#doesn't seem like it made a damn lick of difference wrt henry's fidelity and eventual (altho with vastly different results)
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"She had found it difficult to make the transition from a mistress with the upper hand to the submissive wife that Henry, a conventional husband, now expected her to be, and her tantrums sorely tried him, driving him to seek solace in other beds"
Interesting quote and a common sentiment, so letās unpack this:
we know henry also had mistresses while married to c/oa, but...
w/eir et al insist she was the perfect wife, that she never argued with him (the latter of which is not even true, we have contemporary observation otherwise, even before the GM, but accepting the premise for the sake of argument)
so... was it in response to ' tantrums' or was it just henry and a pattern already established?
bcus in the very limited way they acknowledge her upset (which is generally just limited to the elevation of his mistress' son)
the infidelity is offensive but not the central point of the anger, not enough to risk loss of influence to fight against itĀ
it is not written about as a 'tantrum' (nor should it be, iām merely pointing out the double standard), it is the noble, righteous purpose of her wanting to preserve her rights and that of her daughter
these incidents donāt receive the same treatment even though their context is similar, bcus...at least two of henry's mistresses while he was married to anneĀ were supporters of her opponent (mary, also a threat to her daughterās status)
so... was it 'tantrums' or was she also not going down without a fight because she viewed them as risking her and elizabeth's security ?
but it doesn't get the same treatment.
and the anne hastings thing with catherine does seem more personal but i digress , it is definitely not spoken of as a 'tantrum' either (nor should it be, again, iām just pointing out the different language that tends to be used, and the blame cast upon anne & not her predecessor)
what i find really gross here is the implication and double negative inherent within
henry would not have taken mistresses while married to anne if she had more submissive, calmer
dignified even
but catherine was the perfect wife and model of queenly dignity and never said a harsh word to or against him
so... interesting to imply to avoid this she should have been 'more like catherine ' (again, whatever that means) when...it also happened to catherine?
we have a disrespectful comment but no actual record (altho it was a very short space of time) of henry taking mistresses while married to jane s/eymour
but no one says shit like coa should have been more like JS
yet i have seen people argueĀ JS was emulating catherine and that's why he didn't cheat on her..... while forgetting he did cheat on catherine??
#jsut copy pasted this from my groupchat#im lazy but have thoughts#im using anachronistic language but im lazy and i don't feel like fixing it...cope :p#anyway obviously the common thread here is henry#was his infidelity symptomatic? was it only him responding to circumstances? would he not have done so if henry nyp had survived?#would he have gone cold turkey on other women had jane s/eymour survived; had anne lived and had a son?#these are all things i see speculated a lot but it was just his pattern and it was accepted for the time and he had the world at his feet#most would take advantage of those circumstances but it seems more like results of henry's personality and entitlement than specific#reaction to things that angered or offended him or even retaliation for them as is oft suggested.........#his own physician described him as 'overly fond of women'#it's not like. a big mystery to be unraveled. yk?#tl; dr even if this comparison were true and had merit#anne's 'tantrums' and scolds vs catherine eternal calm demeanour and placid kindness#doesn't seem like it made a damn lick of difference wrt henry's fidelity and eventual (altho with vastly different results)#*infidelity#eventual... disclaiming of each marriage#*it doesn't#so...what even is the point we're trying to make here lol#what do people think they are Saying when they say this#it is a quasi-profound statement/ assessment at best
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