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“All Work and No Play”

John finally gets some attention!

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Leprosy hospital (inspired by the real one)

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There is evidence that Thomas Jefferson may have been queer

Over the weekend I went to a history conference as one does. I was looking at the program and one of the lectures caught my eye. I was like "wait is that lecture what I think it is because if it is that would be awesome" so I went. It WAS awesome. The lecture was by an archivist who is doing a project on Jefferson's writings. Her background qualifies her to analyze 18th-century letters.

So basically she was reading books because that's what librarians do and the quotation “No body knows how much I wish to be with you” was very obviously right there. She realized that no one has done research on this before and decided to be the one to do it. The lecturer is still in progress if analyzing Jefferson’s papers and library.

To be clear, this lecture states that there is not enough evidence to definitively say Jefferson was queer, but just evidence that seems to be queer. The evidence is clearly homosocial, but anything beyond that can only be inferred.

my notes (my apologies if they are confusing at any point)

hahhahehheheh Jefferson: “No body knows how much I wish to be with you” Jefferson and Page and the Intimacy of Encryption

Same talk given to LGBTQ+ group

Coded letters to John Page

Page lives at Roseburg! Jefferson went there a lot

Scared people would find his letters so be encrypted

But he liked it like it was a game

Send real info but also bestie stuff

Impossible to determine Jefferson as queer but this is just fun

How do you define letters as queer or no?

Gender switch, Greek letters, codes

Coding citizenship, gender, sexuality

Homosocial bonds develop when yapping about exchange of women

Jefferson dirty enslaver grrrr

Sally Hemmings :(

Jefferson thought libraries, newspaper, education were essential to American nationality

Letters technology of collective fantasy

Lost history of cryptology

Jefferson father of American cryptology

Homosociality and stuff

Gay? 🤨 I mean he read ancient gay stuff

Trafficking women part of this (like using wives/daughters to connect families) :(

Connect families

Cedric mother of queer theory

Tools for examining must be subtle and definitive

Variable and political

Emerging subject categories in Jefferson’s writings

William Bendamen shows that Jefferson would be aware of queerness from what is in his library

Gay porn in 18th century WHAT

he owns gay porn caught in 4k

Lots of this is encoded, destroyed, difference in language & culture

Buggery laws

THE LETTERS to Page. 20 January 1763

Friends from youth to Page’s death in 1808

Letter from Shadwell. Jefferson is around 20.

“Why can you and I not be married, too?”

The commas, references, tenses, Latin is hard to attribute

Friendship or queer is unknown

Reference to laws of human nature. Early scientific musings of relationships

Elusiveness of understanding may be intentional.

Life together supported by letter 6 months later

Rebecca Burwell. Belinda

Plans to propose to her and writes to Page from Williamsburg “Devilsburg”

Refers to Belinda as “he”

Rejected by her

If it worked he and Page related by marriage between Burwells

Written like business transaction. (trafficking of women between men)

Many homosocial letters talk about trafficking of women

Jefferson thought his letter was interception and is super paranoid

Ask Page if he found this

Jefferson freaking out and asks him to being better code. I’m going to send you this.

Develops wheel cipher

3 months later Jefferson finds out Rebecca married to something else

Page marries. Jefferson moves to Monticello, marries Martha

Last letter

I can die with sweet resignation after reading your letter

Letters from Page lost in Shadwell fire

Page and Jefferson letters are ones between young men and are representative of such

Jefferson uncomfortable with women. Kinda misogyny but he’s so confusing so it’s hard to classify

Categorizing Jefferson but it’s all connected

This is technique to secure bonds among wealthy planter elite. College friends! This is before Revolution and stuff

There is so much to cover

Jefferson weird and paper expensive. He knows papers are to be shared and he decided NUH UH.

Jefferson morals vs action

Notes on Virginia. RACIST

Black writers at bottom in notes and in library

Boooo he’s a loser

Kicks off institutionalization in America

Jefferson isn’t the only one to code

Anne Lister codes. Puts lesbian letters in crypt.

This info puts my post from a year ago about Martha Jefferson’s epitaph into context, actually! The Greek reference and gender swapping is just Thomas’s thing with people closest to him. I wonder how many others got this treatment...Jefferson and gender is really something else, like bro can't interact with women yet swaps their gender in writing. What's going on in his silly autistic (probably) brain? Referencing mythology is also pretty cool like what a nerd using ancient Greek analogies.

