#but omg i need to draw them the descriptions r so interesting

[kittyissorad]

the greek class bc there isnt enough art of them all standing in a line side by side yet apparently

[tobeornottotc]

Demian Analysis BTS and Love your self

Demian Analysis BTS

This is a brain dump this means that there is a lot of just spurred notes here and there analysing the BTS theories,  I will be doing more brain dumps like these to get to the root of the story before Love yourself the film  airs next year

Extracts describing Demian in bold are from Sparknotes

Let me know your own theories and how you think the storyline began and ended, because the timeline is what’s throwing me off a lot.

Thanks R.

Cain and Abel- Jealousy, Betrayal, Brotherhood, Youth

The first episode occurs when Sinclair is ten years old. Sinclair invents a story about stealing some apples and is then blackmailed by an eleven year old thug, Franz Kromer. Not having enough money to pay off Kromer, Sinclair begins to steal and is otherwise subjected to tormenting humiliation by Kromer. A slightly older, but amazingly mature boy, Max Demian, soon enters Sinclair's school. He approaches Sinclair one day after class and presents him with an inventive interpretation of the story of Cain and Abel. This interpretation contradicts the standard Christian story Sinclair has been fed and the new idea excites Sinclair. Seemingly knowing everything, and with unbounded capability, Demian convinces Kromer to stop tormenting Sinclair. Freed from the source of his tensions, Sinclair abandons Demian and attempts to become a more model child.

Apples- Jimin is the start of everything linked to Jin as well - Apples are a huge sign of tortured child hood, linked to Adam and Eve and temptation, sin etc… Jimin’ story whatever it is gonna deal with all these feelings and I think that the Cain and Abel storyline might also be linked to him and Jhope’s storyline.

Demian- Each character in Bts HYYH has their own duo for Demian apart from Jin who I believe is meant to be Abraxas

Suga is Demian to Jung kook

R.M is Demian to V

J Hope and Jimin are connected as well

   But what is maturity though?

Focus of this Brain dump is Jung Kook and Suga – Growth and Independence

In HYYH the boys delve into many situations linked to their “Demian figure” Suga is always by Jung kook’s side and always like a calming influence but then suddenly it changes and Suga breaks down beating up Kook and also burning down everything after we see him in the hospital waiting room waiting for someone who we now know from love your self is Jung kook. The reason Kook got in the hospital is because he got into a car accident and pre accident Kook is seen to be beat up again. Kook definitely is young Sinclair in awe of his Demian. He paints pictures of Suga and shakes his head in fear and pain screaming Hyung, his solo song for Wings Era is a song praising friendships between boys and how relationships can help someone grow.

He approaches Sinclair one day after class and presents him with an inventive interpretation of the story of Cain and Abel. This interpretation contradicts the standard Christian story Sinclair has been fed and the new idea excites Sinclair. Seemingly knowing everything, and with unbounded capability, Demian convinces Kromer to stop tormenting Sinclair. Freed from the source of his tensions, Sinclair abandons Demian and attempts to become a more model child.

So is this one of the reasons why Suga and Kook fall out, because as Kook sings in Begin, he’s like a young baby bird (which is why the image at the end of his video reel is the birds nest circle thing) who just started to grow because of his friends and Suga especially. You notice when he paints in his video Kook sees a piano in flames and that’s what causes him to start actively screaming in pain Hyung. But also the weird thing about the image he’s painting Is that it also looks very similar to Rap Monster who I can’t help link for Kook’s p.o.v as Alfons who would be discussed later,  in Demian. Rap Monster’s influence is heavily subtle yet seen as we watch I need you and the videos from HYYH, and I feel like he is one of those influences that causes Junkook to also start to spiral. In Blood sweat and tears you see Kook putting his finger to his lips in what looks to be like the green absinthe drink that Rap Monster was drinking and then you see him well, hanging from the ceiling etc… Etc.  

