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Episode 60 Transcript: Some People are Misogynistic to Cope

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello! My name is Grey.

C: And my name is Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen the show several times...

C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.

G: Both Asian! For this episode, we will be discussing Season 3, Episode 16: "No Rest for the Wicked," written by Eric Kripke, directed by Kim Manners.

C: What else did Eric write this season?

G: I think the first episode, which was truly downright atrocious.

C: Yeah, it was terrible. Okay. And now this one. Alright, Eric.

G: Why was the first episode atrocious? I just remember it being atrocious.

C: I think they were quite rude to Tamara and Isaac, and also just the concept of the seven deadly sins being real demons, but completely uninteresting in any way.

G: Yeah, and like, they die, and it doesn't affect anything whatsoever?

C: Yes. Well, Dean got torn to shreds today.

G: He sure did.

C: That was pretty funny. [both laughing]

G: You know, let's just talk about it when we get there, but I had some incredibly funny thoughts while I was watching this scene.

C: Yeah, can I just say the moment during this episode that I felt the most emotions was me zoning out of the episode and remembering that the next time we watch Supernatural we'll see Cas?

G: Oh yeah!

C: That was my deepest moment of emotion while watching this.

G: Multiple times during this episode I was like, "Oh my god! We're going to see Cas next week!" And then I remember that next week we're gonna do the–

C: We have that damnable Q&A.

G: Yeah. We have a Q&A. So we're not going to do it next week. We're going to do it the next. So for the Q&A, our deadline is going to be April 1st at–

C: Midnight Eastern Time.

G: Anyway, what did you know about this episode before going in? I mean, pretty much- my guess is that you knew how it ends, but not really the specifics of how we get there.

C: Yeah. So I knew that there was a little girl involved. I knew that it was going to end with Lilith taking over Ruby's vessel and tricking them, and causing the hellhounds to tear Dean to shreds, and then it'll end with Dean chained up and screaming in Hell or whatever and Sam crying a bunch. So yeah, that's what I knew.

G: Yeah. I mean, I didn't know the specifics of this episode. I just knew that they're gonna interface with Lilith, and that until the very end we're going to think, "Oh, they're going to save Dean." But alas! They are not.

C: They're so not gonna save Dean.

G: Yeah. So, "Road So Far," we have “Carry On My Wayward Son.”

C: Yeah.

G: Nothing really jumps out to me in the recap. But it does end with the [mocking voice] "You're going to die. And this- this is what you're going to become." [normal voice] Which I thought was so corny.

C: Yeah, the music cuts out and the screen is black for a second, and then it just flashes that scene.

G: Yeah. To be fair, even though nothing in particular jumped out at me, I was so hyped. I was like, "OMG! The season finale."

C: Were you?

G: Yes, I was! I was super excited.

C: That's good.

G: And like, “Carry On My Wayward Son" is...I went through a phase of like, "Oh, I love this song because it reminds me of Supernatural." And then, like, "I hate this song because it reminds me of Supernatural. [C laughs] And now I think I have grown back to liking it, like, it's a good song. It's a hype song. It's fun, and it reminds me of my boys.

C: That is good.

G: [laughing] I hate that. I hate that I just called Sam and Dean “my boys.”

C: I don't- Cas calls them boys in "The Man Who Would Be King." So it's okay, you're just letting your inner Cas out.

G: Yeah, I'm Cascoded for real.

C: Yeah. This episode is only 39 minutes long.

G: Yep. Yes.

C: And sort of like, seeing that, it's sort of how I felt when I saw that The Magnus Archives finale was 25 minutes long, like, "Oh, this isn't gonna be good."

G: [laughing] Well, can you elaborate on that?

C: Oh, I just like- I think a lot of people were expecting The Magnus Archives finale finale to be like, 40 minutes long to fully wrap things out and be a fully immersive cinematic podcast experience, and I just didn't like it very much, and I just feel like finales that are noticeably shorter than the regular runtime of a show, it's like, “Oh, they put this together at the last minute, didn't they?”

G: Hmm. Okay. So it's not like a fully fulfilled vision.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah, I can see that. I thought this episode was not-

C: It was fine.

G: It was fine, but it was not a finale episode in the way it felt.

C: Yeah.

G: It didn't feel like a season finale. But I suppose when this season started, the season beginner didn't feel like one as well, so like.

C: And what was the common denominator in both of these episodes? That's right.

G: [laughing] Eric!

C: Eric Kripke!

G: It's Eric Kripke, baby. Yeah.

C: Lost his touch.

G: That- you know what, he did have his touch before this. [C laughs] I was gonna say like, "Did he ever have the touch?" But he did.

C: He did, unfortunately.

G: And we all watched Season 2, Episode 1 and we all did cry and moan and throw up.

C: It's true. Have you been keeping up with the Tumblr brackets with voting for best Supernatural episode?

G: I have seen it! I... [C laughs] Well, what's winning right now? What's the situation?

C: I mean, there's just so many polls going on that I can't say who's winning, but yeah, I think "In My Time of Dying" has definitely trounced anything that it's gone up against so far.

G: I think "In My Time of Dying" is just a spectacular episode.

C: It's a really good episode.

G: Yeah, it's a really good episode, I think that was the beginning of the end for us. [both laughing] Season 2, Episode 1 of a 15 long season show. But that was like, it peaked here, and now we're watching it decline.

C: Yeah, only 300 more to go. [G laughs] Less than 300. Like 270 or something.

G: Yes, so we start the episode with Dean in a forest, running-

C: With the worst shakycam.

G: Yes.

C: Atrocious.

G: Yeah, I mean, it's just like he's being chased by the hellhounds, and then, blood spatter, and then he wakes up, and you know, he's having nightmares. and he's very scared. And did you notice in any way, shape, or form that there is a difference in the camera this episode?

C: Yes! The camera angle looked really bad on Dean's face in this scene, it looked like shit. I don't know what the angle was.

G: It looked like shit, both as an angle, but also the graininess? “Like shit,” I mean, “that looks like shit,” I mean, it looks old, not that it looks bad, the graininess. And I- because I watched this in a [laughs] different website today, [C laughs] I'm not sure if that's because the quality change in the different servers or whatever, or it was like, they use a different camera this episode. Or in that scene specifically, because it looks like early season Supernatural, you know, it looks like season- this is the last season that they did with the film cam, right?

C: I think so.

G: Yes, I think so. I think in Season 4 they change to digital. So this is still the same camera that they've been using from Seasons 1 and 2. But I think maybe the color grading or something changed because this episode does look different.

C: Yeah, I did notice the coloring felt different, but I could not describe how it is different.

G: Maybe they were going for a heavier vibe, you know, for obvious reasons in this episode, so they were like, "Let's change up the color into something more akin to the earlier seasons."

C: Dean is also just notably uglier this episode, did you notice this?

G: [laughing] Give him a break! [C laughs] Give him a break! He's dying.

C: He has 30 hours left to live. Yeah, I guess you can give up on the shaving routine a little bit.

G: [laughing] Yeah.

C: Just, terrible camera angle on his face this episode, but especially in this scene. To the point where at points I was like, "Is this Dean? Yeah, okay, I guess it is. But is it? Yeah, it is."

G: [laughs] Sam walks in, and they start talking about how they're trying to find Lilith, and they just have 30 hours to go. At some point, Dean says, "Why are we still doing this? Why don't we just go out and get some drinks? Have some señoritas serve us?"

C: Jesus Christ. God, I'm fucking sick of this guy. Yeah. And again, another reminder that the next most fetishized group after Asian women in Supernatural is Latinas given the existence of Casa Erotica, and also this scene.

G: Yeah, I completely forgot about Casa Erotica. Why do they have so many canonical porn things going on in this show? Why do we need to know about what Dean's porn preferences are?

C: Yeah, and also Gabriel's I guess? Casa Erotica is Gabriel's favorite, right?

G: Yeah, yes.

C: I don't know, this is what's important to men?

G: Yeah, they just continue talking about how Sam is "not going to let Dean die, I promise you," like he says-

C: He prommies!

G: "I swear everything's gonna be okay, I prommy." And Dean just looks at him and says, "Okay." But as we see from Dean's point of view, he's starting to have hallucinations, and he's seeing Sam's face turn into that of a monster's.

C: Yeah. Which, like, they bothered to have scenes from “Crossroad Blues” in the “Road So Far” to show what hellhounds were, but they didn't bother to put the scenes from “Crossroad Blues” where people who are close to being killed by hellhounds start hallucinating that everyone around them has a monster face, which I feel like was an oversight? Bobby brings it up later so you're not left in confusion for too long. But I guess for a lot of people who forgot that part of “Crossroad Blues,” that is confusing.

G: Well, I guess- I suppose you're right, it's just I didn’t consider it, because I do remember that that's a thing.

C: Yeah, but “Crossroad Blues” was a whole season ago, right?

G: Yeah! It is, yeah. I mostly laughed at the fact that they made Jared Padalecki rotate his head like that to get this shot. [C laughing] I was like, “Oh, they're making Jared Padalecki do that, and that's why we have this scene.”

C: So we cut to Bobby's place, and he has some device hanging over a map of the US. And apparently, it's gonna be able to tell them the town that Lilith’s in, so he does some chanting, and the machine lands on New Harmony, Indiana. So Sam’s, you know, ready to go. Oh, also, I forgot, Bobby is wearing a sweatshirt in the scene, which is not his usual fare, but good for him.

G: I did not notice that! He was wearing- he puts on a vest after, which is his usual fare.

C: Yeah, but before that it was just a sweatshirt, and he had the sleeves rolled up to the elbow on both arms? Which is an odd look, but like, go Bobby, I guess.

G: He's feeling adventurous.

C: Yeah, he's looking glamorous.

G: I love that. [laughs] Is it an actual thing people- is that like an actual rhyme that people say, or did you just happen to rhyme?

C: Oh, I was just referencing the “Cult of Dionysus” lyric, what is it, “You're looking glamorous. Let's get mischievous and polyamorous.” Yeah, that's the line. [G laughs]

G: Yeah, that’s Bobbycore.

C: Bobbycore is getting mischievous and polyamorous. [laughs] So Sam is, you know, ready to go kill Lilith, and Dean tells him to hold up because he first doesn't trust that Lilith is even the one who holds his contract. He says, “We're going off of Bela's intel. Now, when that bitch breathes the air comes out crooked.” She’s dead. She died last week! [G laughs]

G: She's literally dead, bro.

C: Like, she does not- that bitch does not breathe anymore! [G laughs] She died! You caused her to die, in many ways. You were on the phone as she died going, “Tee hee, it's what you deserve.” God. Whatever. Some people are misogynistic to cope.

G: [laughing] How many episodes in a row will you bet that we can insert “some people are just misogynistic to cope” in it? [C laughs] Because this is the second one in a row. Perhaps we can have it next episode as well.

C: In “Laz Rising”? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, he’s probably really rude to Ruby.

G: He interacts with Ruby there. Yeah.

C: He doesn't even know she's Ruby, and he's still not very nice to her, I'm pretty sure. So yeah, and he also says that, you know, they don't have a weapon to kill Lilith, and also Lilith wants to kill Sam. So this is just not a good idea. He says that just because he has to die doesn't mean Sam has to as well, and Sam goes like, “Okay, well, I have a solution to all of the problems, which is, to summon Ruby and ask her for the knife, and also to confirm that Lilith holds your contract.” And Dean is very against this.

G: He says, “She's the Miss Universe of lying skanks!”

C: God.

G: At least he's getting creative! [both laughing] I mean, he could have just said she's a lying skank. But he added that little flare of “she's the Miss Universe.” So, you know, he’s having fun.

C: Dean just learned what metaphors are in fourth grade English class and he's trying to apply his knowledge to the real world.

G: He's a creative writer for real.

C: I mean, that's what The Winchesters is, isn't it?

G: [laughing] What do you mean, he’s writing fanfic about his parents?

C: Yeah.

G: R.I.P.

C: R.I.P. So yeah, he says that they shouldn't trust Ruby, because “for all we know, she works for Lilith,” which in Season 4 ends up being sort of correct, right?

G: In a way. But she's not working for Lilith there, even then.

C: Wait, what’s the scene where she’s like, “No one knew, except for like-” she says like, “Alistair didn't know,” did she say Lilith also didn't know, or did- was Lilith in the list of people who did know?

G: No, because the intention is that they need to kill Lilith, so obviously Lilith doesn't want to die.

C: Fair. That's true. Good point. Okay, so she's not working for Lilith. She's just working for Lucifer. So, Dean gets all yell-y, and he says that “we're not gonna make the same mistakes all over again, and they have to find a new way to save him,” Blah blah blah blah blah. But Sam is still pro-summoning Ruby. I think in response to the “Miss Universe of lying skanks” he says, “Okay, fine. She's a liar. She's still got that knife.” So, you know, I know he's just being practical. But I've decided that every sentence is a Samruby rights sentence.

G: No, he calls her a bitch later.

C: Yeah, no, that wasn't good. But it hasn't happened yet in this episode as we’ve summarized it.

G: That’s true. We'll discuss it when we get there.

C: Yeah. So Bobby decides to go off and find another way to save Dean, yada yada yada.

G: So Sam doesn't listen to Dean and still summons Ruby. So Ruby appears.

C: Yeah, and I did cheer and clap and scream when she appeared.

G: I'm still happy to see her.

C: Yeah, she's leaning against the doorway and being so cool, and I understand that being hashtag badass is a way to avoid giving women personalities in depth, but have you considered that she's so cool?

G: She is so cool, and like, maybe not right now. But I do feel like we get some depth out of her.

C: I agree, yeah.

G: And it's bubbling in this to the surface in this episode, and, you know, all throughout Season 2, and she does have a personality, although yes, the personality is like, “I'm cool, I'm cool.” [C laughs] But for example, I mean, we're jumping to the future of this episode. But how she tells Dean, like, ‘I want to skin you alive,” you know, all that shit. And then, later on, in the episode, she says, “I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy,” and it shows self control, like she doesn't mean all things she says, and I think she was being honest when she said she wouldn't wish it to her worst enemy, and that's supposed to give us depth of her character in some way. Yeah, I think she's a good character, and many characters in Supernatural who are men I feel like don't necessarily have that much depth, or they didn't have at the beginning. And then, you know, the fandom received them well, and that led to their depth. Or they just don't have depth, and then the fandom just gives it to them, and it's not just for Supernatural. You can see this in a lot of fandoms, and it frustrates me that a lot of female characters are not given that benefit of the doubt, you know? It's all convoluted.

G: Sam asks here, like, “How do you get around so fast?” Does he not know at this point that demons can teleport? Or the better question should be, can demons teleport? What's their deal?

C: I assume that they can. But I guess I don't- do we know either way for certain?

G: I have no idea. Maybe one day we'll get a proper confirmation. Because when Dean was a demon, he was just walking around and driving around. [C laughs]

C: That's just because he was a loser demon, though.

G: He was a loser demon. Yeah. And Sam asks, like, “Did you know about Lilith and the contract,” and Ruby says yes, and Sam is offended that she didn't tell him. And she says, “You guys weren't ready, because you would have just charged after her half-cocked, and Lilith would have peeled the meat from your pretty pretty faces.” And Sam says, “Okay, but we're ready now, and we're gonna have your knife because you're gonna give it to us.” And Ruby does her reveal here. which is that she can't do anything about killing Lilith, but Sam can, and she elaborates that all that shit about Yellow Eyes’s powers that Sam has, if he cultivates those well enough, he can kill Lilith without even lifting a muscle. That's how she words it. And she says that Lilith is doing a little bit of a rest and recreation moment right now, so they can attack right now. It's a good time. Yeah, at some point, Sam says like, “Why are you just telling me this now?” And she says, “Well, I’m a demon, manipulation is kind of in the job description. And also, you wouldn't have considered it until now, because only now are you desperate enough.” I think that's interesting, her reasoning for holding back, it’s like, if I told you that earlier you would have just did it your way, but now that we're here and you're desperate, you're more likely to do it my way, and it's conniving, you know, but I think it's so interesting, like, she is portrayed as such a smart character. and she is. and I find that super interesting.

C: Yeah, I agree. Though I feel like the only reason Sam wouldn't do it her way is because of Dean. But Dean is always gonna be in the picture, so I guess it does matter. Sam has to be desperate enough to go against what Dean thinks he should do, is sort of what's happening. Okay, I have two other thoughts about this part of the scene. First, you can see the sweat on Sam's neck when he's setting up the summoning ritual. So that's just a thing. Thank you, Sam. And secondly, when Ruby appears, she says, “A phone call would have worked as well.” And I really like the idea of, like, Sam could have texted her at any point but he's still doing this whole summoning ritual, the way that I like the idea of Sam and Dean praying to Cas when he has a phone in the future, just the idea that you could communicate normally, but there is a way for you to communicate that sort of forces your voice into their head, or forces their physical presence in a way, and that is what you're choosing to do.

G: Yeah, like, you can't mute my notifications if my notifications are in your head.

C: [laughs] No, yeah, exactly, like, I think it says something about the way that Sam and Dean view both Ruby and Cas as tools or not human, you know. It's interesting.

G: Yeah.

G: At some point, Ruby tells Sam, like, “You don't like being different. You hate the way Dean looks at you sometimes like you’re some kind of sideshow freak.” And she calls that out, but, “Suck it up, I don't care if you hate being different. We've got a lot of ground to cover.” But that first part of the line reminds me of that one post that's like, “I like Dean’s queer allegory better than Sam’s queer allegory, because Sam queer allegory is about being queer and hating yourself.” [laughs]

C: What's Dean’s queer allegory, does Dean have a queer allegory?

G: I have no idea. I mean, I suppose he has. [laughs]

C: Not to kick up a million discourse, but I don't think Dean has a queer allegory.

G: I think he’s just queer. [both laughing]

Yeah, but what they're saying is that with Sam it's like, “Oh, woe is me, I hate myself for who I am.” And I do get that, and that it's, you know. Yeah, I mean, I understand, but I remember reading that whole situation back in the day and being like, “God, that's funny.”

C: Yeah. I saw some really funny tags the other day where it was like, Sam is trying to come out to John like, “Dad, would you still like me if I was different from the other kids?” John, thinking that Sam's demon powers are coming to light, “Sammy, you have to ignore it, you have to repress all of it forever and ever. Never think about it again.” [both laughing]

G: Literally.

C: And I think that is exactly what happened, and that is what created this man that you see in front of you today.

G: Anyway, Dean shows up and goes, “So that's you, huh? Our slutty little Yoda.” [laughs]

C: [groans] God, I knew about this line years in advance, and I was still not prepared.

G: It's so funny, because I think you mentioned this line super early on, when Ruby showed up, like, “Doesn’t Dean call her slutty little Yoda?” And so when it showed up, I was like, “It's here. She’s literally their slutty little Yoda.” [both laugh] What a line!

C: Why does he even say it?

G: What does it even mean?

C: What has she done to make him think that she's slutty besides be a woman?

G: No, yes, that, but also like, what does he mean by Yoda? Like, what does Yoda do, say truth?

C: Like a mentor figure that guides you but is sort of mysterious about it?

G: Yeah, I suppose. Anyway, Dean says, like, “I knew you'd show up, because Sam wouldn't listen.”

C: I hate this half of the scene.

G: Yeah, it’s sort of annoying. I did like the fight scene, though, but we'll get to it when we get to it. But Dean is like, “You're not gonna teach Sam anything, over my dead body,” and Ruby goes, “Yeah, I bet.” [both laugh]

C: Ruby’s thinking about Season 4 and going, “I am about to be hilarious.”

G: She literally is about to be hilarious. But he demands for the knife and says, “Just give us the knife, and then never bother us ever again.” But Ruby keeps on insisting until Sam interferes, and Dean just says, “Don't you see that this is all a trick? She just wants you to become her little Antichrist Superstar,” and Ruby says, “I want Lilith’s death, that's all.” And she's being honest here, right, as we said earlier, she's being completely for real here. And she says- Dean asks why, and she says, “I told you why,” and Dean says like, “Oh, right, because you were human once?” blah blah blah blah blah, and Ruby says, “I’m so sick of proving myself to you. You want to save yourself. This is how, you dumb, spineless dick.” Dean punches her. And she punches back, baby!

C: And she has blood on her face. She has blood on her face, and she looks great.

G: She looks great. She punches the hell out of him. Sam just goes, “Ruby, no!” [C laughs] And then, you know, she punches Sam as well. I love this because the moves here are super fun, Dean is on the floor, and she kicks him in the stomach. So she flips around, and then she knocks him over with her head, and I don't know, it reminds me of video game choreography, like the fight scenes. And I thought it was super fun.

C: Yeah, I feel like a lot of these moves are very obviously choreographed, I think Dean’s original punch, I was like, “That did not connect.” But I don't care because I'm having fun.

G: I love that it looks like a little dance, when she- there was a part where she lifts his head to headbutt it, and I was like, “That's so cool. I love that.” Because you know how in a lot of fight scenes in the show sometimes it'll just go, and then they're fighting. [both laugh]

C: Yeah.

G: But like this one, this one I can describe the fight because I thought it was choreographed very interestingly.