I always found his coding interesting but just haven’t researched it. This new research is special to me because @asica-black and I used to discuss Jefferson’s coding and think “hey do you think these were coded and he worried that people would accuse him of buggery?” and answer is most likely yes!

So yeah it seems like Jefferson had a boyfriend.

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re last post my thoughts about the devilsburgers…the funny thing is, even at my most Edgy i feel i am kind of soft and that takes some bite out of the stuff i end up doing but. I do love the idea of a more cute/mundane setting but ppl in it are acting up real bad hafnjdfjd

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Some updates and fun stuff (free post)

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}IS BEING RANDOM EVEN REAL?{

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Lucifer and Lilith have tons of children that aren't Charlie, but because of them all not being made of divine blood like Charlie was, they aren't anything special.

For Lilith, her copious amount of children are just the succubi and incubi of Hell. Whereas, with Lucifer, it's just a variety of middling royals, a handful of creatures humanity knows as urban legends/cryptids, and a lot of average Hellborn creatures no one cared enough about to take responsibility for so he just put them up in Devilsburg.

Vox died while watching the moon landing. He's pissed off about it because he knows he didn't get to live long enough to see corporations colonize space and monetize every aspect of it.

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19 year-old Thomas Jefferson when he writes “Devilsburg” instead of Williamsburg:

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Devilsburg

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john accidentally creates Stourbridge fair with his playmobil

(inspired by IRL John’s charter for the leper’s chapel in 1211 but here he is just being an imaginative kid…)

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Henry’s totally normal totally heterosexual fatherly life advice

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It really depends!  Medieval sexuality was considered under different fundamental and social assumptions than in modern times. So even though what we would now call queer sexualities certainly existed, people of that era would not have sorted themselves into "gay" or "straight" etc in the same way as people do today. This is further complicated by the fact that there were gender standards and ideals, that sometimes correspond to modern  masculine and feminine ideals but sometimes do not.  Because of this, the "starting point" of what historical figures' specific personal sexualities are remain unknown, as all we have to guide us are external reports of their actions and how they were perceived at the time. Gabrielle Storey's article does a really good summary of this in relation to historical masculinities.

However the good thing about this is that it gives ME a lot of fun creative room to operate, which is what I do (long post so readmore)

Because of sort of more traditional portrayal rather than historical accuracy, in my headcanons I tend to stick with what works with the kinds of stories I'm going for in a way that maybe isn't historically supported BUT also isn't necessarily contradictory (I.e., no one said they DIDNT do xyz...) . I usually go with Richard as gay (very aware of it, flips between not caring and doing purges/penances for it) and Philip as bisexual (doing his best to be the most Unaware of it, leaning really hard on that "Christian brotherhood" excuse). I also like to portray Henry II as bi (no real historical "proof" of this, but every single media I've seen him portrays him as serial womanizer with token yaoi situationships), John is very straight to me but like historically in modern visual media he gets extremely gay-villain-coded in dress and mannerisms which i think is interesting to play around with.  (I've talked about how I like exploring "straightness" in yaoi stuff a lot before, so no surprise to those who know me)

However these are just shorthands bc I find character's internal specific orientations much less interesting than say, their specific relationships to sexuality based on their values. To focus on RichPhil (blorbos bias etc) bc to me Richard's identity was centered around the ability to do knighthood well I can see him being periodically unbothered by various "deviant" habits and behaviors as long as it's private and he "makes up" for it lol, vs Philip whose entire core of identity and masculinity rests on being sacral so would require some more creative delusions (i.e. having trouble coming in a woman? Must be WITCHCRAFT!!!) This is also a big oversimplification of my thoughts/hcs about them (I have a lot on Philip and his relationships with his wives over the years) but u get the gist. 

When it comes to the AUs I like trying to keep main things the same but I like being able to translate their complexes into like, modern complexes. Devilsburger is kind of a big cartoon simplification of a lot of things, so characters are in more modern tropes in that kind of young people "coming of age" type of story. So in DB Rich easily falls into that YA yaoi story trope of gay and aware but repressed/private about it bc of father issues so tries to self-define through excelling in other interests/actions, I also see him dabbling in those goofy nofap/volcel types of trends for the kind of porn purging behaviors. DB Philip also to me is more guy who likes girls but struggles to connect with them (bc of sexism but also a level of shelteredness/inexperience), also has guy crushes but doesn't recognize it as such for a while (Christian brotherhood strikes again) so just gets into some weird friend dynamics. Also Henry translates well into a modern type of homophobic divorced bi dad with wild conclusions about gender type lol.

