#danielson-mcguinness feud

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[zedxspacess]

I love how Nigel was being the most biased motherfucker in that video package by deliberately stitching together moments of him beating up Bryan and talking about him destroying Bryan so badly it haunts him to this day.

In reality, Bryan has 8 wins to Nigel's 3 and 2 draws across different promotions, and Nigel has never won with a clean pin. It was either countout or some kind of shenanigans were involved. Projection.

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Inside Wrestling: Volume 26, 2009

wrestling timeline 

Samoa Joe

Inside Wrestling journeys back in time to examine the career of a superstar who has left a major imprint on the sport

MARCH 17, 1979: The future “Samoa Submission Machine,” Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, is born in Orange County, California.

DECEMBER 18, 1999: After only a few months of formal training, 20-year-old Joe competes in his first professional match for UIWA. 

MARCH 3, 2001: Under a developmental deal with WWF, Joe loses to Essa Rios on the company’s Jakked program.

MARCH 14, 2001: Joe wins first singles championship–the UPW heavyweight title–by defeating Christopher Daniels.

JUNE 14, 2001: Joe and Keiji Sakoda win the first-ever NWA Intercontinental tag team championship in Pro Wrestling ZERO1. 

OCTOBER 5, 2002: Joe returns to the United States and begins wrestling for Ring of Honor. He loses his first official match to Low Ki. 

JANUARY 11, 2003: In the first of what would be many epic battles, Joe defeats “American Dragon” Bryan Danielson.

MARCH 22, 2003: Joe captures the Ring of Honor heavyweight title by defeating Xavier.

NOVEMBER 29, 2003: One-time partners A.J. Styles and Joe square off with the ROH champion getting the best of the “Phenomenal One.”

FEBRUARY 14, 2004: At ROH’s second anniversary show, Joe retains the promotion’s championship by defeating Low KI. Dan Maff, and B.J. Whitmer in a “Fatal Four-Way” match.” 

APRIL 23, 2004: When he can’t defeat Joe in the ring during an ROH event, Homicide attempts to end the big Samoan’s career by hitting the champ with a fireball.

SEPTEMBER 18, 2004: In the final round of the IWA: Mid-South Ted Petty Invitational tournament, Joe and Bryan Danielson fall to A.J. Styles. 

DECEMBER 4, 2004: Joe finishes his trilogy of matches against C.M. Punk as the victor. These bouts would go down in ROH history as some of the best the promotion has ever seen. 

DECEMBER 26, 2004: The longest ROH title reign in the promotion’s history comes to an end as Austin Aries beats Joe to win the gold. 

JANUARY 15, 2005: A bitter Joe receives a chairshot to the head and a DDT for good measure from a visiting Mick Foley during a special appearance for ROH.

APRIL 1, 2005: Joe’s downward slide on the indy circuit continues when he loses a number-one contender’s match to A.J. Styles in Pro Wrestling Guerilla. 

MAY 7, 2005: In a fitting change of pace, Joe captures the ROH Pure title when he defeats Jay Lethal. 

JUNE 11, 2005: Joe is victorious in a fiercely intense and physically destructive match against Necro Butcher in IAW: Mid-South. 

JUNE 19, 2005: Only eight days after his match with Necro Butcher, Joe makes his TNA debut at Slammiversary, defeating Sonjay Dutt.

JULY 8, 2005: A very active Joe chokes out Chris Sabin for fun and defeats Shark Boy and Elix Skipper in a three-way match in his Impact debut. 

JULY 17, 2005: Moving to 2-0 at TNA pay-per-views, Joe handily defeats Chris Sabin. 

AUGUST 12, 2005: In another shot at capturing the ROH title, a surprisingly opportunistic James Gibson defeats Joe, C.M. Punk, and Christopher Daniels. 

AUGUST 27, 2005: Two weeks after failing in his attempt to win the ROH title, Joe drops the Pure championship to Nigel McGuinness.

OCTOBER 1, 2005: In a critically acclaimed match, Joe is defeated by a visiting Kenta Kobashi during an ROH event. 

NOVEMBER 13, 2005: At TNAs Genesis pay-per-view, Joe breaks the code of the X division by attacking Christopher Daniels with a chair. He appears in the months that follow with a towel stained with Daniels’ blood. 

DECEMBER 11, 2005: Joe captures his first X division championship by defeating A.J Styles at TNA’s Turning Point pay-per-view, still carrying the blood-stained towel.

