her, would try to claw her way out of this place. But you, you just can't stop Nancy Drewing, can you? Guess now you know too much and that kinda just naturally leads to killing."

"Faith, wait. I want to talk to you." "Oh yeah? Give me the speech again, please. [Faith is sarcastic here.] Faith, we're still your friends. We can help you. It's not too late." "It's way too late. [Willow says this quickly, calmly, cheerfully, casually.] You know, it didn't have to be this way."

[Faith's smile fades, she retracts, very very slightly.]

"But you made your choice. I know you had a tough life. [Faith is back to smirking.] I know that some people think you had a lot of bad breaks. Well, boo hoo! Poor you. You know, you had a lot more in your life than some people. [Faith studies Willow here, considering her violent options.] I mean, you had friends in your life like Buffy. Now you have no one. You were a Slayer and now you're nothing. You're just a big selfish, worthless waste."

[Faith punches Willow in the jaw and she falls to the ground.]

"You hurt me, I hurt you. I'm just a little more efficient."

[Faith pulls her knife on Willow. It seems like Faith might actually kill Willow, but The Mayor interrupts.]

COMPARE TO

ep: 6x21 Two to Go - Willow stole magic powers from Rack and is in her spiral. She killed Warren in 6x20 Villains and has JUST killed Rack. "Dawnie, what are you doing here? 'Cause if you're looking for me? Now's not a great time." "You look terrible." "Do I?"

... "I have to go." [Dawn is nervous]

[Dawn moves to the door but Willow appears blocking her way. Dawn cries out, definitely scared.]

"Why? So you can run and tell Buffy?" "Willow … please, just listen to me." "You don't have to talk. Just think real loud. I can hear you."

[Willow advances menacingly.]

"You're freaking me out." "Oh, don't be like that. I'm just a little wired. And I have some things to do. I thought if anybody'd understand - " "I miss Tara, too! But this? [Something plays over Willow's face. I think she pauses for a second, she feels the pain a little more.] What you're doing here? This is not the way to go! You're only going to make things worse! [Willow studies Dawn, considering her options. I think she steels herself for what she plans to do, resigned to it.] But I promise, it's not too late to - "

[Willow proceeds to be very cruel to Dawn. She hurts Dawn with her words, efficiently.]

"You miss her?" "Yes." "Did you cry? [Dawn is shocked.] Of course you did. I get that. I understand the crying, you cry because you're human. But you weren't always." "Yes, I was." "No, please. You're telling me you don't remember? You used to be some … mystic ball of energy. Maybe that's why you're crying all the time, Dawnie. 'Cause you don't belong here."

[Willow continues, taunting Dawn and mocking her, super cruel.]

[Willow backs Dawn into a wall. It seems like Willow might actually kill Dawn, but Buffy interrupts.]

Gifsets of some of this, both by starryeyesxx ep: 3 x 19 choices ep: 6 x 21 two to go

I think S6 Willow is eons scarier than S3 Faith, but Faith could have killed Willow with her knife, maybe. I think Faith is super glad The Mayor interrupted so she doesn't have to decide. Good doggie Faith (affectionate). I think Willow wanted to hurt Dawn, and then as she got going she thought death by Buffy was an OK option, and what better way to ensure death by Buffy than killing Dawn?

Also later in 6x21 Willow says, "I've got big party plans." Just like Faith in 3x10 Amends!

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Farscape rewatch: 3x16-3x19

No, I have no thoughts for the second half of Infinite Possibilities; it makes me too depressed. There is a reason my rewatch pretty much stopped dead around there.

I do have thoughts, all jumbled together, about the following four eps: Revenging Angel, The Choice,Fractures and I Yensch, You Yensch

I am sure a gazillion people before me noted that Talyn John and Moya John are synchronized in their bouts with death: at the time Talyn John dies of radiation is when Moya John is in his coma in RA.

But what I really want to talk about (though I am sure plenty of people have noted it as well) is that Aeryn and the remaining John are also synchronized in their decision whether to go on. RA is bookmarked by IP on one side, but by The Choice on the other.

Crichton's subconscious, in a coma, needs to find a reason to wake up, a reason to live. If you think about it, there doesn't seem to be that much going even not-wrong in his life, let alone right. He is still hunted by Scorpius, the crew is fracturing and turning on each other from stress (it's a subtle but ever present point that without Aeryn and even Rygel, the Moyans are not cohesive functioning unit and the cracks and frustrations begin to show). More importantly, Aeryn has abandoned him to be with other John. He is not actively suicidal (been there, done that) but passively I don't think he cares as much as he usually does. It is an interesting and wholly Farscape irony that the John with everything to live for sacrifices himself, and the John with nothing chooses to live.

Ultimately, being Crichton, he does find the meaning in going on, and being Crichton, his meaning is in loving Aeryn. The revenge, that works as such a motivator for Scorpius, and ergo Harvey, isn't really John's thing at all, something other 'bad guys' seem to consistently misunderstand, Grayza about to be the latest in the long line (Scorpius, to his credit, learns that John is different, even if he cannot understand it and is only following the guideposts mechanically). In a way, it is not because Crichton is so noble or what not. It's a measure of sanity preservation on his part. If he was obsessed with revenge, fixating on righting every wrong done him, he would be haunted and tormented forever: dwelling on all the horrors that happened to him, being faced with sheer impossibility to avenge all of them. Trying to pay back all the misery Crais, Scorpius, Grayza, Scarrans etc gave him is humanly impossible. Not just because no one has that kind of resources and that would also interfere with staying alive, but because that amount of misery is unpaybackable and promises no life beyond it (Consider. Once Scorpius gets to wipe out the Scarrans. What would he do with himself then?)

But anyway, in a breathtaking bit of Farscape irony, Crichton decides that Aeryn and love are his reason for living at the same time as Aeryn decides the only way for her to go on is to lock these feelings away, become the unfeeling soldier machine. The Choice is a wonderful episode, so full of grieving and memories and loss. And part of the reason she decides to give up is yes, not to experience that pain again (I remember LiP eps in S2 and Casanova guy's comment about loving hurting but it being worth it. That maxim is put to its most brutal test here). Of course, she eventually decides that it is worth the pain and the risk (but significantly, they chose to die together in 4.22 rather than try to continue alone). But not now. And also, her other reason for locking it all away? She invested so much in ignoring that there is the other John out there, to block the thought of him, because otherwise the situation is untenable, so I don't think she can face it again, head on, not right away, not with emotions unlocked.

And so we get Fractures and IYYY, so full of pain. I sort of die at Crichton's hopefulness and state of giddy excitement in Fractures, and how everything just dies with her 'Hello John.' And their painful non-conversations, and the fact that she forgets in the heat of the moment he isn't Talyn John and the pause. And the fact that his sense of self is tied with Aeryn to the degree where she is the arbiter whether he is the copy or not. I love you, show but you are brutal as hell.

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Buffy the Vampire Slayer (rw) 3x19 Choices

The Mayor takes Willow prisoner after Buffy and her friends steal away a box containing demonic energy needed for Ascension Day.

Buffy wanting to just make it to 50 as being a milestone and her birthday is January 19th, 1981. Amazing that in 7 more years she'll get there. What an achievement that will be! (Unless she dies again in the comics. I haven't read them for a few years.) And I want some Dickies dungarees like Willows but they don't do bright colours anymore. :(

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NOTES: For the first eleven episodes of Community I wasn’t keeping track of trans Jeff moments but I will when I rewatch. I also starred the key trans Jeff episodes (imo of course)

Without further ado...