We get to know Max Demian only through the eyes of Emil Sinclair. Since Sinclair sees Demian as almost divine, Sinclair would not be one to critique Demian, to offer deep insights into his personality, to see how Demian grows and changes. Thus, in Demian, Demian remains a fairly static character. This is just as well—Demian's function in the novel is to help Sinclair break free of his upbringing. Demian is Sinclair's guide through life. He watches out for him when he is being blackmailed by Kromer and offers him intellectual excitement. Demian teaches Sinclair to think differently, to discover himself and his desires. Demian is there for Sinclair during the final period of time when he is becoming independent. Finally, when Sinclair has broken free, become an independent being, Demian leaves him. Demian's purpose is to make sure Sinclair develops. Once Sinclair is equipped to handle the world on his own, to act in accord with his desires, Demian's purpose is fulfilled, his mission accomplished. He has no more use in Sinclair's life—he must leave Sinclair alone.

I do think that reading from this description of Demian that yes Suga is Kook’s Demian figure and his own storyline in the ‘arc’ heavily influences the reason for why he does breakdown and abandon Kook at the end.

Sinclair enters boarding school, confused and unsure of what he thinks and believes. One day he is approached by an older boy, Alfons Beck, who invites him to a bar. They go off together, drink wine, and chat. This marks the beginning of a rebellious streak and a new group of friends for young Sinclair. He often goes out late into the night, drinking and carousing. However, he refrains from one of the activities popular among his friends: he refuses to go with them when they visit women because Sinclair has a yearning for love, not sex. One day in the park, Sinclair sees a girl who is, for him, the paradigm of beauty. She has some male features, but is surrounded by an incredibly alluring air. Though he never speaks to her, he names her Beatrice, and she becomes a symbol for him, an ideal for whom he acts. Immediately he reforms his behaviour and ceases his activities with his friends. Also, he begins to take up painting and paints a picture of this girl. Days later he realizes that the picture is also a picture of Demian.

Yearning for Love, the new era we are in is called Love yourself, in the highlight Reel we see Kook see a girl figure and be dazzled by her. Like Omg she’s Beatrice, 100% and I think people seriously need to understand that she is not meant to be the reason for why she loves himself but she’s meant to be an ideal for him not being himself and she’s meant to also I think be a representation of his obsession of Suga who is his role model and inspiration etc…

 Jin as Abraxas

In class one day, Sinclair finds a note that speaks about breaking free. Also, it mentions a god, Abraxas. Sinclair is certain that the note is from Demian. Only half paying attention to the day's lecture, Sinclair perks up when he hears his teacher mention Abraxas. The teacher says that Abraxas is an ancient God who contains both divine and satanic elements.

I mean it when I say I think Jin represents the idea of Abraxas for the theories. We see Jin sometimes struggle between being angelic figure, sees the future, is always kissing fallen angel statues, wanting to reach the sky, the butterfly, etc seeing paintings etc. But then you also see a dark element around him, the paintings he’s looking at are of chaos, his stares of in the darkness, his dark looks etc…  His song awake is about wanting to break free and reach the sky limits but not being able to, the idea of a fallen angel in my opinion which is why the mirror image of the fallen angel in blood sweat and tears occur with the statue breaking and Jin’s face breaking too…

Strolling about town one day, Sinclair hears music emanating from a small, locked church. He is moved by it and sits outside to listen for a while. He does this many times and eventually decides to trail the organist as he leaves after playing on one occasion. Sinclair follows him to a bar and sits beside him. They begin to chat and Sinclair mentions Abraxas. At once, the organist, Pistorius, takes a great interest in Sinclair. This is the start of an intense relationship between the two men. Pistorius becomes a mentor to Sinclair, helping him to learn further things about himself and teaching him a bit about Abraxas.

Pistorius= Suga again I think this one is obvious though

Sinclair begins to see that Pistorius has limitations. He tells Pistorius that he is too "antiquarian." He brings Pistorius to recognize that he can only teach Sinclair about old gods and ideas of the past—he is not creative enough to invent new ones. Their relationship ends as Sinclair ends his time at preparatory school. Before entering university, Sinclair visits Demian's old house. There, the new owner shows him a picture of Demian's mother. Sinclair realizes that she looks exactly like the portraits he has been drawing, and he unsuccessfully searches for her.

