#elysian hi3

[bellatrixdulac]

At the end of the day, I don't think the whole deal with the Herrscher of Origin made much sense yet.

Okay, she was Herrscher number "zero" and not the thirteenth...fine. But it should just mean that HoReason is actually the second. Just because the MOTHs (or Elysia herself) didn't know one of their own was born an Herrscher years before, it doesn't make it any less real and their count any less wrong. Like the fact alone that she wasn't the last one isn't enough to explain why HoReason was the first one to appear in this era. Granted, HoHuman doesn't really create a mess like the others apparently, but you can bet Otto would not just...miss an Herrscher, even if it was technically listed as the second to last in the PE records.

Hopefully Mei's Herrscher of Origin thing will clear things up, but so far it just seems like she inherited the HoO because Elysia loved her really really much.

Besides, their conclusion that Kevin should do project Stigmata because HoC was the last one before Finality... It's not like Binding and Death actually showed their faces at the end. Especially Death! You could make a point for Otto to be HoB at the end but nobody even knows about Seele's second personality. And she's not an Herrscher more than like...Sakura anyways.

[minxinq]

[raven-sng]

Eden in a dress...

[zephyrine-gale]

Farewell, hero Welcome home

[endlesslytired]

Penacony is nutty AND IM HERE FOR IT!!! Listened to White Night like 5-6 times now today.

(watched both seasons of Cooking With Valkyries. now I've seen that and ELF Academy. I LOVE THESE ANIME SERIES! Need to watch Golden Courtyard next.)

[nattnattkatt]

ellie

[artemis-artblog]

"The ending of the Flame-Chasers must be grand and spectacular. What do you think, dear Eden? " "You're right Ellie. Let's start our very last ball."

Taglist: @mocha-bunbun @creaturre @diah-the-demon @lauch-for-everyone @radioactive-juice

[emypony]

DOES ANYONE HAPPEN TO HAVE THE FLAMECHASER SPRITES IN FULL

like this?

tbh im only looking for fu hua but ... yeah. the only person who knew how to get them (or had them, i believe) deactivated from here (or changed their url and i couldn't find them anymore) and when i tried to get the sprites from what I could remember when I asked them a while back, It didn't work :(

sob. help a girlie out in need...

[elysian-graveyard]

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[kiochisato]

Yeah, this should be a viable definition of perfection. ❥　.　➶　 for @cherryshh's 850+ followers event ! Day OO3 ─ A character you think is underrated OR A character you think is overrated.

[eggcatmaki]

Sus doctors with closed eyes (ー_ー)

Early post for the Honkai communities of Tumblr yayyy Su is the one and only doctor for me but Jiaoqiu is very fun too!! Also developed a Baizhu fascination overnight.. doctor that seems sly etc.

The background is based off of the golden courtyard of the flame-chasers, I'd like to draw Pardo and Elysia + Eden some time this summer!

[iodrawsandtalks]

Black Moth

Do not reference hawk moth dont fucking say hawk moth no hawk moth.

Black swan as Aponia from hi3

They share a cn va besides several outfit similarities

anyways back to my chronically online cave

[minxinq]

bunny ely for lesbian day 💕🐰

[magicalgirlsirin]

hi rly enjoyed ur post on elysian realm! ik ur a new fan (i am too) but i heard that before retcon, elysia was a lot more morally gray. would you happen to know how exactly?? im rly curious bc i think it would be a severe improvement obviously. we deserve complex women who do wrongs

So when I say retcon in relation to the elyrealm arc it's less so "things they changed because of the story evolving and wanting to expand previously established events" and more "things they straight up forgot about in service of making Elysia a herrscher". It's not like hi3 is a stranger to retcons though?

For example, Durandal being the "original" Kiana is a retcon. The fact that our Kiana was a clone remained the same, but it's clear from older story stuff (iirc it's Everlasting Memory/Theresa's chronicle set?; second eruption manga doesn't focus on the Kiana part) that Durandal wasn't originally there. Otto refers to Kiana as K-423, and that Theresa needs to retrieve her, which implies that Theresa knows it's not Siegfried and Cecilia's kid, but her distress remains the same. The later game retcon by Thus Spoke Apocalypse is that OG!Kiana and Siegfried were going to go retrieve K-423, but OG!Kiana ended up injured and so Siegfried only left with K-423. And if you're confused then so am I because the details don't really super line up with the presentation, but it's like, fine, because at the end of the day the current writing intention and trajectory is for Durandal and Kiana to be sisters, and to both be Siegfried's daughters.

Anyways, for Elysia, a lot of her retcons occur in a very rapid pace from the first realm chapter set to Elysium Everlasting. Like I mentioned in my last post, the herrscher reveal is nonsense just going off of basic information like the fact she received MANTIS surgery like all the other Flame Chasers. However, there are other plot threads that are completely dropped for the sake of making Elysia a very special good girl who you should love because she's so nice and never did anything bad.

[About Betrayal 1 - Chapter 2]

[About Betrayal 2 - Chapter 2]

Elysia the traitor plot is something I was, well not hopeful for (a friend had already warned me that the game wouldn't do anything interesting with it] but I still ended up mulling it over a lot because it was such an interesting hinge piece for her initial presentation.