Every transcoded Jeff Winger moment (I can remember) because he’s a trans man:

1x12*

getting punched in the face is his “male rite of passage” according to Pierce

1x14

“I’ve never been someone’s dirty little secret” the fact that he is now?? Transcoded

“I’m afraid of things getting official. If you say it you might later have to UNsay it.” Jeff was definitely terrified of coming out and realizing he was faking it huh

1x17*

Jeff is uncomfortable wearing short shorts in public and wants to wear his own clothes, he gets very uncomfortable when questioned about it

Abed says Jeff is 30% the trans guy from Boys Don’t Cry

Once again! Gets very defensive when accused of being panties

Coping with hypermasculinity is so trans

1x20

“What is THIS Jeff?” “My chest????” “What are you packing in these pants” “guys-“ this entire exchange is trans

1x25

Jeff being so done with tr*nny dance

That moment of him and Troy with the trans cookie in the same frame >>>

2x01

“An old drinking buddy who may or may not have had a sex change” makes Jeff cut Abed off and ask questions, I think he got nervous

2x03*

Blood test at a physical! Testosterone

2x06

Jeff is very protective over his suit

2x07

Jeff and Troy laughing about Y chromosomes because they don’t have them 😌 (yes Troy is trans too)

2x08

very proud of his chest, doesn’t want to cover it up at all

Jeff is very quiet during the period conversation

(I’m actually writing a fic about Jeff’s coming out that takes place during this episode)

2x10*

Jeff looking so confused and annoyed when Pierce said “I broke my legs not my gender”

Jeff giving Troy a manhood experience for his birthday!!!

2x12

all the women enter the same bathroom as Jeff

2x15

Pierce reading a supportive speech in case Britta is LGBTQ+ and telling Jeff to “wait for the one” he has for him

2x17

Jeff uses nipple guards when running

2x18*

“Abed...can I tell you something I’ve never told anyone else?”

Jeff had to wear a girl’s costume for Halloween

“Everyone kept saying what a pretty little girl. After a while, I stopped correcting them. What was the point?” Wow TRANS

2x21

“You disqualified yourself from this conversation [about women] the second you decided to grow a wang” “I regret nothing”

3x04

Jeff keeps his toiletries in a safe

3x05

Jeff being a vampire is transcoded I don’t elaborate

3x06* (this is just a great Jeff ep in general)

Threw a gay party and it was great

His dad fucking DISOWNED HIM?????

3x09*

“foosball was just masculine enough to get by without throwing it catching”

Jeff had a pony tail as a kid

“I changed my clothes, my hair, my personality”

“Foosball is how I defined myself as a man”

Jeff wearing a hoodie at the end of the episode?????

3x12*

Jeff “has bad posture and sometimes looks like he has boobs” according to Britta, a statement which made him uncomfortable and deflated his self esteem

Jeff really wants the award for most handsome young man

3x13-14

Flannel

3x17

“A man’s got to have a code. I can only assume a woman has an equivalent to that, like a codette or something” okay trans

3x19

Jeff really doesn’t like being separated from his jackets

4x01

I just think Jeff leading a dance with another man who is in drag is very trans coded okay

4x02

Jeff is so obsessed with his body that he must be a trans man proud of his transition

4x05*

“Jeff’s at the point in his life where he needs a strong father figure to come out to” is this not canon trans man

“You seem like a self made man.” “I mean, I kind of had to be.”

The entire scar thing

Jeff’s stepbrother or half brother or whatever being too “soft” for his father to like?? But Jeff who is hypermasc still not being enough????? Okay canon trans

4x07*

Jeff is really enjoying his manly barber shave

4x10

everyone bought Jeff a hoodie for Christmas

4x11

Jeff is really scared of commitment to things regarding permanent choices or his own identity, maybe he struggled with this for his transition when he was younger

5x04

Jeff “would rather look at himself naked than the people he sleeps with” because he’s proud of his transition

5x07

Jeff and Duncan did a boys’ night! Maybe Duncan knew him before he transitioned and it made Jeff uncomfy until now

5x08

“my penis needs no enlargement” proud of his transition af

5x11*

Jeff is/was obsessed with GI Joe which was like Thee boys’ cartoon

He can’t visualize his future which is trans

They bought him an it’s a boy mug 🥺

6x04

Jeff is really supportive of the dean’s sexuality, literally trans

Like Frankie is basically canonically a lesbian or at least queercoded

The dean is canonically queer

Why else would Jeff be there if not for the fact that he’s trans

6x05

Jeff getting mad when someone says he hits like a girl and taking his shirt off

6x06

Jeff is stressed about his emails being leaked —> he got outed?

6x08

Jeff is really proud of his scenes in the movie, he wants the world to see him fully transitioned and how manly he is

6x10

Jeff hoodie trans

He won’t shut up about cars because he wants to seem big and manly

Also in general his halloween costumes are all hypermasc. I think the study group really helped Jeff feel better about his gender identity and really made him feel safe. Thanks for reading!

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I was watching some episodes of Dawson's Creek because of the similares with Rina people talk about, and I’m approaching the end of S3 and it’s funny because: S1 is pretty much Joey just caring about making it work with Dawson and while there’s a lot of moments where you can feel the sparks between Pacey and Joey it just seems like the story is about Dawson and Joey. S2 is non-existent for Jacey, Joey and Dawson are together and Pacey has a girlfriend. They had like 5 minutes of screen time and that’s being generous, i couldn’t even finish this season because it was boring without them. If I didn’t know they got together at the end I would think the writers just forgot about them.

Now S3 is where it gets interesting. The season starts with them reuniting after summer, some dumb drama happens that I don’t care about because it’s not that relevant but let’s just say it’s about other people and not about Jacey. Pacey has a relationship with a girl but they mutually broke up by the middle of the season. After this, Joey starts seeing a guy called AJ (yup), who’s older than her. Pacey and Joey start to get closer in friendship while she’s dating the AJ guy, and that’s when he admits he has feelings for Joey. Now, by almost the end of the season, Pacey helps Joey to get on a date with AJ, that ends up with Joey calling him to pick her up because the relationship is over. They go into this car ride with Joey rambling about what when wrong with the AJ and how she called Pacey because he is the one that knows her the most and Pacey asked her what does it means for them etc and kisses her. Funny enough this scene takes place on Pacey's beat up trunk and in the BTS pictures from HSMTMTS we know there’s a character that will drive a beat up trunk this season lol

After the kiss both are left confused and they have to prepare for the school's camping trip. During the camp trip (again, camp) both Pacey and Joey have a conversation about what their feelings mean and he basically tells Joey she needs to be the one to make the next move because he already laid out the cards for her. That the problem isn’t his feelings because she already knows how he feels, she is the only that needs to. She ends up making a choice and kiss him. You can watch the scene on YouTube is 3x19. The last 3 eps of the season pretty much are about Joey and Pacey hiding their relationship because they don’t want to hurt Dawson's feelings by telling him they got together. Conclusion: Joey and Pacey's big confession happens at camp in front of a bonfire after Joey breaks up with a guy called AJ.

Yeah... Tim ain't slick lol

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teen wolf for the ask thing?

ppl who aid and abet my newest obsessions are the best tyyyyyy

my favorite female character - Known to shift depending on my mood, but currently Kira! She’s just really sweet and thoughtful but also nerdy (all the research she printed!! queen) and won’t back down from a fight. I also love Lydia & Allison. <3

my favorite male character - Scott by a country mile, though I also have a lot of love for Mason. Scott just cares so much and it’s evident in everything he does—how understanding he is with Liam in all of s4, the way he instantly empathizes with the bio teacher in 6x18, his relationship with Deaton and his job (let him be a vET dangit), the way he believes people can change and then they aCTUALLY DO??? I love him.

my favorite book/season/etc - Almost no one is going to agree with me on this but s4. It falls apart around ep 10 (why did they spend so much time building up Scott’s fear of becoming a monster & hurting his friends only to focus the finale on his friends killing him? why on earth was the benefactor plot totally unrelated to the berserker plot? why didn’t we see Scott’s dad find out about the supernatural before sending him packing?), but honestly it still has some of my fave pack dynamics, the build-up itself works even if the pay off doesn’t, and there’s a lot of quieter scenes that I appreciate.

my favorite episode (if its a tv show) - Mmmm I think I have more fave moments than fave eps but, Frayed (3x05), The Girl Who Knew Too Much (3x09), Letharia Vulpina (3x19), The Benefactor (4x04), Face-to-Faceless (6x14), and The Wolves of War (6x20).

my favorite ship - Scott/Kira, Scott/Allison, Mason/Corey.

a character I’d die defending - Scott, Deaton, and Braeden. Particularly Scott, as he’s the MC of the show and yet despite seeing plenty of TW fandom content for years I didn’t even know he existed prior to watching and that is, uh. Something.

a character I just can’t sympathize with - Peter because his redemption arc is all over the place (s4 did him zero favors but also, neither did s2 or s6 by bringing him back w zero consequences) and Nazi wolf who they didn’t even try to make a character. Though given their track record if they had, they probably would’ve aimed for “sympathetic nazi” and no one wants that.

a character I grew to love - Lydia! Partially because she suffers severely from Male Gaze Camera and Male Gaze Writing in s1 especially, but I love who she was allowed to grow into by s3.

my anti otp - Sterek, less bc I care about the ship itself and more because I care about overarching fandom trends and apathetic racism through the exclusion of poc.

what i will be giffing: Braeden from a character I’d die defending + another set based on one (1) of the other answers (asker’s choice!!)

send me a show/movie/fandom & i’ll tell you my faves (and maybe gif them!)

