#dude I should make forsaken fanart now
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@starscourge-nightgaunt HEY LOOK AT THIS
90% of gamblers or whatever lets go gambling
also eye view bc i needed to convey how cool it would look in motion
#what the fuck#this is peak#this is so awesome#my friend is gonna love this#pspspspsp#forsaken#forsaken roblox#chance forsaken#dude I should make forsaken fanart now#this is so cool#I'd probably draw paycheck#mwehehehehe
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It’s time to grow up, and it’s been time for an embarrassingly long time. Very long and probably offensive post below - do NOT say I didn’t warn you.
I just had an impulsive thought, but I’m gonna back it up with good evidence, so don’t judge me or try to stop me just yet.
I can’t be in the Beatles fandom anymore.
I know that doesn’t sound that significant, but, um...well, I write for the fandom, for a particular, very small, pretty unpopular part of the fandom, but I do, nonetheless. And maybe it’s because that part of the fandom is the only thing I’ve been interested in for an enduring three years or so and so I notice and analyze a lot about it. Well, I think my reason for leaving wouldn’t just be related to that part of the fandom, though.
Maybe the analysis started when I finally found I was able to properly critique George Harrison, the man I, and seemingly along with most of this god-forsaken site, considered a saint. Well, on that subject, let’s just say that even SAINTS (the ideal ones, mind you) know how to respect women, complete with not treating them like commodities he could toss aside when he was done with them. Yes, maybe that’s harsh, but I don’t trust men who don’t respect women because I really haven’t been taught to trust men otherwise. So there’s that.
But then the other part, again/still has to do with George, but it also extends to the other Beatles, too, and that is...infantilization. I feel like the only way people realistically justify their love for the Beatles is through their ability to infantilize them because, let’s face it, all of them at some point or another were pieces of shit. John beat his wives, Paul slept with ten billion women as did George (THAT’S AN OVERSTATEMENT FOR ANYONE POLICING THIS POST, GOODBYE), and Ringo beat his wife(/wives), too. None of them were statuesque human beings (and yet, here we are, all over the fucking world...), and yet people still heroize them like they were flawless.
In some people’s defense, I will say that those more interested in the Beatles’ MUSIC than the musicians as people are probably on the right track and doin’ well; there’s nothing wrong with admiring someone’s talent and being inspired by it. But I feel like this needs to be straightened out: the Beatles as people really are hardly people to look up to and base your values around. Maybe, arguably, NO ONE ought to be used as a singular example to base one’s values around - I think a lot of good people have acknowledged their humanity and their unwillingness to be represented as role models, and I think they’ve really got the right idea. In other words, it’s good to “take notes,” so to speak, but USE YOUR DAMN JUDGMENT, FOR CHRIST’S SAKE.
Now, to get back to the thought I didn’t quite finish about the Beatles being infantilized - seriously. If someone does discover the ability to critique them, they can’t seem to do so without further stating, “...but I love them, anyway.” If you can’t justify your love or admiration for them as otherwise pure, then you’ve got no justification to begin with. (And by pure, I don’t mean “non-sexual” or “pure of heart” type of thing - speaking on the Beatles, a pure love would be love that only considers the music and not the people who make it. Shocking concept, I know!) But I’d argue that the type of justification for loving/admiring the Beatles that ends in “...but I love them, anyway” inherently infantilizes them because it’s still being used as a way to justify and excuse their bad behavior. If you do not know these people personally, you are not obligated to love them unconditionally, which is what is being attempted (even while still attempting to critique them harshly, sometimes). Another point is, by justifying your love for them, you’re not only excusing their poor behavior, but also, in fact, PROMOTING it. Like I said, if you don’t know these people personally, then you’re not obligated to love them unconditionally, and thus, if they fuck up, THEY PROBABLY DON’T DESERVE YOUR ABIDING LOVE AND ADMIRATION UNLESS YOU ADMIRE AND THUS CONDONE THE SHITTY THINGS THEY’VE DONE.
But now, in less general examples, I’m gonna lay on some more shit about George that I’ve noticed in the fandom, in any part of the fandom, mind you. This is also the main reason I’ve finally come to the realization that I can’t associate myself with this fandom anymore (look, I’m not saying I’m perfect and that I realized this shit way before like I should have, because I didn’t, evidently why I’m writing about it now as am I finally realizing it - so basically, I’m not trying to fault anyone who hasn’t come to the realization themselves, yet, just that they SHOULD if they haven’t and SOON): I’ve noticed people infantilizing THE ABSOLUTE HELL out of George Harrison, and I suppose for the longest time I ignored it (because I thought it was gross and I do try to ignore things I think are gross), but now I’m not ignoring it any longer. People talking about the way he lost his virginity, about the way Paul always treated him (referred to him as his little brother), about the way JOHN always treated him, and thus people have seemed to learn that it is okay and that it’s always okay to treat George like A KID. Well, see, that’s how he’s gotten away with all of the bullshit that he has - because everyone’s infantilized him and thus excused his shitty behavior. BUT that’s not all...I’m also GROSSLY UNCOMFORTABLE and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN with the way people have portrayed and perpetuated George’s relationship with Paul, focusing on the way Paul has always treated George like his superior and older brother even though, as George has stated countless times, he’s “only 9 months older than him” (that seriously is not a big difference...that’s literally like two babies, one right after the other, in age/time difference. One LITERALLY RIGHT after the other. Hello, do we all know how long pregnancy generally lasts? Sorry to be gross, but I’m JUST SAYING). Of course, considering I was a fan of George for the longest time, I also was always uncomfortable with the way John and George’s relationship has been portrayed - that John, so much older than George, couldn’t be bothered by the inferior pest. So it obviously started with the Beatles, themselves, infantilizing George, and of course everyone else has perpetuated it...however, the means in which I’ve seen fans do so are often highly inappropriate and make me UNCOMFORTABLE AS FUCK via the pedo/incestuous vibes. Yep. Not joking here. I don’t joke about that shit.
Of course you could argue, “But it’s just fanfiction/fanart, it’s not real!!!!!1!!” And trust me, my dudes, no one knows that argument better than me. But it’s still the MESSAGE that is put across, the morals that are being valued and promoted here. THAT is what I can’t accept any longer. I can deal with the fact that it’s fictitious and someone’s art and therefore it should have some semblance of respect, but when it crosses moral boundaries, that’s when I have to say, “HIT THE ROAD, JACK; GOODBYE, JACK.”
So basically what I’m saying is: straight and oversexed Beatles, gay Beatles, friend-Beatles, idealized and perfect Beatles, however-the-fuck-they-exist-in-your-head-or-writing-or-art I don’t care for anymore. I want no part of the people who were the Beatles, and if I continue to appreciate anything related to the Beatles anymore, it will strictly be under the subject of their music and nothing else.
So yeah, what I’m also saying is, if anyone who follows me and read all the way down to here and knows of the fanfiction I write, well, my good reader dude who I appreciate otherwise, I’m sorry, but I won’t be continuing any more. But thanks for reading my writing even though it’s highly inappropriate and I don’t condone any of it anymore. Sorry, again. Maybe eventually I’ll write something I’m proud of, but that shit was not it.
Thanks for not enjoying not killing me not getting into any arguments with me surrounding this shit because I truthfully cannot be fucking bothered at this time reading.
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