FEBRUARY 12, 2006: In a three-way match with A.J.. Styles and Christopher Daniels, Joe retained the X division championship at TNA’s Against All Odds pay-per-view.

MARCH 22, 2006: In the culmination to their long-running three-way feud, Joe loses the X division title to Christopher Daniels as A.J. Styles looks on in an Ultimate X match at Destination X.

APRIL 22, 2006: Joe takes part in the interpromotional feud between ROH and Combat Zone Wrestling. Joe’s ROH squad is defeated in a six-man match. 

OCTOBER 12, 2006: A no-decision is the result of an unsanctioned ladder match for the NWA World championship between Joe and Christian Cage on Impact. 

JANUARY 14, 2007: After struggling with TNA acquisition Kurt Angle for several weeks, Joe loses to the former Olympian at Final Resolution. 

JANUARY 31, 2007: Joe announces he will no longer work for ROH full-time and embarks on a “Samoa Joe Farewell Tour.”

MARCH 4, 2007: In his final appearance for ROH, Joe defeats long-time nemesis Homicide.

MARCH 11, 2007: Another shot at the NWA World championship proves to be in vain as Joe loses to CHristian Cage at TNA’s Destination X pay-per-view. 

JULY 15, 2007: Joe gains the pinfall at TNA’s Victory Road pay-per-view and becomes TNA World tag team champion while simultaneously holding the X division title as well. 

AUGUST 12, 2007: Putting up his X division and TNA World tag team titles against the TNA World title and IWGP championship, Joe loses to Kurt Angle at TNA’s Hard Justice. 

DECEMBER 2, 2007: When Scott Hall no-shows Turning Point, Joe delivers an intense promo aimed at TNA management and his would-be-partner.

FEBRUARY 14, 2008: An unlikely partnership forms on Impact when Joe teams with Christian Cage and Kevin Nash in an ongoing effort to eliminate Kurt Angle’s Alliance from TNA. 

APRIL 13, 2008: Upon eliminating the Angle Alliance, Joe captures his first TNA World Championship by defeating Kurt Angle at Lockdown in a “Six Sides of Steel” match.

OCTOBER 12, 2008: Sting defeats Joe for the TNA World championship at Bound For Glory IV.

OCTOBER 30, 2008: Along with A.J., Styles, The Motor City Machine Guns, Jay Lethal, and Consequences Creed, Joe helps lead the team of the Frontline against the Main Event Mafia.

NOVEMBER 9, 2008: In a grudge match against former mentor Kevin Nash, Joe loses in a controversial finish that sees his opponent use the ropes for leverage.

[dilf-in-peril]

Here's some matches I recently watched and enjoyed.

Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness (ROH Unified) - I watched their whole feud and this is maybe not the best match out of the lot, and you should watch them all anyway, but this his was the moment where I started getting emotionally invested in Nigel because he suffers so bravely. And then he suffers and he suffers and he suffers some more. Oh god, how he suffers.

Mad Dog Connelly vs. Demus (ACTION DEAN~!!!) - Nasty, graceless, brutal, horny dog collar match.

CM Punk vs. Austin Aries (ROH Death Before Dishonor III) - Yeah, I watched it again. I just needed to study the kind of babyface pranks Punk is doing. The kick out at one. Beating the canvas in rythm to Miseria Cantare. The Hogan shit! Never before have smarks been this worked and gotten to.

Austin Aries & Jack Evans vs. Bryan Danielson & Samoa Joe (ROH Third Anniversary Celebration - Day 2) - Fuck Jack Evans up competition. Joe slaps the shit out of him, Bryan bends him in positions you didn't think were possible. It's all very charming. There is breakdancing too.

Jimmy Rave vs. CM Punk (ROH Manhattan Mayhem) - I really can't get enough of this. It's so sick. Punk bleeds so well and it all feels gross and weirdly sexual in a way nothing else in ROH feels at that time. Incredible finish made up by a madman, according to Rave he had to be talked into doing that to Punk. And then he's suffering himself out of the room like Jesus and cutting an insane Possession 1981 promo backstage.

Chigusa Nagayo vs. Dump Matsumoto (AJW, 8/28/1985) - The hair match, or rather the hair post match angle. It's such an absolutely insane experience of hysteria and carthasis like I've never seen before. The crowd is weeping. I wrote "what if jesus was a dyke" in my match sheet.

Greg Valentine vs. Roddy Piper (MACW) - Hard to believe they only wrestled each other this one time before the dog collar match. It's impressive how emotionally engaging this match is when they are really mostly just throwing punches. Things used to be different. For one the lighting was amazing and made them look like Gods.