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so I ve been wondering about JoMo. I saw him answer in comic con. He was trying to brush off Klaus& Camille connection, and reasoned that Caroline was still alive. Granted that he was trying to please fan, but I heard that he liked Caroline, and had a crush on Candice, but she was already taken. Is that true? I find it hard to believe that he doesn't like Klamille pairing, frankly because the on-screen chemistry btw Klaus & Camille seemed to suggest otherwise.

(Kcers are gonna say JM and CA had romantic feelings for each other behind the scenes to make them feel better about their ship. I don’t believe it, there were actually signs he liked Kat G (Bonnie). He told the writers he wanted to work w/ Kat, he wanted klonnie (as opposed to kc for his romantic pairing), and I think he spent Thanksgiving or some other holiday w/ Kat’s family. But if you really want to know more I’d ask a tvd/Bonnie blog.) 

OKAY here’s the thing w/ JM: he’s a people pleaser. To the point where he’s a spineless coward. He didn’t stand up for Leah or Phoebe during TOs run despite the MASSIVE hate they received for their respective dynamics with Klaus (although Phoebe’s died down because she was romantically paired with Elijah and Jackson). So, I don’t respect him, and I don’t expect him to ever acknowledge klamille as the romantic soulmate pairing they are. I received an ask about why I don’t respect JM, and I answered with receipts so if you’re interested here.

Now, way back when when the first half of s1 was airing (before klamille received all the fandom backlash), JM openly praised klamille. 

“ As for Leah who plays Camille, I filmed my favorite scene with her. It’s later on in the episode and I don’t really say much, but I think it’s some of the best acting I’ve done. I don’t know what you guys will think but to me, that scene stood out. For me, she was really solid. She made some interesting choices as an actress and came across so strong in the pilot.”

(tvd 4x20)

JoMo teased that there will be “some distance” between the two, though it sounds like they have an epic scene coming up. Joseph called it “an amazing scene in episode nine, which I’m really proud of. We got loads of nice comments for the scene we did in episode 4 where I… compel her to forget everything again, and we were really proud of that scene.“

Here’s some more gifsets of Joseph talking about klamille in s3 at Comic Con &JM and LP talking about klamille scenes , JM and LP bts 

My point? In no way shape or form does JM ever outright hate on Leah or klamille. in fact, out of all the love interests, she’s the only actress whose abilities he praises. He respected her and knew they worked well to elevate each other in scenes. 

Now again, he’s a people pleaser. In s1 he was trying to make sure TO got picked up for s2 and he didn’t want to risk alienating any fans because he has no spine. So he’d never outright praise klamille bc he didn’t want to piss off klaroline shippers, or klayley shippers, or stans who didn’t want Klaus in any romantic relationship. He’d downplay klamille even though they were getting straight up romantic scenes. What you see at cons and fan meet and greets is a continuation of his old habit. If he senses he’s in a room full of kcers, he’ll pander to them, which is what you saw.  “Well Cami’s dead” no shit Sherlock. He stated the truth, without saying too much. He didn’t outright choose Caroline, you can also take that to mean “so you’re only choosing Caroline because Cami’s dead? Is she the backup?” or kcers can twist it to mean “Klaus is ready to move on, he picks Caroline over Cami”. It pisses me off how he never gives an outright answer, but that non answer is enough to sate kcers. He’s careful like that. BUT, he also took a picture with a klamille fan saying Cami deserved better.  JM will do the minimum to not offend.

He hadn’t acknowledged Leah on social media in YEARS but he came on twitter to tweet her an official goodbye and thank you. Out of the goodness of his heart? Because he’s a good leader? NOPE bc after 3x19 aired there was huge backlash on twitter, and it lasted the entire weekend (the ep aired on a Friday). I mean it was the nastiest ugliest rage the writers had ever seen (bigger than all the hate Cami and ck haters left in their mentions for 3 seasons). JM saw the criticism of the show, and him as the lead, and he hurried up and tweeted Leah. 

Please, save yourself the headache of looking to JM to validate klamille or gush about them. Those days were over as soon as fans flooded his mentions w/ their anti klamille hate. I suggest you do what I do, and look to canon where we have more than enough material to fangirl over. You can also check Leah Pipes’ likes and replies on twitter, every now and then she’ll like a klamille tweet or respond to a fan. I compiled some of them here. 

[multimetaverse]

Quick Thoughts on the New UK Promos

Still wild to see how much more willing Disney is, both in the USA and the UK, to promote Tyrus now that the series is almost done. It’s clear that they’re deliberately trying to hype up the portion of the audience that knows about Tyrus and ships it and are now willing to clue the large portion of the audience that doesn’t know Tyrus is a thing that it in fact is. Disney including a clip of the bench scene in one of their previous promos was probably a real eye opener for the kids watching who think TJ is straight. 

It’s funny that watching these promos you’d think that TJ was in the show more than he actually is; even with the cut ep he’s still getting less screen time than Amber and Marty. They’ve largely given away most of TJ’s plot line in 3x18 and with the bench scene already being teased that most of his plot line in 3x20 as well. Someone in Disney PR must have noticed that TJ’s character interests enough of the audience to be worth heavily featuring him in the promos. 

TJ and Cyrus both as a couple and as characters are the biggest winners of the cut ep and these promos further that point. It’s unlikely we would have seen so much of TJ or Tyrus in these promos if the original wedding was still happening since it would get the audience wondering why he wasn’t there and as a practical matter there’s would have been one more ep’s worth of footage to use in promos. But since the show inadvertently became more equal in regards to Tyrus it looks like Disney decided to take the lemons the FBI gave it and make lemonade. 

We’re getting several TJ scenes spread out over 3-4 days in universe, most of them with Cyrus, which likely means we’re looking at 4ish minutes of TJ screen time rather than his usual 3 minutes or less. Cyrus asking if it’s that serious is probably after TJ steals the golf cart to help Buffy and is when Cyrus agrees to be his lawyer and the trial is over two days with the verdict given the same day of the basketball game, looks like Cyrus wins just as the Spikes beat the Spartans. It’s no surprise that they’re making the most of TJ’s time this ep; there simply isn’t any other choice. The finale will be too crowded for TJ or any other recurring character to get more than 3-4 minutes of screen time, if that. 

Looks like they have some sort of moment at the gym where Cyrus pulls away from TJ who’s holding on to his arm, maybe Cyrus stopped himself from getting too into the moment as he doesn’t want to get his hopes up. I have no doubt the transition from subtext to text will be messy but something must happen in 3x18 that makes Cyrus feel like he was deluding himself that TJ could like him back in the finale but also enough to clue in the casual audience that Cyrus has enough of a ‘relationship’ with TJ to have woes over. 

Josh answered an ask and said that we’ll see what Cyrus meant when he called TJ oblivious and I’d guess that after seeing Cyrus act weird in 3x15 and possibly again in 3x18 and almost certainly again in 3x20 after seeing Kira apologizing to TJ that TJ realizes why Cyrus was getting so upset and then finds him on the bench to talk about it. Certainly, no one is getting outed on this show and they’ll stick with what Andi told Cyrus in 3x11 that it’s his choice who to tell and when so TJ figuring it out on his own or with a little prompting fits with that.

We’re clearly seeing a TJ more comfortable with his sexuality in his interactions with Cyrus and he must have gotten out from Kira’s manipulation. This whole internalized homophobia story line was a huge mistake on Terri’s part especially since we’re never going to get any kind of full explanation of what it was or how he overcame it other than some coded reference to not wanting to hide anymore or something like that. It makes for a sharp contrast with how his dyscalculia was handled but the difference is that the learning disability plot was meant to be shown on screen while the internalized homophobia plot was meant to keep TJ off screen. 

