#c: starchild
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I’ve approached this topic before and now I want to return to it after finishing the book series. The author himself has basically admitted you can pick and choose what’s ‘canon’ or not due to the books being slightly different universes- that’s a ramble for another time but I still want to go over the sad shift that happened with Dave. I’ve said it before and I’ve seen others joke about it but it’s very clear when you’re reading Clarke did NOT want to write more than 2010. I’m not saying he got spiteful but there is definitely a disconnect.
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To me it almost feels like Dave looses his Starchild status as how he’s explained in the last two books is in a stark contrast to his initial transformation. He’s near omnipotent, a child in the scheme of things— eventually he has responsibility but for now he’s sort of left to flounder and chooses to watch earth. Now I am a fan of the dog metaphor of 2010 where he’s occasionally used but has a lot of autonomy.
In the first part of the series to me it seems that this is expressly Dave just transformed whereas later he’s a mind copy tool. (Though still Dave in a lot of ways that autonomy and ability to move freely is GONE he’s tied to the monolith). Again I think a lot could be done with this concept but it goes back and sort of rewrites where he’s not “ascended” but a slave.
It’s just so sad because there is a lot going for both concepts but little payoff ultimately, however enough of me complaining… here’s some angst.
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There’s something so tragic about Dave in that we know him more as a legend than we ever did know him as a man. He’s young, ambitious and great at his work- he hopes to go to the beach when he comes home, he wants to live comfortably and looks out for his crew members. He had a sad life but found joy in his profession and then he has the worst few months of his life and dies- and depending on which you follow is reborn or copied.
He becomes a name to be invoked. A missing astronaut. The “Bowman thing”. Starchild. Hell! He’s basically the local cryptid of Ganymede.
He is a constant throughout the series because he haunts the narrative. Not fully gone but a ghostly god figure who wants so desperately to remember himself - who’s attached to his fading humanity.
It’s a shame because this haunting is a light one. I wasn’t looking about invoking his name as he’s basically a helper god. What’s sad to me is that it isn’t explored as a genuine loss or charecter trauma but instead he’s just a plot device.
Halman is more of a plot device than a character (and I fully believe it was also Halman in 2061 just there wasn’t a name for them yet. As it’s just ‘yeah Hal’s here say hi Hal’ and that was it)
It’s just such a shame as David Bowman is a character filled with trauma and potential. While I would’ve preferred to follow the initial Starchild being, as him watching over earth and discovering what he is and you know like thematic significance of clinging to humanity etc. The tool idea is also fascinating but I would’ve preferred to explore it more… unfortunately tool was taken a little too literally and he’s a plot device.
I don’t know- canon is what you make it in this series, it’s not like I can’t write what I want to see (and I’m going to). It’s just a shame is all.
#wish I could be coherent#2001 a space odyssey#2001 aso#dave bowman#David bowman#Starchild#the monolith#2001 meta#arthur c clarke#space odyssey series#2010 the year we make contact#2061 odyssey three#3001 the final odyssey#halman#essay
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(Some minor Arcane spoilers but not really???)
Ok this is speaking as a fan P5R's 3rd Semester but all this debating on Arcane's latest episode, namely regarding Viktor and Jayce, is giving me major deja vu... I'm serious, I'm picking up similar vibes as the whole debate about Maruki's reality along with its endings. Just been having that feeling is all along with war flashbacks...
#persona 5#p5#persona 5 royal#p5r#starchild rambles#p5r spoilers#arcane#league of legends arcane#like god damn the reading comprehension I'm picking up (both good and bad) is nuts on Twatter#you know the kind of takes like: 'character a is evil b/c they destroyed this idealistic world based on heaven/garden of eden'#'where there's no suffering even though said world has explicitly shown SERIOUS red flags that weren't subtle sometimes'#so on and so forth so to speak#i just find it a little funny but also not surprised#eh what are you gonna do I guess
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I think these little guys are pretty neat!