C: Yeah, it’s fun.

G: Anyway, at some point, Dean, you know, just starts laughing and smiling and giggling, twirling his hair. [C laughs] And Ruby just goes, “What are you doing?” And he goes, “I think you're missing something,” and then he pulls out the knife, he swiped it from her during the fight, and Ruby is like, “I’m gonna kill you,” and she tries to step out but she is, in fact, in a devil’s trap. So yeah. Sam and Dean start going upstairs. Do you think Sam was in on this? I don't think so.

C: No. I don’t think so.

G: Yeah. And then, Ruby, as they're going upstairs, just goes, “Oh, you're too stupid to live, is that it?” [both laughing]

C: She’s so for real.

G: She's so for real, and he is too stupid to live, and she goes like, “Then fine. You deserve Hell! I wish I could be there, Dean. I wish I could smell the flesh sizzle off your bones. I wish I could be there to hear you scream!” [C laughing] She was doing her everything in this scene.

C: Yeah, right, which I appreciate.

G: Yeah, Dean goes, “And I wish you'd shut your piehole, but we don't always get what we want.” And at that moment I was like, “I'm glad you're dying at the end of this.”

C: No, literally!

G: I'm glad her dreams are coming true.

C: Exactly. I hope that she did get to smell the flesh sizzle off of his bones.

G: Exactly.

C: Anyway, I just hate this scene because it starts off as Sam acting independently, doing his own thing, doing what he thinks is right to save Dean, and then Dean swoops in, he's like, “Actually, I'm BBC Sherlock and I anticipated all of this because I'm so smart. And I studied one million psychology. So actually you lose, and the camera’s only gonna focus on my face. And as soon as I enter the scene Sam will literally be in the background, out of focus the entire time, and just follow behind me like a kicked puppy as we leave Ruby on the ground,” like, I'm sick of him. I'm so glad he's gonna die.

G: Yeah.

C: So we cut to a little bit later, and Sam and Dean are loading up guns and shit, and yeah, I think it's pretty clear that Sam wasn't in on this because he’s like, “Are we actually just gonna let Ruby rot down there?” And Dean says, “Yes.” And Sam starts expressing a desire to know what Ruby's plan is, and to try to stop Lilith. I think one of the biggest weaknesses of this episode is that we don't even get a hint of what Ruby's plan for Sam is. We have like ten different arguments of Dean being like, “No, whatever she wants you to do is evil, and it’ll warp you forever, and it's just demon trickery.” But we have no idea what it is.

G: We don’t, yeah.

C: If we knew about it, and it seemed menacing in some way, maybe I would get Dean's perspective, but I just don't get how neither of them just even bothered to ask her “Hey, what is it?” before they decided anything.

G: Really makes you think that maybe he really is just too stupid to live.

C: [laughs] Literally. Dean references Carrie, which I haven't read or watched. Have you read or watched Carrie?

G: I've watched the more recent one.

C: Okay. I know that a lot of the Sam fans enjoy comparing him to Carrie. What do you, as the person with knowledge- in what way do the similarities lie?

G: I watched Carrie when I was really young, so like- which you probably shouldn't do, but I don't remember much about it is what I'm saying. I just remember there's a lot of blood and killing and murder and it's about this girl with religious guilt or something. And she was abused by her mother, stuff like that.

C: Yeah.

G: And like, yeah, I don't remember much about it. I mean, for sure you know the iconic scene of blood being poured down on her, and the whole like- yeah.

C: Yeah.

G: I mean, do people put Carrie in the feminine rage category? What's the deal with that?

C: Maybe.

G: Yeah, I mean, maybe, it's like- I feel like it's a story that's very, you know, about girlhood in a way, so in that way, I don't think it can be related to Sam, but I'm sure it has, you know, more to say than being about girlhood, that I completely missed by virtue of not remembering much of it. So maybe this is a Sam thing. Yeah.

C: Yeah. So yeah, Dean says, “Who the fuck cares what Ruby has to say, we have the knife now.” And Sam reminds him that Lilith is very powerful, she has a bunch of demons backing her up, and that knife is not going to be enough. So Dean says again, “We are not going to make the same mistake all over again,” and Sam, thank god, asks the question that I was thinking the first time Dean said it, which is “What the fuck does that mean?”

G: [both laughing] What the fuck does that mean?

C: Yeah. So Dean says that this is part of a pattern where, like, John made a deal with a demon to save Dean, and then Dean made a deal with a demon to save Sam, to Sam working with Ruby at all is equivalent to Sam making a deal with the demon to save Dean? I'm honestly still not clear on what his point is, but I think that’s what he’s saying.

G: Yeah, he says some pretty words, like, “She's just yanking your chain down the road and you know what it's paved with, and you know where it's heading.” [C laughs] And I was like, “This is all to trick us into thinking that this means anything.”

C: Again, this is literally him learning about figurative language in his fourth grade English class. That's all he's doing. He's doing an exercise for class.

G: Yeah.

C: I feel like Dean is doing a false equivalence here. Sam is not making a demon deal. He is tapping into his psychic powers, which he should do all the time, because it's cool and sexy of him to do it. But yeah, I don't know, so much of this episode’s conflict is predicated on “demon equals bad” and that probably works for most people, but as someone who's just opposed to Supernatural's bioessentialism on principle it's just never gonna work on me.

G: Yeah, also, given that Sam has demon blood, in and of itself, there should be conflict in the show because of that, and not just be straight up “demons are evil.”

C: Right. Well, yeah, the way it is currently going, it seems to be like, yes, Sam has demon blood in him, but as long as he fights against the demon blood that is fundamentally evil inside of him that he can still be good.

G: Yeah.

C: Boring.

G: Yeah. You know how universities, you're required to take an ethics class or whatever?

C: Yeah. Well, I wasn’t.

G: You weren't?

C: No.

G: R.I.P. But I was required to take an ethics class, and I did think, like, “What would Sam feel while taking this class?” for real, like, I don't know, it's just- because, you know, a lot of those is about action, and Sam is so guilty about everything in his life.

C: Yeah.

G: That is, it's not rooted in actual, like, “What did I do?” It's rooted in, “Who am I?”

C: Yeah. There were a lot of actions he should feel guilty about that he doesn't.

G: Yeah, he's more focused on, like, “What are my thoughts, what are my feelings?” It's just like, maybe, Sam, you should look at it more, you know, “What have I done,” you know, and maybe that won't solve the problem. Maybe it'll just make him feel guiltier, but.

C: But at least he’ll be guilty about real stuff, like killing Jake. He should feel bad about that.

C: So Sam says like, “Dean, what do you think is gonna happen? This is me. I can handle it,” which is also a sentence that means nothing.

G: Yeah, what do you mean, like, “This is me? This is real? I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be now, [sings] gonna let the light, shine-” [C laughs] Sam should have been singing that song, he should have broken into song.

C: Well, he thinks that Dean should have sung “Eye of the Tiger.” So yeah, he could have joined in with his own song.

G: Oh my god, they do sing this episode!

C: They do this episode.

G: I forgor, I forgor.

C: So Sam says that he's willing to risk anything, because Dean's his brother and Dean did the same thing for him. And you know, Dean says like, “Well, yeah, that's actually an argument against all that, because we are each other's weak spots, and all the demons know it, and they're using it against us.” Are they? Are they even? They say this a lot this season, but I just don't really get that vibe.

G: Dean is so like, “I'm so special, they all care about me so much they're willing to find everything that can control me, whatever whatever.” Maybe they are, but they didn't do a good job of showing it this season. So this falls kind of flat.

C: Yeah. Like, if I saw more demons conspiring with each other and shit, I might believe that more. I do know that they all generally know about Sam and Dean, but it seems like the factions are fractured enough that it's hard for me to believe that there's a big demon conspiracy happening, even though there sort of is. Yeah, Sam's hurt by the idea that they're each other's weak spots. He's like, “You don't mean that, we're family.” What does that even mean? [laughs]

G: None of these words to me to anything to me, they’re having two different conversations.

C: Just because they’re playing the piano theme of “Americana” throughout the scene doesn't make it good. [G laughs] It is “Americana”, right? Like there's some kind of a piano theme that sounded familiar.

G: I don’t know, I don't think so. I feel like I would have recognized it.

C: Okay, it's some other piano thing that sounds kind of like “Americana.” And then Dean says another sentence that means nothing. He says, “We go after Lilith our way, the way Dad taught us to.” What does that mean? [both laughing]

G: “Dad taught us to be stupid. So alas, we shall be so.”

C: Literally, that is literally what it is. They reference John twice this episode, and it's like, Eric Kripke literally wrote the first episode of Season 3 then took a 14 episode nap, and then woke up to write this, and he was like, “What have I done in the past? Reference John? Yeah, let's put that in.” I just don't get it. I don't know what they're going for. Yeah. So he's all like, “And if we go down, we go down swinging. What do you think?” Yeah. So Sam makes fun of him. Which, okay, usually I don't like when they end serious conversations with one of them making fun of the other. But it works really well here because the conversation was stupid as shit.

G: Yeah, like when Dean said, like, “I rehearsed that, too.” I was thinking, “It's obvious, because none of the things Sam said you interfaced with in a meaningful way. You were just trying to get out what you wanted to say,” [C laughing] and same goes for Sam, I have no idea what the fuck you guys are talking about. You were having different conversations.

C: Yeah, Sam makes fun of him, and says that he should have been jamming “Eye of the Tiger,” and Dean says he rehearsed that, like you said, which is so funny to me, and they're like, “Okay, let's go to Indiana,” and “I wonder what a demon has to do for fun.” So many fun things, is the answer.

G: Yeah, we go to Indiana. And so there's, you know, two old men collecting their mail, and one of them goes like, “Hey, hey, how's that granddaughter of yours?” And the guy goes like, “Oh, she's home sick, but you know, how’s you and your wife, tell your wife I said-” you know, they're just doing the niceties, and then-

C: The niceys?

G: [laughs] The niceys. They literally are doing the niceys. And they shake hands, and as one of them leaves, the other notices that he left a note on his hand, so he opens it, and it just says, “Help us!” And we enter with the grandfather, who from now on forward I'll call the grandpa, and he opens his door to a dead lady on the floor covered with bugs. So she's been there a while.

C: Yeah, she was not treated very niceys.

G: Yeah, he continues, walking forward. And in the kitchen there is a dad and a mom, and the mom is mixing something up in a bowl, and the dad is just there with his eyes closed, and the grandpa asks like, “Where is she?” And the mom says, like, “Upstairs playing with Freckles,” and the grandpa is like, “If we just stay here, we're dead,” and the father is like, “Shut up! She'll hear you. It's her or us,” you know, they're very quiet and talking about how they can't kill her because she's their baby girl, and the grandpa insists that like, “Well, not anymore, because that's not her anymore.” And then suddenly, a little girl comes down the stairs and she's wearing a very pretty dress, except the dress is completely drenched in blood.

C: I love this actress so much. She's having so much fun.

G: She is, and it's like, I think she's a really good actress, she's really good at what she was doing, because it was so convincing that this is like an adult- like, not adult, but like this is a not-child trying to play a child, that really is the vibe that you're getting, and it's super fun and creepy and cool. I mean, we all know it's a trope to have an evil little girl, because it's like, “Ooh, evil little girl.”

C: Literally “ooh, evil little girl,” that is so fun.

G: Yeah. And you know, she’s saying, “What happened to you,” and she says, like, “Oh, Freckles was mean to me.” But she says it like this: [cheerily] “Freckles was mean to me.” Like that, and the parents are like, “Oh, that's nice, dear,” and she goes like, “Will you push me on the swing?” and the dad goes, “Yes, but don't you want to change clothes for us?” And she's like, “Oh, you're so smart, Daddy. I love you!” And then she hugs him, and you can hear the squelching of the blood. And the dad just goes, “Hey. Do you think, after a while, you could let us go?” And Lilith- who, you know, is the little kid, I think we forgot to mention it, but like, you know. Obviously, it's Lilith. She goes like, “Why would I let you go?” And the father goes, “Well, I don't know,” and she’s like, “Don't you want to be here? Don't you love me?” And as soon as- the dad goes, “No, we do,” and the mother goes, “We love you so much,” and Lilith is just like, “Don't be mean to me. I don't like it if you're mean to me, just like Freckles or the mean old babysitter.” And as soon as the dad says sorry, Lilith just goes like, “Okay. It's okay, silly. Now let's go and play,” and it's like, super creepy for real.

C: She’s having so much fun. Love it.

G: It's such a fun scene. So fun.

C: Yeah, yeah, I just really like the idea that like, this is a millennia old demon. But when she wants to have fun, what she does is possess a little girl, and terrorize a family via being a little girl who is also so creepy, it's just very fun, like that does sound like a fun thing to do. I get it. Good for her.

G: This is her rest and recreation, baby.

C: Yeah.

C: So Sam and Dean are about to head to Indiana, but for some reason, the Impala just Isn't starting, and Bobby shows up holding a car part, and he is like, “Hello! I have taken this from your car. Where the fuck do you think you're going?” And Bobby is upset that they plan to go off and try to defeat Lilith without him. He goes, “Do I look like a ditchable prom date to you?” And Sam looks so chastised at this sentence. He's like, “No, Bobby. Of course not!” So true.

G: I love this line. I think it's famous, I think somebody turned it into a “Ditchable Prom Date Tuesday” or something.

C: Oh, that's fun.

G: Is it? Did someone do that? I have no idea. But if they haven't done it, they should.

C: And Dean says, “Well, You're not part of this. This is just about me and Sam,” and Bobby goes, “Fuck no, family don't end with blood,” which I know is a famous Supernatural line. But I don't- we needed a flashback episode with Bobby before I would care about this line, you know?

G: Yeah, I suppose. We’ll get that in Season 7

C: Like, I know that he raised them, I know that he raised them, but at this point in the show no one else knows that.

G: Yeah. It's fascinating how much Bobby's in this show. But he just doesn't feel like a character that you're meant to love, he feels like very much a utility character. Is that sad?

C: Yeah. And I guess we're supposed to have his moment in the Season 2 finale where we're supposed to be like, “Oh, he really cares about Dean, and they have a close relationship.” But I just don't think we know enough about their history. So yeah, sorry. This is not my best line. Also, Supernatural has sort of done this line to death already with their #SPNfamily shit so like, it's done. It's over. So this is when Bobby brings up that Dean’s having hallucinations right now, and that means that he needs more help than he normally would, and Bobby says that he'll follow along with them in his own car. Which- why is that? Isn't there room in the Impala?

G: Maybe if they brought the other car they can bring more equipment as well. Blah blah blah, this is just me bullshitting my hypothesis.

C: Maybe he just wants to give Sam and Dean some time to do scenes alone for the good show, to make the show good.

G: That's literally the point. They need to sing “Wanted Dead or Alive” by Bon Jovi, and they need to do it alone.

C: It's true. It would be so fun if Bobby was just in the backseat trying to join in, and they're like, “Not you. We're having a moment.” We get a very ugly fade to the next scene.

G: We fade in to the Impala, and Sam starts talking in a way that implies that he thinks maybe there's a chance Dean is gonna die, and he wants to say goodbye, and Dean just goes like, “No, no, no, no, you're not gonna go goodbye speech on me, if this is my last day on earth, I don't want it to be socially awkward.” And he says, like, “You know what I do want?” Bon Jovi starts playing, and Sam goes, “Bon Jovi?” And Dean says, “Bon Jovi rocks on occasion.” I still don't understand what qualifies as good and bad for Dean, like music-wise.

C: I have no clue. I could not tell you.

G: Do you think Dean is a good KTV bar buddy?

C: Is that like the karaoke bar?

G: Oh, yeah, yeah, you don't have KTV bars there, or like, is it just called different?

C: Karaoke is not as popular in the US as it is in a lot of parts of Asia, I believe. I feel like all the karaoke places that I've seen have been in majority Asian districts.

G: So like Chinatown, Koreatown, Koreatown, probably.

C: Yeah.

G: Cause like, here in the Philippines, all of the KTVs are in the Koreatown of Manila. I'm not sure, actually, but like that's where me and my friends do it.

C: Yeah.

G: So have you ever been in one, or- where do you do your karaoke?

C: I don't really do my karaoke.

G: Aww.

C: Yeah, which is kinda sad.

G: Well, do you think Dean would?

C: Well, he does canonically do karaoke at some bars later in the series, right?

G: Yeah, but like, that’s not karaoke- is that what karaoke bars are like in the US? It's like, open? That's just a bar with a karaoke, that’s not a karaoke bar.

C: Yeah, that's just a bar with a karaoke, that’s not a karaoke bar. I don't know, I don't think Dean would go to a karaoke bar, because that would be gay.

G: [laughs] Why would it be gay?

C: It's just, it would be gay in Dean’s mind, I think it would be gay.

G: Yeah, perhaps. I think Dean would be the type of guy who would, if he's drunk enough, he'll sing every song, even if it's not- he's not the one who put it in, you know? I think he will be that guy.

C: I agree. He would be just as unbearable.

G: I've been saying this, if Dean was Filipino, he would thrive as a tito, he would thrive as a Filipino tito, like a Filipino uncle. He has the vibes for it.

C: Okay, what does that entail?

G: Like, you know, Karaoke, drinking, I suppose, being kind of an asshole to your nieces and nephews. Being a bad person. [C laughs] It sounds like him, right?

C: Being a bad person does sound like him, I agree.

G: Yeah, he's the type that will not give you money, but will give you drinking money, he'll be like, “Do you want to drink?” And you'll be like, “Okay,” and that's the only time in your life that you will give you any sort of money, including Christmas and Lunar New Year, occasions where they're kind of obligated to give something to people.

C: That sounds correct. Yeah.

G: It’s very Dean.

C: Right, so you think he would be unbearable at a karaoke bar.

G: He would be unbearable in a karaoke bar. That is true. Do you think he would thrive in a situation where Sam has children, and he's the uncle? I think it would be better than if he had children.

C: Yes. Well, let me think, I think the closest thing that we get to that is how Sam is parenting Jack a lot more than Dean is in the early Season 14 days. But, you know, that's a very unique situation where Dean is threatening to kill this guy every second.

G: That is true.

C: So I could not extrapolate much from that.

G: Also, there is just much to say about whether Sam is the type of guy who wants children anyway, which- I actually will be very happy to have that discussion in the future.

C: Okay, yeah. So I think Dean would want to be involved like an embarrassing amount.

G: That's true.

C: I feel like he'd be quite pushy about being involved in Sam's children's lives, and I don't know, he still seems to think that John is a good parent, at least in this episode, written by Eric Kripke, so like, I don't know what his parenting style would be like at all.

G: That's interesting and so true.

G: So they start singing, and Sam is so bad at it, Dean sounds like a normal guy who's singing, and Sam is like, I don't know, his voice is cracking, and like [sings] “Wanted-”

C: I found his bad singing very charming!

G: I think it's charming. I think it's funny, it’s funny in like, “Aww,” that kind of way, not like in a “Haha, I'm laughing at you because you're so terrible” kind of way. I think it's endearing.

C: Yeah, and he’s smiling a lot, and he looks very beautiful when he does it.

G: Yeah.

C: Sam looks really good this episode. I don't know if I've mentioned that yet.

G: No, you haven't, and I don't agree. [laughs]

C: What? Oh my God! Okay, fine. Okay. Let's discuss this. Tell me more.

G: I think he looks kinda uggo. That's my- that's the only discussion you will have. I'll just go, “He looks kind of uggo,” and then you go, “I think he looks pretty,” and I’ll go, “No, he looks kind of uggo.”

C: Well, okay, I guess there's nothing we can do about how you're wrong and I’m right. So we must move on.

G: [laughs] They just keep on singing, and as they drive off there's a shot where we see that they have a busted tail light. I never understood this. I don't drive. Never have drived. Well, I have drived, and then it scared the crap out of me. So I've never done it again.

C: That's correct of you.

G: But, busted taillight, right? I've never had an experience in the Philippines where my family, or whatever, or whoever I’m with, gets stopped for a busted taillight, but it feels so stupid to me, that like- so what's the game plan? “You have a busted taillight. That's dangerous, I'm gonna pull you over and give you a ticket, and then go forth with your life”?

C: I don't know, because I have not had a busted taillight situation, either. Yeah, I don't know. I guess the point is like, maybe it's preventative? Like, as soon as you bust a taillight you should try to replace it as soon as possible, because if you keep driving around with it, you'll keep getting tickets?

G: Yeah, but like, in the moment you have a busted taillight, and then the police stops you.

C: I think you probably just go on your way.

G: And then they let you go again, and then it's like, you're still in danger, because you have a busted taillight, and they’re just letting you do it, and all you need to do is pay a fee for it. I don't know, I think it's stupid.

C: I think each time you run across a traffic cop, you'll get a new ticket, for as long as you have a busted taillight, so I feel like it probably still works?

G: Why don't they just replace the light then and there?

C: That is a good question. I don't- is it the same for every car model? Do you have to go to the special Impala shop to get a taillight for the Impala?

G: Yeah. The 1967 Chevy Impala shop. Real.

