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Plant[a genista] based burgers
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john accidentally creates Stourbridge fair with his playmobil
(inspired by IRL John’s charter for the leper’s chapel in 1211 but here he is just being an imaginative kid…)
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There is evidence that Thomas Jefferson may have been queer
Over the weekend I went to a history conference as one does. I was looking at the program and one of the lectures caught my eye. I was like "wait is that lecture what I think it is because if it is that would be awesome" so I went. It WAS awesome. The lecture was by an archivist who is doing a project on Jefferson's writings. Her background qualifies her to analyze 18th-century letters.
So basically she was reading books because that's what librarians do and the quotation “No body knows how much I wish to be with you” was very obviously right there. She realized that no one has done research on this before and decided to be the one to do it. The lecturer is still in progress if analyzing Jefferson’s papers and library.
To be clear, this lecture states that there is not enough evidence to definitively say Jefferson was queer, but just evidence that seems to be queer. The evidence is clearly homosocial, but anything beyond that can only be inferred.
my notes (my apologies if they are confusing at any point)
hahhahehheheh Jefferson: “No body knows how much I wish to be with you” Jefferson and Page and the Intimacy of Encryption
Same talk given to LGBTQ+ group
Coded letters to John Page
Page lives at Roseburg! Jefferson went there a lot
Scared people would find his letters so be encrypted
But he liked it like it was a game
Send real info but also bestie stuff
Impossible to determine Jefferson as queer but this is just fun
How do you define letters as queer or no?
Gender switch, Greek letters, codes
Coding citizenship, gender, sexuality
Homosocial bonds develop when yapping about exchange of women
Jefferson dirty enslaver grrrr
Sally Hemmings :(
Jefferson thought libraries, newspaper, education were essential to American nationality
Letters technology of collective fantasy
Lost history of cryptology
Jefferson father of American cryptology
Homosociality and stuff
Gay? 🤨 I mean he read ancient gay stuff
Trafficking women part of this (like using wives/daughters to connect families) :(
Connect families
Cedric mother of queer theory
Tools for examining must be subtle and definitive
Variable and political
Emerging subject categories in Jefferson’s writings
William Bendamen shows that Jefferson would be aware of queerness from what is in his library
Gay porn in 18th century WHAT
he owns gay porn caught in 4k
Lots of this is encoded, destroyed, difference in language & culture
Buggery laws
THE LETTERS to Page. 20 January 1763
Friends from youth to Page’s death in 1808
Letter from Shadwell. Jefferson is around 20.
“Why can you and I not be married, too?”
The commas, references, tenses, Latin is hard to attribute
Friendship or queer is unknown
Reference to laws of human nature. Early scientific musings of relationships
Elusiveness of understanding may be intentional.
Life together supported by letter 6 months later
Rebecca Burwell. Belinda
Plans to propose to her and writes to Page from Williamsburg “Devilsburg”
Refers to Belinda as “he”
Rejected by her
If it worked he and Page related by marriage between Burwells
Written like business transaction. (trafficking of women between men)
Many homosocial letters talk about trafficking of women
Jefferson thought his letter was interception and is super paranoid
Ask Page if he found this
Jefferson freaking out and asks him to being better code. I’m going to send you this.
Develops wheel cipher
3 months later Jefferson finds out Rebecca married to something else
Page marries. Jefferson moves to Monticello, marries Martha
Last letter
I can die with sweet resignation after reading your letter
Letters from Page lost in Shadwell fire
Page and Jefferson letters are ones between young men and are representative of such
Jefferson uncomfortable with women. Kinda misogyny but he’s so confusing so it’s hard to classify
Categorizing Jefferson but it’s all connected
This is technique to secure bonds among wealthy planter elite. College friends! This is before Revolution and stuff
There is so much to cover
Jefferson weird and paper expensive. He knows papers are to be shared and he decided NUH UH.
Jefferson morals vs action
Notes on Virginia. RACIST
Black writers at bottom in notes and in library
Boooo he’s a loser
Kicks off institutionalization in America
Jefferson isn’t the only one to code
Anne Lister codes. Puts lesbian letters in crypt.