MAMA and LIE

This is linked to J hope as it is shown in one of the music videos that he suffers from a syndrome:

 Munchausen's syndrome

People with Munchausen's syndrome can behave in a number of different ways, including:

Pretending to have psychological symptoms – for example, claiming to hear voices or claiming to see things that aren't really there

Lying about symptoms – for example, choosing symptoms that are difficult to disprove, such as having a severe headache or pretending to have a seizure (fit) or to pass out – Which I think is why Jimin is linked in that hospital scene to Jhope.

Tampering with test results – for example, heating a thermometer to suggest a fever or adding blood to a urine sample

Self-infliction – for example, cutting or burning themselves, poisoning themselves with drugs, or eating food contaminated with bacteria

Aggravating pre-existing conditions – for example, rubbing faeces into wounds to cause an infection, or reopening previously healed wounds

Some people with Munchausen's syndrome may spend years travelling from hospital to hospital feigning a wide range of illnesses. When it's discovered they're lying, they may suddenly leave hospital and move to another area.

People with Munchausen's syndrome can be very manipulative and, in the most serious cases, may undergo painful and sometimes life-threatening surgery, even though they know it's unnecessary.

THE PILLS and JIMIN AND WATER / DROWNING - Signs of this syndrome occurring

Causes of this syndrome:

·         Emotional trauma or illness during childhood – this often resulted in extensive medical attention- Jhope losing his mum that near that carousel

·         A personality disorder – a mental health condition that causes patterns of abnormal thinking and behaviour

·         A grudge against authority figures or healthcare professionals- I think this is why Jimin was smirking and acting weird in lie when he’s being interrogated and tested.  The idea of HYYH is also the idea of the distance between modern youths and adults, which is why they are seen terrorising everywhere and going crazy and being rebellious.

 Back to Kook/Suga

Sinclair soon becomes a regular in the Demian household. He is immensely happy to be spending his time with Demian, Demian's mother, and others of their type who pass through. There is, however, a note of darkness—both Demian and Sinclair have premonitions of evil to come. Talk about a war begins to brew. Sinclair spends that summer with the Demian family, further strengthening his bond with both Demian and Frau Eva. One day he summons his mental energy to telepathically call Frau Eva. She hears his call and sends Demian to him. Sinclair is ecstatic that it works.

War- War is written on the phone box that Rap monster is desperately trying to go into to get to V

A woman is involved- Yes people Eva is involved this relationship seems really paralleled not by jungkook and Suga but by jimin, jhope and the woman in their highlight reel.

War begins and Demian is called to serve as a lieutenant. Before Sinclair goes off to war, Eva tells him that he now knows how to call her and whenever he needs to, he can do so and she will send somebody like her to his side.

Sinclair is wounded in battle. He summons his energy and finds Demian by his side one night in the infirmary. Demian tells Sinclair that if he ever feels like he needs help, he no longer needs to call Demian. He simply needs to look inside himself and he will see that Demian is within him. With that, Demian gives him a light kiss on the lips—a kiss that he says is from Frau Eva—and vanishes into the night.

Wounded- The car accident

If he ever feels like he needs help, he no longer needs to call Demian. He simply needs to look inside himself and he will see that Demian is within him. – LOVE YOUR SELF THEME

Next I’ll try to analyse V and Rapmonster and what their deal is for this whole thing 

Thanks R. 

[padfootdidit]

Hey rhiannon do you have any advice on how to write a good kissing scene?

i mean, i don’t know why you chose me to answer this dear anon… but i shall try my best:

DON’TS:

“their tongues battled for dominance” (what are we?? 7??)

idk abt you, but i don’t know a lot of ppl who moan when kissing…. like mayb it is a thing, but also mayb leave the moaning for when they’re getting rlly frisky

focus just on tongues

explore their mouths……. we aren’t nicholas cage looking for treasure k? keep mouth exploring to the minimum NO MOUTH EXPLORING

just focus on the mouths and the faces and stuff (kissing involves other things)

don’t be Too Complex…. like suddenly their head is turning which way.. and their arm is Where? and they…… is this anatomically impossible? make sure stuff is logical, in sequence and Natural