C: [laughs] Yeah. There's probably like a “several sizes fits all” taillight. Yeah, I do agree that it makes more sense for traffic cops to just be mechanics. But, alas.

G: Basically the Impala gets stopped, and a cop comes over, and it’s like, “License and registration blah blah blah,” as soon as Dean gives it, he's like, “Yeah, I was gonna change the taillight,” and then he steps out of the car and beats the shit out of this officer, and then stabs him in the neck, and he does the whole “light up a demon from the inside” demonic thing. And we realize that it's a demon, and Bobby's like, “What the hell?” And Sam is like, “How do you know it's a demon,” and Dean just says like, “I just knew, I could see his face. Its real face under that one.” So, slay.

C: Yeah.

G: And they end up in the woods, and they're putting branches over the car-

C: [laughs] Yeah, the police car to hide the fact that Dean killed a cop.

G: [laughs] I thought that was so funny because it's like, the car is still there.

C: Yeah, they do not cover it very well.

G: And Sam is like, “How are you seeing demons?” And Bobby says, “Well, you’re five hours-” so this is five hours to go. “You're 5 hours to go. You're piercing the veil. You're glimpsing the B-side.” [laughs] Wow! They really are hammering home the metaphor. It's similes this episode. And Dean says like, “A little less new age-y please,” and Bobby just goes, “You're almost Hell's bitch. So, you can see Hell's other bitches.”

C: What a way to word it!

G: What a way to word it! But yeah, basically, that's what's happening, Dean seeing them because he's about to become them.

C: Yeah, so we cut back to Lilith, just having so so much fun. So yeah. Apparently, her thing is that she really likes sweets the way that Ruby really likes fries. So, you know, they're having like a semi-family dinner thing, but the only things available are candy and cake, and the mom is bringing in a birthday cake, and Lilith goes like, “Yay, it's my birthday every day!” and blows out the candles. I'm surprised that no one asked her what she wished for, she didn't say anything about what she wished for. I feel like that's a missed opportunity to do some corny horror.

G: What would you presume she would say?

C: Oh, god, I don't know. Just general like, “That we can be like this forever,” like, semi-ominous cheesy shit, you know?

G: Yeah. Yeah.

C: So she goes like, “Hey, Grandpa? Can I ask you something? Why did you try to go to Mr. Wayburn for help?” And so the assumption is that everyone in this town is a demon, so that he passed the “Help us” message onto Lilith. Right, and the grandpa’s like, “I didn't,” and she calls him a big fat liar, and she asks the mom and dad if they were in on this plan, and both of them say no, meaning that they are leaving the grandpa to die.

G: I mean they really weren't, though so like. What do you want them to do?

C:I don't know if they like- I couldn't tell if they were or weren’t in on the plan. I sort of assumed that maybe they were? And you know, she calls him a mean old man who doesn't really love her. And then, you know, she does a hand motion and his neck fucking snaps, let's go, and then she goes, “Nobody scream, okay, screaming makes me mad,” which was so so fun. So you know, the parents are crying and covering up their mouths, and you know, she's back to happy. And she asks to have ice cream with her cake. Oh, she's just so fun, she's so fun.

G: I love how for almost all the cases that we like this season, it involves a child in some way. Like, we really like “The Kids Are Alright,” because it involves a child being a creepy, creepy creature. And then we- oh, well, I liked the telephone, the “Long Distance Call” one specifically because of the conflict with the father whose child died. I really like what they did with that one, and it's like, I don't know. Why are children so effective in like horror and invoking feelings?

C: Yeah, I don't know, but they are just very good at it.

G: Yeah, I think it's very effective if you want to do a sad thing, it's like, “And then the child died.” [C laughs] But Supernatural is very strict with the “no child dying on screen” thing.

C: Yeah, which I guess is probably a good thing, but also, they allow so many other things that it's like, “Huh! Weird that this is where you draw the line.”

G: I think it's like a-

C: Like the network would lose a lot of advertising if blah blah blah.

C: So we cut to the outside, where Sam and Dean are peering- and also Bobby, he's also there- are peering into this window.

G: [laughs] Bobby to is in this episode.

C: Yes. And apparently Dean can tell that the little girl is Lilith, because her face is the ugliest of all the five million demon faces in this town. I still don't get that.

G: Yeah.

C: Like all of them are demons, and like, I don't know. Also, you know, the general trope of, “beauty equals goodness and ugliness equals bad evilness” is annoying in general. But yeah, okay, apparently Dean can just tell that this one's Lilith. Dean stops Sam from just going for it, because the whole town is full of demons, and it's gonna be hard for them to get past everyone and kill a ten-year-old girl, and Sam and Bobby are both like, “Yeah, it is pretty bad that we're gonna kill a ten-year-old girl. But this is about saving everyone in the town. It's for the greater good,” and Dean's like, “Okay, sure fine.” This is the only discussion they have about the “killing a ten-year-old girl” thing.

G: I mean, not only do they kill a ten-year-old, they killed multiple people via knife.

C: Yes, because the knife kills the vessel fully.

G: Yeah. Also, I would like to say, I like that they never attempted to show us the demon faces, like thank fucking God. I don't want to see that shit. Like whatever Supernatural thinks of as a demon face. I don't want to see it. Keep that shit to yourself. I’m glad that they didn’t attempt it.

C: Yeah. They went and looked at a dictionary of various skin conditions that they wanted to villainize, and they were like, “Huh, maybe not.”

G: [laughs] So we go back to Lilith and the mom and she goes like, “Read it again, Mommy,” and the mom goes, “But I've read it 26 times.” I love that she has counted up until 26.

C: Yeah.

G: And Lilith just goes, “Again,” and you know, she goes, “Once upon a time blah blah blah,” and the story is about an evil dragon that demanded blood from the children, and about like, you know, a terrible being that is ravaging down. And it's very obviously like a “Lilith is the dragon in this story” kind of situation.

C: Yeah, which is fun. But I feel like what would be even more fun is if we saw that she makes the mom stop before the tide turns, and the princess starts winning, and then she makes her start from the beginning again. But I know it's already sort of implied. But I just love seeing evil little girl antics.

G: Yeah. Anyway, the mailman is still flipping through the mail at 9 PM when suddenly Dean goes like, “Hi,” basically, he just shows up at the mailman’s line of sight, and starts running. So the mailman follows him, and then, as they turn the corner, Sam shows up and stabs the guy, and then Bobby is putting holy water to the water system. I mean, putting holy water- making the water in the water system holy water, and then we cut back to Sam and Dean, who has now killed the other neighbor that they saw that is a demon. And then suddenly, as Dean’s running, he gets cornered up into a fence by none other than…

C: Ruby!

G: Hi, Ruby!

C: Hi, Ruby!

G: And she goes, “I'd like my knife back, please, or your neck snaps like a chicken bone,” and then Sam shows up and puts the knife against her neck and goes like, “He doesn’t have it. I have it.” And they ask her how she got out, and she goes, “What you don't know about me could fill a book.” And I would love to buy it.

C: Yes.

G: They exchange this look where Dean looks at her, and then looks away, and it's like a whole thing, and Ruby is like, “What?” and Dean is like, “I couldn't see you before, but you're one ugly broad.” He’s so rude.

C: [sighs] Men are misogynistic to cope. [both laugh]

G: Yeah. And Ruby demands for the knife, and Sam says, “You'll get the knife when this is all over,” and she says, “It's already over. I gave you a way to save Dean, and you said no, so it's too late. He's dead, and I'm not going to let you die, too.” And Sam says, “Try and stop me, I’ll kill you…bitch.”

C: There is a very long pause in between.

G: Yeah, he was double thinking. He was like, “Should I call her ‘bitch,’ is this where I drop it? Now I’ve got to be just like Dean for real right now,” and then he goes, “Bitch.”

C: Yeah. It's a very interesting moment. Like, he's clearly making the choice to say it to indicate to her, “It's over, I no longer view you as an equal or someone whose advice i'm willing to take.” He is using it as a way of putting emotional walls up between them by using misogyny to indicate the difference that he views between them. It is very interesting, and I think it is like a good character moment, but like, gosh, Sam, really?

G: Ruby is unfazed by this. She just goes, “Hit me with your best shot, baby,” [C starts humming] and Dean calls this little fight that they're having a catfight. Some people are misogynist to cope! [both laughing]

C: I wonder what the title of this episode will be.

G: Yeah. And then they notice that there's so many people who are now standing by the door. And everyone is there. And then they start running towards the house where Lilith is, and then people- the demons start running after them.

C: They're trying to get into Lilith's house, and they don't know where Bobby is. But then, when the first demon gets to the lawn of the house, the sprinkler system activates, and it is all holy water. So there's just a wall of holy water sprinklers keeping out all the demons, and it is pretty fun. Like, I do enjoy when they come up with creative ways to use holy water and exorcisms like in “Jus in Bello.” Yeah, that is like one aspect of the lore that they are not afraid to have fun with. So Dean's really psyched about this. Sam manages to get them in, and you know, they're inside the house. They see the dead babysitter, and they go, “Uh oh,” and the three of them run into the dad. Dean covers the guy's mouth and says, “We're here to help, tell us where your daughter is,” and he instructs the guy to go to the basement and protect himself with salt, and the guy says that he won't do it without his wife, and Dean just knocks him out with a punch in the face, and then just carries him downstairs. Meanwhile Sam and Ruby are upstairs. They're sneaking about. Tension is high.

G: They did this whole thing where Ruby goes into a room, and it's like, for what? For what?

C: Well, they don't know which room is her bedroom, right?

G: They can look inside and see that she's not there.

C: That is true.

G: What was the point?

C: Yeah, they just wanted to shut her in a bank vault.

G: They needed her to separate. They needed her to be separate so they can make the whole possession thing work out.

C: Yeah, when is the exact moment that Lilith possesses Ruby’s vessel?

G: I think the moment she entered that room.

C: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. So yeah, that is what happens, and Sam eventually gets into Lilith's bedroom, and, she has a canopy bed with this pink gauze around it, so he's a little bit hidden from view, and Lilith's asleep in the mom's arms, and Sam, you know, is sneaking up. He has a knife. He's getting closer, and the mom is awake and we see her right now, she's terrified, trying not to wake up Lilith, but she keeps mouthing, “Do it,”, she's doing it- she's saying “Do it” over and over again, and I enjoyed this moment. It was like, the mouthing of the “Do it,” that was fun. I think that the actress did a good job with this. And she's starting to get frantic, and she's starting to say the “Do it” out loud, but when the Lilith child wakes up, she screams like a regular kid and not like a demon. and Sam’s about to stab her to death when Dean grabs him and says, “That's not Lilith anymore, she's left this body.” So I thought earlier the reason that there was less discussion about why they weren't- about how they were gonna kill a ten-year-old girl was like, the lore that we got in 3.15, which is that it seemed like all the demons that they exorcized recently had worked their vessels so hard that they were just dead upon the exorcism. So I sort of assumed that we were supposed to think that all of these new demons had basically killed their vessels already, but this little girl is alive, and I know it is just because Supernatural won't show child death, but I do like thinking about what it means that Lilith tries to treat her vessels well.

G: Yeah.

C: But yeah, I guess I don't know. I guess we'll learn more about Lilith in the future. Will we?

G: I have no idea, actually.

C: Okay.

G: Hopefully.

C: Hopefully,

G: I think for me, because like, Lilith and Eve kind of are mixed in my head, so I’m pretty sure Lilith doesn't actually show up as Mary. That's Eve.

C: Yeah, I think so.

G: But that's the only thing I remember. So like, the only thing I remember about Lilith is something that she did not do. [C laughs] So, R.I.P.

C: Yeah, I think the main thing that I know about Lilith is a post that I saw about someone liking aspects of Lilith about how they like that she presents herself as a child a lot of the time, and how her main thing is liking sweets, and how she sort of seems like she became a demon through being a spoiled child of Lucifer rather than by being tortured by Lucifer. So, I don't know. Maybe we will see more about her origin story, unless that person was just being creative. In which case, nice job.

G: Anyway. Dean, Sam and Ruby are all going downstairs, and Dean is putting the family in the basement.

C: I just realized, do we see Bobby again in this episode?

G: Nope! [C laughs] Well, we do. He's looking out the window.

C: That's it?

G: Yes.

C: Man, he made such a big fuss about coming along, and all he did was provide one fun sprinkler moment.

G: He literally only provided one fun sprinkler moment. But Sam asks Ruby, “Where is Lilith?” And she goes, “I don't know,” and Sam goes, “Could she get past the sprinklers?” and Ruby says, “Well, yeah, because she's, you know, high-ranking and everything,” and Sam says, “Okay, you win. What do I have to do to save Dean?” And she goes, “There's no fucking way in hell you're saving him now. You had your chance, and we needed time. So you can't just ask for us to do it now.” And Sam is like, “Whatever it is, I'll do it. There's gotta be some way,” and Sam says, “I'm not gonna let you go to Hell, Dean,” and Dean says, “Well, yes, you are. Yes, you are,” and he says, “Sorry, it's all my fault. But what you're doing, it's not going to save me. It's only going to kill you.”

C: Like, there's no fucking proof of any of that.

G: Yeah, he's just being like-

C: He's just making shit up. He rehearsed this in the car, too.

G: Yeah. And then Sam says, like, “Then what am I supposed to do?” And Dean says, “Keep fighting. Take care of my wheels.”

C: “Remember what Dad taught you.” What? What did he teach you? What are you talking about?

G: “And remember what I taught you,” and it's like-

C: What the fuck are you talking about?

G: Just say specifics, bro! [C laughs] Just say specifics, bro. And then the clock strikes twelve.

C: The only conversation we had sort of about what Dean taught Sam was that conversation where Sam's like, “Well, I need to be ruthless now to win this war because I have to be like you,” and Dean's like, “Well, that concerns me, because I prefer when you're yourself and bring up ethical concerns that I don't give a shit about.” But I guess the outcome of this is “you should be ruthless like me”? Is that what “remember what I taught you” means?

G: I have no idea.

C: What does any of this mean? Oh well.

G: Yeah, as the clock strikes twelve, Ruby tells Dean, “I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish this upon my worst enemy.” Is this Lilith or is this Ruby? I think this is Ruby still. I changed my mind. I think this is Ruby.

C: Okay, so you don't think that Lilith has possessed Ruby’s vessel yet.

G: Yeah?

C: So where is Lilith?

G: I mean it's all ambiguous, no matter how hard we try to like, reason it out here, we're not going to get an answer. So I'm just going to believe that this is Ruby, and she's being for real.

C: I do believe that Ruby thinks this, but I don't know if it is still Ruby right now.

G: Anyway, Dean goes like, “Oh, there's a hellhound here, over there,” and they start running to another room and put the dust down and everything.

C: Right. Dean is like, “Sam, I've accepted my death. You should let me go to Hell,” and then as soon as he hears a dog, he's running? Like, whatever, according to your previous speech, you should just stand there.

G: [laughs] Well.

C: So right, they run into the other room, they're putting goofer dust down to keep the dogs out. And Ruby tells Sam, like, “Give me the demon killing knife, maybe I can go out and try to fight off those hellhounds,” and Sam is about to do it when Dean yells “Stop!” again, and reveals that that is not Ruby, that is Lilith. And upon this reveal, you know, Lilith stops acting. I don't think Katie Cassidy does a very good job embodying Lilith in this scene.

G: I think it's fine. I just didn't like what Lilith was doing, anyway.

C: Yeah. That's true. It's- yeah, no, the fact that the last vessel we saw her in was a little girl makes all of her future behavior quite questionable, like, from a writing standpoint.

G: What do you mean by that?

C: Like she goes, “Oh, I like this new vessel. It's all grown up and pretty,” like, what is- I don't know. It's just a weird switch for her. I feel like they have made her a sexual being, but in a weird childlike way.

G: I didn't see it as that. I just was like- I was thinking more of like-

C: It’s bad to sexually assault people?

G: Well, that one, and also the whole thing you mentioned before, where it's like, “every villain who's a woman has to weaponize her sexuality in some way” kind of situation.

C: Yeah, it's very, very annoying, can't she just be evil in a regular way? But yeah, so, her eyes turn white, which, do we get like- okay, crossroads demons have red eyes, princes of hell have yellow eyes. What types of demons have white eyes?

G: No idea.

C: Okay. Well.

G: [laughs] I'm so useless, I'm sorry!

C: [laughs] It’s okay, you’ve only watched this show several times.

G: Yeah, I think it's just her, though.

C: Huh. Okay. Well, whatever, I guess, good for her.

G: She's the specialest little princess of Hell.

C: Good for her. Right, she says that she sent Ruby “far, far away for being a bad girl.” Also she's cracking all of her vessel’s neck bones, and murdering her with every step she takes. Dean makes a comment where he's like, “I should have noticed that you guys swapped earlier, but you all look the same to me,” which is supposed to be like a cool, badass line, I fucking guess.

G: It's so like- it doesn't make any sense, why are we saying this now? Is it supposed to be like a justification of how he did not notice before? By the writer?

C: I guess so.

C: Yeah. Also, it sounds like it's vaguely racist? [both laugh] But yeah, whatever, I mean, Supernatural goes back and forth on whether or not hating monsters is racist or not. Like, “It's racist when Gordon does it, but if Sam and Dean do it, it is not,” is what I mean by Supernatural goes back and forth.

C: Yeah, so, at this point Lilith tells Sam that she's wanted to meet him for a long time, and then she sexually assaults him kissing him really hard, and then she says, “Your lips are soft.” Why- what's the point of any of this?

G: What is the point?

C: Why. What even goes on. Did Eric Kripke write “Shadow?” No, no, that was someone else. Someone else wrote “Shadow” because it was like, their only episode.

G: No, he wrote “Shadow,” he wrote “Shadow!”

C: Wait, he did? Fuck!

G: Yes!

C: Is this a thing? [G laughs] Eric Kripke, do you have a kink that you are putting on our screens when you don't have to?

G: Yeah. He did write “Shadow.”

C: Eric Kripke just wants blonde demon women to sexually assault Sam Winchester so bad. Thanks. Alright, Eric Kripke. I really appreciate it. Great TV moments you're creating here. So yeah, so Eric Kripke does that to our eyeballs. I mean, does Dean sort of wince offscreen at this or something? I don’t know.

G: I don't think so. I don't think so.

C: Yeah. I guess I was wincing offscreen. So Sam tells Lilith that, “Well, now that you have me you should let Dean go,” and Lilith says, "To bargain, you have to have something that I want, and you don't.” Dean says that her plan is to kill him and then kill Sam, and become the Queen of Hell, or whatever. Lilith does not confirm this, but I think we're supposed to assume that that is indeed the case. Okay, I have a question about Ruby's motivations. She wants the Apocalypse. Does she want the Apocalypse to happen, or does she just want Sam to become Lucifer's vessel?

G: No, she wants the Apocalypse to happen. I don't know, don’t ask me. We’ll figure it out next season.

C: Okay, so the righteous man breaking in Hell is a requirement, so like, why would she actually want Sam to manage to kill Lilith?

G: Maybe it’s different right now.

C: Okay, yeah. Also, yeah, I was like, what even is the definition of a “righteous man” for the seal breaking?

G: Well, isn’t like, the whole thing like, John was supposed to be the righteous man.

C: Okay, but he didn't break in Hell. So they were like, “We gotta bring Dean in, cause he could maybe torture people.”

G: What I wonder is if Sam was the one who went to Hell, if he breaks, would that be considered the breaking of a righteous man?

C: Right, yeah. I think I read in a fic that the definition of a righteous man is someone that makes a demon deal to save someone else's life. So it really could be anyone.

G: Hmm. Okay, it could be anyone.

C: I don't know. It surprises me that that's never happened before then, I'm assuming plenty of people made demon deals to save someone else's life, and then ended up torturing people in Hell due to so much torture. I don't know if that fic was right, I guess we'll find out next season, or maybe we won't. And Lilith walks over to the door and she goes, “Sic ‘em boy,” and she opens the door, and a hellhound comes in, and she laughs a bunch, and Dean gets torn to fucking shreds! It is pretty brutal, but also not as brutal as a lot of Supernatural things. So it didn't have that big of an impact on me.

G: Sam is watching this.

C: Yeah.

G: And all I could think of was the Bakugou tweet. [laughing]

C: What Bakugou tweet?

G: It's like, “They livestreamed his death. His brother saw that shit.” [C laughing] That's all I could think about.

C: Literally they livestreamed the death and his family saw that. Yeah, Sam’s- yeah, Jared Padalecki’s putting his whole Jared Padalussy into this, you know, screaming, crying, throwing up, yelling, “No, stop,” I feel like this entire episode has been proof that Jared Padalecki is capable of acting in terms of like, he's capable of crying on camera, and Jensen Ackles isn't. [G laughs] So yeah, you know, he's screaming and crying and begging Lilith to make it stop, but it doesn't stop. I think there's like a fun moment where Dean gets clawed really bad, and he arches his neck back in pain, and it cuts to Sam, and he's doing the same thing with his face, but it's an emotional pain, crying, arching his face? That was a nice moment. Yeah, and you know, Dean’s being so killed. And then Lilith puts out her hand, and there's like a blinding white light that comes out of it, and it's supposed to hit Sam and kill him, I think. And then the light goes away, and she looks very confused. And I'm honestly a bit confused about what happened here?