In modern day it's interesting bc we know more about queerness and it's obviously a freer time than in the past but also people still have prejudices and brainworms and concern about safety and how they "look" to people on the outside, and those restrictions are interesting to me. (Henry Jr and John are still straight to me but they also got stuff going on ...I'm bi Geoffrey truther just bc I like giving him issues and also shipping him around. But I like to think he figures himself out in a more timely/healthy way than the others)  In general though, just like with the historical settings, I find characters’ exact identity category labels less interesting than their behaviors and thoughts about themselves in the world.

Yuriburgers is like, an entirely different level from the original AU since thinking about "what if they were girls? What if they were trans?" Kind of adds new types of explorations. Bc of that the sexualities of course have to adapt, although to me it's less trying to keep things "intact" and more trying to think organically how these characters would evolve to relate to themselves and each other in this new context. Also bc there's more freedom I can kind of make up lots of new relationship stuff, so im still kind of exploring it too.

To bring it back to my Pairing tho I think Valerie would still like men but also still have a kind of holy maiden distance feeling about it (I have thoughts about her dynamic with a modern Mercadier character but hmm ..), also it would be funny bc re her feelings for Marie-Denise she would then I guess loop back around to doing the tsundere Yuri denial "well I don't even LIKE girls" song and dance but then still getting involved in various lesbian misadventures (I want to draw her and Henrike doing their weird accidental bdsm and then feeling hmmm about it). Marie Denise I see being more into women but maybe still flirts with guys now and then, despite  not respecting them very much lol (the sacral is still strong, God's Special Girl...)

I think it's neat to play around with bc like, now in the modern day a lot of queer ppl like to kind of think back to historical people and relate to them even though we are completely different types of people from across time and place. And I think even with the difference and distance of gender and geography there are elements of flaws and virtues we can identify with and see in life even if in a time much more alien to ours.

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Anyways someone wrote a very lovely Modern AU Plantagenets fic, inspired by various things including the Devilsburgerverse!

Rich/Phil dubious behaviors (from Philip POV) but with other relationships going on--i really like the attention given to Junior and also the Philgeoff relationship as well. If u enjoy my little comics and work, and enjoy teens angsting, I def recommend checking out!

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Is Louis as protective over Alys in this AU or is Philip just his most special blessing from God boy still? Honestly I'm just curious about Alys in general here

I actually do have ideas for her in this AU!

Basically my thoughts on her is that she is kind of the "middle child" between Marguerite (Maggie) and Philip and is kind of in an awkward teen insecurity place due to her older sister being more accomplished/outgoing/attractive and "grown up" and Philip being more doted on.

Philip still gets the very "God's Special Gift" treatment by Louis, due to being the Only Boy(tm) but also because he was kind of prone to various sickness/injury as a kid so Louis and Adele worry over him a lot. 

Philip as he gets older is more resentful of the overprotectiveness but his being rebellious or having a bad attitude about things is generally more tolerated by his parents. Meanwhile the girls kind of have a mix of the performative Father-Daughter Protectiveness, but Louis is very awkward about "girl issues" especially re: puberty and sexuality stuff so he just leaves that to his wife.  I like the idea of still in this AU or Adele being Alys and Maggie's stepmom as well, so there's also that awkward  emotional distance between them. She's close to her sister but since Maggie is busy with her social life and bf she doesn't have much time to spend with her (and Alys is self conscious about coming across too young/"baby" in comparison to the older girls)

Anyways for Alys specifically she kind of is a little envious of the fatherly doting but also bc of neglect ends up having a bit more freedom to roam around. I would think I'm this AU since they're closer/in the same house she does care for Philip and wants to have more of a relationship with him, since they do share some similarities, but he's in a stage of aggressively wanting to distance himself from "girly" things and developing his own brand of weird women resentments lol.

She has baby crush on Richard bc he the only one of the Plants boys who doesn't actively harass her bc he forgets she exists. I did have an idea of a storyline where they do have sex (did some comic and art here)  but it was Cringe for everyone involved, makes all feelings fizzle out and die, no one was satisfied with it etc (except for the Geoff Junior who think they are geniuses)

Good thing there's someone willing to listen to her and make her feel better though....

Anyways in the end she is a lot like her father and brother in being prone to anxiousness and stubbornness, but definitely in vulnerable place due to the lack of attention and self esteem jdjfjfj

*As for Marie and Alix...they are grown up, married, getting their doctorates of literature in France or something djdjd and may or may not be biologically related but just imagine...

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