I just hope that Terri used TJ’s screen time wisely in 3x18 and that she was able to push the boundaries a little bit. The more that is still left to happen in Tyrus’ story after 3x18 the less we’ll actually get in the very crowded finale and vice versa. 

Another reason 3x18 looks promising is that this is likely around when Terri got final permission to actually go with the bench scene and the set up required for it. I think Disney had committed early on to some sort of Tyrus endgame in the finale, they wouldn’t have let the cast so openly talk about Tyrus during their press tour after 3x13, but how loud and textual that endgame would be would only have been decided much later. Just like how S1 was building to Cyrus realizing his crush on Jonah but permission for Cyrus’ look back was only granted shortly before it was filmed and with it permission for Cyrus to come out to Buffy. 

As of 3x15 there’s nothing in the show itself that would have had the audience expecting anything more than Cyrus just pining away for another straight jock and TJ not being at the farm wedding would have confirmed that for the audience. And even that is just implied which would have made it very easy for Disney to have Cyrus end up ambiguously single if they had so chosen. Luckily, it looks like Terri was able to get the best possible ending that Disney is willing to allow at this time. 

So SAVA is an art high school which fits with the casting call for art school high school students our friends at Yun Casting put out back in the fall. However, that complicates things as Andi would only be going there next year and it doesn’t seem like the finale takes place any later than December of 8th grade in universe. Bowie and Bex hug Andi and Bowie says he’s happy for her while Andi looks sad, which is likely her getting in to an art school. Is it SAVA though or an art school that would require her moving away or at least transferring her to another middle school?

Little more of Muffy at the bowling alley. Buffy is definitely going to have to confront her feelings for Marty and Marty will have to confront his feelings for Buffy. Still no sign of the new Muffy plot involving the semi pro basketball players visiting the school but it has to happen sometime in eps 3x17-3x19. 

Surprised they straight up showed Jonah singing You Girl, I wonder how much of the audience even remembers that song from S1.

Looks like they’re calling back to the first Jamber breakup with this second one which is likely in 3x19, which is messy because it was a really important moment for Jonah to be able to break up with Amber and call her out on her manipulation. Whereas Jonah hasn’t been a great boyfriend but he hasn’t manipulated Amber or cheated on her so to compare those two situations is not a good look on the show’s part. Really not sure what Terri was thinking dedicating this much time to Jamber, we get a kiss, a date, an I love you, and a dragged out breakup and for what? Just to keep Jonah from getting back with Andi? I really don’t think this story line has much appeal for any part of the audience. 

These various promos have really given away quite a bit of 3c which I’m fine with since I like spoilers but it’s odd that Disney just didn’t put together one 30 second promo to release. 

[teenwolf-theoriginals]

1/3 We know initially they filmed 13 episodes as though it was a full season and we know we are going to get a lot of MacRiley scenes such as the arcade and lake, but we also know we are getting macdesi scenes like dinner, hug and bed scene. Lucas said after episode 7, the show takes a darker turn and these macdesi scenes come into play around that time. I am wondering if when Mac starts dealing with his dad, etc. he is going to turn to Desi?

2/3 This would be the most ludicrous thing the writers could do. We all know there is no emotional connection with them. Riley has always been Mac’s rock as Mac is hers. She didn’t hesitate to rejoin him, she has helped him with his dad and it is clear to me he missed her after the Phoenix dissolved. When Mac was dealing with Charlie’s death, his dad, and the phoenix he had no one to turn to except Desi, which was only a physical part.

3/3 If Riley had been there, he may not have turned to Desi or started the physical relationship with Desi so quickly.  I don’t want to suddenly have the writers say Desi is a better emotional connection for Mac when it is not believable at all.  We know Mac doesn’t deal well with his feelings which could be why Desi was the choice at the time.

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i like to think the writers are very well aware that mac and riley have this emotional connection, that allows them to be there for each other in a way he doesn’t have with anyone else. trying to make it seem desi has developed a deeper one or is a better choice to comfort him if anything happens to his dad purely because she “dated” him is going to be very far fetched. i’m not saying desi can’t be sympathetic (because she was with that woman in 3x19, i believe. the ep when bozer was stuck in mac’s car, and mac/desi were on a solo mission). but, the writers can’t just use this 18 months as lazy writing to fast track her character development or emotional connection with mac.

[little-fandom]

Theory time: 3x19

I have a few theories regerding this ‘erasing memories’ thing. 

1. Magnus goes to Jem to erase his memories of Alec, but Jem’s being like ‘you’re fucking stupid, this love is too strong, you don’t want to forget this, cherish those memories and that shit. 

2. Jem is hesitant but agrees, and that’s when we see this shot, maybe when Magnus is getting ready to have this memories taken. 

And either Magnus will realise himslef, that he just can’t do it, or that’s when Izzy comes in. 

I believe that Alec telling her this wasn’t without a reason. She’s gonna see how miserbale her brother is, and she won’t be able to stand it. So she goes to find Magnus, and tells him everything about the deal, maybe even about the proposal, begging him not to forget Alec, because it would break her brother completely, and deep down Magnus himself knows he can’t do it. 

And that’s when Magnus comes back to the Institute, confronts Alec about the deal, because he’s pissed of Alec went behind his back and did it without giving him any choice in a matter that’s about him. That’s when the breakdown Harry teased happens, they start screaming and crying, and we all will be crying too. But at the end, Magnus understand, that Alec thought he was doing the right thing, that he believe it would make him happy (and if Alec brings up that he thinks that Magnus could just move on from him I swear i will riot, and Magnus will too, because that’s so not true). That’s when Magnus ‘Aku Cinta Kamu’ (remember, Matt said we‘re gonna be thrilled with that scene, and this man has been dropping spoilers basically since the begining of the season and we didn’t believe him so… i believe him now)’, they explain everything and get back together. 

But what about Asmodeus? 

I’m not sure where to place the scene of him returing his magic to Magnus, but i’m pretty sure it has to happened before the memories things, because this shot look lik Magnus is trying to remove the memories himself with his magic. 

But then Asmodeus finds out that Alec has broken the deal and got back with Magnus, so he goes and drags his son to Edom with him. And maybe the ‘nice thing’ Asmodeus is supposed to do for malec is giving them time to say goodbye, or even get married (i know, it’s a lot, but there are those matching rings in Edom, so i dunno). But i feel like this will happen in 3x20, and 3x19 will end up with malec getting together. 

So Izzy, Jem,  im counting on you to do the right thing. You’re my hopes for the next ep. 

[alexzalben]

the synopsis for 3x17 makes it obvious that archosie break up in the musical ep because otherwise she’d be the one helping him, not veronica. they’re clearly gonna start the varchie getting back together storyline that ep.

Not saying you’re wrong, but there’s nothing about Archosie in that synopsis. I think a much clearer indicator is that they make a choice in 3x16, and then Ashleigh was wrapped for the season by 3x19 (or so).

[ventingblacklist]

3x19  Cape May

“There’s always a choice.”

Decades ago, he made a choice. A choice to save the child. Now the child is dead. All his efforts to keep her safe and happy ultimately failed. So now he saves the woman. And questions it all. 

A few things.

It’s just him. Red playing both roles, almost like a kid in the backyard acting out a movie.

Until he realizes who she is, the woman is a stranger. Although seemingly reliving past events, he mostly speaks to her and interacts with her as he would if she were an actual stranger. 

His subconscious at times tries to tell him what’s up. “I was out of my mind. There was no one. Just me.” “Tell yourself.” “Don’t be ridiculous, Raymond.” But he doesn’t get it for awhile.

General outline of major scenes: 

Scene by fire - Hurtful things said before you lose someone you love. Fight before death, so that it can never be made right again. 

Scene by table - Questioning choices. ‘Did I make the right choice all those years ago? I presumed that if I did the logical thing, the outcome would be good. But it ended in misery and death.’ And there’s nothing left for him now.

Scene by tub - Needing to blame someone for a needless death, but realizing that Nik didn’t deserve to die. So Red let him go. He’s killed many. But never anyone who, in his mind, didn’t deserve it.

Scene on couch - Companion piece to the tub scene. The flip side: sparing someone who deserves to die. Mourning the loss. No future to cling to. 

Scene in garage - Trying to understand what would drive this woman to suicide. Comparing it to his situation with Agnes now. What would he do if he knew? Beginning to understand.