G: Yeah, cause part of me, when I first watched it was like, “She’s back to Ruby.”

C: Yeah, she's back to Ruby, or she's back to the vessel, what's happening? Exactly. Yeah, the acting choices made after the white light goes away makes it seem like she's a completely different character than Lilith, but Lilith is still in her? I don't know. I don't know what's happening.

G: Yeah, I don't know.

C: I thought maybe this was like a fun preview to the thing that happens with the nurse in 4.22 or whatever, where the demon allows the vessel's consciousness to come to the surface to beg Sam not to kill her, but I don't think that is what's happening here. I think we're just supposed to read that she's acting so completely differently because she's so afraid at the fact that Sam was able to resist her power. But I was just confused.

G: Yeah, it doesn’t come off that way. Yeah.

C: Yeah, it took me a while to figure out that that is what I was supposed to get out of this. So she tells Sam to stay back, but he's coming at her with the knife, and just as he’s about to stab, the vessel’s head falls back really hard, and a bunch of black smoke comes out of her, and she screams, and then she collapses dead, and then, you know, Sam is left alone in this room, and he walks over to Dean, and he's crying, and I've seen this shot a lot. I feel like he's doing a good job crying, you can see the tears going off of his nose, and one jumps free and lands on Dean. So yeah, he's, you know, cradling Dean’s dead body and going, like, “No, no,” but you know, more emotionally than that. And then we zoom into Dean's eye, and this is like a transition until we get into some weird, cloudy, green fart cloud world, and Dean is chained up by all of his limbs, and he's covered in blood, and he's screaming, “Someone help me,” and then he starts screaming, “Sam, Saaaaam,” and then we fade to credits.

G: We truly do. Man. That was an episode.

C: [laughs] Yeah. You said you had things to say about Dean's death when we got to Dean's death.

G: [laughing] No, it was that.

C: It was just the Bakugou tweet? [laughs] So fucking true. That's so correct of you.

G: That was all I thought to say! Because of that though, I couldn’t get into the emotional space to mourn Dean’s death.

C: I also can’t mourn Dean’s death.

G: I was literally going like, “Sam saw that shit, man,”and he literally did. [both laughing]

C: Yeah, I can't even get into the emotional depths of how awful Sam must feel right now, it's just like, “Isn't it so funny that that happened” is the only thought I can muster about this.

G: [laughs] Yeah, I mean, what is your final thoughts about this episode?

C: I didn't like that Dean was- okay, I liked and didn't like that Dean was screaming Sam's name. It seems like a pretty cheap way to end the season, like the fade out of him yelling “Sam,” like, whatever, he does that all the time. That doesn't mean anything. But I guess I was thinking about various anecdotes from real life people about moments of greatest pain in their life where they've had really difficult relationships with their parents, but in their moments of being the most scared, their thought is like, “I wish my mom was here,” or something like that, and I do wonder if I would like the scene better if he was screaming for Mary or John. But then I guess-

G: The emotional something wouldn’t be the same.

C: Right, but I think this also does an amount of good work in that like, it's true that Sam is the only person he has left and it is true that during this whole season Sam was like, “You've always taken responsibility for me, so it's my turn to take care of you, and you can count on me, and it will be okay.” So it does make sense that it is Sam. But whatever, he does this all the time.

G: I think the whole “greatest moments of pain, you go back to who you were with in your childhood,” I think that is a thing that people experience. I've seen it in people who were dying, calling out to their siblings and stuff, or just the people they were with in their youth. So like, I think it does make sense, not even in a “This is the person who took care of me or protected me or stuff,” but like, “This is the person I was with during better moments of my life.” I mean, you can't really say that about Dean I guess, he didn't really have much good moments in his life. [C laughs] But you know what I mean, it makes sense to me. Anyway, Best Line/Worst Line.

C: Best line…I kind of did like Ruby's thing about like, how “You don't like being different, and you hate the way Dean looks at you.” Just, every time they actually bring up a Sam storyline that I feel like has gotten dropped, I start screaming and cheering, regardless of the quality of the line. So yeah, that is my best line.

G: I think for Best Line, I actually really did like when they were singing Bon Jovi together. I know I made fun of Sam, but my best line in this episode is just them singing together.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah, ‘cause I don't know, it feels very, like, you would think that the intention of this scene is to break the tension in some way, but it doesn't, that's not the point. The point is to build to the tension that like, oh, he's dying for real, it's supposed to make you even more anxious and more- and I like that subversion, in a way, of like, this scene that’s supposed to be fun and something, looking back to it almost feels tragic in some way.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah. So I quite like it. For Worst Line, what's your worst line?

C: Dean’s very misogynistic this episode, so.

G: Yeah.

C: Any of them? I think “sexy little yoda” is too iconic to be my worst line. Maybe it's when he was so mean to Bela. I just hate that that is how we leave off on her character, and we never meet her again, you know?

G: Go back to her again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have said this before, but I hate the word “skank” so much, I hate it so much it’s unreal, so I think the “Miss Universe of lying skanks,” that line.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah. Man, spreadsheet.

C: Spread. Sheet.

G: We are spreading that sheet, baby. [C laughs] That sounds so horrible.

C: I thought that was the point.

G: [laughs] We literally are spreading that sheet.

C: Yes. So, misogyny, definitely present, would you say it's a 1 or a 2?

G: Yeah. I would say it's a 2 this episode.

C: Yeah, I agree. He just hates women so much. And in fact, Sam also hates women so much by the end of this. Racism, I don't recall anything related to people of color or ever coming up-

G: No, I don’t think there’s anything.

C: So they manage to dodge it via omission. Homophobia, I don’t think so?

G: No, yeah.

C: Alright. So we got a 2-0-0.

G: Alrightie, a 2-0-0. Okay, IMDb, I am not sure.

C: Yeah. I feel like the shock value of Dean actually crying- sorry, why did I say crying- the shock value of Dean actually dying could go either way in terms of the scores?

G: I would say this is an 8.9.

C: Huh, I was not going to go that high.

G: I mean, you know how season finales are.

C: That’s true. 8.7 is what I'm going to guess.

G: Okay, okay. So. 8.9 versus 8.7. Damn! It's a 9.2.

C: Oh shit. Okay. That's very high, is that- what else has even been that high? Okay, it looks like 3.03 was a 9.2, which was “Bad Day at Black Rock”? Alright, fair. Alright, “In My Time of Dying” was a 9.2. This was not as good as “In My Time of Dying.”

G: “In My Time of Dying” was 9.2?

C: Yeah.

G: Damn. “Bad Day at Black Rock” is 9.2. And this is- I mean, maybe that's equivalent. Yeah. Sometimes I don't understand the ratings in this show.

C: Yeah. Nor do I.

G: Yeah. This review said that this is the best Supernatural season ender of the first three seasons.

C: Eh.

G: Well, to be fair-

C: There's only been two others.

G: This one is just saying, “Excellent episode.” Oh, this one: “Zero payoff! What a disappointing season. This finale had zero pay off. We don't know any more about Lilith, Dean died, so everything they tried in this season was for nothing. Sam can suddenly resist Lilith without further explanation. This was such a nonsensical finale it's insane. Yeah, it was gripping, right until those last few moments when you realized it was all for nothing.” Somebody's mad Dean died. Like, he’s not real, dude.

C: Have you considered that it's so funny?

G: [laughs] Have you considered that it's sooo funny?

C: Trying to see if there's anything else that's interesting here.

G: This one just describes what happened in the last scene of the episode, and I was like, “Just like me and Crystal for real.” [laughs]

C: Yeah. Truly.

G: Yeah, they don’t say anything else, they just describe it.

C: Is this the 5 out of 10 one?

G: Yeah.

C: It’s true, they do not explain why it's 5 out of 10. They just summarize the episode, and it's titled “Death of one of the Winchester boys :(“. So real.

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: I guess that's it.

G: I guess that’s it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing Season 3 in general and our expectations for Season 4. Leave us a rating or a review wherever you get your podcasts.

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Then & Forever

A/N: I wrote this in like five days and had my bestie edit. This is my first time writing anything, but I love Josh so-

Summary: Since you started working for GVF, you and Josh had grown close to each other over the years. This time you hope your feelings don't get in the way of ruining everything you built.

Contains: Smut, drinking, smoking, cursing

WC: 10.9k

"So you're saying that. . . you've never played an instrument before?" Sam pointed at his bass. You laughed at the question, sipping your beer. "Correct." Sam furrowed his face in confusion. "Then why do you have a degree IN music if you can't play?" Josh hit Sam on the shoulder with a pencil making a small face. You shrugged your shoulders, swishing the alcohol around your mouth. "I don't know, It's just something I've never wanted to do, you know. I guess it's one thing knowing about an instrument rather than playing it."

Everyone nodded in agreement. "Well, if you did play anything I'm sure you'd be really good at it." Josh smiled towards you. He went back to writing in his journal while everyone else went back to respectively playing their own instruments.

But for you, it seemed a long way home. Never did it cross your mind that you would basically be living with four different people from time to time. Especially not so quickly. Greta Van Fleet was your first job, and really, first anything. From high school until now, you were alone. Which made you a little grumpy when working with people, but none the less you warmed up to them quickly. Especially Josh, who always seemed attached to the hip with you.

Josh may have annoyed you a tiny bit at first, but his euphoric mind is what intrigued you in the first place. He always seemed so wise, knowing the right answer to everything. And the way he wrote the lyrics to songs, just naturally appeared to him somehow. It was truly magic.

Jake smacked you on the arm, calling for your attention. "Ok, what do you think of this." He pulled the guitar over his lap, playing the notes he came up with. You quickly wrote down the notes he played, looking out for any correction. "So what do you think?" He asked, flailing his arms around. Running your pencil down the piece of paper, you started to shake your head. "I think it sounds pretty good," you said looking at Josh, who also nodded his head in compliance. "What would also sound cool is if you gave it a little vibrato during a live show."

Jake smiled writing the commentary down on a sticky note. "You know, for not knowing how to play, you really are smart with this kind of stuff." You glared your eyes at him, snickering just a little bit. Everyone worked for a couple of more hours, before calling it a night. Danny and Sam were practically sleeping on each other.

You shook Sam awake, snatching his car keys from his hand. "We'll both be dead if you drive, and were the most important in the band. Well, besides Danny. And Jake. And Josh." You twirled the keys around your finger while Sam stretched to get awake. Josh flipped all the pages over in his journal, turning to you. "We got pretty far today, don't you think?" Josh smiled at his brothers, who were already arguing about something. "Yeah. Maybe we'll get better stuff done tomorrow, you know. This is supposed to be the 'fun' part," you said using air quotations, "but the most boring part out of everything. But maybe, in the end, it'll all be worth it." you hit Josh's arm softly.

"Are you going with Sam?" you nodded quickly. "Yeah, I kind of promised him I would help him with some stuff in the morning." Josh looked sadder than ever. You smiled at Josh, noticing Sam waiting by the door with Jake and Danny. "I'll see you later." You gave Josh a quick kiss on the head.

"Let's go." you wiggled a finger at Sam, practically dragging him to the car. The ride to Sam's house was fairly quiet other than the little snores coming from him. It was nice to get a moment or two of peace to yourself. Working and living with four grown men gave no room for privacy. Everything is shared between you all. Which you had to admit, scared you a little at first because you've always grown up with a sister and maybe a few girlfriends here and there; but you were never as close to them, then as you were to the band.

The house was quiet when you walked in, dark and dim from the night sky. Sam immediately walked to his bedroom, and passed out on his bed. Which left you alone in the kitchen. Putting some of the items away in cabinets, you looked around at all the brothers' family photos, including some of Danny. It made you smile to yourself to see some of them so young and happy. Maybe a little vulnerable too. You were a little envious of how confident some of them had been with their work, just being able to put themselves out there, accepting failure. Not you though. Failure made you angry, furious even. Sometimes it got so bad, you'd hide away for days without any contact with the outside world.

After putting all the trash away, you headed back to the spare room. You turned on all the lights, changing into some warmer clothing. Crawling under the sheets, sleep came easy that night.

When you woke up, the blinds had been left the night before causing you to shoot out of bed. Quickly rubbing your eyes, you went to the bathroom to clean up a bit. When you walked towards the kitchen, your feet padded beneath you. Sam still wasn't up, which was pretty normal. You started some coffee and cooked breakfast for the two of you. Though, something triggered you to open a forbidden drawer and bum a cigarette. Quickly lighting it, you messed around with food until it was cooked.

"A cigarette at 8 in the morning?" Sam questioned groggily, clad in just sweatpants. "Well, you know me; I only smoke when I'm forgetting something." You both said in unison. You quickly waved him off, pouring food onto a plate for both of you. "I wonder WHO you're forgetting." You scrunched your face, looking around the room. "What do you mean who?" Sam scoffed. "Josh," You quickly rolled your eyes, slamming the plate down on the table "Eat the fucking food you loser." You both contently ate in peace while making some playful banter here and there. "So what exactly do you need help with?" Sam pulled out a cigarette from the cartridge, silently lighting.

"I need help with a decision." Sam stared at you while you nodded your in question, pretending like you at least understood what he was talking about. "Look, I just want you to go with me to buy another bass, ok. And I want to go to the record store." Narrowing your eyes, you pulled the cigarette from him. "I feel like this is something completely different than what you're telling me." Sam shook his head slowly. "Nope. I still want to keep the mint-colored bass, but I just want to have a cool collection, you know. Oh, let's buy something expensive!" He pointed the smoke at you, while you collected the dishes to put in the sink. "Let's not get ahead of ourselves, please. We can not go broke. Not like last time." You shuddered at the thought.

"Thanks for the food. I'm gonna get ready." You flinched your eyebrows and kept washing the dishes, putting them in the dishwasher. You quickly went back to the room for a change of clothes. By the time you were done, Sam was waiting at the door for you. Grabbing your coat and your shoes, you both headed out the door. Sam was walking coolly beside you, as you both looked around the town. Shops were lining down the small street, with cars passing through. He put his arm around your shoulder as you both passed through large crowds. Finally finding the music shop, you both walked in, heading to a certain section.

"So remind me," He paused to look at a sleek grey bass, flipping it over a couple of times. "Why don't you ever get with Josh? I mean he obviously likes you." You scoffed a little bit at his statement. "I thought we were here for you Sam, not to talk about me." You picked up a dark wood bass, showing it to Sam. "I mean with that same logic why don't I ever get with you? I mean we're close, right?" He rolled his eyes, still playing with the instrument you showed him.

"I think I like this one." Sam brought it up to the counter, talking to the girl up front. Who seemed to really enjoy the conversation they were having. Turning on your heel, you waited by the door playing with some random drum sticks. Sam eventually walked over and led you out. "It'll be delivered in a couple of weeks. I bought a whole new one." You pursed your lips smiling at Sam. "Did you also manage to snag that poor girl's number?"

Sam pushed you upside the head as you walked into the record store. You both parted ways looking at different sections. You flipped through vintage albums, picking out random ones you thought everyone would enjoy. After looking through some more, Sam found you and walked to the front to pay. "You found quite a lot there," Sam said, peeking through the ones in your hand.

"Yeah, figured I could add a bit to my very depressing collection." you chuckled, looking at one of the sleek covers. "Don't you have like two?" you glared back at Sam. "Which I believe are both of your band's albums." Sam laughed. You both paid, bags in hand.

"So what now?" you asked Sam as you both mindlessly walked around. "Probably go home. Want me to take you back?" You nodded in agreement and headed back to his car.

After saying goodbye to Sam, you walked back up the stairs to your apartment. When you opened the door, Josh appeared from your room, causing you to nearly break the table in the hallway.

"What the hell Josh!" He shrugged his shoulders, making his way to the couch. "What are you doing here?"

"I was waiting until you got back from hanging out with my brother. What were you two doing anyway?" Pouring a glass of water from the sink, you took a sip, and made your way to the couch next to Josh. You leaned your head back on the cushion, staring at the ceiling. "Sam bought a pretty hefty bass, and bought more records." You looked over at Josh. "What about you?"

"Well you know," he sighed. "Tried to work on writing up some new lyrics. Even went over to Danny's and Jake's to work some stuff out. It's coming along nicely." Setting the cup down on the coffee table, you looped an arm around Josh's, leaning your head on his shoulder. "Good. It'll come out beautifully in the end," you said patting his hand. You sniffed, sitting up in your seat. "Are you staying for dinner?" Josh hummed looking up at you. "Oh yeah. I was actually wondering if I could stay for the night; get's kind of lonely at my place." You nodded.

"Yeah, that's fine." You walked over to the kitchen. "Anything in mind you want to eat?" you asked. "Uh, how about that chicken. The one you make with the rice, mushrooms, and asparagus." You started to pull out the pots and pans, placing them on the stove. You leaned back on the counter watching everything cook. To be quite frank, you didn't know how you would handle Josh staying over. Of course, you and Josh were rather close, it even shocked people that you knew each other so well. After all, he knew you better than your own blood.

Maybe it wasn't such a bad thing. On one hand, it would give you time to think some things over and ponder the questions Sam had asked you earlier today. And then you could for sure decide what you wanted to do. You grabbed some plates and moved the food over to the table. Josh was already seated, patiently awaiting your arrival.

"Looks good, as always." he complimented, raising his hands towards you. "Thanks, Josh." you smiled.

"So," he said, chewing his food. "What happened at the music store?" Rolling your eyes at the thought of Sam annoying you, you told him about how he was flirting with the girl at the front desk. "I mean just giggling, and laughing, it was like watching teenagers make out." You made a small coughing noise thinking about Sam flirting with that poor girl. "But, you know, as they say, there's someone for everyone," you said sarcastically, shaking your head. Josh let out a high-pitched laugh at Sam. "That's Sam for you. He bore you with anything else?"

You thought about all the moments were Sam had bullied you over liking Josh or falling in love with Josh. Of course, you loved Josh but you weren't sure whether you were 'in love' with him per se. He was practically your other half. Nobody else could compare to that. But it was hard to decipher whether you even liked him like that. "You know. The usual; stuff about when you all were younger and more embarrassing moments."

Josh covered his face with his hands, groaning. "I hope it wasn't all too bad." He shook his head, eating the last bits of food. "Not at all, actually." As you both finished your plates, you sat in comfortable silence. That was until Josh spoke out about something.

"Hey remember that time- ugh geez, when was it," he asked, pressing on his face. "Probably around the time I first met you, and I pretty much knew then you hated my fucking guts, man" You let out a breath at the thought of Josh thinking you hated him. "But that was also the time I kept catching you listening to the album at the time. Just over and over and over again." Josh just shook his head thinking of you. "I didn't- hate you," you confessed. "I just really didn't know how to be around people so much. I did like that album though." you laughed, pointing at Josh. Who also laughed along with you. "Look, I'm sorry I made you feel that way; I just, I've never really had close friends like you." Before he could say anything back, you picked up the plates, placing them in the sink.

From inside the kitchen, you could hear him talking to his brothers on the phone. The usual screaming, laughing, and anger from whatever stupid joke someone told. It honestly made you wish you were closer to your own sister. Whom you haven't spoken to in the past ten years. After you finished off with the dishes, you walked to your bedroom. Which was hard to admit, but you had an entire wall full of Greta Van Fleet photos from when you first started working with them because you had a hard time telling who was who.

"Oh, I remember these photos!" Josh exclaimed as walked into your room. He marveled at all the photos you had printed out and plastered on the wall. Some even had labels of all the boy's names. "Yeah, a little creepy, don't you think?"

Josh shrugged. "I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you didn't know who we were, and I know some people have a hard time differentiating between us twins." You turned around and opened up the bag full of record vinyl, handing some to Josh. "Here, I bought some for you earlier, and I figured I could use some- given the only two I have are from your band." He giggled, flipping through the different albums. "Oh, Bob Dylan! What a legend and old Michael Jackson! Very good stuff." You patted his shoulder as you put away all the other albums on a shelf.

"So, the spare bedroom should be good-" Josh cut you off. "I was hoping to sleep with you, actually. Unless that makes you too uncomfortable." You nearly choked on your own spit when Josh asked you that. You really didn't think he'd be that lonely. "Um, no that's fine. I'm sure I have someone's clothes here you can use." He grinned.

"Thanks." You handed him some spare clothes and left him to change in the bathroom. When you returned he was already tucked in, facing the wall with the pictures. Turning off the light, you quietly slid in next to him. You'd never really been in this much of an intimate situation, no less next to Josh. It wasn't awkward, but it was just hard to decipher the feelings of the both of you, and where he was going with his suggestion. "Can I ask you something?" Josh whispered. He turned around to face you closer.

"What was your initial thought when you first met me?" You laughed a little to yourself. "When I first met you I wanted to be exactly like you." Josh propped himself up on his elbow, leaning even closer to you.

"What about me?" he asked. "I don't know. You were always so confident, and the way you carried yourself; just, it made me so mad and angry that I couldn't be like that. Maybe that's why it came off that I hated you a little bit." Josh laid back down.

