#classism innit

[origami-butterfly]

I saw the stereotype that only British private schools teach separate sciences for gcse, and I need to disprove this

[werewolfpngs]

not even being a hater bc i love school and i love research papers and i love my profs. but consider also The Horrors

[sonic-wildfire]

hey there! i saw your post about british vs american people and as a working-class british person who is now based in the us, i wanted to add my two cents. i think something a lot of americans don't realise about brits is that our class system is so deep-rooted in our society that seemingly trivial things such as accents are in fact an integral part of it. accents in britain are not indicators of where you live or where you come from, but whether you are "rich" or "not rich". people with, say, east london or liverpudlian accents find it much harder to gain social status or high-paying jobs regardless of their education or financial situation because the assumption is always that they are poor and stupid. people who come from working-class backgrounds are mercilessly mocked and at worst actively discriminated against for their accents in traditionally middle-to-upper-class areas such as universities, and end up changing their accents to blend in, so it's really a self fulfilling cycle. slang such as "innit" or pronunciations such as "chewsday" are inherently working-class, and as such, people mocking them will be perceived as classism by most working-class brits. what you're seeing is not a country full of snobs unable to take criticism, but people who have been ridiculed for their accents their whole lives, and have the ability to strike back without major consequence. the problem here isn't either of you, it's the lack of knowledge surrounding each other's cultures, as a seemingly innocuous comment from you can be seen as a direct attack to someone else regardless of intent. this was very long and rambly but i hope it clears some things up! top of the mornin' to ya, guv'na, and maybe next time we can come together and roast the shit out of the english upper class :)

as a final note, id like to say that obviously none of this justifies the disproportionate response you describe in your post, and i hope that both of our fucked up systems improve soon and no-one innocent gets hurt in the process (<- this was very poorly articulated but i hope you understood what i was trying to say!)

I will admit, you have given me a new perspective on the matter of accents. I had figured there might be some form of class differences at play here, but I hadn’t realized just how deep those differences are rooted over in the UK.

In all honesty, taking a jab at accents was certainly not the best example to use, to put it lightly, and I apologize for that.

Thank you for taking the time to write this out; a friend of the working class is a friend of mine :)

[lovestuckyhatemarvel]

What? Am I finally rewatching season 3 of Stranger things? And is this me watching s3e1? Yes, yes it is. Why did I take so much time between seasons 2 and 3? Broken brain, innit?

1.) I understand they must have done so much work for the opening sequence of the Russian scientists turning the keys and starting up the thing that spins and does electric shit and opens a portal but I’m mostly focused on how there’s a noticeable difference between the portals and tentacles/vines between each season. Like really obvious if you’re watching them as closely together as I have been lately.

2.) I forgot the machine fucking explodes after failing to hold a gate open and they slow mo a bunch of randos dying.

3.) I also forgot how absolutely cartoonish the Russians are in this. That soldier went full Darth Vader on a random scientist for no fucking reason. God, the Duffers are boring.

4.) Oh yeah, this is the season when Hopper becomes annoying.

5.) Steve is adorable in his cute little Scoops Ahoy outfit. His shorts are longer than the kids’ shorts are. How do people think those shorts are slutty? Literally even Mike is wearing shorter shorts than Steve.

6.) I forgot there’s a power outage to the mall in episode 1. IDK how since Steve flipping the light switch a bunch and Robin calling him dingus for the first time in the show is referenced by like so many steddie writers.

7.) I forgot that dirt moving on its own is a plot point here.

8.) ‘Let there be light’. Steve Harrington is a dweeb.

9.) Will’s spidey senses are tingling

10.) I never noticed that Mike and Will have almost the same hair this season.

11.) Oh yeah, the beginnings of the duffers not actually understanding feminism because they don’t understand the intersection of sexism and classism.

12.) I forgot Dustin gets back episode 1. Maybe it’s because steddie fics space things out differently, but I thought I remembered it being like, episode 2 or something.

13.) I forgot all of Dustin’s toys lure him out thanks to El and it causes Dustin to spray Lucas in the eyes with hairspray for like a full 15 seconds.

14.) I want to force feed Billy Hargrove his own goddamn hair. Karen Wheeler, I still think you probably have really shitty politics but you deserve better than Billy.

15.) Hopper seems to have forgotten literally all his character development from season 2 just so Duffers can do the overprotective dad bit. Like what the fuck do you mean Hopper doesn’t know what a heart to heart is? I’ve seen the flashbacks to how he interacted with Sara. I saw the goddamn time he contacted El over the radio to apologize for being a shithead at the end of season 2!!!!!!!! Please stop acting like this grown ass man doesn’t understand what an apology is at this point.

16.) I love Max with all my heart

17.) Steve really is so bad at flirting. I would die for him.

18.) I really hate that suddenly Joyce has to teach Hopper, the guy who has comforted and sweet talked his way into literal government facilities, how to fucking talk to people nicely. Like DID THEY WATCH THEIR OWN SHOW? THIS MAKES NO SENSE. This characterization only works if you literally forget seasons 1 & 2.

19.) So many rats. So many really obviously fake rats. That’s not to say I’d want the exploding rats to be real, but something about the lighting on them or something is off.

20.) Will just wanted to play D&D but this season he’s Foreshadowing instead.

21.) Joyce is so goddamn sad and I would be too. RIP Bob Newby.

22.) Hopper really is a cartoon character of himself this season. Also why is he still in his work uniform this late at home?????? WHY CAN HE NO LONGER TALK TO CHILDREN AT ALL????? Suddenly he’s lying about a child’s grandma.

23.) Okay but Max is a genius and is super pretty.