DO’S:

talking!! lil broken up bits of conversation, kind of like “where do you wanna go?” *kiss kiss* “bed?” “bed.” *kiss kiss* idk, that’s just an example, but it’s difficult to keep people interested if it’s just a description of the character’s tongues

laughing!! omg there’s so much laughing and giggling involved… mayb this depends if your characters have just met or if they’ve been together a long time, but lil moments of actual Connection = gd

awkwardness and fumbling… “oops was that a boob grope, sorry, are we at this level yet???” again, depends on what stage of relationship we are talking here but, do they know each other? which way they lean? how much tongue they like? etc. it’s all part of figuring it out

the lips!! lips r Important. biting on them, if they have dry lips or soft lips, tugging on them, accidentally biting them, lips moving instead of tongues, idk but lips = Important in kissing. don’t forget abt them

have a little build up… like the reader needs to Want them to kiss….. it’s like a will they/won’t they situation, except they Know they will and they Want it 

KISSING INVOLVES OTHER THINGS: hands??? where are they?? face cupping = not always a good choice (in my personal kissing experience). are they touching the butt?? (insert age appropriate nemo meme) are they groping each other?? are they groping each other with Experience?? where is this headed?? is it a peck on the lips, but they want more? a brush of the corner of the mouth? full on Heated Make Out Sesh straight out of Angus Thongs?? remember kissing isn’t just ppls’ mouths touching.. everything touches! kissing the neck? the forehead? the cheek? thighs? go wild, but don’t forget about the rest of the body attached to the mouth :):

w/ me it’s usually not just abt kissing…. like, does this mean that they’re going out now? they’re having a one night stand? they’re trying new things? they’re used to just being friends? idk, but be inside the character’s head too! not just the kissing but the Feelings and Emotions the kissing leads to

draw on your own experience! kissed some people? watched some films? seen that one couple at school who like to make out during lunch? cringed at that couple who just met each other off the train at the station and are now trying to procreate against that pillar? (fic kissing is a bit like fanon….) whether you’ve kissed someone or just seen it, draw on that experience for movement/feeling/surroundings/naturalness etc.

does their breath smell? do their teeth knock (usually only when v Heated, and even then not often)? do they Hate lip tugging and the other person does it? do they have braces? have they kissed anyone before? just think about ur character and the setting for a bit, and try to let it come across in the kissing.. i.e a shy character might be nervous abt kissing someone for the first time etc. etc. 

have fun with it!

[anghraine]

I will never get over the "i don't believe in love at first sight / but godamn" gifset for jyn/cassian, it's perfect. also, your tags on the partisan jyn rec have me imagining a persuasion au, this time with cassian as anne and jyn as wentworth (draven as lady russell, I guess??) I love Persuasion AUs and that fic is so good :)

Heeeh, I love it!

I hadn’t really thought of the details of an alternate AU, beyond thinking that captaincy and gender aside, Wentworth (careless, impulsive, generous, spirited) is the most like Jyn, and Anne (obedient, withdrawn, intense, faithful) the most like Cassian. But I think it could work. 

(Completely scattered thoughts on the ‘how,’ but I definitely think it would be fun and interesting!)

Draven is definitely the obvious Lady Russell candidate (he could even be ambiguously positive in the way Ly R is, which would be an interesting take on him). Mon Mothma would be very interesting, too—I think she’s more of a Lady Russell-type personality (which would leave Draven as Sir Walter, omfg). And I think it would allow for some exploration of what’s the most interesting part of Persuasion for me.

The thing is, Persuasion never really answers the question of whether Anne was morally wrong or right to break off her relationship with Wentworth under Lady Russell’s influence. It feels wrong. It turned out badly. But morality is not determined by consequences alone, and here, there’s a complex system of obligations and risks at play. Anne felt an obligation to listen to Lady Russell’s advice—not to obey unthinkingly, but to strongly factor it into her decision-making process, given her own youth, Lady Russell’s role as her surrogate mother, and her deep respect for her. 

And Lady Russell was right in believing there were real risks to Anne marrying Wentworth so young, risks to any children they might have, etc. His ‘I don’t need to save anything, I’ve always been lucky, I’ll always be lucky’ shtick did him zero favours—Mr Price probably thought so, too, and the fact that Wentworth’s luck did hold is … well, lucky. “I’m going to go fight Napoleon and make a bunch of money, everything’s going to be fine” is not a compelling argument! 