"Listen, you'll always be the best thing that happened to me. When I first met you, I thought you had the most brilliant mind out of everyone I ever met. Except for Danny. He's got an excellent brain." You smacked his arm laughing out loud.

"Thank you, Josh." You rolled over onto your side, hoping to fall asleep soon. Before you did though, you felt Josh slip an arm around your side; his face falling into the back of your neck. Soon, both of you fell asleep together.

When morning came the next day, Josh was still entangled in your back, but this time his arm was hugging you tighter. At any slight movement, he just pulled you closer. Finally giving up from moving away from Josh, you laid there silently in his arms. You silently traced the creases in his hand, thinking absentmindedly. He stirred a tiny bit but never woke. You took this time to turn around and look at him. His arm still wrapped around tightly on your shoulder; causing you to bury your face into his chest.

Inhaling his warm scent, you just about closed your eyes imagining a world where you were in love with him, and he loved you back. At this moment, he started to finally wake up. You decided to keep your eyes closed, too embarrassed to see what his reaction would be to find you both like this. You could feel Josh's eyes looking around the room before they made their way down to you. Feeling the certainty of him staring down at you made you panic a little. But then you could feel his hand start to part through your hair, moving it out of your face. His movement followed by leaning forward, giving you a long slow kiss on the forehead.

Then there was the fine sensation of his lips lingering on your skin. He started whispering your name, shaking you awake. You slowly blinked your eyes to make it look like you hadn't really been awake all this time. He smiled brightly when you both made eye contact. "Good morning," he said softly. You smiled, placing a hand on his chest. "Good morning Josh."

Letting out a little yawn, you turned over and sat up on the side of the bed. You sipped on some water that had been on you bedside for a while, then stretched out. "What do you plan on doing today?" you asked groggily. "Everyone wanted to meet up today and go over some stuff. Wanna join?" you quickly nodded your head.

"Great. Well then, I'll go take a shower and get ready." He walked away silently, leaving you all alone once more. Deciding against the better of things, you too got up to shower. While waiting for the water to heat up, you traced against the spots where Josh's hand had been.

It's like there was a space left on you, but you could only feel the invisible touch leftover from him. Jumping in the shower felt like you were committing a terrible sin. The handprint of Josh washed away as every drop of water hit your body. But it felt just as warm and comforting as him. After quickly getting dressed, you met Josh at the front door who was holding it open for you. The crisp autumn air surprised you in the face when you walked outside. The sidewalks weren't too busy but crowded to perfection

You both got in the car and drove to the studio. Everyone was already there by the time you two made it; For some reason, Josh had wanted to stop to get everyone coffee and a bagel, which you really couldn't say no to. Sam raised his eyebrows at you when you walked in with Josh pretty late. You hit him on the arm lightly. Sam rubbed the part of his arm, cursing you off. Everyone, including you, walked into a backroom set with all the instruments anyone could think of, and two very well-loved on couches.

The lights in the room were set to a dim, vintage-style brown, illuminating everyone's tan features. Josh handed the food out, starting the conversation. It varied from topic to topic.

"How is everyone?"

"Are there new ideas anyone wants to talk about?"

"How about we do this instead of that."

Josh snapped his fingers in front of your face, waving his hand around. "Hey silly, I asked you a question." you looked up quickly, meeting everyone's gaze. "Huh?"

"I said do you have any ideas on what we should wear?" You pulled out a small sketchbook from your jacket pocket showing Josh, and the rest of the band on the different aesthetics for clothing. "I was thinking about stitching some nudity art on the back for Josh. I'll probably go shopping for some silk and thread. I found this really cool jacket piece for Jake; I'll add some things on it, and a shiny blazer for Sam. As for Danny, I found these really nice pants, but I have to tailor them. I'm still trying to find a smooth shirt to go with."

You wrote down some reminder notes giving the rest some time to process anything and get started. Josh sat next to you on one of the couches, pulling out his note journal. He pointed out some of the lyrics, whispering to himself before showing it to you. "I came up with these this morning." your cheeks turned red, though you doubt Josh could see given how dark it was. You read through the lines in each glorious manner. They each had a delicate touch to them, written with something personal

It reminded you of something ethereal. Like being in outer space, and getting to look at all the planets from afar. "What are you thinking?" Josh asked. You let out a short breath before answering. "I think it's good. Really good in fact. I can feel it's personal to you, you know."

Before he could respond, there was a line of curses causing you both to look up. Jake was yelling at himself and the guitar in his hands with a tiny string poking out from the neck of the guitar.

"This fucking piece of shit keeps breaking," he he groaned, with gritted teeth. Rolling your eyes, you went to the other grabbing some new guitar strings. Handing them back Jake, he mumbled out a thank you. "Guess what, it's not that hard to get up and get new strings, Jake. I just did it by myself." Everyone laughed at your taunting to Jake, getting rid of his frustrated mood.

"Well, you're the best." He poked your shoulder. You headed back to another room to think about some more things. Possibly about Josh; but the majority for the band. Really working with them, never gave you time to put yourself out there. Which wasn't a terrible thing. In fact, you preferred not to out. You've always had a one-track mind. Focused too much on one thing, forgetting completely about anything else. It's probably why you'd failed out of most schools during your high school and college career. It always ended up being too much for your brain to handle.

Maybe that's what you feared most. Things always getting in the way; either making you angry, or angry enough to run away and never look back. You didn't want that with Josh. Nor did you want that for this band. You made some more scratch notes, listening to the muffled sound of music. After a while, you doodled in your notebook for some clothing ideas. Stitching had been one of the many skills that stuck with you since when. You never really knew where you learned to do such a thing.

Josh always told you how marvelous your work was. That it belonged in a museum of some sort. He knew somehow that you'd do great things with art. When sketching became boring, you shopped around online for some fabric, and thread, ordering what you needed. When finished some smaller portions of work, you fell back on the couch pushing your hair out of your face. Josh walked in at the right time, pulling you back into the studio.

"We hashed some things out, figured what don't and do want for some of the songs. Think we'll be ready to record in a few weeks." All the boys cheered each other on, pushing each other around. "I think this calls for a celebration over some drinks."

"Great idea. There's a bar a couple of blocks from here. What do you say?" Everyone hummed in agreement, piling out the door. Josh had a hand on your back as he walked you out through all the doors.

When you walked inside there were a few people seated around. It wasn't overbearing crazy. Everyone took a seat at the bar ordering drinks. You had already taken a couple of tequila shots to loosen up for the night. "So tell me," Josh slouched down in his seat. "What do you think the future holds for this band." You giggled, already a little drunk.

"What I think doesn't matter Josh. I think that you'll be successful in whatever you choose to do. I think it's you as the leader to help everyone along. In my opinion, they're here to support you and your ideas. I mean, of course, they have their own input but you get what I'm saying." Josh nodded along, sipping his drink. "That's quite a mouthful, but yeah. I'd do anything for these people. For Christ's sake, three of them are my brothers. And Danny I've known for like ever." He pointed to them, which they were all fighting about something.

Josh shook his head, looking down at the floor. He placed a hand on your shoulder as he left for another drink. Sam soon replaced Josh, slouching in the same position. "What were you two talking about." He waved a finger around your face. To which, you quickly swatted away. "He loves you, Sam. We love you. I love you, Sam."

Sam pursed his lips, squinting his eyes. "You're that drunk already?" You hummed looking at your watch seeing as only twenty minutes had passed. "Well Sam, the night's still young, so I'm willing to get fucking wasted if you are." He quickly nodded his head, ordering the two of you more drinks. As the night went on, all of you managed to play twelve rounds of pool (none of which you won), a game of cards, and meet totally random people. You, including the boys, were completely wasted and it wasn't even one in the morning. Danny and Jake had left to go god knows where, leaving you, Sam, and Josh talking to some random girl at a table. Looking over at Josh, you felt your heart hurt a little.

Sometimes you wish you had the assertiveness that Josh had to talk to him. Deep down you knew he would never reject you. He would randomly bring up why you never got together, but you always dismissed the conversation too scared of what might happen. Sam slipped next to you, turning his chair around to face you. He followed your line of sight, his eyes landing on Josh laughing with the same girl who's been here for hours.

"Look, if it pisses you off that much, talk to him later. It's not like he's gonna hate you for the rest of his life. He practically loves you to death." You shook your head, taking another drink of your beer. "I'm just- I'm not mad- I'll just never be able to be that person who can just randomly walk up to a person and fall 'in love' with them." You cried. Every time you think about it, you just want to go to bed and hide. "But how come I never end up with people like you or Jake or even sweet people like Danny. Why does it have to be Josh?"

Sam sat up in his chair, turning it back around to face the bar. "Why don't you try it. Maybe you fighting inside that big head of yours really doesn't like Josh after all." Sam said as he cradled your face, shaking it around. "Really?" Sam shrugged. "What's the worse that can happen? If something happens, so be it. Never hurts to try anything."

Sam bent down quickly, kissing you softly. His lips felt smooth against yours like running a hand over pliable silk. He swiftly ran a hand through your hair, pulling your face closer to his. Finally, he pulled away, smiling down at you.

"Nope." you shook your head. "Well hey, at least we know." He patted your shoulder, walking away towards a game of cards being played.

The next day you woke up with an intense headache. There was some leftover water and Ibuprofen on your nightstand. You didn't know how you made it back home or really remember anything at all from the night before.

You downed the pill and some water, making your way slowly to the bathroom, balancing yourself on a wall. You turned on the shower letting the hot water settle the uneasiness in your stomach. The pounding inside your head kept going on for what felt like hours. It didn't help either that you were trying so hard to remember the night before. Of course, you knew that you drank more than you could handle. Then there was Sam. But it all stopped there.

The shower helped a little bit. You danced around to find some clothes to get ready, or at least look decent. After getting ready, you drove back to Sam's. When he opened the door, you noticed Jake and Danny were there already. Except for no Josh. Not that it was out of the ordinary, it was just something you expected.

You made your way through his kitchen, pulling out a cigarette. "I don't think you really wanna be smoking that right now." You glared at him before putting the smoke out. "Um, do you remember what happened last night?" You asked, rubbing the small spot on your head in hopes to get rid of the pain. Sam bit into a piece of food, answering with his mouth full. "We kissed. Yeah," he nodded in assurance. "Yeah, we kissed." You let your head fall into your hands, groaning.

"How'd I get home?" Sam hummed, pointing his piece of food at you. "Josh. Although, he seemed pretty pissed at me. You were also super drunk." Right, you thought. Of course, this would happen to you. Partially you blamed yourself for being so stuck-up and bitchy most of the time, but part of you wishes Sam just pushed you away. Why were you so indecisive all the damn time? For once, it would be nice if you could make a whole-hearted decision without going out and fucking everything up.

You scratched around your eye, watching Sam as he went to go sit next to Jake.

4 weeks later. . .

It really had been almost a whole month that you had gone without talking to Josh. Some nights you wish you could pick up your phone and just text him, but you know it would go unnoticed. It hurt just a little bit. Every day you blamed yourself for screwing things up. When was it not your fault that something went wrong?

You sat bored at home. You tried to catch up on different things like laundry, cleaning, reorganizing literally everything, but nothing seemed to work. You muffled curses under your breath at nothing. That was until you got a text from Jake saying that everyone needed your 'strong womanly brain' to work with. Over the four-week period, you hadn't really talked with the other band members except for Danny (who seriously cares for anybody and everything), and Sam who just random stuff.

You flipped through a random magazine, flipping through the pages reading about the different styles and how to flaunt them. That was until a text from Sam disturbed you saying that everyone needed you at the studio ASAP.

You ran to your door faster than ever, quickly putting on your coat and shoes. When you arrived, no one was seen at first, so you went to the back and everyone was gathered around in a large, huddled circle. Jake was the first to greet you, Sam following close behind.

"Hey! I haven't seen you in a long time." Jake towered over you, pulling you into his side. "Yeah, my mom called. Wanted me to go see her." you lied, looking at Sam, who had just turned in the other direction. "Well, I hope she's doing good. Look, I wanted to see your opinion on some things. Just general stuff, okay?" you nodded. He led you back to a table and passed some papers around, and a little CD that had pre-recorded music. Before any of you could speak though, a door creaked loudly, and out came Josh with a petite girl beside him. His smile immediately disappeared when his eyes landed on you.

The girl looked. . . nice. In other words, she looked like a pleasant enough girl Josh would pick from a crowd. She had a tan, rich skin like his. With wavy, brown hair. Unlike Josh, she had more hazel-green eyes. Everyone stood there awkwardly, looking around at each other. You scratched the top of your head, eyes facing down towards the table. Jake cleared his throat before grabbing a seat for Josh, and the girl.

And of course, to make more room they were both seated in between you and Jake, making her sit right next to you. You smiled nervously towards her as she got herself situated. For a while, you stared at the velvet walls as Jake led on the conversation. You felt a little poke on your arm and noticed she was trying to talk to you.

"Hi, I'm Logan," she whispered. The one thing you noticed about Logan was her smile. It reminded you of Josh. His naturally bright teeth could make anyone instantly happier. "Y/N," you said curtly. You weren't the one to start a conversation, but luckily she made it easy.

"So, how do you know Josh?" she asked, pointing to him. You played around with your nails, turning to look at her. "Uh, I work for him," Not 'I'm his best friend or anything. Totally just ruined the relationship I had by kissing his younger brother because I'm really in love with the man your dating' "And them too, of course." you gave a hesitant laugh, pointing to the rest of them. She bit her lip, turning to listen to the conversation, and then back to you.

"How long have you known all of them, or like worked for them I guess?"

"Around three years. This will be my fourth I think." she nodded with your answer. Finally, she turned back around to listen to what Josh was saying.

You looked back down at the disc, swirling it around on the table. This is hard, you thought. It's all you can think about. Logan's so kind towards you; not the weirdly hostile type. She's not annoying, not inconclusive about anything. Logan's perfect in her own way. She's perfect to Josh. Something you've always wanted, but you, yourself stopped you from having.

"So, uh Y/N, can you take a listen to the CD?" Jake asked you. "Yeah. It'll just be a little later though. I have to finish some other stuff." There was silence as everyone stared at you. Including Josh, who seemed to have a permanent look on you.

"I can listen; if you're busy," Logan speaking up caught you by surprise. It may have angered you a bit because that was your job, to listen. You just looked back at Sam anxiously, who shook his head at you.

"Oh, my bad," Josh said loudly. "This is my girlfriend- Logan. Who you have all met before, but not Y/N. Forgot to introduce you two." If everyone hadn't been in the room right now, you would've gotten up and hit him right across the head. Logan kindly smiled back at you. "Yeah, we were talking earlier," She said pointing to you. "Well, as I said, I can listen if you can't."

If it was anybody else, you would've said something back already. But who were you to yell at this kind, beautiful woman next to you? Though, Sam must've read you wrong since quietly grabbed your wrist. "Sure," you said, handing the CD to Logan. Sitting back in your chair, defeated, what else were you supposed to do?

Another lousy week passed, and you wanted to jump off a roof. It had been raining for the past few days, never letting up once. No one had really made contact with you except Danny (you secretly loved him to death), and Sam. You were pretty sure the rest had picked up on the tense atmosphere and didn't want to bother you. No doubt, you probably wouldn't want to speak with yourself either.

You shrugged off a sweater, playing with the end of your sheets. Life was so boring now without any entertainment from anyone. You eventually rolled over on your back, staring a hole into the ceiling. You went over every excuse and explanation you could give to Josh. You understood why he was mad, you figured that much. But sometimes you wish he had his smart wisdom back to understand you better.

You fell to the floor sometime later, reading something random off the shelf. You flipped through the pages mindlessly before you heard some knocking at your door. You ran quickly, opening the door to find Sam standing there with bottles of gin and tequila in his hand. Laughing quietly, you led him inside, finding some bottles for drinks.

"What brings you around?" you raised your eyebrows, pouring some tequila for you and Sam. "Josh," he cleared his throat, taking a few sips. "What about Josh?" Trying to hold your breath, made you curious as to why Josh's younger brother was so angry at him. In fact, you wanted to burst out laughing. "He's so stubborn with everything, and the way he talks about you. God- it's like- I've never seen so much hatred from him." Sam shook his head downing the rest of his drink. He poured some more in his cup and your cup.

You took Sam's hand leading him to your room. You put on Labi Siffre, an old, classic album. You also turned on one of your dim colored lights. They lit up Sam's cheekbones perfectly, making his pale skin glow flawlessly. It looked smooth enough to run a finger over and feel the gentle, velvety skin of Sam.

"How does he talk about me?" Sam closed his eyes, thinking. "He just doesn't let go of the subject. Anytime you or I come up, it's just this rage of fury from him. He almost shuts down essentially. You know," he burped. "They all went out tonight."

You hummed at that. "They all went out, leaving behind you and me." You scoffed at the thought of Josh with Logan at your favorite bar or restaurant. "I'm so sorry Sam." You rubbed his arm, looking down at the floor next to your bed. "That was you and your brother's relationship, and I just," you flicked your hands, making a whoosh sound. Sam laughed, leaning into your side. "Don't worry about it. I like helping you out. Josh can be a little much sometimes."

You elbowed him in the side thinking about something. "Hey whatever happened to the girl from the music shop? You ever talk to her lately?"

"Yeah," he huffed out. "We've been talking lately. She wants to meet up sometime soon, but I don't know." You cocked your head to the side. "Why not. You clearly like her and she really likes you. I don't remember when the last time some actually liked you." Sam pretended he was hurt, pushing you to the side. "I'll ask her sometime when I'm not busy. She's nice."

"And pretty?" you questioned. Sam let out a laugh, swirling the alcohol in his cup. "Very pretty." You both let out sighs sitting in comfortable silence. Although, your mind was occupied with thoughts of Josh, swirling around and never-ending. There were times you just wanted to get up and say fuck it and try to at least explain. But of course, the rejection of him never wanting to be your friend again would kill you. Maybe this was the universe's cruel way of saying you and Josh were never meant to be together in the first place.

If so, you hated it.

Surprisingly, Sam was the first to wake up. Which rarely happens considering how well you knew him. The poor boy slept through everything. He started shaking you awake, poking and tickling your sides. "Are you dead, jeez?" You quickly rubbed your eyes, sitting up. "Sorry, the alcohol must've really knocked me out." Sam stifled a yawn, sitting on the edge of your bed. "Well, we can do one of two things today," he noted. "We can either go to the studio and face my brother, or we can- do nothing else. That's really it. I kind of swore I would be there today."

You couldn't stay inside any longer. You decided against the greater good to tag along with Sam. Maybe you could talk with Josh, and clear the air. "Can I go with you?" Sam nodded feverishly. "Of course; that's like your job."

"It doesn't feel like it. Logan's pretty much taking over, so what's the point of me." You scoffed thinking of the mellow girl who seemed to get along with everyone. You hated to slander her, but you just wanted Josh back. You and Sam left in a rush, hastily driving to the studio. You walked inside with a cigarette dangling from your lips, smoke escaping through your nose. Sweat seeped from your palms making you excited and nervous at the same time. You felt like an outsider coming in on your job. Thinking about seeing Josh made it worse.

"Hello, Hello Y/N" Danny strutted over, hairs sticking to his forehead. He pulled you in for a tight hug, nearly suffocating you. "Hey, Daniel." you moved the hairs around his face so you could see him better. "Long time, no see, man." He laughed walking back to his seat behind the drum kit. You followed Sam to the other rooms where Jake and Josh might be hiding. Sure enough, Josh was standing next to his twin, listening to a riff he was playing. They immediately stopped talking to each other. Josh scoffed at you as Sam led you inside, beside him.

"Look what the cat dragged in!" Josh said it lowly, spitting it towards you. Your eyes looked down, not daring to ever lookup. "Hey Josh," Sam patted him on the shoulder. You looked awkwardly around the room looking for a means to escape. When you realized there wasn't one, you looked back at Josh. He quietly talked to Jake about something before turning to you. You tried to look away fast enough, but his eyes caught yours. Josh started to stalk close to you, exhaling a breath. "Hey," you thought he might've not heard you, but his response caught you off guard.

"Hey, Y/N" He sniffled a little bit before turning towards you. "Care to take a walk with me? Could use some fresh air." You nodded your head silently, following after him. If your anxiety hadn't kicked in yet, it sure as hell did now. Josh was never a person to scare you. He was too light and giddy for him to be somewhat freighting.

He walked slightly behind you with a hand on the small of your back. Josh eventually let go of you when you both made it to the sidewalk. The people around you made the silence slightly more comfortable but you wished you had something to think about other than Josh. After a few more moments of silence, you decided to speak up, but Josh beat you to it. "I'm sorry for being an ass," he cleared it all out on one breath. You scoffed at him. "I think you were being more than an ass, Josh." He suddenly slowed his walking to match your pace.

"You pretty much left me in the wind. I thought I lost my best friend," you nudged him softly in the ribcage, laughing. He held a hand over his chest, heaving out a relieved breath. "I thought you were going to hate me forever." You pointed at him before saying: "Pull anything like that again, and I'll do more than just hate you forever."