More dragon Iris concept art featuring the ever so lovely @charleecat-bat ’s oc Rhett 🤩
#what can I say I’m a sucker for them echidnas#absolutely love Charlee’s ocs sm 💕#Rhett the Echidna#✨Starchild Iris#what a concept#d i s s o c i a t i o n s t a t i o n#wanna hold all the echidnas in my hands :3c
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No thoughts, just Renny Hax and their baby being sleepy
#💚 || sims 4#{ okay NOW i go to bed }#{ i imagine hax is extra tired b/c healing alex on top of having to run home and take care of baby }#💛 || .hax#🌟 || the starchild
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peter, don't you dare make me emotional with your stupid goodbye :ccc
#the man has such a huge place in my heart i will miss him :c#like... because of him one of my childhood dreams was to become the german commentator of the esc one day :cc#eurovision#esc 2023#starchild commentary
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local man trying to take a bath bc target had bath bombs on sale and i took advantage but instead all i could think about is the juxtaposition of ME!harry growing up and harboring anger at norman for fucking dying to stop the reapers because it’s easier to be angry than it is to admit your dad was too scared to be there more, and died before he had a chance to make good on his word, and that it wasn’t really his fault while also never knowing that when the catalyst explained how everything worked and norman stood there and heard
“you will die.” “you will die.” “you will die.”
after every explanation, that he lost it. but he was too exhausted and half dead to manifest the anger and instead all he said was, “no, that’s not right. that’s not fucking right, there was supposed to be more time. i told him there’d be more time.”
#txt.txt#c: reason in madness#I LIKED THIS BETTER WHEN I WAS LIKE HEEHEEHOOHOO HOW MANY GENOCIDES IS NORMAN GOING TO DO#'oh what if i could work harry into norman shep's lore for funsies' WHOSE FUNSIES. THIS ISN'T FUNSIES ANYMORE.#fucking starchild like cool story bro but if you don't pick a color i'm nuking all of your squishy asses into the next cycle
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The star child
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HERE HAVE ANOTHER 💜💜
FUCKING SCREAMING AND CRYING 💜💜
#HE'S SO PERFECT I FUCKING C A N T#{StarChild}#good screenshots of a moving video are hard#I'm trying guys
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hey arthur c clarke did you really need to refer to starchild david bowman as a dog on a leash three separate times in odyssey 2
#talkin#2001 a space odyssey#guy with a puppy boyfriend whenever someone is referred to as a dog in a work of fiction Ö
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Handy
Lila glared at Marinette as she complained to Alya about something boring; she was sure of it. She could see the frustration radiating off the baker's daughter. Marinette put her head in her hands from something Alya voiced. The daughter of the bakers lifted her hand and shook them in front of her, as she continued to complain.
'How dare she!'
"Are you mocking me?" Lila questioned, walking up towards them.
"Huh?" Marinette asked, confused, turning to Lila.
"You were doing this" the Italian girl lifted her hands, towards her and shook them, "when you talk."
Marinette giggled, "Really? I never noticed."
"You totally do." Alya commented and then winced, "Mostly when you get frustrated and trying to get your point across."
"Marinette, it's really insensitive of you to make fun of me and my heritage." Lila whined.
"What are you-" Mari began.
"It's an Italian thing." the model explained.
Marinette shrugged, "I probably get it from my Nona then."
"Your what?" Lila demanded.
"My Nona." Marinette repeated.
"You're not Italian!" Lila shouted.
Adrien quickly situated himself besides Marinette, "Technically, she's a quarter Italian. We've all met her Nona at her birthday, last year. You'd like her a lot, Lila. You have so many things in common."
Marinette smiled, "My Nona travels all year long. She goes to exotic places and lives with the natives. Usually, she sends me gifts from her travels."
"When is she coming back?" Adrien questioned.
"She's been coming back for my birthdays, now. Last time, she thought I was still three years old and wasn't sure how to deal with me being grown up. Most of the time we just talk on the phone." Mari answered.
"This one time, I went to the Sahara Desert and-"began Lila.
"That's nice, Lila." Adrien interrupted, "Marinette, where did your Nona go this time?"
Marinette chewed her lower lip for a moment, "I think the Amazon. She likes to go there a lot. Surprising, really; she usually has her bike with her."
"I've been to the Amazon Jungle." Lila smiled, "There's plenty of room for bicycles."
"Bike as in motorcycle." Adrien stated, making the liar falter and then turned back to Marinette, "I've seen you on your Nona's. Do you know how to ride a motor-"
"I do!" Lila chimed in.
"No one asked you!" Adrien declared, "I'm trying to talk to Marinette, but you keep interrupting us! This is an A and B conversation. C your way out of it!"
Adrien grabbed Marinette's hand and pulled her out of the classroom. Before Lila could complain, the class began to cheer.
"It was so great of you to pretend to be jealous!"
"You actually made Adrien take Marinette somewhere alone!"