[basil-the-scorned]

I only know bits and pieces about the history of Bryan Danielson and Nigel McGuinness.

But damnit, they had me alone at having this feud that have lasted as long as I've been on this earth. And Nigel's comments on Danielson on commentary alone got me so hyped for this match.

[sheinthatfandom]

Danny has been on the main card of an AEW PPV once this year. He has two ROH PPVs and an AEW buy-in battle royal. But main card for AEW PPV, one match, the four way for the International Title.

He deserves more he deserves a feud he deserves more interviews he deserves more backstage segments he deserves a title run

Imagine having a young Bryan danielson and young Nigel mcguinness on your roster with their built in competitiveness drive skill talent and chemistry and never using them that’s what’s happening with Danny and Yuta

[combatfaerie]

I miss being able to have a semi-rational wrestling conversation on twitter. Now it feels like so many people are so convinced that their opinion is FACT that there's not much point in trying. There's SO MUCH professional wrestling available right now, and that's a great thing, but we ALL have to realize that different people like different things and that's fine. Some people will only watch one company. Some people watch five. Some people watch more. Some people will only watch men's wrestling, or women's wrestling, or certain wrestlers. As long as they aren't inhibiting YOUR ability to watch what YOU want, where's the problem?

Example: People comparing Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart to Bryan Danielson vs. Nigel McGuinness. Why not just be happy that there were two history-making feuds that people are still talking about today? I personally don't care a bit about Danielson/McGuinness but if other people are enjoying it, I'm happy for them. I don't feel the need to say what I like is better or that someone is "wrong". It's opinions, ALL OF IT.

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If u haven’t watched all their prior matches against each other, here’s a series that parallels them with Mozart and Salieri from the film Amadeus. Which I realize is such a niche combo of things but I promise it’s good. It’s solid background

my god. Is it happening. Is it happening. It’s happening. I have to link everyone in the world who hasn’t seen the Mozart Salieri series the Mozart Salieri series

[piratewithvigor]

An Analysis Of Former ROH Champions in regards to likelihood of fighting Jericho

Low Ki- Probably Not (does about one match a month, usually for HOG, last match was Oct 29)

Xavier- Definitely Not (is dead)

Samoa Joe- Likely, but not on Nov 2 (already is in AEW, but booked to fight Brian Cage)

Austin Aries- Probably Not (has not wrestled since March and if AEW isn't touching Marty Scull with a ten-foot pole, they're probably not touching him)

CM Punk- This is fuckin iffy, man (on the one hand, rumors say he's on his way out of AEW. On the other hand, if he was ever going to come back, 17 days before a PPV is the time to do it)

James Gibson- Willing To Bet Not (working for the WWE and also hasn't wrestled since 2015)

Bryan Danielson- No (already did)

Homicide- Very likely (Besties with Eddie Kingston and Wheeler Yuta already, which means worsties with Jericho by default)

Takeshi Morishima- Willing To Bet Not (has been retired for like 7 years)

Nigel McGuinness- No (both retired and doing commentary for WWE)

Jerry Lynn- Probably not (officially retired in 2013, but he does work for AEW, so you never know)

Tyler Black- If he did, I'd shit myself (didn't know this was Seth Rollins until I checked. Honestly, he's probably on the way to Saudi Arabia by now)

Roderick Strong- Probably not (due to being on NXT)

Eddie Edwards- Likely not (seems to be pretty heavy into TNA, but he is buddies with Bryan, who is enemies with Jericho)

Davey Richards- Not likely at all (heavy into the indies and wanted to retire 12 years ago)

Kevin Steen- I truly can't imagine (Has been Kevin Owens in the WWE for a good while)

Jay Briscoe- No (This is a manifestation. I do not want him in AEW)

Adam Cole- Oh I hope I Hope (it's been 4 months since he last wrestled due to injury, but this would be a FANTASTIC way to return)

Michael Elgin- Not Likely (Got arrested in July. Tony would be a FOOL to bring him in)

Jay Lethal- Eventually, but not Nov 2 (Is booked to fight Darby Allin)

Kyle O'Reilly- He's Gotta Come Back Eventually (6 days away from 5 months since he's wrestled, but is still in AEW)

Christopher Daniels- Honestly Pretty Likely (wrestles semi-frequently, just not in AEW. But he definitely could)