Josh held his hands up abruptly like you had caught him stealing something. "I promise." You smirked. The both of you walked around endlessly making small talk here and there. Part of you was glad that you and Josh had cleared the air. Although, you hadn't really talked with him about Sam. It embarrassed you just thinking about the whole situation.

After you made a full round of the streets, Josh walked you back inside the studio. It was hours before anyone ever got to go home. The moon had fully risen and was shining brightly in the sky. You stared up like a child, holding on tightly to your coat. When you were making your way towards Sam's car Josh had grabbed you by the elbow.

"Y/N," Josh fiddled around with the collar of his jacket, looking down at the concrete. Even though it was pitch black outside, you could tell Josh's face was heating up. "I was wondering if you wanted to come back with me? I know Sam was taking you home, but I still feel like we need to talk." A small smile started to quickly form. You nodded not thinking about the harm that could come from staying with Josh.

"Yeah, sure." you let a hesitant sigh before following him once more. When you arrived inside Josh's home it felt almost foreign. There were slightly disheveled things around, but nothing had really changed. It still had all the same scattered records on the coffee table as well as random books set around the countertops. Josh flipped on the light switch and went towards the kitchen. He came back out and handed you a cup of water before taking off his coat.

"I know, it's been a long time since we spoke," he started. "or even hung out together."

You nodded, sipping some of the water. "Yeah, I kind of missed that."

After you and Josh got situated, he led you back to his room. There was a dim lamp, along with some new fairy lights scattered around the ceiling. "Fairy lights?" You pointed to the little bulbs sparkling brightly. "Oh, yeah," Josh was picking out a record, finally placing it on the player. It was an album you hadn't heard before, but it seemed to fit the mood well enough. Looking around for a little bit longer you come to find some old pictures on the floor. Squatting down, you noticed they were photos of his brothers and Daniel when they were younger. But what really caught your attention was a stack neatly dedicated to you.

Some of the photos had showcased some of you and Josh's late adventures, and the concerts you had appeared to. One in particular in which Josh had his arms wrapped around your middle, seated around a bonfire. That was a night you remember very clearly. That was when you realized how much you loved Josh. He never left your side and coddled you close to him. The memory warmed your heart making it beat a tiny bit faster.

"That was a very hot summer night if I remember correctly." Josh peered over your shoulder, studying the picture. "Yeah, it was. Then I passed out inside the van right after that," you laughed loudly, tossing your head back. Running a finger over your face in the picture still reminiscing on the sweet memory, you could feel Josh watching you from across the room.

"Can you come up here for a sec?" Josh patted his mattress, motioning to you. You could tell he was nervous still when he started to fumble around with his nails, not making much eye contact. "Do you remember when I asked you why you envied me so much?" He let out a slow breath, nudging you a little bit with his elbow. You realized the change in the situation and started to mirror his nervous tics.

"Yeah, I just- wish I could carry myself like you. You're always the most confident person in the room; you know things Josh that no one could ever know." The two of you sat in silence for a little bit after you answered. Josh hesitated before speaking again but continued on after pondering for a bit. "Well, I never felt that way around you. For the longest time, I would beat myself up just thinking about how wonderful you are Y/N. The way you think of me is how I always thought of you. Just not as confident because of how quiet you are sometimes." He laughed out the last part making you smile back.

"God, sometimes I just want to cry because of how amazing you are Y/N. Everything you've done for this band, everything you've done for me; I just - I love you." You slowly turned your head to look at Josh, replaying the words over and over again in your head.

He loves you.

"I'm going to assume you mean in it in that way Josh or this would be very embarrassing." Josh snickered, putting both hands on the side of your face. "I mean it in every way possible." He finally pressed his lips to yours, feeling the velvet touch of each other. Josh ran his fingers through your hair, pressing his tongue in an open-mouthed kiss. You moaned quietly when he started to press kisses along your jaw, down to your neck. You could feel his hands start to travel down to your waist, hugging you tightly as it showed in the picture.

Josh continued to bite down on your skin and sucked, leaving bright red marks behind. His fingers squeezed down on your hips before traveling under your shirt. He placed a knee between your legs, pushing you further into the mattress. You looked at each other momentarily as Josh slipped you out of your shirt. He ran his hands over your stomach making you flinch at the sudden touch.

"Josh," His name came out as a whine as Josh slipped off your bra, throwing it towards the floor. You caught the look of awe when his eyes landed on your breasts, your chest heaving slightly. He returned to kissing down your neck making his way down your collar bone. Your hands made their way to his hair, tugging at it when his mouth made contact with your nipple.

He sucked gently, swirling his tongue around the hardened bud. All you could think about was the euphoric thoughts running through your brain. All you could see were stars, showing up in random directions making you lost in the feeling. Josh continued for a while before slowly traveling down to your legs.

Josh looked at you for approval, to which you vaguely nodded in return, before pulling off your pants. You shuddered at the delicate touch of his fingers ghosting along your skin. His hands traveled back up your calves, pressing at your thighs. The room suddenly became too hot as his fingers wrapped around the strap of your underwear, pulling them down your legs. Your breathing was so ragged by now that you thought Josh might've pointed it out already, but he continued to stare down at you with the most mesmerizing look in his eyes. You knew at this point if this had been anyone else, you probably would've wanted to hide under the bed. Something so comforting about Josh made it feel natural to in his grasps.

Josh started down at your ankles, pressing hard kisses up your legs. He hovered over your pelvis just before kissing around your clit. Your legs immediately started to close at the feeling, but his hand pushed them back farther. "Josh, oh my god!" You moaned out into nothing. He continued sucking hard on your clit making the stars in your head come closer to earth.

"Josh, please," Your hands pulled at his curls as he lapped around your center. "You're so fucking wet for me Y/N. Jesus," He moaned into your heat making you squirm on the bed.

"Please Josh, use your fingers, please." You whined mercilessly at the thought of coming around his fingers. It wasn't long before you felt two fingers drag inside of you, along with the feeling of him sucking your clit. You could feel yourself getting nearer to your orgasm as he curled his fingers against your g-spot. "Josh, don't fucking stop!"

At the perfect moment, everything seemed to fall apart in the most beautiful way. You leaned your head back into the pillow as your vision turned white with little black dots appearing randomly. Josh's breath fanned over your heat before he stood up to take off some of his clothes.

"Can't really have sex if I'm still dressed like I'm going to fucking prom or something, Jesus." You giggled loudly while you watched him crawl back over you. Josh pressed a soft kiss to your lips, grinding his hips against you. Your hand slowly ran over his chest, grabbing onto his belt. You fumbled around until you managed to get it undone along with his pants. Josh stared at your face, admiring your features. "I don't think I'll be able to take you seriously for much longer if you don't do something," you whispered.

"Oh yeah?" Josh raised an eyebrow, smiling at you. You slowly reached past his briefs making contact with his hard-on, causing him to moan quietly and start kissing you again.

"Uh, I don't think I have any condoms on me; I didn't really envision fucking you tonight." You smirked, wrapping your arms around his neck. "It's okay. I'm on the pill." You pulled his underwear down, hiking your legs around his hips loosely. You could feel yourself getting wetter as he passively rolled his forefinger over your clit. You kissed him hard, sucking on his tongue. "Fuck me, please," you begged. Josh looked deeply into your eyes, then grabbing your legs and wrapping them around his hips, tightly. He teased you, rubbing himself up and down your center.

You exhaled as he entered you, wrapping a hand around his bicep to steady yourself. Josh's head fell into your neck, feeling his warm breath as he trusted in slowly. He lifted his head to kiss you; He used his hand to move the hairs out of your face, wrapping it around your cranium. "You are so- prepossessing." He whispered, his thrust becoming faster.

Your nails dug into his shoulder blades after he set such a brutal pace that you didn't think you'd be able to keep up with. You took note of how his curls stuck to his forehead. Whenever he thrust in, you could feel yourself getting closer and closer. His thrust started to shake the bed only spurring you on more. Your hands grabbed at his torso, holding onto him tightly.

"Josh," you breathed out, words lost as they left your mouth. "Don't stop." Josh looked between your bodies as they pressed together. He thrust in deep, pressing you into the bed further. You cursed under your breath, trying to hold back the moans only releasing small high-pitched whines. Your head fell back against the pillow, all the tension releasing your body slowly. "Fuck," Josh moaned into your collarbone. He tightened his grip on your thigh, quickening his thrusts.

You ran your fingers along the nape of his neck, feeling the little hairs stick to his body. Josh moaned, feeling him cum deep inside you. His head fell into your neck as you both tried to catch your breath. Josh smiled, pressing kisses to your chest before laying down next to you.

"Fuck you're amazing," Josh mumbled into your ear. He wrapped an arm around your shoulder pulling your head to his chest. His hands ran down your arm, squeezing the tiny bit of flesh. "Tell me something I don't already know Joshua." You flipped over onto your side, Josh following in pursuit. He tightened his arm once more around your stomach this time. He pressed small kisses along your shoulder, laying his face into your hair.

"I love you," He mumbled.

"I love you too." You placed your hand over his, peace finding you easy tonight.

When you woke up the next morning, Josh still had you in his arms, snoring softly. Like you, he liked to get up when it was still dark out, but given last night you couldn't blame either of yourselves for wanting to sleep in. Josh woke up sometime after, pressing small kisses into the nape of your neck down to your shoulder blades.

"Good morning," he said quietly, wrapping his legs around yours, pulling his body closer to yours.

"Morning Josh." You closed your eyes allowing the quiet of the room to comfort you. It seemed pretty peaceful outside, from what you could hear at least. But your mind was running a thousand miles a minute. How did a three-year friendship change so drastically? If someone told you that three years later you'd be sleeping with Josh, you probably start cursing them out at the bare minimum. Josh infuriated you at the beginning, but what changed that you couldn't get enough? Maybe it was his style? Everyone loves Josh's style. He doesn't really care what goes together, as long as it fits him and his outrageous personality. Speaking of which, Josh's personality was unspoken of. People turned heads when he walked through doors because he was always the life of the party. Normal people just naturally gravitate towards him. Heck, you couldn't even keep up the 'holding a grudge' façade for too long because Josh helped you. Maybe you thanked him for that instead.

"I think we need to get up," you said, patting his hand. He protested that you two keep sleeping longer because it's too early. "Josh it's like," you squinted your eyes towards the clock. "Nine am." You yelled, pushing his arm of you.

You ran into the bathroom to pee before jumping in the shower. After taking some time cleaning yourself and changing into something more comfortable (which ended up being one of Josh's old college sweatshirts because he insisted you looked really good in them) you both left to the studio. Of course, the first one to greet you was your favorite out of the four, Daniel. After he finished talking with Josh, he led the both of you to a back room. It was a large decorated room that you hadn't really been in much. The walls were in stripes of inverted red along with carpet having a velvet touch to it. Plaques labeled the wall with other types of scandalous music art.

Jake and Sam walked in together already arguing about something. "Lookey here," Jake pulled you into a side hug, and Sam passed you a drink. "I thought my smoking habits were bad, but drinking at ten in the morning?" you tutted Sam away from you, taking a seat at a large table. "It helps me think more clearly."

Josh took a seat next to you, placing a hand on your thigh. "Hey, you never showed me the finish drawing for your clothing ideas." You raised your eyebrows and said: "I wonder why." You cocked your head to the side, and Josh frowned at you. Snickering to yourself, you handed him a sketchbook. "These are- really good, Y/N. I forgot you could draw so well." You doodled around the paper of a sketched-out Josh in what would be fashion attire for next year. "One of my many hobbies."

He patted your leg before turning his attention to his twin. Sam waltzed over to your side, a cigarette hanging from his lips. "Is that my brother's sweatshirt?" You glared at him before answering a subtle yes. Sam gasped in a fake manner, holding a hand across his heart.

"Are you two in love with each other finally?" Sam laughed at you giving him a side-eye. "Good. you make Josh happy." Content with that, he left to go sit next to Danny. You played around with the drawing some more, later on, moving to a computer to work there. Everyone left you alone to go play in another room which seems to help numb the background noise. Though, it didn't last long until Josh walked through the door. He strutted over to you, rubbing a hand on your back before sitting down.

"How's it goin' in there?" You closed the laptop, turning your attention towards him. Josh talked about how everything's coming along nicely, and Jake is stubborn about everything or how Sam is always messing up. You hummed, following along. Not that you would ever tell Josh, but sometimes you never would really listen to what he was saying, but you loved to watch his hand movements or the expressions on his face. It added to his character. "I meant to ask you some time ago, but uh- whatever happened to Logan?" Josh immediately froze, looking down to the floor like a scolded puppy.

"I told her I would talk to her later this week." You shook your head, crossing your arms. "What?"

"Nothing; I was just thinking we wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for me oodling with your brother." Josh laughed at your choice of words, placing his hand softly on yours. "I think it was both us Y/N."

'Well, in my defense Sam is kind of hot now that I think about it." Josh slapped your shoulder. "Mmmm, you're right Sam does have that 'sense' to him." Time seemed to fly by the five of you, constantly arguing, laughing, or just goofing off with each other. It felt good to be back with everybody, and not walking around on eggshells. Sometimes the moment was so pleasant, you never wanted it to end.

It was eerily quiet when you walked inside Josh's home. It was nighttime, and the moon was full, shining brightly through the curtains. "Don't you ever wish you could see the stars?" Josh asked randomly.

"Light pollution man," He mumbled out, yeah, heading towards his bedroom. You peeked outside the window one more time, catching a glimpse of the clouds in the sky. Josh had changed into some comfier clothing and slid under the covers. You followed in pursuit, still wearing his old college t-shirt. "Where do you think we'll be in ten years?" The question had taken you by surprise. You knew he had a tendency to think a lot about the future, which was kind of admirable, but you had a hard time figuring out what the future would hold for you.

"That's hard to tell; Not unless I kill you first, but uh, I think we'll still be together, and so will the band. I guess it's just up to the rest of us." Josh hummed at your input. He flipped over on his side to look at you. "I hope we're together forever." Your face started to blush, although you doubt Josh could see, this time you wished he did.

"Me too." Your voice came out with full confidence knowing every ounce of you could never let him go. "Hey, do you think you'd ever let me wear your outfits after this next tour? They're kind of stylish if I say so myself." Josh laughed out loud. "I don't think they'd fit you, honey." You scoffed, pouting.

"Josh, I hate to break it to you but you're not that big." A playful laugh escaped your mouth while you pinched his arm. He pushed you back in return. "I meant your height." He shook his head. You turned around, allowing Josh to trap you in his arms.

"I hope I get to see you in heaven. If there is one." The sound of his voice made you want to cry. It was soft whisper that it felt so delicate at this moment.

"I think if you've seen me then, you will see me forever."

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Episode 29 Transcript: Has Dean Ever Been In A Bitch?

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello, my name is Grey.

C: And my name is Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, the Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen this show several times...

C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we're both Asian.

G: Both Asian!

So for today's episode, we will be discussing Season 2, Episode 7: "The Usual Suspects," written by Cathryn Humphries, directed by Mike Rohl.

C: Hi, Cathryn!

G: Hi Cathryn! What are her other episodes?

C: She co-wrote "Dead Man's Blood" with John Shiban.

G: Ohh. She was responsible for the good parts. [laughs]

C: Yes.

G: Oh, she's the Elementary person!

C: Yeah, she's the Elementary person, so I'm going to assume that she's good. [both laugh]

G: Okay, before going into the episode, we have an announcement. The thing is, like, when I when I was contemplating how to do this announcement, we were gonna do it for episode 30 of the podcast, and the joke was gonna be "Daddy's little girl broke in 30." [laughs] But I'm not doing it in the 30th episode, we're doing it on 29th, so Daddy's little girl broke in 29?

Me and Crystal have decided that we're gonna tone down the episodes into a once a week thing, 'cause if you know didn't know this or if you're listening to this in the future, where we are doing once a week, all the prior episodes to episode 29 have been done twice a week, so now we're reducing the numbers of episodes we put out.

C: It's a lot of work, and also, you guys probably don't have time to listen to us talk for like, three to four hours per week either, so.

G: Yeah. The thing is, like, when we were doing it, like, two hours per week, it was fine, right? [laughing] Now, we're doing it two hours per episode, so it's like, dude cut it off, cut it off. So, yeah, we're gonna be doing once a week. Starting from now, we'll be releasing episodes every Tuesday. I'm really sad that we didn't do it in episode 30. I really wanted to break at 30, like Dean Winchester, but alas.

C: Alas.

G: Okay, so before going in, "The Usual Suspects." What did you know about this episode before watching it?

C: So I didn't know anything from the name, but once it started, I remembered that there is a plot in "bad moon rising" that is similar to this where they get questioned by the police, and one of them like, killed a woman, because of something related to heroin. But in "bad moon rising," it ended with, I believe, Sam and Dean killing both of the cops and jetting, so sadly, we didn't get that. [laughs]

G: [laughs] Yeah. I also didn't- I mean, I know that the usual sus- I know where the title comes from. Actually, I don't know where the title comes from. It's a reference to a movie, but I haven't watched the movie, so I- like, that's not the thing that hinted me in. It's the "Previously On."

C: Yes!

G: Like, it's a supercut of all the crimes. Credit card scams, identity theft, lying about occupation. Like, all those crimes, it's a supercut of that. And then we get the scenes from "Skin" that were showing that Dean is wanted by the police, and I was like, "Oh, okay, this is the cop episode. This is the interrogation. The 'frisky women,' 'I'm an Aquarius' episode."

C: When do we get Henriksen? I was hoping he would show up at some point.

G: I think we get Henriksen in season 3? I'm actually not sure. But we get him prior to season 4, I'm sure of that.

C: Okay, yeah.

G: Actually, let's look it up, because- wait, I'll look it up. Don't look it up.

C: Yeah, I'm not allowed to know.

G: Oh, no, he shows up in season 2.

C: Okay. Fun.

G: Cool. So let's look forward to him. Things we're looking forward to in seaason 2- [laughing] the first mention of Busty Asian Beauties, and Mr. Henriksen himself.

So we start the episode in a buzzing police station. We follow a man as he goes to an interrogation room and starts talking to a guy that we don't see until the end of the scene, but, you know, it's Dean.

C: Yeah, duh.

G: And this entire thing is interspersed with a SWAT team, like, going up the stairs of a motel, you know, barging into a motel room. So just imagine that. The man that's talking to Dean - I think his name is Pete? Pete Sheridan?

C: Yeah.

G: Outlines the crimes that Dean has done.

C: [laughing] Yeah. He pulled out the BABpod misogyny tally and was like, "Well-"

G: And he says that all these crimes were short of murder, except for one in St. Loui...s. St. Loui[s]? St. Louis?

C: Louis.

G: Except for one in St. Louis that the police can't prove because Dean allegedly died there. So, as this is happening, in the motel, the SWAT team enters Sam's motel room, and tells him to put his hands up in the air- whoo-whoo- and [laughs], in the police station, we finally get the Dean reveal. And the way Dean's face was revealed is the camera pans behind him, shows his back, and then the side of his face as he turns to look- pretty much directly into the camera, right?

C: Maybe. I don't know. I don't look at the screen when Dean's face is on it. [G laughs]

G: [laughing] This is the part where I messaged you, like, "I love Supernatural." Like, literally, this is two minutes and thirty seconds in, and I was like, "Love to see Dean's face. I'm so excited to see more of his face throughout this episode."

C: Boo.

G: In the Philippines, we have two basic translations to the word handsome.

C: Uh-huh.

G: There's gwapo, and then there's pogi. This is gonna be relevant, okay? Stay with me.

C: Okay.

G: Gwapo is basically the more- it's like the higher version. It's like, "You have a beautiful face." That's what gwapo means. Pogi is more the appeal, you know? The- the charisma. All that, you know? So pogi is like, you know, "You look like you smell nice." That's pogi. [both laugh] Anyway, like, literally when this scene was happening, I was screaming at the screen, like, "He looks so pogi! He's so pogi!" Literally, he looks like he fucking smells nice, bro.

I don't know. He looks very good this episode. I think it's the mystery, you know. It's the air of mystery surrounding him. Because he was very quiet and he doesn't speak for much in the beginning, right?

C: Yeah.

G: So it's like, the air of mystery really gives him that quality of "Yeah, he's a handsome guy." [laughs]

I need to suck a dick. [C screams] Like, in real life, bro. I need to stop lusting over Dean Winchester.

C: Well, I hope you find many dicks to suck that are attached to pogi-er faces than his. [both laugh]

G: Exactly.

C: We cut to the police station. We cut to Sam's interrogation room, and he's just standing and pacing. Are you allowed to like, get out of your chair when you're being interrogated?

G: The thing is, like, Dean is a suspect, and he's caught red-handed, so he's chained to the table. I guess Sam is not. Like, he's more a witness type.

C: Right.

G: So he is allowed to walk around.

C: That's true. Yeah, yeah. He looks very, very tall in this room. This room has a low ceiling. And I think this was the moment when I sent to you on Discord - well, first, before watching this episode, I said "screaming and crying as I'm forced to watch Supernatural today," [laughing] and then, I think I sent, "Never mind, Supernatural is fine. I love seeing Sam." and I think it was at this scene.

G: [laughs] Yeah. He looks very good this episode, I would say.

