#did we not go through this argumemt when the me too stuff was big

[omgsomeonesomewhereonearth]

I don't know how to articulate this without seeming quite mean, but I feel like a lot of discourse (for want of a better term) on this site lately is veering into "not all men" territory?

Like, do we need to explain again that women know fully well that "not all men" are awful people?

Like, yeah, I get that it might be upsetting to be a man and constantly see "men are trash" posts everywhere, but you have to realise that that...comes from somewhere?

I myself have been trying to use those jokes less specifically because I'm not trying to hurt ppl, and sometimes, I agree that it does go too far, but...

Idk, I'm seeing people say shit like "imagine if men were going around talking about how much they hate women all the time", and...do you think they aren't? Do you honestly believe that we live in a society where men aren't being openly sexist constantly?

People comparing "misandry" to misogyny when one is actually like, a structural, systemic, oppression that affects people's daily lives whilst the other is at most hurtful, feels to me a little like white people who complain about "reverse racism". (And I believe that as a woc I can make that comparison)

And some of the jokes do irritate me as well, but, again, you have to realise they don't come out of nowhere?

No woman is waking up everyday thinking "I'm gonna hate men for no reason at all!". A lot of the times it is genuinely a coping mechanism for living in a society that consistently favours (cis, het) men over us.

I don't even know where I'm going with this. Like, I get that it might hurt some men's feelings, but idk, the majority of the time it feels like venting to me.

Not always, ofcourse. I know that a lot of the jokes are honestly unnecessarily malicious. And I would like to acknowledge that they can be hurtful to trans men, who do not have the same power over women, especially over cis women, as cis men do.

I don't want to minimise any of that.

I dunno, I guess I'm just conflicted? Other people feel free to chime in with your opinion on this, because I'm not trying to be like, mean or anything.

I just have a bit of a love/hate relationship with the new takes I'm seeing which generally stsrt by pointing out very true and important stuff about the problems that a lot of men face, but then always end up boiling down to "actually if you ever complain about men you're a misandrist and an awful person who's probably also secretly a terf."