24.) I think Will constantly asking for D&D and everyone blowing him off is why they think he’s the DM even though he isn’t

25.) IDK if I noticed before that the Russian code is literally translated in the subtitles

26.) I’m still shocked the fandom loves Billy as much as they do since he’s obnoxious, racist, and definitely up for being a cheater, and usually at least one of those things is a dealbreaker for people on tumblr to think he’s fuckable. Usually the ‘fucks married women’ part.

[mjjune]

Happy WBW! What part of your world would your protagonist (& others if you want) change? Aaaand go! ♥️

i'll do twtr because in avof, that's like.. the entire plot? LOL

in twtr, there is a lot of... magical racism? magical classism? it's not specifically labeled, but that is something that both MCs would like to change, it's just that one MC doesn't take it upon himself to change it whereas the second one does.

but both the woodsman and red would like to live in a world with magic being accepted, not banned. it's just that the woodsman's answer to this (and to... most problems that arise in the book...) is to run, and red's is to-- well, that's spoilers, innit 😉

[nentuaby]

Only it's just classism, innit?

I’m not going to lie to you, if my girl had opinions this bad I would start rethinking everything.

[inkskinned]

it takes a really long time to unlearn but there's no such thing as "cheating" or "half-assing" being a person. if you need to leave the cabinet doors open, leave them open. microwave your tea. sit down in the shower. buy the eggmaker. use your phone to calculate tip.

it's mostly fake posterity rules. who cares if you microwave your dinners. who cares if you use instant coffee. who cares if you stop watching the show that got boring. we all have a different set of skills and a different life and taking care of yourself is fucking hard.

at the end of your life there will be no final scoreboard. nobody is going to judge you because you brushed your teeth in the shower. there will be no final count of the number of times you had the same meal five nights in a row. there will be no fanfare or party because you won at being a person - and no one will be disappointed that you never understood the point of using paper towels to dry your hands off after washing them.

yeah, in this world, people will put up a fuss. i've noticed some of the biggest fusses are over what you'll put in/on your body. the fact that i will regularly eat deli meat straight out of the bag makes a lot of people genuinely concerned for me. but here's the thing: sometimes that's the only way i'm getting any protein. my doctor says i am doing fine. i'm sticking to my weird snacks and calling it deconstructed charcuterie.

they'll say they're horrified because you take a shortcut. that's fine. it's just that it looks like a shortcut to them because they're on a different life path. these kinds of things stand out to them as important. that's fine too. but for you? you've got other things that already make you pretty hard working. and these tiny things - well, they're just clutter on your journey.

[subatomic-duck2]

2012 internet: *classism about british accents*

2022 internet: * classism about a different british accent*

[faithdeans]

where's my post about why i hate the word chav so much

[fandomsarefriends-notfood]

Dudley Dursley is a better person than Draco Malfoy

[veludo-rae]

look gang :/

i love making fun of the english and all, and that we`ve gone from swooning over english accents to mocking them, but surely im not the only one who finds it awfully suspicious that we were swooning over the RP accent and are making fun of Cockney accents and Estuary accents. Like...? that makes me a little uncomfortable. 

the whole 

iTs ChEwSdAy InNiT

jokes give me some lowkey classist vibes and i know nobody is actively going out like 

“right then its time to make fun of the poor”

but it does NOT sit right..

[marxistschoolofthot]

its irredeemably nerdy when people are into fountain pens except when its me hope this helps <3

[uraandri]

also none of them are as rich as they make themselfs out to be and whenever they peddle that "you can be classy even on a budget" they always recommend or wear exact copies of designer items and idk about you but there is nothing less classy than trying to cosplay wealth you don't have

all of these classy style coaches or whatever the fuck always have the ugliest outfits or makeup or interiors

how are you telling women that wearing boots with skirts is a no go but you can't even blend out your bronzer? i can smell the poliester in your curtains and you didn't even iron them properly

[transfaguette]

Also! Another aspect of this whole country debate is when people make fun of "the British accent" their example is always. The not-posh one? Like it's sooo funny to mock the 'commoner' accent?? Which feels a bit classist to me

(I'm talking 'aw mate can I've a glass of wo-er innit' and all that shit)

yeahhh. and its the same with southern and "redneck" accents. It's all just classism at the end of the day. We can do a bit of poking fun but when people take it too far it's just disrespectful.

[apas-95]

i hope with the influx of british people going ‘saying innit is classism, and mushy peas is working class food’ and getting hounded by americans for it, the americans in question might ponder where exactly the brits learned it from

[valtsv]

Similarly I’m British (Eurasian mix) but I’ve lived in a lot of places (Hong Kong, Edinburgh, London, Japan) while also going to international school and then boarding school (yes yes middle class (derogatory)) and my accent is fucked up bc my accent will change depending on who I’m speaking to in an attempt to alleviate any ‘social gap’ between myself and the speaker if I like them and/or I want them to like me (so, like, over the phone I don’t sound foreign, for example) but also I think because I speak 3-ish languages, one of them being Chinese, I pick up on accents easier than most people(?) because Chinese is tonal and your accent matters a lot in your pronunciation (more so than many other languages) anyway all of this is to say my accent is fucked up but it doesn’t really show because the reason it’s fucked up is because I’ve become hyper aware of class, race, and assimilation to the point where my accent will shift subconsciously and that’s just the experience of being British and POC, innit

i'm white so i can't comment on being a poc in britain, but i do relate to being hyperaware of the class and cultural divisions in britain and changing your accent to assimilate in settings where being noticeably different is a disadvantage because of british classism and xenophobia and racism. it's tough. i'm glad you shared your personal experience, though, it's really interesting! also it's very impressive that you speak 3 languages!