Home Alone - Driving home the fact that she’s being hunted. And hints of what a working relationship with this ghost may have looked like. 

Ocean scene - Ultimately, he can’t stop the past from repeating itself. He’s sorry. But he accepts that he made the only choice he could. Despite how it all ended, he chose well. 

They did the next episode before this one. They were originally going to go right to Red showing up at Dom’s door. Thankfully they changed that. 

Now. Without further ado, on to the ep!

Red interrogates Nik. (Deleted scene reveals that Red walked out and let Nik live.)

Nik: Given her abrupt drop in blood pressure and pulse, I diagnosed a placental abruption. We performed a successful emergency C-section. She was having chest pains, shortness of breath… classic symptoms of an amniotic fluid embolism.

Nik: Her lungs were no longer functioning. I had to get her to a trauma unit. We were losing her. And she went into arrest -

Red: That’s enough.

Nik: I kept her alive long enough to become a mother. Red: What a desperate thing to say.

Nik: I don’t want to die. Red: Everyone dies someday.

So in the immediate aftermath of the last ep, Tom told Red to go away and Red talked to Nik. I assume there was also a convo with Kaplan about her having the body. Red then found his way to an opium den. Which is where we find him now. 

The little lady gets his things out of his locker and brings them to him.

"No. No, no, not yet. I want another one. I want another one. I paid and I want another.”

"No. You go. It’s Friday. It’s too long for you. You go.”

He’s been there more than one day, or the woman wouldn’t have pointed out what day it was. He’s got some facial hair growth, but not much. He takes his bag and hat, but doesn’t bother with his gun.

He walks out, all in a daze. Steps into the street into the path of a taxi. 

“You trying to get yourself killed?”

I don’t think Red is particularly suicidal in this ep, but suicide will definitely be a theme. Given that we’re about to get into some of Katarina’s story.

Red climbs in and gives him a bunch of money to go to Cape May, New Jersey. The driver says it’s 200 miles away, about the distance from DC. So Red is most likely still in DC.

While driving, Red recalls Liz’s death and part of the end of his visit with Tom and Agnes. He’ll recall the rest later when talking to the Woman.

“Now go. And stay away from us.”

More of this scene will pop up later.

Red repeats in the cab what he said to Nik. He’s looking at the picture of Liz and Katarina. This episode will be about the loss of both.

“Everyone dies someday.”

They get to the cape. Red stops to run a shaver over his face and leave a message for Marvin. 

“I’m taking a leave of indeterminate length. Suspend all transactions. Pay off all my outstanding debt. If you need additional funds to cover any shortfall, execute a wire transfer from Barbados. Dembe has a power of attorney letter on file should a signature be necessary.”

Basic business stuff. 

The cab dude comes back. Red buys the cab off of him and then goes into a diner.

One thing I like in this ep is how Red runs into honest people. The cabbie stops Red from giving him too much when he could have just taken advantage of this clearly dazed man. The metal detector will object to the amount of money Red offers him, saying the necklace isn’t worth that much.

Red orders breakfast, but when it comes, he pushes it away. A grief-driven lack of appetite? Maybe nauseous from the opium? Apparently there can be a side effect of nausea. 

He looks over and the hallucination begins. He sees Kat. But he doesn’t recognize her yet. Instead he notices this woman who appears to be hiding from a man.

She ducks into the bathroom. A man comes in, looks for her, and goes for a pay phone inside the diner. An old phone. An indication of the hallucination, or does this diner just still have an old phone? An old phone will be used to indicate hallucinated memory later.

This guy obviously answers to someone.

Red pulls up to “Sea Breaker’s Inne.”

The flags are many in this ep. I believe this may be an indication of the different person Raymond was when he first came here. Halfway through, the flag will change, will be upside down in distress as the men attack them. Perhaps an indication of the change from patriot to “traitor.” Just my speculation. Could just generally indicate danger.

The place is closed for the season.

Red goes into “Jack’s Shack” and grabs a chair. More flags stored inside.

He’s still got his bag. Just gonna take the chair out and sit on the beach.

Another flag.

Red notices the young woman from the diner kneeling on the sand. She takes her coat off. He’s curious, but apparently doesn’t think she’s going to do anything weird. He looks away.

(Deleted scene - He hallucinates Sam playing with an older Liz, maybe nine years old. He calls to Sam. That hallucination vanishes.)

Sees the man metal detecting. Looks back at her. She’s taking off her necklace. This gets his attention. Now he’s like, what is she doing?

The woman gets up and starts walking into the ocean. Leaving her coat and necklace on the sand. He runs, yelling for her to stop. Goes into the water, looking for her. It cuts to him dragging her out. 

She’s cold. He looks around. Sees the hotel.

The moment he sees it, the impression is almost, well, I guess I’ve got to go back in there. 

He gets her in front of the fireplace and goes to find a blanket. Gets one out of the housekeeping closet. Old phone.

Ships everywhere. It’s a beach resort, I would expect there to be that sort of decoration everywhere, but still. Navy symbolism.

When he closes the closet door he hallucinates the lady asking, “May I help you?” Obviously a memory. 

He walks over. Hallucination disappeared. Lights off. Newer phone. Jack and Ida Albright are the names under the picture.

He grabs the matches, turns the heat up, and goes back to help the woman. He gets a fire going and crawls under the blanket to share body warmth. He tries to get her to tell him what she was thinking.

“You’re okay. Talk to me.”

“It’s not that he died. It’s not even the way he died.”

“It’s that the things I said to him…just…before he died…”

This speaks to what Red told Liz. Her daughter killing the man she loved. But this speaks more about her own regrets in what she said to him than her not being able to handle what Liz did. It’s not even about how he died or that he died. What Red told Liz in Ambrosia is still odd to me.

(In the extended version of the scene, Red flashes back to Liz kicking him out of the room at the church. Playing into the theme of harsh words spoken before someone dies. And the conversation is longer.)

They fall asleep, or rather Red falls asleep, and I find it adorable. 

After a day of smoking and driving and fishing ghosts out of the ocean, Red is all worn out.

(Extended scene - This scene is cut down slightly from what is in the blu ray deleted scenes.)

When he wakes up, it’s night. He’s alone. Down to his t-shirt and underwear. It’s still cold in the room. He gets dressed and looks for her. He finds her upstairs, spooked by what she thinks is someone outside.

She says he’s there to kill her. Red tells her to stay out of sight and goes to fight the evil kite. There’s a chair rocking by itself. Ghost imagery.

He didn’t bring his gun, so the ax will have to do.

Similar poses.

“I found the intruder. He put up a fight. I had no choice but to kill him.”

Woman: You must think I’m crazy. Red: No.

The woman’s reaction to the kite is odd to me. It makes me wonder if the kite is symbolic of someone Red actually killed back in the day. But who knows. 

A man is seen lurking around the corner. The man from the diner. 

Red fires up the water heater. The woman says she can make a risotto. An Italian dish. He thinks he hears someone outside, so he puts out his candle. She goes upstairs to the bathtub and turns off the light. The light was on, which is odd to me.

(Extended scene - In the longer version, he throws the breaker while she keeps an eye out for any lights that were left on before they shut the electricity down for the off season. They’ll put the power on so they can make dinner, but no lights. A couple lights come on when he throws it, including the one upstairs. This is why we see her turning the light off. And it’s those lights that alert the neighbor who then calls the cop.)

He walks in after her, with the ax courteously behind his back. 

There's something kind of creepy about the way he goes up to her. And the way she's laying there. But after listening to the commentary, I don’t think anything is meant by it. Jon said he got that vibe when he first saw it too, and it didn’t sound like it was a vibe they told them to create. 

She asks if they’ll have hot water tonight. He says by the time they finish dinner. 

He praises the risotto. Going through the motions of enjoying dinner, when the truth is he couldn’t care less. The lights flicker. More ghost signs. A preview kind of, a ghost of the man electrocuted by the sink. 

In commentary, a mention was made of this being a cool way to tell past story in the present, something about parallel times was mentioned. He’s reliving the past behind a fogged mind and doesn’t realize it yet. 

Red asks her who’s trying to kill her. And if it has anything to do with what she said earlier about the man dying and words she regrets. 

