#cute siblings S support platonic and the internet is trying to screw this

[yanderefairyangel]

I see, but imo 3H isn’t a game i would compare Engage with cause 3H is kind of a unique game : it’s FE x Personna, but it fails the Personna phase cause the VN phases are just horrible, and as much as Hopsies get critized, it doesn’t change the fact that Shez was a better self insert because they already were shown to have a personaily, whereas with Byleth they wanted both that the player could create Byleth’s personailty depending on which answer they choosed + them to have an actual background which clearly did not worked at all. With Shez, you could choose 2 very different cue, yet the voice acting + pacing made it clear that they had a personailty whereas Byleth could choose two drastically different cue, making your Byleth a sort of chimera of a character, a monster of inconsitent choices...anyway, not to disgress but seeing how Homies have 4 story compared to Engage who only has 1, comparing them feels wrong, cause it’s like comparing the Sonic several POV story game to the few games that have a unique POV story, not to mentions that the tone isn’t the same. Engage is lighthearted and don’t dive too much into darkness and seriousness whereas Homies tries to go hard into dark, seriousness, politics and yadi, yada

Had I to compare Engage to others games, I would have choosen the first FE Warrior cause it was too 1) a new kind of concept game 2) crossover/multiverse and compared to it (because I was expecting Engage to be like it), i must say Engage was a pleasant surprise. I 100% understand why ppl can’t like it, it’s very generic and we all agree that the story was weak but it’s goofyness and chessiness came right away to heal my depression and overall, seeing how it’s targeting a younger audience and appealing to more player, yes, the fact that it’s that simple of a story is most welcoming compared to Homies cause it was such a complex story as it strived to be ...that it lowered its quality in the sense that you have trouble understanding what happened and that’s coming from someone who enjoyed Evilious Chrnonicles and even that is incredibly complex but because it’s linear, it’s easy to actually understand what happened if you don’t lose the track of what happened whereas for 3H.. well, since it’s different routes, there are things that canonically DID NOT HAPPEN so it’s multiverse all again making it even more confusing because this means everything happened and at the same time not, and Fates, despite it’s flaws, was waaaay easier to understand and Engage’s story is actually easier to grow on you than 3H cause when you replay it, a simple story is more agreeable then the routes, especially when the monastery phase and VN phase are sooo BORING!! And once you completed all routes, why would you replay again ? especially when the gameplay is nothing exciting and that the calender system doesn’t allow you any replayable DLC pack ? Engage has weak replay value too, but it still has some enough with it’s gameplay being perfect when you’re bored and want a fun little challenge now if they had put a DLC pack like Awakenin’s cause Awakenin’s DLC pack was peak DLC, everyone would to it but the Fell Xenologue is all there is to it and it’s essentially hell so why would you go through this suffering again, you would really want to replay THIS ?

This map still comes at night haunt my nightmares, God. But again, people might prefer 3H's story and other Engage due to nothing but preferences, though overall Engage simple writing doesn't create the same level of plot inconsitency as any of the previous games, like all the twist don't ruin at least from the main story, but somehow people prefer the Xenologue's story which is really bad ima be honest, like it starts good and they showed that with a smaller cast they can actually put all characters into the story to flesh them out but it completely crumbles down like a card castle. Engage may seems weaker then 3H, but it's at least more solid then the 3ds game; i did remember a poll showing Engage beat the 2 games, and that's what dev were striving for since they said they wanted Engage to be a Awakening 2, not a 3H2 unlike what 3H babies hoped, and while I can't blame them especially if 3H was their first game knowing that Fates was the actual Awakening 2, 3H is, I repeat, a unique game, first time ever FE went that way, so really there was no chance they would repeat that formula.