C: Yeah. With the broken arm?

G: Especially because most of his scenes are with a shorter person. Yeah, the broken arm- with a shorter person.

C: Uh-huh.

G: So, like, you can really see him be big and hunkering and lumbering, and he's so fucking tall.

C: Yeah, yeah. I mostly just liked him because he's doing his like, puppy dog eyes at the cops sometimes. [G laughs] Like, "Please don't awwest me, we didn't kill anybody." [laughs]

So, the policewoman - her name is Ballard - she comes in with coffee and gives it to Sam. Sam says, "Oh, so you're the good cop. Where's the bad cop?" and Ballard says, "Oh, he's with your brother." [laughs] So she tells him how Dean's being held on suspicion of murder, and Sam looks completely fucking shooketh about this. He's like [overlapping], "Murder?! Oh my god!! Murder???" What-? Sam. You were there the whole time during "Skin," like, the whole time, right? Remember that part? Remember when you called an APB on Dean in "Skin"?

Yeah, so they talk for a bit, and Sam says that Ballard can't hold him and Dean there without formal charges, and she says, "Well, we can for 48 hours." And she says, "But you being a pre-law student would know that." [laughs] Again, pre-law is not a real major [G laughs], and Sam was totally a psych major, and how would he know that? I don't think he took a single, like, criminal psychology or criminal justice class. Which is correct of him.

So Ballard starts revealing that she has a lot of background information on Sam. She says the whole thing about how he's 23, no job, no home, Mary's death. She says, "Your father's whereabouts are unknown." Ouch. [laughs]

G: They don't know that John died because- I guess because he gave a different name?

C: Yeah, they think that- they know that Eli McGillicutty died, but they don't know that John did.

G: [laughs] That's a deep cut.

C: Yeah. And then she says, like, "And then there's your brother Dean, whose demise was just a little bit exaggerated." And then she starts talking about how Sam was a straight A student as a kid, got into Stanford, and then she says, "About a year ago, there was a fire in your apartment. One fatality: Jessica Moore, your girlfriend. After she died, you fell off the grid. Left behind everything." And like, Sam sorta ducks his head and looks quite sad at this. Agh, what a poor little meowmeow. And then he says, "I needed some time off. [in unison] To deal." [laughs] To deal. And he says that he's on a road trip with Dean, and he says, "We saw the second-largest ball of twine in the continental U.S. Awesome!" [laughs] Ugh, I love this guy.

G: At this scene, he takes a seat opposite-

C: [laughing] Yeah, and he sits backwards! Like, the chair is backwards!

G: Yeah, he sits the way Jared sits during conventions. [laughs]

C: Oh, no! That's disgusting. I hate that.

G: I know this because I did watch like, clips of conventions when I was younger. I mean, I think I still do it now. It's very, like, I think it is [laughs] I don't think everything that you can consume in life needs to be worth your time. [both laugh] That's my take on watching convention clips.

C: Yeah.

G: But when I was younger, like, I watched Jared sit like that. I was like, "I'm gonna start sitting like that on chairs!" And I did. So. Yeah. [both laugh] Oh god.

C: [laughing] Good for you. Yeah, so he's sitting fucking backwards on the fucking chair. So the chair is- like, he pulls the chair up to the table, and he likes spins it around on purpose, I guess, so he can sit on it backwards?

G: Yeah.

C: Ugh.

G: Literally like Jared Padalecki. [C laughs]

C: So Ballard says that Dean's fingerprints showed up as a lot of possible crimes, and that she is planning to run Sam's too. Sam continues to be uncooperative, starts drinking the coffee after sniffing it, I guess to check for poison. And then Ballard starts digging-

G: No! Like, the whole point is that she said fingerprints, like, she's talking about fingerprints-

C: Oh, right. Oh, yeah.

G: So they're gonna get his fingerprints from the cup-

C: From the cup, yes.

G: So it's like him saying that, like, "Oh, you're gonna get my fingerprints? Fine." And that's why he took the cup.

C: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. So Ballard starts really digging in. She says, "Sam, you seem like a good kid. It's not your fault Dean's your brother." [laughing] Soo true. [both laughing]

G: Literally so true!

C: Soo fucking true. She says, "We can't pick our family," and she talks about the case from "Skin," and she says, "Dean’s a bad guy." So true. "His life is over." [laughing] So true. [G laughs] "Yours doesn't have to be." Soo true! [laughs]

And Sam says, like, really shocked, "You want me to turn against my own brother?" Like, yeah. This is not that big of a leap, bro. [laughs] Haven't you read the Bible?

She says that, like, "Well, no, 'cause we already have him, we just need you to talk a bit more because I can try to figure out a deal with the DA for you." She says, "You can get on with your life. Dean's as good as gone." How do you think Sam is like, feeling during this scene? Because she has just poked at the wound of Jess's death and sort of brought up that he left Stanford just like, a year ago, and he could have had a normal life. Like, obviously, he's not planning to turn Dean in, but do you think he feels any kind of regret?

G: No. I think- well, I the way I interpreted this scene is he was being very focused on the immediate what's happening, you know. Like, "Dean is being arrested, I need to get out of here, we need to solve the case." Like, those are the main problems.

C: Yeah.

G: I guess because the episodes doesn't really linger much-

C: That's true, yeah.

G: - on Sam, like, at this point in the episode, so.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah.

G: We start with this thing that the episode does where there are flashbacks interspersed with Sam being interviewed. So while he's being interviewed, Sam says, "Oh, my dad and Tony Giles were old friends, so we came as soon as we heard about his death." [both laugh] And then it's a flashback to Sam going, "Who's Anthony Giles?" [both laugh] And what they figured out is this Giles guy, his throat was slit, and the tapes didn't see the assailant. Which, now that we know what happened, how do you think he did it? Like, he literally just tampered with the evidence?

C: I think he just wore gloves and edited the security, yeah. Like, they've definitely- this is not really that much to go off of for a case.

G: Yeah, that's true. But they have, you know, showed up for less, so. Anyway, the only important bit in this part is the exposition, and also Dean going, "What do you think, Scully?" and Sam saying, "I'm not Scully. You're Scully!" And Dean replies, like, "I'm Mulder. You're a red-headed woman!" Have you watched X-Files?

C: I have not. Have you?

G: No, [laughing] so this is entire conversation is fucking worthless.

C: I know that Scully's the skeptic and Mulder's the one who believes in all of the conspiracy theories. So I don't think either of them is Scully or Mulder. I feel like they're pretty balanced.

G: I don't know, maybe in the actual show, like, if you watch it, there's a dynamic that's, you know, you can see better. But all I know about Scully is that she's played by Gillian Anderson. [laughs] And all I know about Gillian Anderson is she plays Bedelia in Hannibal. And all I know about Bedelia from Hannibal is she is a fucking mo-

C: MILF?

G: [laughs] Yes. Is she a mother in the show? I don't think so. But she is a MILF, I love that, so.

C: Yeah.

G: Who in the Winchester brothers is the MILF in the relationship? [laughs] I think it's Sam. Go, Sam!

C: Sam's MILF bait, yeah.

G: Sam's MILF bait.

C: I don't know he is a MILF-

G: -coded.

C: - himself, though.

G: [laughs] Yeah.

Anyway, back to the interrogation. Sam is defending Dean now, saying that, "Well, because we weren't there when he died, Dean couldn't have possibly killed him." Sam tells the cop that, when they arrived, Karen, who is Anthony Giles's wife, was a mess, and they just want to be there for her. [both laugh] And this is followed by a flashback of Sam and Dean posing as insurance guys investigating Tony. And Karen is fucking devastated, but she's cooperating. She says that Tony stayed behind because his computers were being troublesome, and that's it. Dean's starts pressing for information, and the way he does this is he asks if he- as in Tony - said anything unusual. And Karen's like, "Uh, unusual?" And Dean was like, "Like, strange." [both laugh] And Karen was like, "Strange?" And Dean was like, "You know! Weird!" [both laughing] Yeah, like, did he see anything, did he hear anything, and Sam starts clearing his throat. And he looks at Dean, and the way he does this is, every time he looks at Dean, he's making a, like, face that's like, "Oh, what are you doing, dude?" And then he gathers his face up back to the sympathetic, empathetic guy who's talking to the wife of a dead guy. And it's absolutely fucking hilarious.

C: It is.

G: Like, truthfully fascinating facial control that Sam has. [C laughs]

C: Like, we saw him be a shit actor in "Asylum," but apparently, he's gotten better.

G: Karen mentions that Tony had a nightmare where a woman was at the foot of their bed. Dean asked if Karen knows what the woman looked like, and she refuses to answer at first, but eventually says that she was pale and had red eyes. Back in the interrogation room, Sam is saying, "Oh, I gave her a hug and told her to call me if she needed me. And that's it. End of story."

C: Yeah. So Ballard pushes because she says that she has an eyewitness that two men looking like Sam and Dean-

G: I think you should start calling her Diana.

C: Oh, okay.

G: Because that's the name that they use in the episode.

C: Hm, yeah. I guess they call her Ballard in "bad moon rising," [laughs] so that's what I'm going off of.

Yeah, okay, Diana starts telling Sam that people saw him and Dean breaking into Tony's office. And Sam says, like, "Oh, well, Karen just called us and wanted us to get some stuff from Tony's office even though the police weren't letting her in, like a picture of the two of them in Paris." He says, "It was wrong to enter a crime scene, but she gave us the key." And then we cut to them [both laugh], like, picking the lock of the office.

G: This entire, like, back and forth is actually really fun to watch.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah, like, the juxtaposition of the statements is actually very fun. Like, you know how, like, episodes that borrow from movies are rated very low?

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah, I'm wondering if they borrow a lot of stuff from other movies for this one, or, you know, it's just a common enough trope that people are like, "Oh, we've seen this before, but it's still fun. It's still alright."

C: Yeah. I like interrogation room episodes.

As they get into the office, they see a pool of blood where Tony was killed. And Dean thinks it's probably a vengeful spirit. While inspecting the office, they see this paper that just says, the word "Dana Shulps" printed over and over, and it covers the whole thing. It's like, on a bunch of papers in the room, and also, it's apparently on the glass table in the office. Which we see by Sam-

G: Yeah! Hell yeah, dude!

C: like, breathing on the table, and then, like the left-behind- Yeah, I thought that was neat. I enjoyed that.

G: My notes said, "Blow it, Sammy!" [both laughing] Literally blow it Sammy.

C: Yeah.

So they start trying to look up who Dana Shulps might be, but they've got nothing. Sam, apparently, is trying to break into Tony's computer. He says that he's pretty close to cracking his password, close by, like, 30 minutes. Which, like, how do you think Sam is doing this? Do you think he has the Wikipedia page for, like, 1000 most common passwords pulled up [both laugh] and he's just typing them in one by one?

G: Literally, how is he doing this? Because it's not like the computer tells you, "You're one letter off!"

C: [laughing] Yeah!

G: Like, you literally have no way of knowing!

C: Right, exactly.

G: Does he have- is he hacking into this computer like a professional hacker might?

C: I don't know.

G: How does that even work?

C: Yeah, I don't even know how a professional hacker does it. Yeah, whatever. He's so smart. Whatever he's doing, good for him. [both laugh]

G: Who am I to question Sam Winchester's computer prowess?

C: Exactly. He has literally invented laptopping it up.

So Dean is like, "Okay, so I guess I'm just gonna hang out here, while you do that for 30 minutes." And he starts sitting and making mouth noises. Like, the, you know [crunchy mouth noises], you know the mouth-fart-

G: Yeah, yeah, like- I don't even know how to recreate it, but yeah.

C: Yeah. ADHD icon, he's just like me for real, etc. And Sam starts getting quite annoyed, and Dean's like, "Okay, I'm just gonna leave and talk to Karen again." So he does.

I feel like, the thing is, okay, flip phones at this time had games on them, right? You know that game with the snake that keeps getting longer and longer?

G: Yes! As you eat apples? Yeah.

C: Yes. Couldn't Dean have just played the snake eating apples game for 30 minutes?

G: Literally.

C: Yeah. Like, I think Dean should have just sat there and played Candy Crush so he wouldn't get accused of murder! [G laughs]

G: So we go to Karen, who is lounging around. And she gets freaked out by an apparition. She walks around, you know, all freaked out. She goes to her room, calls 911, and the phone hangs up by itself, and the printer starts going, printing out "Dana Shulps" over and over again. She goes to her cabinet to get a flashlight, and when she turns around, there's a woman there. And she screams.

C: So now we cut to the outside of the house, where Dean arrives. He knocks on the door, there's no response, so he breaks in and eventually find Karen dead on the floor with her throat slit and with a bunch of pages reading "Dana Shulps" all around her. And he goes, "Seriously, what the hell?" [laughs] And then he notices that there are bruises on Karen's wrists, and, as he takes one of her wrists in his hand, he hears the word "Freeze!" behind him, and a bunch of cops with their guns on him, and they order him to get on his knees, put his hands up, and he gets handcuffed.

G: It's truly fascinating his reaction to a dead body, I feel like.

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: Like the "Oh, dammit." And then he just walks in and starts touching it. And it's like, "Cool! [laughs] Go Dean!"

C: Go Dean! I just- I know that every episode they leave their goddamn fingerprints all over dead, murdered people, but this episode's, like, "wow, you guys are really leaving your fingerprints all over dead, murdered people!" Yeah, it also feels rude to Karen.

G: We go to Dean's interrogation room, and Diana - which is the woman who interviewed Sam - walks in and tells Pete - the guy who's interviewing Dean - that Sam and Dean's story lines up to the last detail.

C: Yeah. Which is very cute.

G: Truly fascinating! Yeah! Very nice. And the two cops walk out, and we follow them. Diana says, "Everything is circumstantial evidence." Pete says, "Juries have convicted for less." Diana says, "What about the murder weapon? What about the motive? What about reasonable doubt?" Pete says, "Diana." and holds her face?!

C: Yeah. Like, right in front of everyone? Ew!

G: And God, yeah. [laughs] Literally right in front of everyone and God. And asks her, like, "Do you have reasonable doubt?" It's fucking [audible cringing]- I don't know why I was so put off by this scene. Like, I guess because they're cops. [laughs]

C: Yeah.

G: [laughing] That means they're not allowed to have love in their lives.

C: I agree. It's so gross.

G: So a cop passes by, and he drops his time and he says, "Dean is our guy. And if you keep leaning on these guys, one of them will tumble." Diana reveals to us that Pete and Giles were good friends, and that Giles was a defense attorney. Diana wants to get back into the interrogation room to talk to the Winchesters, but Pete says "No." They stand by some vending machines, they look around if there are people, they kiss. Literally, boo.

C: I literally wrote down, "Ew!" [both laugh]

G: Literally ew.

C: I think it's interesting the way that they're setting up these characters because it's like, the way that Pete is so focused on getting Dean convicted, and we find out later why, but I feel like-

G: But I'm pretty sure cops are just like that.

C: I'm pretty sure cops just talk like that, yeah, all the time. And I know that Diana is supposed to be "the good one," and I mean, she is casting doubt on what Pete says, but the vibe is not like, "I don't think they did it," the vibe is like, "They definitely did it, but we need to get more evidence so we can land them in jail so we get our bonuses." [laughs]

So we go to Dean's interrogation room- well, we get scenes where we're cutting between Sam and Dean in their interrogation rooms, sharing their one brain cell. Dean is trying to figure out the Dana Shulps thing. He's muttering it to himself while Sam starts writing it down on a pad of paper. And then we sort of get scenes cut together where both of them realize at the same time that it's probably an anagram instead of a name. Again, this was a good episode for Sam and Dean having one brain cell, and I think that's sweet.

Eventually, someone knocks on Dean's door, and it's some guy. He's smiling. And he introduces himself as Jeffrey Kraus and Dean's lawyer with the public defender's office. Do you have to ask for a lawyer to get one? Or do they just show up?

G: No, well, they just show up because that's your right, so.

C: Yeah.

G: Like, if you don't ask for one, the DA will provide one for you.

C: Oh, yeah, that's part of the Miranda rights statement, yeah.

So Dean does not seem very happy about that. He goes, "Thank god. I'm saved." And he asks for a pen and paper, which he gets. So Jeffrey starts talking to Dean about how his case isn't looking too hot, whereas Dean is completely ignoring him and trying to crack the Dana Shulps anagram. So Jeffrey's like, "What are you doing?" and Dean says, "I think it's an anagram," and Jeffrey's like, "A what?" and Dean says, "An anagram. Same letters, different words." And it's like, did Supernatural really think that like, no one knew what an anagram was [G laughs] that they felt it necessary to put in this exposition?

o Dean turns around the paper and asks if anything on there looks familiar. And Jeffrey, after a bit of like, "What the hell are you doing, man?" notices that one of the things on the paper, which is "SUP ASH LAND" is familiar because Ashland is a street name close to here. So Dean starts writing a new note to Sam, and then tries to get Jeffrey to deliver it. Jeffrey is like, "You could be facing the death penalty here," and Dean says, "Thanks for the law review, Matlock." Another Matlock reference. And he gets Jeffrey to take the note over.

G: So we go to Diana on her desk, and she's typing up a report, when suddenly, "Dana Shulps Dana Shulps Dana Shulps" like, starts showing up on her monitor. And it all disappears. And she's a bit freaked out by this. We go to Sam's interrogation room, where the lawyer comes in and gives Sam the note, which reads, "Hilts- It's a street. Ashland. -McQueen."

C: Of course, referencing Lightning McQueen from Cars. [both laughing]

G: I know that this is Steve McQueen that they're referencing, but I choose to believe my truth, which is that Dean is a fan of the Cars movies.

C: Right, and he's saying "Zoom zoom out of here." [both laugh]

What year did Cars come out?

G: I don't- let's look it up.

C: Oh, Cars came out in 2006.

G: Ohh.

C: Okay, so they could have just watched Cars.

G: There's like, a tagline, right? There's a Steve McQueen tagline? Steve- not Steve McQueen. "Lighting McQueen quote..." - "Ka-chow!"

C: [laughs] Yeah, I think that's it.

G: [laughing] I think Dean should have said "Ka-chow," like, at any point in Supernatural. It's reasonable- [laughing] like, we've had this discussion last episode-

C: Uh-huh.

G: - but we're just continuing it. It's completely reasonable for him to like Cars the movie.

C: Yeah.

G: Like, he likes cars, so.

C: He does like cars. I mean, do you think it would be upset at the mechanical inaccuracies in Cars the movie?

G: Yeah, he's probably gonna be that guy. But also, they're sentient cars, so I don't think-

C: Do you know what I think? I think he forced Sam to stay home at the motel, and then he drove Baby over to a drive-in theater to see Cars, and he viewed it as a date [both laugh] between him and the Impala.

G: Literally.

C: And I think he gave a little whistle at the blue Porsche who's the love interest in Cars, and then immediately, he was like, "Oh, no, don't worry, Baby, she'll never be as beautiful as you!" [both laughing]

G: [laughing] Noo! No!

Yeah. We need to write a Cars AU. For realsies.

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: The lawyer says, like, "Oh, I hope that was meaningful, but I would like to discuss your case now." And Sam says, "Sure thing, Matlock." And I love that. Like, the lawyer even says, like, "You two really are brothers, huh?" And I'm like, "Of course, right?" Like, they grew up together, they grew up watching the same television in the same motel room, of course they're gonna know the same references. Like, they watch the same thing!

C: Yeah.

G: And yeah. It's- because you know how Supernatural always does this thing like, "Sam and Dean are foils. What Sam likes, Dean doesn't like, and what Dean likes, Sam doesn't like." And it's like, they're brothers. And not only are they brothers, they grew up in such close proximity for such a long time. Like, it's just impossible that they won't have so many things similar with each other.

C: Yeah. Yeah.

G: As the lawyer starts talking, Diana knocks, and she says, "We need you with the other one." And so they go off to Dean's room.

C: So we're at Dean's interrogation room, and he's being filmed by a camera, and there's a lot of people outside watching. And Peter says that Dean has decided to confess. So Peter tells me to talk directly into the camera, first stating your name for the record, and then we get the opening scene of the clicky AMV.

G: Literally. Literally. They made Supernatural so that LiveLikeHeroes can make the clicky AMV, for real.

C: Exactly.

So Dean says, "My name is Dean Winchester. I'm an Aquarius. I enjoy sunsets, long walks on the beach, and frisky women." Okay, Dean. [G laughs] "And I did not kill anyone. But I know who did, or rather, what did."

G: Has he literally ever been in a bitch?

C: What?

G: No, I didn't say that properly. Has he literally ever been [both laugh] I can't pronounce it! Has he literally ever been in a beach?

C: A beach? Oh.

G: [laughing] Yeah.

C: Right. [both laughing] For a second there, I was like, "Yeah, I think we have seen him have sex before, but I don't know why you're calling them bitches!" [both laughing] Literally, has he ever been in a bitch. Virgin Dean Winchester truthing starts now.

I think he talks- I know in season- what? 13?- he talks about how like, "After all this is over, we should go on vacation to the beach" in a way that makes me think that he hasn't been to the beach before.

G: Yeah.