Now she acts like she doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

For a bit here I think he’s living up to the “just me” theme. Talking to himself. “Out of my mind....Just me....Tell yourself.” 

His subconscious perhaps trying to get through. “Hello, there’s no one there. You’re losing your mind!” 

Reminds me of the scene on the plane - 

Director: You’re insane. Red: I wouldn’t know. 

His subconscious echoes the truth back to him. That whether the food is good or not doesn’t matter to him right now. It’s all ashes anyway. 

Back to a conversation with this stranger.

Red sees a woman who has now clammed up about what drove her to the water. Who has picked up on the fact that he has recently suffered his own loss. A woman encouraging him to share.

So he goes back and recounts what is safe to assume is about Kat and young Masha. At the end Kat confirms to him that the choice involved saving Masha. Saving her through Masha.

So he tells the story. In the way he would tell it to a total stranger.  

"It was a Hobson’s choice.”

“There was a woman and her child. Both were doomed. Both would die.”

“I could either save one or lose both. I chose the child.”

“It was… it was the worst thing I’ve ever had to do in my life. Worst thing by far.”

"You didn’t have a choice.”

"There’s always a choice.”

“I was arrogant. I presumed that there was an order to things, that there was… that if I nourished and protected and taught the child, she would be safe…and happy.”

"And she was neither.”

"No matter what I tried to do, all I brought her was misery and violence, and eventually…

“Death.”

"Yes.”

"And now you’re dead. You believe there’s nothing left for you.”

"It’s that obvious?”

"Nothing about you is obvious.”

When Red recounts the choice, his voice breaks. And there are tears reflected in her eyes. Another indication of same person, perhaps.

Hobson’s choice:

an apparently free choice when there is no real alternative

the necessity of accepting one of two or more equally objectionable alternatives

Hobson began a strict rotation system, giving each customer the choice of taking the horse nearest the stable door or none at all. This rule became known as Hobson's choice, and soon people were using that term to mean "no choice at all" in all kinds of situations.

“Both were doomed. Both would die. I could either save one or lose both.”

He doesn’t speak of killing one, but saving one. Only one could be saved, there was apparently no option for saving both.

Here, the woman, the stranger, tells him he had no choice. Which is what one would say, really. Given the choice between saving an adult and a child, one goes with the child. It might as well not even be a choice.

“There’s always a choice.” He will repeat this to her when she tells him she has no choice but to kill herself for the sake of her child. Here he’s beating himself up. Later he’s trying to be hopeful, get her to see that hey, you could choose not to do this and it could all work out somehow.

So, the question of all questions. What was this choice? I have no idea.

It seems like at the time that he made it, he expected to be able to raise the child. He’s talking about basically raising this child - nourishing, protecting, teaching. Such a thing was impossible after a certain point, after the fire.

Maybe he took her, assuming he could raise her and she'd be safe and happy. But everything unraveled. But even that doesn't make much sense.

Because if the choice was made because they were both doomed, then he would have expected that Kat would die. So why would he be so torn up about Kat dying? Why angry when she shows up looking for Masha? How does the choice he made gel with Kat committing suicide of her own free will and Red seemingly being angry about that?

Most likely he’s speaking of something he did to save the child that led to this situation where she feels suicide is her only option.? Maybe?

Maybe he expected to be able to take her from Sam once the choice was made, and then things got more complicated, but I doubt that. He was blocking Liz’s memory at that point. idk. Or maybe he’s talking about raising her by proxy through Sam. idk. Just throwing things at the wall.

More than a week passes between the fire and Kat calling Kate and telling her that the KGB found out about her affair with Raymond. And U.S. intelligence knew too. Maybe Red made some kind of a deal and things later fell apart in other ways and he couldn't go back for Masha?

Unless this choice later evaporated. Like, at the time that he made it, it was a Hobson’s choice. But circumstances changed. And in the end, Katarina walked herself into the drink. 

I’m making this far too complicated, probably. Back to the ep.

“What brought you here?”

“I honestly don’t know.”

“You’ve been here before.”

“Once, a long time ago. I was a very different person then. You?”

Take away the presence of the stranger, and you have a man questioning his choices:

“Did I make the right choice? It was awful. The worst thing I’ve ever had to do. But I didn’t really have a choice. But there’s always a choice, I was just arrogant. I thought I could give her a good life. But in the end she was neither safe nor happy and all I managed to do was bring her misery and death. And now I might as well be dead too. I don’t know why I even came here.”

Why did he go there (other than the writers coming up with this cool idea of showing the past in the present)? If I had to venture a guess, it has to do with the fact that Liz was the last piece of Katarina. Just like Agnes is the last piece of Liz. So the death of the child brings him back to the death of the mother.

Red loses Liz and where does he end up? Where he lost Katarina. And this time he saves her.

He clearly didn’t want to lose either one of them. Now he’s lost the one he chose to save. He’s driven from Agnes. He has nothing left. His mind summons Kat’s ghost out of the ocean and asks it if he made the right choice.

“Their” dinner is interrupted by a curious cop. Red convinces him he’s a friend of the owner. In the extended version of the scene, the cop sees Red’s ax. Red says they were worried by being out here all alone. The cop gives Red his ax back and says they haven’t had anything major happen in over twenty-five years.

The woman takes a bath while Red sits and guards.

“‘Jack’s Shack.’ He took pride in that. Decorated it, carved his name on it. It’s falling apart. I figured he was either sick or dead.”

“You sound like an actuary.”

“I am, in a way.”

“Have you ever killed anyone?”

“That’s an odd question.” “Have you?”

In the extended version, Red now flashes back to getting up and walking out of the room, leaving Nik alive. Then it comes back to this scene for this line: 

“Yes. Many. But never anyone who didn’t deserve it.” “Me, too.” “I know.” “How?” “There aren’t a lot of us. You learn to recognize it.” “...Yes.”

The way she says “yes” is very odd. I mean, it’s muffled by her knee, but it’s very emphatic.

So his brain goes from analyzing the Holmesian guesswork he used to make the cop go away, to killing people. Killing people who deserve it. Recognizing others who kill.

I lean toward Kat actually committing suicide by walking into the ocean. But if Red somehow killed her, perhaps this is supposed to be a clue that she deserved to die. Probably not though, because it seems to pretty clearly be about the Nik thing. Then again, since that didn’t make the cut, they could ignore that part of it.

The sound of glass breaking interrupts their conversation. Red goes downstairs to find a pane of glass in the door broken. He sees no one.

He looks back upstairs. Perhaps thinking that the glass was a distraction for him while the attacker goes after the woman, he gets a fireplace poker and hurries back upstairs to the bath. He finds the shower curtain drawn. The woman’s disembodied voice warns, “Behind you.”

The man from the diner attacks. Red struggles with him. The woman comes in and kills him.

Red: You know him? Woman: It doesn’t matter. He’s one of them. Not the first, not the last.

It sounds like she says, “The first, not the last.” But the transcripts and the captions say “not the first.” Does it matter? Probably not.

Red takes a phone off the man’s body. The woman brings the bucket and they clean the scene.

The woman plays piano for a bit and then they talk again.

Now he’s wondering why she tried to kill herself.

"Why did you go into the water? What made you decide?”

"You’ve never killed anyone who didn’t deserve it.”

"Yes.” "That is a fine thing. A noble thing. But not terribly difficult.”

Why does she respond by talking about killing people who deserve to die when he asks this? Odd.

At this point he’s still simply asking this stranger what made her decide to kill herself. But I think a large chunk of this episode is Red realizing why Kat killed herself (assuming that is in fact what happened).

He asks this question after the first attack. After the first attacker is killed in self-defense. And ultimately this woman will tell him - to protect her child. Because as long as she exists, her life will be in danger.

But the woman doesn’t answer him about her motivations here. Perhaps because his brain doesn’t know the answer yet. Instead his mind goes back to the killing conversation.

I can’t say if her question in response speaks to what happened with Kat, or if it’s just his brain bouncing back to finish his previous thought because it hits a wall with regards to her motivations.

idk. This could go down some really twisted roads, but it’s probably just a way to lead back into the Tom thing. 

“Have you ever spared someone who deserved to die?”

Killing bad guys who deserve it is one thing. Not killing someone who does deserve it is another. The latter being much more difficult. Red doesn’t give the details of why Tom deserves death. He simply explains why he spared him.