Cody- No, but if he does, I'd freak (Isn't even wrestling in the company he works for due to a broken tit)

Dalton Castle- No (already did)

Matt Taven- Probably (has done two episodes of Rampage and if the belt match isn't main event, it's almost definitely him)

Rush- Odds are good (I mean, not great odds cause he doesn't seem super over yet, but I wouldn't be surprised)

PCO- Really doubtful (First off, glad to see he's still going strong. I knew him as a Mountie back in 93. But he's pretty stuck into Impact)

Bandido- No (already did)

Jonathan Gresham- No, but only for booking reasons (no reason he can't, but his last AEW/ROH match was him losing the belt)

Claudio Castagnoli- Iffy (on the one hand, their gangs have been feuding since May, on the other hand, he's mighty pissed to lose the belt)

Nov 2 predictions in order of likelihood: Matt Taven, Rush, Homicide, Christopher Daniels, Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly

[puroresu-musings]

NJPW BEST OF THE SUPER Jr. 24 FINAL Review (June 3rd 2017, Yoyogi National Gymnasium, Tokyo)

Yuji Nagata, Tomoyuki Oka and Shota Umino defeated Manabu Nakanishi, Katsuya Kitamura and Tetsuhiro Yagi **3/4

Togi Makabe, Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Hirai Kawato vs. Tomohiro Ishii, Toru Yano & Jado ***

Volador Jr., Jushin Thunder Liger & Tiger Mask vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru, El Desperado & Taka Michinoku **1/2

War Machine, David Finlay & ACH vs. G.O.D., Bad Luck Fale & Yujiro **3/4

Minoru Suzuki & Taichi vs. Hirooki Goto & YOSHI-HASHI ***

Tetsuya Naito, SANADA, EVIL, BUSHI & Hiromu Takahashi vs. Satoshi Kojima, Juice Robinson, Ryusuke Taguchi, Ricochet & Dragon Lee ****

Kazuchika Okada & Gedo vs. Kenny Omega & Marty Scurll ***1/2

BOSJ 24 Tournament Final: Will Ospreay vs. KUSHIDA *****

Photos.

This was a strong show featuring a solid undercard and what I believe to be the second best match of 2017 in the main event. KUSHIDA and Will Ospreay went out there and blew the doors off the Yoyogi National Gym in a super-heated war that was way better than I thought it would be (and my expectations were high), having probably the best Junior Heavyweight encounter of the modern era.

In notable happenings; Tomohiro Ishii’s exchanges with the spirited Hirai Kawato were the highlight of the pre-intermission action of the show. Ishii obviously pinned the Young Lion with a hard lariat to end a good little six man. Suzuki-gun and CHAOS kept their feud rolling en route to Dominion next week in a good tag match between Suzuki and Taichi and Goto and YOSHI-HASHI. Goto and Suzuki brawled all over the place, whilst YOSHI scored the win when he hit Karma on the lamentable Taichi. The LIJ were victorious over Taguchi Japan in an excellent 10 man tag bout which was non-stiop-action from the bell. Takahashi and Dragon Lee’s exchanges were a standout, as was Ricochet’s high flying. In the end, IC champion Naito got the win over everyones favourite bread-lover, Kojima, when he blocked a lariat and hit Destino. Hiroshi Tanahashi came out in the post match to hype their WK11 rematch at Dominion. Tana’s been out with a torn biceps, but he assured Naito he was feeling fine and promised to reclaim the Intercontinental belt for New Japan. I really hope he is fine as I’d hate to see him suffer any long term consequences of returning too soon, ala Nigel McGuinness. And Marty Scurll tapped out Gedo with the Chicken Wing to end another very good contest, which almost entirely existed to hype Okada/Omega II. A highlight in this being The Villain blocking the Rainmaker by putting up an umbrella. Genius.