It's not really like the Fates wank though cause it was more "ma route is da besto!" even though both can came off as boring in terms of plot and both as their flaw in terms of playthough cause Conquest still has the main problem of not allowing any bonus fight asides from the one offered by the DLC, which makes it harder to unlock the children units and in Lunatics, harder to have stockage unit compared to Birthright when you can actually unlock all ressources. As for the plot well... Conquest was good on paper but it had the curse to cross path with Revelation's plot since it introduces Anankos and Valla making the whole thing seems shallow, not counting what the Trio did put what reaaaaally ruined the plot was ... localized Xander. WHY TREEHOUSE WHY ??? <Why did they made him such a rebel when the jpn version wanted him to be a kind of delusional guy ??? This makes everthing, like Corrin not telling him about Fake Garon becomes nonsense since by the way Treehouse changed Xander he should have believed Kamui !! Nay, a wank more similar would be how back then fans were fighting over 3H's golden route, or true route (because they never played VN i assume) and it had only the merit of each supporter of their own beloved route to actually points out all holes and plot inconsistency in each route and while some are bad faith, or makes one reconsider "3H is an amazing story" but all routes have somewhat disapointing ending, CF and SF in particular, poor Eddie, all her route's ending are so bad....

Plus I keep seeing ppl reblogging and sharing localization change for Homies so I don't want to fall into the Fates trap of thinking Treehouses may be "innocent" in some plot holes or inconsistencies cause;.. The Awakening localization team did fixed holes, like that Chrom!Morgan hates bugs, not making sense with regular Morgan liking bugs, and turned it into a coarch to link with his support with Noire, or trying to fix, (without success) the Robin!Owain hole, but Treehouse sometimes makes me think they don't pay attention to the whole context and seeing what they did to Alear' S support... yeah they really never paid attention to context did they ? not that it's the only problem, they did censore Goldmary saying she ate too much or Timerra talking about her skirt, so would only half surprise me if some holes in 3H weren't due to Treehouse messing up again but even there would'nt change how Engage's story is more agreeable to make post about.

Like if I had motivation, I would have picked on the loca changes for 3H but do i really want to go through all the 4th route to check on that ? Whereas Engage ? I can just replay it once in jpn dub and call it a day

"as for the incest stuff, been over that fair enough amount of times that i dont have much else to say without repeating myself." which doesn't surprise me, that thing blew up a mont ago like a volcano and in less then a week, all arguments in favor or against the ship have been said, only difference is that the people against it only have 2 arguments consisting on focusing on Xenobron and Not!The Fell twins (that's how i call their Elyos double) to absolutely tries to prouve that Alear and the Fell twins are half-siblings in a round a about way, which...

it kinda sucks cause it's always family bound or character that cares about family that ends up being dragged into this... like when they poke jokes at Prisicilla but I never saw anything "perverted" in her love for Raven at the risk of comming off as dense, just a sister happy that she is reunited with her brother, same for the Renais twins, what's so romantic about patting your sister's head ? And the wank for Rhea sucked too, cause Rhea was shown to deeply care about her family (even though they aren't related) and she isn't the kind of person who would break that taboo, she doesn't even view Byleth as family herself (but at the same time she never saw Byleth as Byleth, but more as the envelopp containing her dead mother's spirit) and now it's exploding in a game who'se main theme is family and about Alear, a character that values a lot family bound. And they have to deal with 2 shits : people trying to prove their relationship with the twins despite the game itself not caring and that no matter what and on the other hand, people trying to ruin the Veyle' S support by trying to prouve that it was romantic so either they hate on Treehouse or praise them... for literaly just removing a word?? IDK who on earth read the JPN version of Veyle's Support and though there was romance in it cause they really need glasses, and it suck even more cause this support was very good and was taking place between 2 character who tried to be siblings after having such a tragic story and that makes the Nel wank worse cause they also use her support with Veyle to aliment their argument that no human being should give the ring to her, even though this support was about 2 individuals's developpement and accepting to be friends/family and Veyle helping Nel's trust issue, so really this wank sucks even more then for others game. Now you can argue that Fates did messed up cause it looks occ of Corrin to date any of the Royals but seeing how the Fates manga tried to push F!Corrin with Leo... yes, and the difference i would say is that unlike for the Royals, neither did 3H and Engage tried to lead you into saying the characters into family cause the plot don't care unlike for Fates where, except for the Nohrian royals, you had to explain why Hoshidan aren't Corrin's half siblings, but step family only and it was not even out of nowhere because of Anankos shenanigans....but for Engage, it really sucks since it's really all about family and there it's about proving blood relationship, so actual losecest which... Engage is the worst game you could have choosen for that, realy any other but the one about family in particular, the "adopted sibling still is losecest" is more tolerable cause Fates kind of deserves it though Corrin isn't really an adopted sibling;.. i mean, if kidnapped is adoption that is...and even then, people would still be "at least they aren't related in canon" to make it more ok in fiction then if it was whatever thing they tried with Veyle...and in the difference is that people never tried to prouve that Corrin is still related to theirs sibs, whereas here the only ground they have to support thei claim is... by proving relationship btw Rhea/Byleth and Alear/Fell twins and the infamous "but Veyle was romantic in JP" that is so... grrr