What stands out to me is the phrasing. Kevin says she never endangered humanity even if she was a traitor. Kevin says that Elysia made a decision. This implies agency, like Elysia was actively choosing to do something dangerous for the sake of the Flame Chasers. However, if Elysia was a herrscher from the beginning, then none of this makes sense. She doesn't choose to be a herrscher if she was one from the beginning, so why even make it seem like her betrayal was her choice at all?

[Traitor - Chapter 1]

It doesn't stop there though. Mobius' active disdain implies that whatever choice Elysia made, it was enough to make Mobius of all people consider her a lost cause. Mobius, who body mods and injects honkai energy into anyone with a pulse (hyperbole) to try and make humanity last just the slightest bit longer.

[Traitor - Chapter 1]

Mobius wants us to doubt Elysia's intentions. If you go through all their shared information, you'll find that the worst Elysia really does is just... coerce Mobi to wear pink dresses, and while that is obnoxious, it wouldn't warrant utter contempt for Elysia as a person.

There's actually a lot of stray text that implies there's something wrong about Elysia's existence, which I guess in generous terms could be interpreted as setup for the herrscher reveal? But it just feels like it's just there to add to the mystery that won't go anywhere.

[The Blind Spot - Recollection]

This right here nags at me. Deeply so. Elysia isn't so much a character as much as she is just a concept, the idea of a story that could be told. Not even in the canon-compliant weird endgame hook meta-textual breakout in Transcending Finality about the power of stories... Although, there's a way to introduce it here and tie it to Elysia to give some semblance of connectivity.

I went this long without actually giving my thoughts on how to make Elysia's writing good though. Disclaimer for clarity sake I know not everyone will agree with the changes I want to make and I'm also not claiming to be a more skilled writer than anyone in the hi3 team, they're all people with enough talent to be employed by the company.

That out of the way.

This isn't so much about making Elysia morally grey as much as it is about giving her an emotional core, because right now she's pretty hollow. Rather than a pristine girl who never did anything wrong, I'd rather cast her as a romantic, tragic heroine who would move heaven and fate just to seem noble.

Elysia was born human. Maybe she loved stories, and how they transported her to far off places, far far far away from the tiny town she was growing up in. When she was old enough, she traveled the world. Honkai descends. Because she was a globe trotter she ended up connected to many people, and was given the chance to join the MOTH organization. She gets MANTIS surgery. As the number of soon-to-be Flame Chasers grow, discussion begins about if the strength of the soldiers is enough.

'Maybe, if I had power comparable to a herrscher, we could fight with less casualties.'

She doesn't say this out loud, of course. It's a dangerous thought, a line that shouldn't be crossed. But she's curious. She breaks into Mobius' lab [Miss Pink Spy - Pristine Memory] to find the information she wants. Mobius figures out her intentions and warns Elysia off. It's not even in consideration, so keep whatever plan you have in mind off the table before you do something irreversible.

Mobius thought that Elysia gave up on the plan after the seventh erruption. The haunted look behind Kevin's eyes, the sadness creasing Elysia's face, all of it makes it seem like a simple consideration forgotten by the sands of time.

Elysia doesn't have a discipline. She told Dr. Mei it wasn't needed since her combat performance was well above standard margins anyways. (She is on par with Kevin in strength, after all.) At least, we all thought she didn't. A deal is made with Aponia.

Aponia, Aponia, apostle of fate, I offer you my 'humanity' to become a 'story'.

Elysia cannot receive any more disciplines. The target has to be "human". Elysia as a story, unchanging, pristine, capable of remaining as she is without blemish, can reach out and become a herrscher while remaining herself. She's desperate. She wants to help. She reaches into the deep, the start of the universe, and gathers the power. She names it Origin, since it's something she found at the source.

She's a herrscher.

Herrschers are an enemy of humanity.

Kevin runs her through with Shamash.

Elysia is still herself though, talking like she would as usual.

-Oh Kevin, I wanted to know if your tears would freeze, but I was hoping it wouldn't be like this. They're so warm, though. Thank you for crying for me.

-I see no herrscher here, just... the flame chaser, bearing the signet of ego.

The Elysian Realm keeps a secret. Aponia keeps it, the fact that Elysia gave up her humanity. The final banquet? A polite way to refer to Elysia's own demise.

It's sad, isn't it? That strength she wanted to give fell right through her fingers. Her own undoing, the desperate plan of a foolish girl who wanted to be a hero, but only ending up as a villain to oppose. It's so much more meaningful, then, that Elysia's gift, the power of sapience, is kept on to the next cycle of humanity. Held again, the power of ego, of humans, to someone with a kind heart to move beyond the past she's trapped in. Thank you, Raiden Mei, for carrying on the ideals of the thirteen trailblazers, the moths who chase the flame.

so anyways yeah i think elysia couldve been interesting whos to say

[like-red-lads]

Narrator: You're locked up in jail. the devil stood in front of you and offers a promise. your name is kalpas

[endlesslytired]

World Serpent/Flamechaser post! I realised I had a collection so I made this a post of its own.

Context for this last one - vvv

I made a new account bc my steam one has some really annoying limitations, but I was pretty deep in the main story and didn't do much Elysian Realm so I decided to actually do that properly this time. Insane place and Mei is taking no shit, I love it.