Then the main event. Its fitting that this happened on the 20th anniversary of that classic El Samurai vs. Koji Kanemoto classic BOSJ final, because this was the best Junior match held in New Japan since, in my opinion. These two went out there and had a completely different match to either of their previous excellent matches. This was super heated and dramatic, featured great limb work, selling, high spots and believable near falls, which is about all you can ask for in a wrestling match nowadays. It was hard-hitting and believable, but never reckless (unlike Shibata’s preposterous headbutt in his war with Okada in April), and it told a fantastic, compelling story. It also featured great callbacks to both guys previous BOSJ finals, most notably that top rope shoulder breaker from KUSHIDA’s classic 2015 final against Kyle O’Reilly, which knocked him out, except this time it was KUSHIDA hitting the move. They exchanged many a stiff strike exchange, KUSHIDA hit his crazy Senton Atomico to the floor and Ospreay his Sasuke Special. The Ariel Assassin hit a Shooting Star Press on KUSHIDA as he was draped over the top rope, then hit an incredible reverse rana on the apron, which KUSHIDA sold beautifully. Ospreay went for the Oscutter, but KUSHIDA caught him in the flying jujigatame. Ospreay powered out, hitting a buckle bomb. Ospreay hit the RKO at one point, then went for the Oscutter, but KUSHIDA side-stepped it and hit a handspring version of his own for a great near fall. KUSHIDA locked in the Hoverboard Lock, only for Ospreay to power out again and then the two had a crazy strike battle, exchanging elbows and Kawada kicks, before both were left laying after KUSHIDA’s gu-punch. KUSHIDA was visibly frustrated, and proceeded to stomp Ospreay’s face in, old school Bryan Danielson style, then went for Back To The Future, but Ospreay turned into a Stunner. Will hit the Imploding 450 for another believable near fall, then proceeded to destroy KUSHIDA with about nine Cheeky Nando’s kicks. He took him up top for a third floor Ace Crusher attempt, but KUSHIDA fought out and hit a top rope Back To The Future, before rolling through and hitting another, match-winning Back To The Future to win the 24th annual BOSJ, and end a classic match. This entire BOSJ has been about KUSHIDA’s redemption from his two decisive beatings at the hands of Takahashi. Now he's scratched and clawed his way to another shot at the champ. It is highly likely that he’ll dethrone the Time Bomb, and a month ago I’d have said that was a bad idea. However, given his performance here, I wouldn't be adverse to seeing it anymore as KUSHIDA is still clearly “the man”. The two embraced afterwards, then KUSHIDA celebrated his win with all the babyface participants of this years BOSJ. He vowed to win the Junior belt from Takahashi at Dominion, then went through the crowd and celebrated with everyone as the show ended. Everyone should see this match.

NDT

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[zedxspacess]

One thing I've noticed that only a few have pointed out is how involved Nigel McGuinness has become with Christian Cage and Adam Copeland's stories, but particularly, Cope's lately. Like, sure, it started out as a funny running gag of Nigel being Christian's number 1 simp and burying anyone who's against Christian, but it's become more than that, I feel. The way it's evolved is interesting to me.

When Cope also acknowledged Nigel's antics really stepped it up a notch. Nigel started to bury Cope in matches where Christian isn't even involved in. Somewhere along the line it moved on from Christian+Nigel against Cope, to just Nigel and Cope by themselves having beef. All while House of Black have been tempting Cope to embrace his darker side, there's also Nigel's voice in the comms needling and questioning Cope's intentions, almost like a devil on his shoulder, adding more to the pressure.

Then, Nigel was the first one to properly explain why Malakai Black stole Cope's wedding ring when their in-ring segment didn't explain Malakai's motives too well. As if in kayfabe, Nigel understood Copeland on a level others didn't. And during the cage match, Nigel was just on fire explaining the story and emotions going through Cope. I died laughing when Nigel proclaimed Cope is "one of us now", the crowning moment of the heel commentator who's been teasing Copeland in the comms for weeks, finally welcoming Cope to the heels' side. Though it still didn't stop him from ribbing Cope because he's still got an axe to grind.

I don't know if Nigel's been involved with the writing or Cope is sharing notes for him to say on comms, but I like this concept of commentators being involved in a wrestler's story. We've had some of that in the past like Taz and Hook, and now Nigel with Christian+Cope (and hopefully Bryan). Because while the full time commentary team are a part of the show, they still feel removed from the in-ring storytelling or angles; they're just observers to the show and aren't supposed to be in storylines or affect them. But what I liked about Cope and Nigel here, and what really made it stand out to me, is that Nigel still felt involved in the story without having to move a single inch from the announce desk. No prerecorded segment, no in ring segment, no stepping into the ring, which were all things Taz and Jim Ross did when they were commentators put in storylines. It's all just subtle, natural character work and dialogue through the commentary and ringside banter. It's a little detail that you could ignore and be entertained by the angle just fine, but to me, their little side feud was a sprinkle on top. It's similar to Nigel's approach with Bryan Danielson, all the development is happening outside the ring or segments, its just commentary or the odd interview. Just goes to show how unique wrestling could be as a medium of storytelling.

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