C: But, you know, the "I enjoy sunsets and long walks on the beach" is like a- I don't know what's a reference to, but it's a joke that people often use talk about how generic like, dating show profiles are, so I think that's just what he's doing.

G: Yeah.

C: The frisky women, I think he added that all by himself. A special Dean Winchester touch.

Can I get a point for this and for calling Sam a redheaded woman, like, combined?

G: I mean, sure, yeah. I don't think frisky women is like, that bad. I don't think it's a bad thing to say. He likes frisky women!

C: I guess? I guess. It's a weird vibe.

G: I think you can give half for that, and then half for calling Sam a woman.

C: Okay, so that's together as one point. So Dean has gotten to his sixth misogyny of the season.

So, Dean continues. He says, "I did not kill anyone, but I know who did. Or rather, what did. Of course, I can't be for sure, because our investigation was interrupted, but our working theory was that we're looking for some kind of vengeful spirit." And everyone around is like, facepalming and going, "What." And Dean clarifies, "You know, Casper the bloodthirsty ghost?" He just continue spouting shit about the supernatural. He starts saying that the ghost was seen by Tony and Karen, that it left behind a word, "Dana Shulps," but that was jumbled because it's hard to communicate across the veil, so whatever's going on, it started on Ashland Street. Peter starts getting quite upset at this. He's saying, "You arrogant bastard. Tony and Karen were good people, and you're making jokes." Alright, Peter. [laughs] And he accuses Dean of murder again, and Dean's like, "Oh, yeah, St. Louis wasn't me. That was a shapeshifter that looked like me." And Peter gets really mad, and he just- I mean, he just runs in and like, grabs Dean by the collar and slams him against the wall. And Diana tells him to hold off, and Peter says, "Lock his ass up." And then another cop shoves Dean against the wall face-first and handcuffs him.

I know that people use the scene, a lot to be like, horny.

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: But I feel like you don't- I don't know. I feel like there are scenes you can sexualize that don't involve police brutality.

Yeah, they're definitely playing Dean as like, the cocky hero who's like, smiling and enjoying this, though, so, like, I feel like it's not that bad to sexualize it, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth sometimes.

G: No, because, like, you know that scene in season 9 where Cas is being tortured, and he literally- like, the scene where they go "Shave your chest, father of two, it's fanservice time"?

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: That scene. Like, I feel like, you're allowed to sexualize Cas in that scene, because, like, it's not something that's, you know, as prevalent as police violence, but like, yeah.

C: But also I think that-

G: I'm not saying that people are bad for doing it, but it does leave a bad taste in your mouth, like, in context.

C: Right.

G: I understand that these people are not using it in context, so like, you know.

C: Yeah, yeah. And I also think- 'cause it's like, for these scenes, I feel like, people usually go like, "This is like, 'Dean likes getting shoved against walls by men'" [both laugh] whereas the Cas thing is just, like, "It's hot that he has his shirt open and blood going." Like, there's no like, "He likes being tortured" aspect of it, you know?

G: Yeah. Yeah.

G: Also, just to mention, like, during that scene, like, Diana notices the Dana Shulps thing that Dean says and looks actively distressed by this revelation that somebody else knows about Dana Shulps.

Anyway, Diana and Pete go to Sam's interrogation room, and as they open the door... Sam is gone, baby! He's not there. And the window is ajar, etc, etc. Pete can't figure out how Sam escaped because the fire escape is way over on the other side of the building. And Diana picks up the note and reveals that Hilts is Steve McQueen's character in The Great Escape.: Sam and Dean planned this all along. I love this!

C: Yeah.

G: I love it. Because, like, right now, it's still not as prominent as thing, but later on in the show, Dean does become, like, a fountain of pop culture references, and usually, like, I don't understand him, and, you know, it's a thing that Cas says, like, "I don't understand that reference." Like, he also doesn't understand it. But Sam does. Because, again, they watched the same things growing up, so he you would understand what the fuck Dean is talking about.

C: Yeah.

G: And I love that, like, they weaponize that. Like, Dean being incomprehensible is something that they use to their advantage to communicate to each other secretly. It's pretty cool!

C: Yeah, it is.

G: So Diana enters a comfort room, and the lights won't turn in. She heads to the sink, and they all automatically open. "Dana Shulps" starts being written by an invisible finger in the steamed mirror. And as Diana wipes this off, the ghost woman shows up. Now that we see her clearly, the ghost woman, we see that her throat has been slit and that she looks like she is trying to speak, instead of actually attacking Diana.

C: So Diana now enters Dean's interrogation room, and she asks him about the stuff that he was talking about earlier. The ghosts, all of that. She says, "Let's pretend, for the moment, you're not entirely insane. What would one of these things be doing here?" And Dean explains vengeful spirits, and Diana goes, like, "Oh, they can kill people?" And Dean notices that Diana now has bruises on her wrist, like the ones on Karen's. And Dean realizes like, "Oh, you've seen it. You've seen the ghost." Because, you know, the bruises thing is related to the spirit. And Dean tells her, "I know you think you're going crazy, but let's skip that part [G laughs], because the last two people who saw this died pretty soon after."

Do you- Okay, do you think Peter was at this point planning to kill Diana, though? Like, because he doesn't have any reason to.

G: I know. I mean, shouldn't Claire - which is what the woman's name is - show up in front of Dean first?

C: Yeah! Like, that seems to be Peter's next target.

G: Yeah. Unless Peter really wants to fucking kill Diana, I guess.

C: Like, just for fun?

G: Yeah, just for funsies. [C laughs] He is, you know. That's his kink.

C: [laughing] Oh, no!

So Diana realizes that like, "Oh, you think I'm gonna die," and Dean says, like, "Go to Sam. He'll help." Diana's like, "Well, then, I'll know where he is and I can arrest him." But Dean says, "No, just go to the first motel listed in the Yellow Pages. Look for Jim Rockford. It's how we find each other when we're separated." Agh, it's so nice to like, just have all of the like, Sam and Dean contingency plan backstory bits. Like, so true.

G: Yeah. And like, I just- I wasn't able to say earlier, but, like, the fact that they had the same exact story.

C: Yes.

G: Like, you think they also formulated the, like, "What would we say if we get arrested?" Like, "How would we twist the story?"

C: Yeah.

G: And it's, I don't know. It's cool that they have that like, backup plans for each other.

C: Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

So Dean says, "You can arrest him if you want. Or, you can let him save your life." If I was Diana, I would just die. [G laughs] Like, I would just be like, "No." [laughs] And then I would just die. I wouldn't arrest Sam, but I would also just die. But, you know, if she wants to believe in ghosts, that's good for this episode, so, good for you. Now, please quit your job.

G: So we go to Sam. He's in a motel room. And he opens up the door for Diana. She shows him her wrists, and he asks her to elaborate, and she says, "I must be losing my mind. I should be arresting you right now." And Sam says, "Well, arrest me later. After you survive this." She then tells Sam what he saw earlier. The ghost was pale, had red eyes. Her throat was slit. And Sam brings up a bunch of photos from crime scenes in Ashland Street and asks her if she recognizes anyone. And Diana's all like, "You can't have those!" Sam says, "You have your job. I have mine." She recognizes someone. Claire Becker disappeared eight or nine months ago. Before her death, she was arrested for dealing heroin. And Sam asks if Diana ever did Narcotics - well, you know - and she says yes, but doesn't remember busting Claire. Sam says, "She was last seen entering 2911 Ashland Street, but police didn't find anything." So he stands up and goes, "We're gonna have to find it ourselves and see if we can find the body." Diana appears fucking shocked, and Sam explains that they have to salt and burn the bones to get rid of the spirit, so.

C: Yeah. Also, I feel like as a police officer, if you think someone got murdered you do also go find the body. [laughs] Like, I don't know what Diana is so shocked about.

G: Yeah! I mean, he just has to salt and burn afterwards, so.

C: Yeah. Just an extra step.

C: So we go into a warehouse, [laughs] which the transcript calls "A Dark and Creepy Warehouse," in all caps. [G laughs] Well, in titlecase.

So they start looking around for a body. Sam goes upstairs, and while Ballard is searching- while Diana's searching, she sees Claire's ghost standing by the window, trying to talk to her. Diana freaks out and calls for Sam, who, as soon as he shows up, the ghost disappears. So, again, they note that the ghost doesn't seem like she's trying to attack anyone, she was just reaching out Diana, and she was over by a window.

So, as they move shelves aside, they see that the window says "Ashland Supplies," but the "plies" has been like, shaved off [G laughing] so that's the full, like, anagram. What?

G: [laughing] I don't know, I just found it so fucking funny, like, they- I don't know. Couldn't they have just have found an anagram for the street itself? [C laughs] Do you think that would be like, way too in your face?

C: Maybe. I don't know. But yeah.

G: This reveal, I thought was fucking hilarious. Like, of course some letters got erased and that's why it says Dana Shulps in the anagram.

C: Yeah. [laughs]

G: Whatever.

C: So they see that there's a shadow on the wall where the letters appear really nicely 'cause of the light through the window, and Sam brings his EMF over to the wall, and it starts buzzing as he gets closer to it. So, like, yeah, her body's probably in there. So he just picks up a sledgehammer and starts going at it.

G: Yeah. He makes, like, groaning noises [C laughs] that I was wondering if it was ADR-ed. It was like, "Eugh! Eugh!" [C laughs] And I was like, "Cool! This is great." [both laughing]

C: So there's something in there. So they start trying to get the body out, but he mentions that it's weird that Claire has led them to her body, because no vengeful spirit that he's encountered before has done that, because they don't want to get salt-and-burned. So, eventually, they get Claire's body out, and she's like, in a black body bag or something.

G: Yeah.

C: And they cut open the bag, and, it's like, this dusty-ass corpse in there.

G: How did that not smell?

C: Yeah. Right.

G: Why do corpses smell bad when it's convenient and not when it's not?

C: Yeah. Maybe Peter put a bunch of pine air freshener inside the bag, but we just didn't see it. [both laugh]

G: It's not relevant to their journey.

C: Exactly.

They notice that there's this very obvious necklace on Claire's corpse. And Ballard says, like, "Oh, I recognize this. It's rare. It was custom made over on Carson Street. I have one just like it. Pete gave it to me." Dun-dun-dun!

G: Dun-dun-dun!

C: So is the implication that he and Claire were romantically or sexually involved, as well as her helping him deal heroin?

G: Yeah, probably.

C: Huh. Yeah. So maybe he was just gonna kill Diana 'cause he's just into killing his romantic partners. [both laugh] Geez.

G: Sam figures it out, that Claire's not a vengeful spirit, she's a death omen. She doesn't want vengeance, she wants justice. Sam asks, "Detective, what do you know about your partner?" And Diana starts talking about how, one time, heroin went missing from lock up, which I guess is like, where they store crime paraphernalia from people they arrest. And obviously, it was a cop who took it, but they never knew who did it, and whoever did it, though, needed someone to get the product out. Somebody like Claire.

In a prisoner transport van, Pete is driving Dean in the middle of the fucking night, and Dean's trying to talk him up, but he's not responding, and Dean is obviously very worried about this. Back to Sam and Diana who are now in the car, Diana tells Sam about how Pete just took Dean, claiming that he needed to be transferred, and dispatch has been calling, but Pete is not answering. And Sam says, "If he took a county vehicle, it should have a lojack that just needs to be turned on," and, you know, words. But, basically, they can track this sucker down.

C: Yeah. Diana's willing to give Pete really quickly, right?

G: I mean, like, I guess she's like, bitter about the romantic aspect. [laughing]

C: Oh, do you think that's it?

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah, no, you're right because when she's like, beating him up, she's like, "Why don't you give me another necklace?" [laughing] Like, Jesus.

G: [laughing] Yeah.

C: Which, like, on one end, you know what, that makes sense, because I feel like cops often are not willing to give up their partners, even when they do illegal shit. So yeah, I guess it makes sense that there's this extra dimension to it. However, it is kind of weird that they're having that for a woman, but also, misogyny doesn't count when it's against cops, so whatever. [both laugh]

So the van pulls over, like, in the middle of nowhere, and Dean says, "Pee break, so soon? You might want to get your prostate checked?" [laughs] Alright, buddy. Peter seems pretty distressed, and he gets out, and he, like, yanks Dean out of the van and throws him to the ground. And he tells Dean, "You're a cocky son of a bitch. You think those people in St. Louis are gonna buy that crap you're peddling? You're not gonna make it to St. Louis. You're gonna die trying to escape." And he pulls out his gun and aims it at Dean. And Dean's like, "Wait, let's talk about this! You don't want to do something that you're gonna regret later." And Pete cocks the gun [G laughs], and Dean goes, "Maybe you do!"

Just in time, Diana arrives and tells Pete to put the gun down. And Peter says, like, "How did you find me?" And she says, "I know about Claire." Which, I guess, "I know about the murder," but also, "I know you were two-timing me"? She points her gun at him too, and they have a bit of a standoff. And Diana asks, "Why are you doing this?" And Pete, after denying, says that "It wasn't my fault! Claire was trying to turn me in! I had no choice." And, apparently, Tony scrubbed the money and then wanted to come clean about it, and he probably told Karen, so that's why Pete killed both of them. And he says that he just had to clean up the mess, and he panicked.

Diana asks, "How many more people are gonna die over this, Pete?" And he says, "There's a way out. This Dean kid's a freaking gift. We could pin the whole thing on him, right? No trial, nothing. Just one more dead scumbag." Which.

G: [laughing] Dean's like, [overlapping] "Hey!" [both laugh]

C: But I think it's a good line in terms of- like, I don't think this episode is critical of cops as a system-

G: Yeah.

C: I think it's very much like, "Pete's just one bad guy," but I think that that line is a good like, demonstration of the way that having the power that police have can make someone do really terrible things, so I liked that line. Because, you know, like, Clara was like, a heroin dealer, like, she was also someone that society "wasn't really going to miss," and same with Dean, so like, yeah, it is about how cops have the power to just pin stuff on random people the way serial killers kill off people who society "won't miss."

So Peter continues. He says, "No one will question it. Diana, please, I still love you!" [both laugh] Okay.

G: Wild.

C: [laughs] Wild.

Oh, god, like, they really like, just had all of this in here for no reason. [both laughing] Like, they forced me to watch cops kiss for nothing.

So, she starts putting down the gun, and he says, "Thank you," and he turns back around to shoot Dean, but while he's distracted, Diana shoots him in the stomach.

G: Well, she shoots him in the leg.

C: Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, she shoots him in the leg, and he falls down as Dean gets out of the way. And then she says, [laughing] "Then why don't you buy me another necklace, you ass!" [both laughing]

G: [laughing] Literally, this entire thing boils to down to "you bought her a necklace, and you bought me a necklace"!

C: [laughing] Literally, "I can excuse three murders, but I draw the line at buying another woman a necklace."

So they start, like, fist-fighting each other, and Pete gets her gun. Pete's saying, "Don't do it! Don't do it!" like, all scared, so they look up, and it's Claire, who is looking at him and smiling. And then we hear a gunshot. And Diana has shot Pete in the back. And he's dead. Goodbye.

G: Hell yeah, dude.

G: So, in the morning, Diana asks Sam and Dean about what happened to Claire. And Sam says that she should be at rest. Dean asks, "What now, officer?" And she says since Pete confessed, she can probably get their cases dismissed, but the St. Louis murder is a different story. But she can just say that Sam and Dean escaped. And Sam's like, "Are you sure?" [both laugh] And Dean's like, "Of course she's sure, Sam!" And Sam says, "You could lose your job!"

C: Good.

G: Diana says, "I just want you to do what you do best." Dean asks about his car, she tells him where it is and to not even think about getting the car [C laughs], and Sam and Dean are like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. We'll just improvise." And as they walk away, Sam says, "Nice lady," to which Dean replies, "Yeah, for a cop."

C: So true.

G: And then, we get some- we get Dean saying, like, "Are you hungry?" and Sam says, "No," and Dean says, "For some reason, I could really go for some pea soup." Do you know what this is a reference to?

C: No, but I checked the Wiki after.

G: Okay. So it's Linda Blair. This woman is Linda Blair.

C: So, apparently, she throws up pea soup in [both] The Exorcist. Yeah.

G: It's fascinating- like, I'm sure she's famous, like, Linda Blair for being in The Exorcist. But just the fact that I know the name Linda Blair. I think it's because of a Filipino song that was played a lot when I was young, and the song is literally called "Linda Blair," and it's like, the plot of the the song is like, "I'm a student, and then I become possessed by a demon in the middle of school." [both laugh] It's a fun song, and it literally goes, like, "Teacher, teacher, my name is Linda Blair. And the ghosts are everywhere, I can feel it in the air." And it's super fun.

C: That is fun.

G: So that's why I know the name Linda Blair.

C: Yeah.

G: Anyway, what did you think about this episode?

C: I thought it was pretty fun. Like, I liked the format. Yeah. [laughs] I mean, I wasn't expecting any particularly good commentary on cops, so I was not disappointed in that regard. But yeah, it was fun.

G: Yeah. I liked the episode, because of the format, as you said. Like, the format really brings it to life. Other than that, I don't really see it as particularly exceptional. Like, there's no emotional beats that are pertinent to the season. But, I'll be honest, like, when the episode started, I was like, "Aw, can't we just do a monster of the week? I just want to see a monster of the week!" [laughs]

C: Yeah.

G: I literally was like, sitting there, like, "[audible pout] I want to do a monster of the week." And then I saw the Dean shot at the beginning of the episode, and I was like, "Yeah, hell yeah, dude! I take back everything I said" [C laughs] but, yeah.

Yeah. So, Best Line/Worst Line. This is gonna be difficult. There are no particularly good or particularly bad lines in this episode.

C: Yeah. I think for best line, I'm just gonna go with the one that I pointed out about how like, "Dean's a gift, we could pin the whole thing on him. No trial, nothing. Just one more dead scumbag." for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

G: I think my best line is "Hilts - It's a street. Ashland. - McQueen." Because, as I said- I mean, I think it's pretty evident, the way I commentarized on it earlier - [laughing] is commentarized a word? I think it's just commented. [both laugh] No, I commented on earlier that I was super excited about the idea of Sam and Dean having like, a language of their own. I mean, who isn't? When you're a kid, like, that's all you do with your siblings.

C: Yeah.

G: You make codewords and shit. And Sam and Dean are living the dream, living the brother dream.

C: [laughing] Yep.

C: Okay, for worst line, I'm gonna go with [laughing] "Then why don't you buy me another necklace, you ass!" [both laughing]

G: [laughing] I know! That's also my worst line. Literally, "why don't you buy me another necklace, you ass." So true.

C: Ugh. [laughing] The necklace should have been the "you're only gay once necklace." [G laughs]

G: Literally.

Okay, so, IMDB rating.

C: Yeah, like you said, this doesn't really have anything to do with the rest of season 2 and things that strongly borrow from other horror movies get low ratings, but I also thought it was fun and people might like that the format was shaken up a little bit this week, so I'm just gonna go with, like, what everything in season 2 has been getting, which is an 8.2.

G: I think I'll go a bit lower. An 8.1. Just because. Just to diversify our assets, as we like to say.

C: Yes.

G: Oh my god!

C: What?

G: It's an 8.6!

C: Oh, wow. Do people just really like the guest star? Like, I feel like people might be excited about that.

G: I think it's literally just because of Linda Blair.

C: Yeah. That makes sense. Deserved.

G: Let's see these reviews.

C: Yeah, people are all going like, "As soon as I saw Linda Blair pop up, I knew I was gonna enjoy this episode."

G: "Offbeat episode. It's rather fun."

C: Yeah, it is. It's offbeat and rather fun.

G: I mean, yeah, I guess. "Funny episode with a funny ending." Is this a funny episode? I mean, I guess they're committing bits. Yeah.

C: Yeah.

G: "It was funny." [laughs] Literally, this person just put the entire Linda Blair portion. Like the bit at the end. "I am hungry, and the strangest thing is I'm in the mood for peas, which is a reference to The Exorcist. She spilled a lot of green beans there. It was funny. Sorry for the misspelling." [both laugh] Me too, bro.

C: [laughing] There's a ten out of ten rating that just-

G: "How did Sam escape?"

C: Yeah, that one.

G: "Am I slow lol"

C: It's a ten out of ten rating, and all it says is, "How did Sam escape? I don't have a clue how Sam got out of the police station? Am I slow lol." [laughs] So true.

G: Literally.

This one said "It's tropey but fun," which I would agree with. Like, there's nothing wrong with being tropey if you do it well, you know?

C: Mm-hm. Yeah.

This one says, "Dean is hilarious as usual. Plus, we get to see a good amount of Sam, and he is in the background." [both laughing] They said literally Sam to is in this episode.

G: [laughing] Noo!

Yeah, I think that's it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing Season 2, Episode 8: "Crossroad Blues." Leave us a rating or a review wherever you get your podcasts.

C: Bye! [laughing] Or, no, I forgot about my part! [both laughing] Never mind! Okay! Why did I say that? Okay! Follow us on social media! [still laughing] Okay! It's because I'm so hungry. I was like, "Thank god, I can leave and get food." [laughs] No.

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