#can't believe I'm saying this but i was hardcore shipping straight people

[toastposts]

Just sat down and binged Murder Drones and I gotta say. There was a lot of murder. And there were drones. 👍

[thowawayuntilfurthernotice]

Alright, I got curious and read the wiki summary of the latest episode and holy shit......

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Starco was better written than this. Because as shitty as the Starco ship was, there was never this gross abusive power dynamic between Star and Marco like there is with Stolas and Blitzo.

Once again, the narrative completely downplays Stolas' objectification of Blitzo in favor of the "But he's a sad boy who just wants to be loved" archetype.

It really is the Valentino and Angel dynamic from Hazbin, but even worse.

Not gonna lie, it's kind of amazing how Helluva Boss' writing keeps getting worse with each new episode. As bad as season one was, I kind of understood why some people liked it, but season two has been complete and utter garbage for two years straight.

Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing that anybody outside of Viv's hardcore fanbase enjoys Helluva Boss.

[cakejerry]

Like you (maybe? You had put a question mark) I am jm biased as well. The reason I got into bts was because of his unique tone. I can admit that, yes, jimin has times and days where his vocals aren't up to par, but I believe that it started happening when Bh led him down that higher voice road. I am in love with jm's lower register, it's always been my favorite but the higher tone .....for some reason I don't think it's his actual voice, if it was, he would've started out with it.

I like jk as well, jk on a vocal level is good but his performances.....🥴. My time is the most cringe performance I have ever seen. I get second hand embarrassment everytime and I can't watch it fully through. The world cup performance was lack luster as well. Jk as a vocalist is good, he's stable and he has that pop boy voice but that's it. There's no flavor. There's nothing about his voice that makes me want to listen to a full album.

And I know it might seem like I'm hating...I'm really not. Like you, I voice my opinions, even if others disagree, which I know you might since it seems like you're jk biased as well. Though it seems like you're more jk biased than jm's 🤭.

Then I saw you talked about jm's stage presence.....I must say I disagree. I'm confused, honestly.

What makes you jm biased cause you don't like his stage presence, and it doesn't seem like you like his vocals......so what is it that you like about him? Is it the jikook ship or something? Maybe I'm missing something 😭

Anon you might as well dm me so we can talk 🤭 I'll try to answer every part of this

1. The lore is that I was a hardcore jimin biased army from i need u to dna, and then switched sides to become a bts hater due to an avalanche of reasons (not writing that essay here). But through that time I would occasionally check up on them or find myself thinking hmm.... Bts sure do suck, but Jungkook has done nothing wrong ever and he is the Best and most talented kpop boy in the world and I hate bts but I love him. In fact i can tell you the exact time and date this switch started happening. I was already one foot out the door at this point.

Which I guess turned out to be true 🥴 I'm in my 2nd bts era rn, I plan to catch up with everything, and the second I started consuming content again it was apparent Jimin is my actual bias, not Jungkook. (i never resented jimin but liking him and the rest of bts was very cringe. I could write an essay on this.)

2. I think jimins voice does naturally fall in the higher range. Korean karaoke machines have tone settings, to switch songs by girls to a male register and vice versa, and in in the soop they made a point that Jimin switched to a higher range and Tae was like nooo. But just because that head voice comes natural doesn't mean it's usable anywhere besides heavily processed studio adlibs. He has never been able to sing any one of his 'high notes' live and im tired of pretending he did. I do love his lower register as well, as you might've seen in my posts about 'ma city' and 'danger'. I'd love if you sent me some more examples of your favourite of his vocal moments

6. I switched to jk because of his talent but I was jm biased because of his personality and that imo is way more important when it comes to idols. It's just that some people will act fake and be like "noo jimin totallyyy sung live!! No his voice didn't crack you're an anti!!" but im straight up about it. Idc about talent (i mean it doesn't hurt that hes the second best dancer but if he danced like jin i don't think it would change my mind). I first fell in love with his fat ass and thighs, his thick lips and chipped tooth and tiny pinky finger, then realized he's a fairy angel gangyangi baby boy, the self-proclaimed fake maknae, i think he's a person born to receive love and imo the only one who seems comfortable no matter who they're paired up with in the group? Maybe that's eering into delulu teritory but I'm a big 'soft cute jimin being doted on by everybody' truther. He's mochi to me. Jikook has nothing to do with it and I only started shipping it when they MADE me ship it, with adult ceremony and saying shit like 'i want him' in that one seasons greetings dvd