“There was a woman I loved. She was… my life. My heart. And she died.” 

People might think this an odd way to tell the story. But remember, this woman is a stranger to him at this point. Generalities, “woman,” “man,” “little girl,” etc... are how he shares without giving details to a stranger who shouldn’t have them.

Daddygate Detour:

Allow me to slip into my daddygate shoes for a moment.

People think it odd that he would speak this way about his child. “A woman I loved.” Well, Liz was a woman at that point. Be odd to call her a girl. And “girl” could also have a romantic context. He’s not going to call her his daughter or his child. He won’t call her that to anyone close to him, let alone this stranger he fished out of the ocean. 

But at this point there was still third man wiggle room, so I can see the shippers taking it their way.

Anyway, shoes off.

“She left behind a little girl. One last, precious piece of herself.”

Red flashes back to the last time he saw Agnes. Tom tells him to go away. Red says she’ll need protection. Tom says, only if Red is in her life. Which might be the second dumbest thing he’s ever said.

“I won’t let you make the same mistake with her, that you made with Liz.”

As much of a poopyhead Tom is being here, I kind of like that Red acknowledges his right as the father to chase him out. Red goes. But Red leaves a protective detail. This annoys Tom since his goal is to slip away at some point and meet Liz.

The look Red gives him though. He is devastated.

Tom is in on the plot and knows Liz is alive, even as he stands blaming Red’s presence in her life for her death. Which is hilariously rich given that it was Tom’s betrayal that caused all of this.

I was thinking about it though. What does Tom need? Tom needs Red to go away. To back out willingly. So that he and Agnes can slip away to go to Liz without needing to worry about Red pursuing them for the rest of their lives. 

Playing on Red’s guilt, and on Red’s desire to protect Agnes... that might be the way to accomplish that. ‘Unless you want Agnes to end up like Liz, go away and leave us alone. And take your protection with you. She won’t need protection if you’re gone.’ He’s playing Red as perfectly as he knows how. Trying to convince Red to stay away.

Red, although desperate to be part of Agnes’ life, goes. Because Tom is her father. And as much as Red may think he deserves to die, he won’t kill him for her sake. So he’s on the outs. At least for now. His attitude on this will change a bit as the war with Kirk heats up. 

"I would give anything to be a part of that child’s life.”

As Red expresses this, the woman mirrors his position again. Another indication that it’s only him? Or that Kat felt similarly about Masha? Or perhaps that Kat’s ghost feels that way about Agnes? Perhaps I’m reading way too far into this?

He’s feeling a little sorry for himself here. Not that you can blame him.

“But a man made it clear I would never see her… hold her… watch her grow. And I knew in that moment, I would never be any part of that beautiful little girl’s life. Because…”

"He was her father.”

"And to harm him would be to harm her. A mortal sin.”

“Her mother is gone. The father is what she has left in the world.”

"Her father.”

"Yes.”

An odd reiteration here by the woman.

I’ve wondered if this is his brain beginning to suspect Kirk. Or perhaps Kat felt similarly about Red?

Other theories are that he’s talking about himself, sparing himself for Liz’s sake. But then the whole thing becomes about Kat and Masha rather than Liz and Agnes. And while I did wonder about that the first time I saw the ep, I’m not sure it bears out. I’ll take this one at face value and say that he is in fact talking about Liz and Agnes and Tom, not Kat and Masha and himself.

  The woman picks up the phone they took off the dead dude. Someone asking Gregory what’s going on. The woman breaks the phone.

“We don’t have much time. They’re coming.”

They take the wrapped up dead body and put it in the trunk of the car. Apparently going to take “Gregory” and split before reinforcements show up. 

Red gets ready to drive, while the woman just kind of wanders off in an almost zombie-like state. Headed back to the water. Red catches her. 

“I’m not leaving without you.”

“Yes, you are.”

“No. I’m not.”

“Those men are after me. It’s my problem, not yours.”

“You made it my problem the moment you walked into the ocean.”

“I didn’t ask for your help. Let me go.”

“No.”

"You made it my problem when you walked into the ocean." Is this simply him speaking to this woman, or is this an allusion to Kat's enemies becoming his problem once she walked into the ocean?

It's hard because I'm not sure what lines to read more into and what to accept at face value. So I'm kind of putting all options out there.

“Why not? What difference does it make to you?”

What difference does it make to Red? He’s lived in the aftermath of a suicide for the past thirty years.

(Lotte does such a terrific job here. Honestly, the first time I saw this ep, I was almost more impressed by her than by Spader himself.)

He launches into the story of the suicide bombing. A great analogy, but I’ll cut to the chase:

"There was almost nothing left of the people closest to him. Seventeen dead, forty-six injured. Blown to pieces. The closer they were to the bomber, the more horrific the effect.”

“Stop.”

“That’s every suicide. Every single one.”

“An act of terror perpetrated against everyone who’s ever known you… Everyone who’s ever loved you. The people closest to you… the ones who cherish you… are the ones who suffer the most pain, the most damage.”

“Why would you do that? Why would you do that to people who love you?”

“I have no choice.”

“There’s always a choice.”

“Is there? That little girl. The one you told me about? The one whose father you spared? What would you do if you knew, knew, that as long as you drew breath, as long as you continued to exist, her life would be in danger? She would be hunted, and she would be killed. What would you do?”

Suicide to protect your loved ones. I think of Mako Tanida. Making people kill themselves, or he'll go after their families.

“What would you do?”

Her question to Red gives me a little shiver up my spine. Asking him what he would do if Agnes’ life was in danger because he exists. 

He comes from Tom and Kate blaming him for what happened to Liz. And Tom telling him that Agnes is only in danger if he is in her life. This blends with what Katarina did (presumably) in his mind.

Now the woman asks him what he would do if he knew his existence meant death for that little girl he spoke of. It’s such an intense push-in on his face, and at the end he just whispers, “what would you do?” Of course, she killed herself. Presumably. It’s a moment that makes me nervous on the heels of everyone saying he was a danger to Agnes.’

I think it’s just meant to make him understand why Kat did what she did. In the Troll Farmer, Red indicates not knowing for sure now why Kat “disappeared,” although he thought he knew for sure at one point.

Red’s mind goes through this thing that will eventually reveal itself to be about Katarina’s motivations. Motivations he questions a few times in this episode.

At the beginning, she indicates it has to do with a man, about falling out with him before he died. 

Later he asks on the couch what made her decide. She doesn’t answer. 

Here he’s gripping her, desperately asking why, why would she do that to people who loved her?

And her answer - because her existence was a danger to her child. So she ended her existence. Red’s guilt over Liz and everyone’s warnings about Agnes brings him to that conclusion. A conclusion it doesn’t seem like he’d come to before.

“My child is being raised by someone else. I am her mother… and I am death to her. So this is what I’m doing. I never wanted this.”

“I know.”

“Then go.”

“I can’t.”

His “I know.” The mental wall between “woman” and “Kat” grows ever thinner.

His brain puts all these things together. Helps him realize that Kat did it to protect her child. At least, that’s my current thinking. Because I never get a sense from him before this that he believed Kat had super noble intentions. In the pilot he said she died of weakness and shame. Derisive terms. He assigns her no great motivation.

In Ambrosia he told Liz that Kat did it because she couldn’t handle everything. That in the end she was weak, that what Liz did was the last straw; it was too much.

I can’t fathom Red basically letting Liz feel blame for having a part in causing her mother’s death unless he believed it.

So I think part of what’s happening in this ep is Red being put in her shoes and realizing what Katarina was thinking. 

What would he do if he thought his existence put Agnes in danger? What would he do? Would he do what Kat did?

He seems to have chosen the opposite of Kat with regards to Liz. Kat told Kate that if she loved Masha, she’d walk away. Everyone in season four is telling Red he needs to let her go. He’s like, no. He was out of her life for years and years, just like Dom, but he’s not going to stop watching out for her. 

Red stays to help the woman fight off the incomers. 

He has to look absolutely insane going around with no one there.

They set traps. A car pulls up. She tells him he still has time to go. 

"I don't know your name."

"Don't be ridiculous, Raymond."

I think that's my favorite part of the whole episode. So epic.

The men arrive. The flag is now upside down.

Wikipedia -

Flying an American flag upside down.... has its origin in a distress signal; displaying a flag in this manner is "a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property"...It can also be viewed as an act of desecration.

