#discourseprincesa

[transfemme-shelterdog]

I was an active participant in the ace/aro discourse on the side of aces and aros and tbh the reframing of it as “mean stinky asexys bullying trans women” is… this wasn’t history so historical revisionism isn’t right. Tumblr lore revisionism?

1. We saw multiple TERFs admit they became TERFs after becoming ace exclusionists because they found the arguments they were making for kicking asexuals and aromantics out were also arguments they could use against trans people.

2. I can think of multiple transfems who supported aces and aros. This may be a blind spot on my end, but the only transfem exclusionist I can think of was discourseprincesa who later turned out to be lying. She claimed to be an Afro-Latina Jewish intersex trans lesbian and every time someone tried to call her out from the perspective of a different marginalized group she’d suddenly reveal she had a connection there too. She was infamous for being a raging ableist who regularly suicide baited and harassed people, sometimes to the point of panic attacks and mental breakdowns, but her accidentally posting on the wrong blog where she’s honest about being a cis perisex white woman was what got every exclusionist to finally stop supporting her.

3. Wait, I almost forgot the other transfem who was an ace exclusionist. She was best known for dating the person who accused aces of stealing the color purple from bi people. Aside from those two, the majority of aphobes I saw and encountered were cis women, transmascs, trans men, and nonbinary people who either didn’t list their agab or were afab. This is not surprising when you’re on a website that is predominantly those who were afab. These demographic numbers would look a lot different if it took place on Reddit.

4. The entire ace discourse was nothing more than a site-wide bullying campaign against asexuals and aromantics, with any Ace or aro who was too open about their orientation risking getting mountains of anon hate and harassment, suicide baiting, etc., and even something as harmless as “cake and dragons” was open to receiving a slew of aphobic bullshit, to the point where aces and aros basically couldn’t have anything. We saw a lot of aces and aros go from being out and open about it to suddenly being so much quieter and hesitating if they even wanted to go to queer events at all, as they learned from years of harassment that they weren’t welcome there. Given how one post that sticks out to me is a person saying that if they saw an ace lesbian holding an ace flag at pride they’d punch her for it, I can’t say I blame them.

So, that’s all entirely from memory! I’m sure someone else can fill in additional details if they’d like.

Important history right here

[timehascomeagain]

it is rare that a video presents itself to me that i have such an active undesire to watch on every level of ontological meaning. I dont need someone who went to durham to tell me about the day that discourseprincesa got outed for racefaking

[xxravenbirbxx]

there was a user called hivliving who lied about being hiv positive for "discourse clout" and to promote their hamilton fanfic where some people were hiv+.

there was another user called discourseprincesa who lied about being a jewish intersex trans lesbian for "discourse clout"/to hate on asexual people without getting criticized.

a gif from the adam sandler movie jack and jill where a bird went into a chocolate fountain got passed around as real. people got really, really mad at each other about it. someone started an argument with the phrase "listen here cum-slut".

I really can’t believe I’ve been on this hell site for 8 years

[antiblackness-archive]

2016: discourseprincesa, a cis white woman, pretends to be a jewish afro-cuban intersex trans woman who’s the granddaughter of a Holocaust victim in order to have more discourse cred

2017: hivliving, another cis white woman, pretends to be two HIV+ qpoc, one of which was “a human trafficking survivor,” to scam people out of money, justify writing an HIV high school Hamilton AU, and to gain discourse cred

what we learned: cis white women are devils who thrive off the struggles of minorities, but since we all knew that, nothing has been learned

[electraheart2012]

sometimes i read discourse on this site and it's just letters and numbers and numbers and letters

[redandfranticfeelings]

only 90s discoursers will remember

[vaguefree-blog]

Literally anyone who took Discourseprincesa’s word on her ‘I’m a trans woman’ story was a fucking moron. It was so obvious, and she was so bad about hiding it, and you all fell for it! How could you stan for anyone that hard? I still can’t believe how long it took for her to get found out.