3. I watched my time just for you anon, and it's not that cringe!?? Maybe bc I opened a version with eng subs and immediately clicked out and found one without, so idk the subject matter but his vocals and stage presence are great? You'll have to tell me what you dislike about it. Dreamers is just.... The "of bts" is bigger than "jungkook" and that's obvious. He definitely wouldn't be able to make it without a group, but I don't think any of them would.

4. You're absolutely right that he's flavourless!! And posting your opinions is good, you should absolutely do it publicly!!! That's the problem with being a jack of all trades- he's a master of none. I get the appeal of any of the rest of the tannies vocal tones. And literally every time there's confusion about who is singing, jungkook the chameleon is at the crime scene. He's just a blank slate in life too, it's insane. He's the only idol who can genuinely go from cutie bunny to sexy sangnamja and pull off the edgy pierced tattoed look as well as the innocent flower boy vibe. And I'm saying that sincerely. There's a reason his stereotyping in fanfic ranges so wildly, from jock to nerd and from alpha to omega. I get what you mean about not desiring a full solo album from him but I'm in the majority boat of 'as long as the song is good idc who sings it' and that's why he has the potential to do well internationaly.

5. About stage presence.... I just watched 6 hours of fancams trying to formulate my point and ended up more confused than I was before 🫠. I'll try to sum it up.

Hoseok performs like he was born to do it. His facial expressions are an equal part of his dancing as his body, and he dances like he would die of he couldn't. He's an entertainer, a performer, he's energetic and electric on the stage, and in my mind's eye I cant even imagine him slacking off the way I'm about to describe for Jimin. I wouldn't say he owns the stage, but he definitely owns the largest part of it while still working in harmony with the rest of the team.

Jungkook is an idol group Center. And I specifically mean the jpop senbatsu model, where they all dance the same dance, no formations, but there is one fixed Center for every single. Jungkook is that. He's the one who will stand in the middle, represent the group while people dance and rap to the left and right of him. He's the one who will do the basic choreography so that the rest can add their flares to it, the one who will sing the whole song in the studio so that others can give their adlibs and harmonies. He will face the public head-on and he does it great

And here is the main difference between both of them vs jimin, and in my view the most important measure of stage presence: Eyes.

Specifically, where are your eyes when the camera isn't on you?

Everyone talks about Jimin's sexy gaze. Sure, fine. He has his killer parts. He has the moments in the songs tailor made for the camera to zoom in on him and capture his sexy expression. But... When that camera leaves and moves on to the next member... The audience is still there. And that's what Jimin seems to forget.

His default seems to be looking at the floor. He often seems like he's there just to dance, like he's counting the beats in his head, just waiting for His Part, or hyping himself up to Make A Facial Expression. His face doesn't dance like Hoseok's does, expressing the emotions of each song perfectly- he doesn't look straight on at the audience like Jungkook does, cocky and confident. He has two moods- serious and goofy. He's serious most of the time. Which means most of the time he looks and acts like a very good back up dancer, who is occasionally VERY GOOD at posing for the camera. And that's my other point- his face doesn't dance, it poses. There's a reason why in my time in the fandom I always saved fantakens of him but never watched any fancams. He's good at Posing. And making that face. And raising that eyebrow, or winking, or splaying out that tongue (something he does A Lot). He's good at being coquettish and flirty and inviting. For a few seconds before he gets... Embarrassed. It's all so scripted. It's all pre-planned, never spontaneous like H and Jk seem to be.