"I never thought you would annoy him in the best way possible!"
"We should have kept them apart sooner!"
"Yeah!"
"Who knew Adrien was the jealous type."
"Great thinking, Lila."
Lila could only smile, as everyone praised her. Meanwhile, she was screaming internally. She had come out looking like a person who was helping Adrien and Marinette get together. That was the last thing she wanted to happen!
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#mochinek0#lila rossi#marinette dupain cheng#alya cesaire#sterotypes#adrien agreste#helpful lila#accident#class sugar#adrienette#matchmaker lila
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Get to Know Me and My Obsession with KISS 🎸
1. Who is your favorite member?
Eric Singer
2. Who is your least favorite member?
Vinnie Vincent
3. Best album?
Destroyer
4. Worst album?
Animalize
5. Favorite song?
There are too many good ones
6. Say one nice thing about each member.
Gene- Super charming
Paul- Super charming
Peter- Super Sweet
Ace- Super Sweet
Eric C- Super funny
Eric S- Super nice
Bruce- Super funny
Tommy- Hot
Mark St. John- Super nice
Vinnie- Super nice
7. What do you dislike about each member?
Gene- Egotistical
Paul- Egotistical
Peter- Hateful
Ace- Spiteful
Eric C- Negative
Eric S- Negative
Bruce- Truthful
Tommy- Awkward
Mark St. John- Dumb
Vinnie- Idiot
8. How did you get into KISS?
Scooby-Doo And Kiss: Rock and Roll Mystery
9. Have you been to a concert?
I have been to nine. Fort Wayne on August 12, 2016, London on July 11, 2019, Tampa on October 9, 2021, KISS Kruise IX & X Sail Away, the indoor concerts, Indiana on November 25, 2023, and the KISS 2020 Goodbye show.
10. Do you have any merch?
Not nearly enough
11. Unique thing you have related to KISS?
I have a really long tongue like Gene Simmons. I was onstage with him in Anderson Indiana, but Gene kicked me off the stage for upstaging him
12. Who is/are your favorite lineup(s)?
Gene, Paul, Eric C, & Bruce
Gene, Paul, Eric, & Bruce
Gene, Paul, Eric, & Tommy
13. What's your favorite era?
Revenge Era
14. What are your opinions on Tommy and Eric?
Love them. They are a lot better than Peter and Ace (in my opinion)
15. A question you would ask the band if you could?
What was the idea behind the song “Take It Off”
16. What other bands/artists are you into?
Alice Cooper, Ghost, The Beatles, Elvis, Black n Blue, Union, ESP, Mötley Crüe, Liliac,
17. Do you have a KISSona?
The Catman
18. Who are some of your favorite blogs?
@2000-man1, @comets-nix, @tanookikiss, @sluttery-withoutshame, @catmansdrumsticks, @daddycatcriss, @eric-carr-the-fox, @ericsinger
19. If you could spend a day with one member who would it be?
Eric Singer
20. How would you explain the band to someone who isn't familiar with KISS?
KISS is an iconic rock band known for their elaborate stage makeup, flashy costumes, and energetic performances. Formed in the 1970s, they're recognized for hits like "Rock and Roll All Nite." Their unique personas, like Gene Simmons' Demon and Paul Stanley's Starchild, contribute to their larger-than-life image, making them a significant influence on the glam metal genre.
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Ok that’s another thing-
In 2001 it sort of implies Dave could close his eyes and concentrate and essentially be across the known universe in seconds. If he wanted to be.
As the series goes on he and the literal alien gods are apparently limited to speeds that are slightly slightly more elevated than ours as it’d still take him a long Ass time to get to the admin just he can afford it because immortality???
Really if we remembered this he could just pop over and go “hey that’s going to be a No on the kill order” and we could spare the save the world plot because the fact that you can defeat them/they’re something to be defeated goes against???? Everything? But I’m saying in a — dhdjsnsmsms
#look I love the series it just hurts my head so much#I wish it would’ve kept to the 2001/2010 version of a star child he’s still controlled but sort of himself#I love the recording/study detail of the later books but everything else— no-#world if it was only the two books dream world#2001 a space odyssey#2001 aso#3001 the final odyssey#dave bowman#the monolith#arthur c clarke#Starchild#halman
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While I do admittedly have an occasional preference myself I honestly think every fan's interpretation of Lilith (at least until canon says otherwise) are very, very valid and based!
As long as nobody trying to force them on anyone or act like their ideas of her are better/more canon then I don't see the harm!