And yes, I said Nel wank cause people are only diggin this into her, not Rafal, he has none of this or a few probably cause of husbando biais and cause in his support he sortas says that Alear and him aren't really related so it's fine....but yeah, really sucks that instead of just rolling with it they turn it into a "we don't like it so we are going to make it everyone's problem" like the anti studenleth and that's crazy seeing how it's about literal pixels and that mutliverse doesn't even exist but... well, one moth before the DLC I still had to explain why Veyle isn't romantic in JPN and somehow, the "morally upright" elite called me a liar for saying there is nothing romantic about your sister saying she might jump out of joy if you were to wake her up... and i still do not understand why saying that you can't romance Veyle is a problem, why does this exist ?

Gotta be frank, the more time pass the more i can't stand the "3H had an amazing story whereas Engage is a failure" refrain because 3H is not a game I would compare Engage to, just doesn't make sense as they were not made with the same mindset, but it's just another day of thinking that Fodlan's duology is really overrated for what it actually is *sight* : 3

yanderefairyangel asked: also don' wanna add fuel into the fire, but i think the other reason why I'd say it isn't losecest is because Engage's theme is family, so IS may have crappy taste sometimes, but I don't think they'be tasteless enough to have the character that value family bound in a story about family break a taboo based on the sacred side of family ( I mean in a story about Alear's family two of "their family member" have so little relevance you can complete the story without unlocking them and aa..seeing how much * interesting *things Nel and Rafal says when you use them on the battlefield during the exploration phase) so i think it's another reason why IS hides behind alt world shenanigans but imma be honest, they relationship is way to complicated to say they are your average half siblings ! After all, unlike Fates whose main theme was more about choosing and it's consequences, Engage is a story about family and whereas Fates never properly explored it, Engage is full of that (i have lost the count of character having siblings) and even then Fates still had an excuse to let you romance the Royal if requiredn but seeing how they handled Veyle'S support, even IS has some limits. Crazy I know.

bundlin em together

i think its to be expected that the refrain pops up, and to an extent i understand why its used because its one of those things that technically true but easily abusable. Which is to say well engage has some real good story aspects to it, its story is also its weaker half. Meanwhile its gameplay kicks so much ass especially compared to three houses that from what i've seen its difficult to criticize engage from that angle, so if your looking for a way to 'attack' it as some are oft to do you kinda get coralled into attacking the easier part to attack of it.

just look at fates for a case precedence, birthrights gameplay and conquests story are generally [considered] the weaker halfs of their designs [personally i feel conquest beats birthright on both counts] so those are the most oft criticized aspects of fates.

the main difference in engages case when compared to three houses aspect though... is that engage also beats out three houses on a story angle in all the categories that count. so its an inherently unfavourable comparison.

as for the incest stuff, been over that fair enough amount of times that i dont have much else to say without repeating myself.