As I said, I watched fancams up to dna + fake love and boy with luv. Reflective on my opinion on him as a whole, I think he does marginally better in concepts like bwl, where he doesn't feel the pressure of being sexy- he can play around a bit and be goofy. Nothing is more emblematic of this than his war of hormone era fancams, which I watched and literally GASPED because.. That's what I want from him!!! Always!!!! That playfulness, that flirting with the audience, not just the camera!!! If you're still reading this, please go watch a woh era jimin fancam. It will change your life.

So I guess you can say I'm being too subjective and some people will find his blank expression and dead eyes very sexy. Sure. But I will forever prefer him SMILING to him doing any other expression (which all seem to blur into nothing) and I sincerely hope in my journey through the rest of their career I will find more instances of him owning the stage. I'll update. But having seen snippets of like crazy and some other songs... I doubt it 😔

[sizzlingpatrolfox]

Heyy I read your answers here and there and also some replies to other blogs what those make me wonder are that do you actually ship them( jikook) I mean do you believe it hardcore or do you think nah they not more then platonic lol sorryy I don't mean to be rude here or something just curious also I would want to know your side on jikook more often I hope you post more of your asks and stuff💜

Have a good day/night.

Hiiii. I mean I do believe they love each other and within their group they're definitely the most compatible people, at least within BTS, Jimin and Jungkook are for each other that person you could spend hours and days and weeks with and never get tired or bored of them.

I can't say if that means romance to them, tho.

I would say I'm more of a maybe they are together, maybe they aren't together. After the hickey what I know for sure is that none of the two are straight. But even if two guys are LGBTQ and they happen to be friends and get along really well, doesn't necessarily mean they're dating or they're in a full on relationship. Chemistry =/= relationship.

Thank you so much! Good day or good night to you too 💪

[teecupangel]

I love how the FB one is for a group called Da Vinci secret lover not-Salai. It implies there's an FB group called Da Vinci secret lover so have this:

(I guess this is either reddit or LiveJournal?)

Title: Did something happen in the Da Vinci secret lover FB group?

Original Post (u/hamletbetterthanlionking)

Hey, anyone knows why this FB community is now private? Not a big fan of LeoSal but they have the best Da Vinci memes so I kinda lurk every week or so (Screenshot of FB page:

Da Vinci secret lover

About:

We are a community of like-minded individuals who believe that Leonardo Da Vinci's model Salai was his secret lover. Here we post evidences, fan works, edits and memes. Everyone is welcome.)

Top Reply (u/deadspacebestspace):

Hey, op. I'm a member of the group and I can help you get invited. The mods are limiting new people right now because of an incident with the secret vampire lover fans.

Reply (u/hamletbetterthanlionking): thanks! is it okay to ask what the incident was?

Reply reply (u/deadspacebestspace): well, some hardcore Da Vinci x Secret Vampire Lover (what are they calling the pairing? leovamp?) fans linked a post from tumblr about how LeoSalai is toxic and stuff. Mods had to lock that post and delete it afterward because everyone was just fighting. The comments were a warzone. It was the clorith/clofa shipping war of the art world condensed in one FB group. Anyway, after it got deleted, more people started spamming the group with leovamp posts and mods had to ban them (i don't know how many were banned and how many left the group but the group lost like 100 people or something). So the group's private and you need a longtime member to vouch for you when you try to join now.

Reply reply reply (u/steponmekonata): i can't believe we're getting flame wars over leonardo da vinci's love life. what a time to be alive

Reply reply reply (u/bestboihaste): Can someone link the Tumblr post that sparked the flame wars? I find myself quite curious.

Reply reply reply reply (u/deadspacebestspace): Here you go. (link)

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OH MY GOD. THIS IS LIKE THE WORST TAKE OF ALL:

(screenshot (i seriously want it to be kotaku because this is the kinda shitty clickbait title they'll do):

Why Leonardo's Secret Vampire Lover IS NOT Leonardo's True Love

)

To all my mutuals who follow me for destiel, im sorry but mama needs to cut some bitch

(screenshot:

Leonardo only made sketches of this man while Salai was the model for the nude version of Mona Lisa Monna Vanna

(one of Ezio's sketches side by side of Monna Vanna)

)

First of all, those sketches look so much more intimate than the sketches Leonardo made of Salai. AND of course you'll pick the sketch where secret vampire lover is looking away and not the one where he's smiling straight at the artist OR THE ONE WHERE HE'S NAKED AND OBVIOUSLY HAVING AFTER-SEX COMA.