A parent just as flawed as Lucifer and genuinely loved her family? Based!
A terrible parent just as guilty of Charlie's issues? Sure!
A more cold and distant parent? Ok!
A completely more sinister/suspicious figure who becomes more antagonistic with her own plans? Yes!
Al's deal holder? Interesting!
A more nuanced well-intentioned figure? Tell me more!
It's all too vague to know for certain so it's very fun seeing what folks come up with and analyze with her!
You guys have ideas about her character, even I have ideas about her based on my own experiences! That's what makes it all fun!
#starchild rambles#hazbin#hazbin hotel#lilith#hazbin hotel lilith#I just like seeing the different takes on her despite my own preferences#like I'm more interested in her being more of a sinister figure or just as guilty of charlie's issues#(not JUST Lucifer b/c he ain't perfect either basically a twist that she has more mommy issues since I've been starting to wonder that)#or in the case of my crossover AU with P5R more of a well-intentioned extremist kind of antagonist#who believes her idea of rehabilitation would work more and is more efficient compared to Charlie's#not (or refuses to) understanding that it's at the cost of choice and empathy (I've seen HCs that she has siren abilities)#shit ok I better stop rambling about mine!#TL;DR All Lilith ideas are valid!
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🍎🍍🍋🍐 and🍈 ^W^
🍎 Is there anything you straight-up won’t write?
When I first started writing I said I would only write Paul/Gene and I wouldn't do AUs, and now I have two AUs planned and am branching out in my pairings, so I won't say never, but gender switching, mpreg and non con isn't something that appeals to me.
🍍 What kind of AUs do you like? Are there any AUs you hate or just generally have beef with?
Initially I wasn't interested in AUs, but when I saw my mutuals were writing them, I read them, and found I enjoyed them. My AU I'm working on is a Prince Starchild/Demon, and I'd like to do something set in medieval times as well. Gender swaps don't really appeal to me (I like the boys as they are), but at the same time I have read a couple I loved, so I can't say that there are any I hate.
🍋 What’s your favorite spicier trope to write?
Friends to lovers and angst/comfort with the comfort being sex
🍐 Is there anything in canon that you absolutely hate and love to fix in fics? A wrong choice made, a fuck-up in characterization, a misunderstanding never cleared up, a conversation never shown onscreen, etc…
I'd love to write Paul getting some proper comfort following his car crash, but I feel like doing that would be disrespectful of his experience. I'd also want to give him a closer relationship to Eric C, I think they were really very much alike.
🍈 Who’s your blorbo and what are some of your favorite headcanons/ideas about them that repeatedly show up in your fics? Free pass to rant about blorbo opinions.
PAUL! There's his sensitivity, anxiety, perfectionism, fear of failing or being alone, struggles with communication and expressing his needs and emotions, but that is pretty canon. It hasn't come up a lot in the fics I've done so far, but some of my wips have him unsure of how to express platonic love because of not having friends growing up, so the only way he knows how to show his friends he loves them is sexualy.
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Being part kobold and part celestial and also hatched from an egg, Taygete will most likely develop movement a lot faster than the average baby. She might even be sitting up and rolling around by the end of next week. Two weeks, and she might even start crawling. It'll take longer for her to walk, but movement is pretty important early on for kobolds.
Hax was skittering around by four weeks as a baby, and walking came at a normal rate about a year later.
In short: Movement and basic communication are sped up for some daemons (and half daemons) to get them functional before aging slows down at 5 years and continues at 500
#💚 || lore#🌟 || about#{ its a mercy for parents b/c 100 years of infant can be a lot even for long lived folks }#{ and also some are faster like eath was running by the end of the day she was born b/c goat }#🌟 || the starchild
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Hit 'em with the hcs beam please /nf
Unnamed Little Cutie from @littlest-bugz is a feminine trans boy, boyprincess, puppyboygender, dinoboy, starchild, a daydreamer gay, on the ace spectrum, and potenromantic!
They use the pronouns He/They/Paw/Auti/Dino/Pup/Star/Angel. Only close friends may use feminine terms on pup.
Paw has autism, ADHD, C-PTSD, P-DID, social anxiety, insomnia, chronic fatigue, and chronic pain!
OCs may now be submitted to the headcanon game!
#seraphimsystem#from namida#seraphim hc ask game#littlest-bugz#oc#oc headcanons#oc original character#original oc#oc stuff
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