#cause most Geordies i know spell it nout and nowt is more Yorkshire. But nout just Looks Wrong to me

[thedreadvampy]

Ok so I started a big long post about my general question "if Scots is a language why isn't Geordie?" and I think I've satisfied myself that Geordie, despite having syntax and language that is substantively different from standard English, is a dialect in a way Scots isn't.

having said which. a dialect of what though? cause if we understand Scots as a separate language, I would say Geordie takes as much in common with Scots as with English (from "wee" to "fair" and "ower" and "bairn")

like the problem fundamentally is a) I'm not a linguist and b) everyone I've brought this up with seems to think I'm talking about peppering in "ha'way man wey aye pet" and not sentences like "How man but yon gadgey's a canny blatherskite like, he divvn't knaa ha to whisht"

now is that its own language? no. but there's a good chunk that's more to do with Scots than English (blatherskite; whisht; gadge is common in both Southern Scotland and North East England although that's cause it's from Romani; the opening and closing of sentences with "like", "but", "how", "aye" for intensification. "Canny" is a false friend though cause it means "clever/careful" in Scots and while it also means that in Geordie it's largely "very") and that's just a wee example of the commonalities. A lot of points where Geordie differs from standard English are commonalities with Scots (I'm thinking "corbie", "bairn", "lough", "gan", "fash", "mind", as well as a lot of the less-English sentence construction.)

idk like I can on reflection agree that Geordie isn't a language the way Scots is, but I think a lot of the kneejerk dismissal of the question has to do with the fact that people I'm talking to don't actually know Geordie as a dialect.

and I don't think it's a uniquely complex dialect to be clear, it's just the one I grew up around (although I don't speak it owerwell cause I'm posh and I say baath instead of bath and people laugh at me if I say as much as nowt or ha'way) so I know it better than like. Cockney or whatever. but I think it would have been easier for me to understand the difference between a language like Scots and a dialect like Geordie if fewer of the people I talked to thought of a dialect like Geordie as basically an accent with a few unusual words tacked on.

but I think it's taken me a really long