Second of all, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. Those are the sketches they found. There was no mention that they were the only ones made of him. THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES WE FOUND AT THE MOMENT.

(edit: thanks @sterekwoffwoff for providing this link of possible ACTUAL WORK that can be found in Abstergo's private offices - SOMEONE CALL ABSTERGO AND LET PROFESSIONAL ART CRITICS VALIDATE THEM)

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#anyone who says leosalai wasnt toxic i will fight you #leonardo was salai's sugar daddy #did you even look at how secret vampire lover looks in all of these sketches #if that isnt love then love doesnt exist #fuck abstergo #da vinci vampire lover stan #da vinci vampire lover #leonardo da vinci #da vinci secret lover not-salai #wanted da vinci boy #abstergo being shady af

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Maybe you guys haven't heard but someone uploaded the security cam videos Erudito leaked yesterday. They show some paintings that look A LOT like secret vampire lover

(YOUTUBE IMAGE OF THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR COPYRIGHT BLAHBLAH)

Update: Abstergo's got YouTube taking every upload down so I uploaded it here (sorry for the quality)

(SECURITY CAM VIDS)

#i dont care if erudito got these illegally #abstergo being shady af #dl the video and post them yourselves #keep circulating the tapes #they cant silence all of us #release the artworks abstergo #da vinci vampire lover stan #da vinci vampire lover #leonardo da vinci #da vinci secret lover not-salai #wanted da vinci boy #fuck abstergo

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Just wanted to share the best tags

#leosalai is toxic af #salai literally stole leonardo's money and gambled it all away #ngl im a leovamp fan cause those sketches are hotter than monna vanna #i really think leonardo lost secret vampire lover #like maybe he died or he's really a vampire and he left leonardo because he wanted to suck his blood #salai is like rebound

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Oh my god. You guys are insane

(screenshot of AO3:

1 - 20 of 121 Works in Leonardo Da Vinci/Secret Vampire Lover)

#there are 110 works with the tag Vampire AU #oh my god why is hurt and comfort 119? #leovamp fans are you okay??? #da vinci vampire lover #leonardo da vinci #da vinci secret lover not-salai #wanted da vinci boy ========================

Someone just made a Twilight AU with Leonardo Da Vinci and his Secret Vampire Lover and it's actually pretty good. Definitely better than Twilight

#fic rec #da vinci vampire lover #leonardo da vinci #da vinci secret lover not-salai #wanted da vinci boy

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I think everyone is focusing too much on LeoVamp that they forgot the most important thing.

(picture of Desmond's wanted photo)

WHO THE HELL IS THIS DUDE AND WHY DOES HE LOOK EXACTLY LIKE LEONARDO'S SKETCHES!

Wanted Da Vinci boy, SPEAK UP!

Reply: he can't speak up. he's hiding from everyone because abstergo wants his ass.

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GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK

(screenshot of new york times saying that the National Museum of Syria was given a journal that had the sketch of a man who looks exactly like Da Vinci's Secret Vampire Lover and they have confirmed that it is older than Leonardo's sketches)

Someone in Syria saw the news and realized his family has an old ass journal THAT JUST SO HAPPEN TO HAVE A SKETCH OF THE SAME MAN???

AND THE MAN HAS A NAME IN THE SKETCH! HIS NAME IS ALTAIR!

Reply (u/iammyancestors): It's Altaïr, not Altair.

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Hello LeoVamp nation. Apparently, Secret vampire lover's name is Altaïr. Are we accepting this?