This info puts my post from a year ago about Martha Jefferson’s epitaph into context, actually! The Greek reference and gender swapping is just Thomas’s thing with people closest to him. I wonder how many others got this treatment...Jefferson and gender is really something else, like bro can't interact with women yet swaps their gender in writing. What's going on in his silly autistic (probably) brain? Referencing mythology is also pretty cool like what a nerd using ancient Greek analogies.
I always found his coding interesting but just haven’t researched it. This new research is special to me because @asica-black and I used to discuss Jefferson’s coding and think “hey do you think these were coded and he worried that people would accuse him of buggery?” and answer is most likely yes!
So yeah it seems like Jefferson had a boyfriend.
#btw buggery is 18-century for gay#bro has been added to my list of “most likely queer presidents” along with Buchanan Lincoln and JFK but there are most likely more#asica-black#hehe I called him after the conference to tell him the news#this is 'cold in my professions' (jefferson's version)#amrev#thomas jefferson#queer history#this is real research#historical scholarship#founding fathers#my notes
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Some updates and fun stuff (free post)
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}IS BEING RANDOM EVEN REAL?{
@arachn0philia asked: 📁📁
Lucifer and Lilith have tons of children that aren't Charlie, but because of them all not being made of divine blood like Charlie was, they aren't anything special.
For Lilith, her copious amount of children are just the succubi and incubi of Hell. Whereas, with Lucifer, it's just a variety of middling royals, a handful of creatures humanity knows as urban legends/cryptids, and a lot of average Hellborn creatures no one cared enough about to take responsibility for so he just put them up in Devilsburg.
Vox died while watching the moon landing. He's pissed off about it because he knows he didn't get to live long enough to see corporations colonize space and monetize every aspect of it.
#𝒪𝒰𝒯 𝒪𝐹 𝒮𝐼𝒩𝒮 [ General | OOC]#𝒜𝒩𝒪𝒯𝐻𝐸𝑅 𝒮𝒜𝒯𝐼𝒮𝐹𝐼𝐸𝒟 ����𝒰𝒮𝒯𝒪𝑀𝐸𝑅! [ General | Ask Answered ]#𝒯𝐻𝐸 𝒟𝐸𝒱𝐼𝐿'𝒮 𝒟𝐸𝒯𝒜𝐼𝐿𝒮 [ Lucifer | Headcanon ]#𝒜𝐿𝒜𝒮𝒯𝒪𝑅 𝒞𝒪𝒰𝐿𝒟 𝒩𝐸𝒱𝐸𝑅 [ Vox | Headcanon ]#arachn0philia
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19 year-old Thomas Jefferson when he writes “Devilsburg” instead of Williamsburg:
#it’s not a phase mom#Thomas Jefferson is an emo#🙄#thomas jefferson#history#historymemes#american revolution#amrev#young Thomas Jefferson#hamilton: an american musical#sorry for this very poorly edited photo#just something to get my mind of the election#memes#💔
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Heyy!! I just wanted to say that I love your blog and you also seem very sweet!!!!
🥺🥺 THANK YOU!!!! YOU'RE TOO SWEET!!! And lemme just say,, I LOVE your blog. The emo Jefferson Devilsburg post lives in my mind rent free msjsnsnsnsns
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#Repost @matrioska24 ・・・ Just can’t have enough of #thomasjefferson #brickhousetavern #virginia #williamsburg #devilsburg https://ift.tt/2w3ge1q
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Dahil may #AngelsBurger... #DevilsBurger #footlong #burger #cheese #cheeseburger
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When the Devilsburger is a popular spot for the kids after school
#rich: yeah i dont have time to memorize all that. I need to argue with someone on the internet about the Battle of Jaffa#comics#my art#devilsburger#drawn in pen at work lmfao
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Get to know the guys
(historical bg fun reasoning)
Henry Jr - famously married young even by the standards of the day (at 5 yrs old) but by all accounts seems to have been loving and faithful
Geoffrey - described by Bertran de Born as "Count Geoffrey, who doesn't know how to please the ladies," and appears in one of Gace Brulé's poems as being bewildered at people who act crazy for love. However, he had the most successful relationship in the end so there's that
Philippe - not much here just for someone very demanding and difficult to deal with the common denominator in his failrelationships is....himself....