And while I’m at it, the people who gloated at her downfall are as fucking manipulative and dubious as she was! I’m looking at you Courteousmingler, you prat. Editing screenshots for your own asspatting and then not ever owning up to it, no wonder you purged your blog before! This must be a recurring thing! 

Everyone is relying on everyone else’s word, and that’s not a nice culture to live in. Why do I have to believe people? I have more reason not to. 

[fearoftheminotaur]

Oh yeah! Worst thing I saw today: “It’s not okay to celebrate DiP deleting because she hurt people and lied about herself, but cistrendered never attacked anyone or lied about their identity so it’s okay to celebrate them being gone”.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCenteredMorality

[discourseprincesalies]

Discourseprincesa’s main is figlias

Proof: a post she accidentally reblogged to the wrong blog (aphobebambina is her old username) (a followup post for more proof)

And look, she said she uses tampons on December 10th:

She’s a liar. She does not have the various intersex conditions she claims to have. Someone who was born with testes will not have a period.

Even if her story was true, she would not be able to claim the title of a trans woman, but her story is not true. She was assigned female at birth.

And she tells a different ethnic story on that blog than she does on discourseprincesa:

[allyitis]

anyway i’m not angry with people because they didn’t see through DiP’s lies. i’m angry with them for supporting her when she had already publicly shown herself to be a toxic, vile person whose actions were inexcusable long before she turned out to be lying. the lies put it into even sharper relief, but even if she’d been telling the truth, she would have still been an ableist harasser who y’all should have no-platformed months ago.

also, fuck off if you think the people she bullied can’t be happy that she’s gone. she treated people worse than garbage and her victims have every right to celebrate her deletion.

[furryanarchist-blog]

super! fun! idea! discourseprincesa was an awful person with a huge following base! and ill b straight up with u! im too much of a coward to go against someone like that! and if u brought valid criticism to her shed call u racist or lump u in with truscum she argued against! im grateful ppl called her out but! if the only way u did that was question a supposedly intersex trans persons genitals! im! not! gonna! support! that! im glad she got exposed! im not glad that now other ppl are questioning other exclusionists agab because of it! please stop! its terrible! she was terrible! the methods of exposing her was terrible! dont!!

[stimcourse-archive-blog]

all y’all in the discourseprincesa tag saying stuff like “oh i always knew!!!” or “there was something off about her from the start!” can y’all just... shut up? not everyone knew and she manipulated a lot of people. many of us believed her up until today. and this goes especially towards the trans / intersex and other poc who believed her lies and defended her like going around and claiming you always knew doesn’t help and it doesn’t make it hurt any less that someone on our side of the discourse who a lot of people trusted and went to advice for turned out to be a liar

[aphobe-nonsense]

"stop saying that you knew DiP was a bad person all along, she manipulated and lied to all of us" yeah except for the bit where she wasn't at all shy about what a gross person she was. you saw her being awful and did NOTHING. when she harassed people to the point of deleting you did nothing. when people spoke out about being scared of her and were harassed into silence by her cronies, you did nothing. when actual trans women began to speak out against her lies, you continued to defend her and support her until the bitter end. don't come to me all upset cause she lied to you when you ignored her harassing us for months.

[redandfranticfeelings]

we should also make it clear that while discourseprincesa was lying after all, it is creepy to make entire blogs about finding out somebody’s birth gender. you can pull up posts of theirs that contradict them and confront them about it, but discourseprincesalies was still invasive as a concept and nobody should try to follow their example if they get suspicious of other discoursers.

[mukhannath]

exclusionists only draw the line at bigots who make their movement look bad, dip was a damn horrible person a month ago and no one gave a shit. now they want to shame and blame aces for holding them accountable well too damn bad aphobes this is like the 4th time it's happened and you've learned nothing, not even how to feel damn ashamed of yourselves (not for being lied to, but for giving such a deplorable person such a big platform to begin with)

yr right

[vulcanvaporwave]

“um don’t get mad at ppl who believed/defended discourseprincesa uwu she acted like she knew what she was talking about”

asking that people use critical thinking skills is not an unreasonable burden, sorry