My speculation is that this somehow symbolizes Red’s cross over from patriot to traitor. Or, at least, to distressed patriot. Based on this and Red telling the stranger that he was a very different person the first time he came to this place.

According to commentary, the upside down flag was a director decision. Most likely merely as a symbol of distress, a distress call. I still leave my theory in there though because it still feels like somehow, after this, he crossed over and couldn’t go back. 

Four men get out of the car. There must be another car we don’t see.

According to commentary they had a bunch more attackers, or made it look like they did, in the first cut, but realized it was too much and scaled it back to keep it more in line with the feel of the episode. The point is made. People coming to kill her. And thus to kill them.

The director of the ep has a military background. The men he has coming in are kind of his guys, aka, other dudes who know this stuff. They had flexibility in plotting the Home Alone attacks.

I had this whole wonderment about whether these attackers represented Cabal member regions, but in light of this info, never mind. 

Wordless communication. Red with the ship behind him. Navy symbolism? 

Wall between them.

The woman throws one attacker off the roof and uses his signals to reveal the sniper's position. Red shoots the sniper.

Rundown of those killed:

one bashed on the sink in the bathroom one thrown off the roof one shot in the grass one electrocuted in the kitchen one stabbed one hanged by piano wire...I think another stabbed one killed by propane explosion another one shot

Nine altogether. The number of Cabal voting members. But per commentary, the number they ended up with was apparently just the way the editing shook down and means nothing.

Red says they need to clean up and clear out. The woman tells him to get the car.

It's day now.

The car has a flat tire. Busted up back bumper. Cracked window. Been in an accident looks like.

He's coming out of it. Hallucinations are gone, but he doesn't realize yet that they were hallucinations.

He goes back in and the bodies are all gone. Everything's clean.

He looks everywhere for the woman. The shower curtain is back up, no longer wrapped around a dead body in the trunk of the car.

He looks out the window. She's headed for the ocean.

He runs to stop her, but by the time he gets there, she's gone.

The metal detector is there. Digging a hole to get something he’s found. Red asks if he saw a woman go into the water.

"The only living soul I've seen on this stretch in over two weeks is just you."

"Just me?"

Red flashes back, remembers himself saying lines the woman supposedly said, playing the piano the woman supposedly played.

The detector gets to what he was digging for. The woman's necklace.

Red buys it.

"It ain't worth anywhere near that."

"It is to me."

Red is running into all sorts of honest people today.

Also, he must recognize the necklace.

He washes it off in the ocean.

"To Katarina, love Papa."

"You had no choice. It was me or Masha."

"I'm sorry."

Apparently he didn't hear her very well the first time. So she reiterates that he made the only choice he could. And by saving Masha, he saved her.

"Raymond, you did save me. Through her. It was the only way.”

“You choose well."

Of course it’s really his own brain telling him this.

He now realizes he’s been out of his mind and that she’s not really there. And there’s this guy watching him. I'd like to see Red's reaction to Katarina when he's not being watched. 

These things that Kat says here, I take as having writer-weight behind them. As in, this is a message the writers are giving us, not just Red’s own brain being very confident in its decision-making abilities.

Maybe this is Red forgiving himself. 

He made the only choice he could. Everyone dies someday.

The detector calls out to him. Says he seems a little lost. Red nods. When he turns back to the water, she's gone.

He tells the detector he has to go see someone. The necklace being a nice little transition from this episode to the next.

I love too how Red spends zero minutes thinking about all of this. There’s nothing like, ‘huh. I just legit went nuts for a day.’ There’s just, ‘I gotta go see a guy. About a thing.’

[edwardnashtons]

This might just be me but: In 3x18, the reunion scene was all angry music, and Ed's "You're alive?" made him sound furious. In 3x19, the scene has "Penguin in Love" playing, arguably the nygmobblepot theme, as it appears in most of their highly charged scenes. Ed's "You're alive?" seems much softer and more disbelieving to me. 3x18 is Oswald's point of view. 3x19 is Ed's. In 3x18 Oswald goes in angry, ready to kill him. We get a very angsty, tense vibe. In 3x19 Ed is in disbelief he is alive, and I'm assuming unsure how to proceed at first. He's testing the waters, trying to see if Oswald is real and serious about killing him. However, we get a very playful vibe between them this ep with their antics. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Oz is being angsty as hell about this and is deadass serious about killing Ed (or at least thinks he is), whereas Ed is actually having a great time now that he's back because he missed having this dynamic, having Oswald, in his life. Hopefully Oz catches on and starts to feel the same way. I still believe he loves Ed but it's kinda the same deal as with Isabella. In Gotham, you can't let someone cross you and get away with it just because you have strong feelings for them (See Falcone and Ed). They have to pay, often with their life. If Oz changes his plan and ends the cycle I think there's a chance to move forwards, because I think what this ep showed is that Ed would be receptive to that. Oswald has already proven to be unconventional in this manner by letting Fish live, as she did for him. Ed and Falcone would be in the Gotham City's traditional, retribution-oriented box. Whereas Oz and Fish so far seem to have made exceptions to that rule for one another, and Oswald was willing to make an exception for Ed prior to being shot. Since Oswald puts it so well, I'll call this the "love conquers all" box. I don't know what choice Oz is going to ultimately go with, but I know what's been established and I can only hope. Eventually, circumstances are going to force a choice, and since we know that Fish, Oz, and Ed are working together in the finale, I hope that's a good sign.

[aspiestvmusings]

Quintis S3 “one cap/moment per ep” faves POLL

What do YOU think of these choices for one cap/moment per ep?

3x01 teamwork/fight on the roof/in the garage VS “I’m in love with you facial expressions 

3x02 “eating family style/family of two” moment in the end

3x03 SUGGESTIONS (no shots of just the two of them, alone)?

3x04 “I’m pregnant” moment (facial expressions edited together) VS them sitting/standing next to each other during scenes with/about Daniel

3x05 Happy order pie from errand boy Toby

3x06 Rocking chair talk end scene

3x07 Cd-baby/Proposal end scene hug 

3x08 Forehead kiss at 4:30am 

3x09 Team Quintis in the background cheering

3x10 Backrow movie watching (opening scene)

3x11 Snuggling at the cabin VS gift exchange end scene

3x12 Team Quintis saving Cabe teamwork op (forehead kiss)

3x13 Distraction kiss VS “We’re both broke” end scene

3x14 Team Quintis “in the background” 

3x15 Quintis  “I’m never gonna be bored by you”  end scene

3x16 one of their phone/comm talks - facial expressions edited together (examples: love bug, look what I learned from my my main squeeze...) 

3x17 Happy’s feet resting on Toby’s lap VS Happy’s hallucination versions of T/H VS happy ending Baby!Quintis walking into sunset

3x18 Quintis forehead kiss (opening scene)  

3x19 Quintis end scene “councelling session” with dr. Cecil (”You’re perfect for each other” 

3x20 Quintis looking at the wedding list (opening scene, “We’re not getting a MOH&BestMan”) VS Toby checking on Happy after the girls are rescued VS T/H facial expressions edited together from “he’s crazy in love with you” moment 

3x21 Quintis at the spa  

3x22 Quintis moving in together opening scene (”fighting” on the street) VS Toby touching Happy’s lower back for demonstration VS Happy’s “homewarming” gift scene

3x23 Quintis wedding (wows, kiss, dance, looks...) 

3x24 Plane crash “I love you./I love you, too” moment VS Quintis operating on Scotty “being your wife is my favourite things” VS 3 weeks later channel surfing by the sea

3x25 Quintis “one minute alone” make-out sessions VS Quintis secret meeting with forehead kiss VS “so happy to be saved” cheer kiss VS friendly-friendly-friends (flamingo costume) end scene

Thoughts? If you have any specific moment/cap (Toby’s and/or Happy’s facial expression at a specific moment in a scene to suggest, please do so. Cause there are many little random scenes and moments, where they are just casually “Quintis” in the background - standing next to each other, her feet resting on his legs...while just sitting there) Some random small background scenes/moments can be visually the best... for this. Would you  choose from the ones I mentioned or suggest a better option?

ETA: Thanks to everyone who replied (here, via messages or emails) & made suggestions! I’ve written the suggestions/comments down!