Richard - We have much less info to go on regarding his interpersonal relationships--had that privacy on lockdown! Which leaves a lot of room for nosy speculators of course.
#comics#my art#Henry Junior#Geoffrey#Philippe#Richard#John is too young for this conversation!!#devilsburger#angevins#Modern au
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Is Louis as protective over Alys in this AU or is Philip just his most special blessing from God boy still? Honestly I'm just curious about Alys in general here
I actually do have ideas for her in this AU!
Basically my thoughts on her is that she is kind of the "middle child" between Marguerite (Maggie) and Philip and is kind of in an awkward teen insecurity place due to her older sister being more accomplished/outgoing/attractive and "grown up" and Philip being more doted on.
Philip still gets the very "God's Special Gift" treatment by Louis, due to being the Only Boy(tm) but also because he was kind of prone to various sickness/injury as a kid so Louis and Adele worry over him a lot.
Philip as he gets older is more resentful of the overprotectiveness but his being rebellious or having a bad attitude about things is generally more tolerated by his parents. Meanwhile the girls kind of have a mix of the performative Father-Daughter Protectiveness, but Louis is very awkward about "girl issues" especially re: puberty and sexuality stuff so he just leaves that to his wife. I like the idea of still in this AU or Adele being Alys and Maggie's stepmom as well, so there's also that awkward emotional distance between them. She's close to her sister but since Maggie is busy with her social life and bf she doesn't have much time to spend with her (and Alys is self conscious about coming across too young/"baby" in comparison to the older girls)
Anyways for Alys specifically she kind of is a little envious of the fatherly doting but also bc of neglect ends up having a bit more freedom to roam around. I would think I'm this AU since they're closer/in the same house she does care for Philip and wants to have more of a relationship with him, since they do share some similarities, but he's in a stage of aggressively wanting to distance himself from "girly" things and developing his own brand of weird women resentments lol.
She has baby crush on Richard bc he the only one of the Plants boys who doesn't actively harass her bc he forgets she exists. I did have an idea of a storyline where they do have sex (did some comic and art here) but it was Cringe for everyone involved, makes all feelings fizzle out and die, no one was satisfied with it etc (except for the Geoff Junior who think they are geniuses)
Good thing there's someone willing to listen to her and make her feel better though....
Anyways in the end she is a lot like her father and brother in being prone to anxiousness and stubbornness, but definitely in vulnerable place due to the lack of attention and self esteem jdjfjfj
*As for Marie and Alix...they are grown up, married, getting their doctorates of literature in France or something djdjd and may or may not be biologically related but just imagine...
#alys capet#Henry sr#characters#devilsburger#devilsburger capets#asks#Anon asks#Long post#text#Philip doing the stereotypical thing of ugh WOMEN they r taking up the bathroom for hours#Louis very prudish for a modern French I know#But this is why he is stuck here in burgerland#All these kids are so insecure and it makes them vulnerable#Burger King AU
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Alys has a stressful night (part 1 part 2), and Henry tries to be a gentleman about it, with totally pure intentions…
[Devilsburger Comics]
(Got an ask asking more about Alys in this ‘verse, and I have lots of thoughts! But thought I’d draw out a little scene first…)
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Late Night Sundae Summer Special at the Devilsburger
(Alys has a bad night out, Henry tries to be comforting… but maybe he is misunderstanding a little…)
(Previous) (Devilsburger Comics)
#devilsburger#comics#alys capet#henryalys#age g4p#older man x younger woman#Richard x alys#in The past background and it was Cringe
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Junior refuses to go on the Family Camping Trip so Philippe fills the spot…nothing disastrous will happen
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