#asking for my fic #i dont know how to feel about the name #are we calling it #leoalt #or #altleo #da vinci vampire lover #leonardo da vinci #da vinci secret lover not-salai #wanted da vinci boy

Sometimes I wonder if Leonardo made some kind of art piece of Ezio that either was not destroyed, or got lost in between their time and modern times

Imagine someone uncovering a portrait or a series of sketches of Ezio (some, perhaps, even racy) and going absolutely gaga over it

Que researchers trying to find out who the model is, as one does with da Vinci art

And then someone makes comparison between the art and that one wanted poster they have seen on news channel. Now Abstergo has some Big Contenders in their Search for Desmond

There are conspiracy theories popping up

Abstergo has to do damage control because some upstart got it into their head they wanted Desmond to get some code that da Vinci apparently came up with and passed on to his friend’s family

And because someone decided Desmond is a time traveller and Abstergo is trying to cover it up

And because Desmond is apparently the only living proof of vampires existing

…The theories just keep multiplying

Shawn may or may not fuel fire on a few of them 

[solardragun]

you know what anon? because I'm petty today I'm gonna list the fandoms where the creators and fans were bullied. if you don't know about these, you either weren't here for it or you choose to ignore it so you can prove a point to me

voltron - the most infamous fandom on this website for all the things they did to the creators and shippers. it's what started the whole ‘anti-ship’ movement with all the "anti-sheith" stuff.

game of thrones / d&d - were harassed and bullied by fans because of what they did to dany towards the end of her arc, among other things they hated them for.

rick riordan - harassed and bullied by the fans and non-fans alike. is constantly reprimanded for the way he wrote characters with adhd and dyslexia, despite the fact that he was writing those characters for his son/s that had it so they can feel represented in stories.

undertale - an artist was sent "treats" from someone that had needles in it.

steven universe - the creator was called a n*zi

hasbin hotel - vivziepop has been doxxed and threatened and harassed

game grumps - harassed when dream daddy came out and someone dug into the coding and found a supposed cult ending for one of the bachelors despite it not actually being canon to the game and was decided against

fnaf - before all the donations came out, the creator was harassed for the past years because of how many games he put out and that he was milking the series. i shouldn't have to say that death threats are wrong no matter what a person does, but apparently i do.

she-ra - source

these are the few, among the many, creators that have been harassed and bullied. if anyone has any other fandoms they can think of, feel free to add.

but anyway, my point is, rwby is not the only one. to believe so is ignorant. crwby are not the only creators who have faced hate and death threats.

none of this is right and i never condoned blatant harassment and mistreatment against crwby. i talked about how the hardcore stans can't hear a single negative thing about the show or they'll literally lose their minds.

this fandom has repeated offenses of: racism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, and so much more.

i've seen poc get talked over for having issues with the fact that many of the villains are poc, or that the wf was offensive, or that they don't believe blake is asian-coded.

i've seen mlm face horrible homophobia, especially during the whole incident with fairgame. mlm were upset about being baited, and everyone jumped them and told them to shut up and that they weren't baited and that they were deluded into thinking the ship would be canon.

people are labeled homophobic and lesbophobic for not shipping bb. people are sent death threats because they don't care for ships at all and would rather see where the story goes.

lgbt people are talked over by others when they have issues with the fact that for the past EIGHT years, we have 7 wlw-coded characters (two of which are confirmed), one trans character (confirmed), and two? confirmed mlm characters that don't have screentime and the only place you see them is in the books. lgbt have issues with this ! and everyone tells them to shut up and that they're just het and homophobic.

people have issues with this show, and when they talk about it, they're met with violence, threats, straight up bigotry. you can't sit there and tell me that you guys don't watch it blind to the issues, otherwise, this wouldn't happen.

