#but the writing choices suggest that neil didn't trust the audience to stay on cesare's side unless juan was turned into a caricature
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i was digging through old blogs and then flashbacked that ironic aspect of the fandom when the show was still airing, and tbh it was interesting how people who were biased against juan defended neil jordan from those who rightfully criticized him for disingenuously nerfing his character in his final ep by throwing juan's development (returning from spain as a shaped up and secure of his bastardy especially after becoming a father) completely out the window just to make him sabotage his relationships with his mother and sister beyond hope. he was suddenly portrayed in the worst light possible just to ensure that cesare's actions would appear somehow justified to the audience when he kills him. yet after the s4 script dropped the same people who had defended neil jordan at the time crashed out and became his most obnoxious haters for some of his writing choices for cesare and lucrezia's relationship (such as nerfing the incest and having cesare betray lucrezia which leads her to attempt to kill him). like they clearly selectively accepted questionable writing when it benefited the narrative they wanted to push then objected when similar writing choices affected the narratives they favored. meanwhile i was an unbiased fan who loved cesare and lucrezia's incestuous relationship as well as juan's character, and i didn't like how neil jordan diminished either of them. you just had to be there etc.
#well fuck i didn't mean for this to be lengthy but yeah fascinating stuff all around#like neil is great and writes the best dialogue but he sucks at certain aspects and but still he doesn’t deserve any hate#like it was about time they understood that neil jordan heavily depended on fan opinion by halfway through s2#nj chose the incest route for fanservice (i was the target audience) but then he decided to turn around and cater to those who hated incest#catering to vocal fans who hated incest is crazy work and it also parallels his catering to vocal juan haters#and francois slammed the incest haters with “hey this is not a documentary !!” “is incest worse than murder?”#also see how micheletto was beyond woobified while juan was unjustly vilified? twt/livejournal fans preferred his brotp with cesare more !!#the other irony is that ces is such a fascinating char in his own right that he didn’t need juan to be diminished for his story to work#when a character is too protected by the narrative it can make them feel less authentic + more like a product of the writer's manipulation#and juan being flattened made ces killing him easier + an inevitable decision. a foregone conclusion the show needed us to accept#like the fratricide could've been far more tragic and emotionally complex and haunting (it's still haunting to an extent re: juan's speech)#but the writing choices suggest that neil didn't trust the audience to stay on cesare's side unless juan was turned into a caricature#tbh it's a shame because cesare could've been even more compelling if the show had trusted the audience to handle an evil character#instead of spoon-feeding them a clear “villain” vs. “hero” setup every damn time (bold ass emphasizes villain and hero here btw)#alright that's enough bitterness for today dhdhsjf#the borgias#neil jordan#juan borgia#tb text post
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