Are you fucking serious? I cannot think of ANY other show where the creators get as much hate as CRWBY does. Not even Game of Thrones! Neath Oum has had people literally tell him his DEAD BROTHER would be disgusted by him. They have been sent DEATH THREATS because they "ruined a character" We KNOW RWBY isn't perfect but to act like we blindly ignore any issues with it? Seriously?

there are literally so many shows out there that do, you clearly weren't around in 2012 during the superwholock days when spn actors and showrunners were harassed for not making destiel canon, to the point where any female character was killed or written off because she was somehow a threat to the ship.

the people who drag monty into it and harass the writers are no better than the stans who harass other fans for merely even saying "I didn't like the way x character was treated / written" or "I don't like this ship." but I'm not talking about them, I'm not defending them.

what IM talking about is the ones who try to criticize it *fairly*. we have fans out here who try their damn best to be "nice" about their criticism because they want to be fair to the writers, but even they get told to kill themselves and to stop watching.

also, if y'all weren't watching this show blindly like you claim, then why are there still people talking over disabled/poc/lgbt who constantly point out the issues and insist they're just seeing things? why do people insist that the writing isn't ableist or harmful or racist to many out there that feel that way?

tell me again how people don't ignore the issues because they clearly do. otherwise there wouldn't be any debates about the ableism surrounding ironwood or even yang, or debates about the racism and the homophobia towards mlm and the queerbaiting in the show.

[chenoehi]

This is why I've always questioned why TK is so popular. Yes, they like to snuggle and cuddle and be cute but they remind me of two little kids having fun. I just never saw any real tension offstage and out of sight.

I'd much quicker assume vmin was real. Now there is a relationship rooted in love. They are admittedly soulmates. I don't see a lot of sexual tension otherwise I'd be head over heels, but there is an intimacy there that's closer than friends I feel like. Kind of like a could have been and maybe should have been vibe, like if they both were less than 100% straight and felt attracted to one another they'd be all for it, but I don't really see any romantic and or sexual interest vibes coming from Jimin. I do see a massive amount of affection. If I'm honest, I've wondered if maybe there have been one sided feelings involved based on personal intuition and from watching their interactions over time. I have some thoughts that delve into what's most likely fantasy so I'll keep those to myself lol

I have suspicions on the maknae line's sexualities for sure. It's speculation for speculation's sake. Basically it boils down to everyone being a hoe for Jimin (oops), but like who isn't kwim?

For the most part, I don't get the feeling Taehyung is gay at all. Maybe he's on the spectrum or maybe he wouldn't care about gender at all, but I do think he's interested in girls. It's weird. I can't really base that on much factual evidence, just the vibe I get. I don't think he should be assumed gay or labeled gay in any capacity just because of his fashion. At any rate, the TK ship has gotten more toxic over time I believe because of several things including the more obvious intimacy of Jikook, the continuous intimacy of vmin, and the absence of TK moments in off stage, real life. This would make any hardcore shipper go crazy with insecurity. Meanwhile, I haven't seen much evidence lately to suggest Tae is overly interested in anyone that way, man or woman. Who knows.

Totally unrelated, but I feel like yoonmin shippers are so chill, or at least the blogs I follow have been. And pretty much any Tae ship including vmin. It's really TK and KM that have been growing toxic that I see mainly. I've unfortunately seen times where a KM stan was quicker to lash out at vmin than a TK stan. I hate to say I don't think Tae and JK are as close as shippers make them seem because that's almost like diminishing vmin's bond in order to bolster Jikook. I'd sooner suggest a love triangle than suggest they aren't all close but even that would upset people. :)

(1/2) If I say this publicly, I know I'm going to get shit for it, but since you guys were talking about it here, I think I can send you this. I've been stanning BTS for 4 years, I'm not new in this fandom so I know how ARMY reacts to pretty much everything that happens. In my opinion Tae and Jungkook aren't as close as their shippers like to make them seem, whenever the boys get serious and talk about intimate topics, Taehyung mentions Jimin as an important person-

Taehyung mentions Jimin as the person who has ever been there for him, he always mentions him and his other friends (outside of BTS) for when he has hard times, Taehyung very rarely mentions Jungkook for something important only for playing video games or having fun, so for me it’s like, sure their relationship must be beautiful and close, but not AS close as their shippers try to make it seem. Same with Jungkook, who usually mentions Jin, Joon or Jimin so their ship isn’t ALL that for me.

Thank you so much for your sincerity and for sharing your thoughts!  And honestly, I think the same.