On top of that, the winning point in Lady Russell’s argument—the thing that finally swayed Anne—was that the marriage would be bad for Wentworth. A young, delicate wife with no dowry and a collection of snobbish, expensive, totally douchey relatives would be a genuine disadvantage to a young sailor with no connections and no money. And that is also, in fact, perfectly reasonable.

So it’s not simply a snobbish woman dissuading a weak-willed girl who then develops a stronger sense of self through suffering and maturity. Snobbery absolutely played a part in Lady Russell’s motives—all of this would have been much less pressing if Wentworth were someone more like Colonel Fitzwilliam, who would double as a Worthy Alliance and bring powerful, wealthy relations into the picture. Anne may very well have been less swayed by Lady Russell’s arguments if she hadn’t faced uniform opposition from her family, hadn’t been so young and uncertain. But nevertheless, those arguments were largely reasonable, and in the end, Anne’s view is that she wishes she hadn’t taken Lady Russell’s advice, that she would never give the same advice, but that morally she was right to take it. 

I mean, there’s a lot going on there, ethically, and the book doesn’t offer clear conclusions. (UNCLEAR ETHICAL DILEMMAS

ANYWAY, MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS LATER, that’s not something I often see confronted, even in full-on adaptations. (Particularly, one might say. >_>) And I think it would be interesting to play with it—something where Draven/Mothma/whomever have entirely valid reasons (but also dodgy ones) for their interference, and where Cassian has a real obligation to consider their opinions, and where the killing blow (as it were) would be that he is bad for Jyn (only too easy to believe he’d find convincing!). 

It’s even … like. I can definitely see Draven being profoundly unenthusiastic about his 23-y-o prodigy spy suddenly getting entangled with a 19-y-o Partisan who is also the daughter of an Imperial collaborator. But I think it’s very possible that the likes of Mothma and Draven would probably not care that much about the flings of teens and 20-somethings. The kind of concerted, intense effort leveled against Anne in Persuasion might need something more.

But Cassian, despite his sidelines in assassination and field command, is primarily a recruiter. So. Suppose that his ostensible mission is rebuilding ties with the Partisans and working out some mutual support arrangement. But in reality, the judgment of Intelligence is that the Partisans are doomed by their extreme insularity, drastic collateral damage, unclear objectives, and attraction of Imperial attention. Coordination with the Partisans is an acceptable start, but the actual goal is to draw as many of Saw’s highly-skilled fighters into the Alliance as possible before the whole organization self-destructs or gets obliterated, but without turning Saw actively against them. 

Of course, it’s not a secret that the Alliance is generally out to peel off as many recruits as they can get, and ofc the Rebel agent is going to be trying to draw people into the Rebellion. But what they don’t know is that this is why Cassian is there. 

Okay, anyway, this is what 23-y-o Cassian is up to. It’s a task of extraordinary trust, and he’s on guard against almost everything. But falling madly in love with Saw’s foster daughter was not one of those things. And it’d be one thing if he was just pining (it would be awful, but—), but no, this ferocious, shining supersoldier is (for some reason) also in love with him. 

On top of that, they’re both very much older than their ages, but in some ways younger—they were never able to be kids, to have silly crushes, anything like that. So they’re dorky and overwhelmed and unrealistic, just swept off their feet. They hold hands and talk about … running off together? But they can’t stop fighting the Empire. Cassian would never make a Partisan, but Jyn could join the Rebellion. And then they could be together!!!

(I suspect that at heart, Jyn wants out; large-scale collateral damage is not her gig.)

Anyway, Cassian would get a very sharp reality check, because the point was to draw away as many useful soldiers as he could without completely antagonizing Saw, and wow is “seducing away his best soldier and, oh yeah, DAUGHTER” not included in that description. Of course, he’s horrified because It’s Not Like That, but also … well. Yeah. 

And while Jyn is brashly sure that of course she’ll succeed at whatever she does, she always has, he’s increasingly doubtful that she’d be at all happy in the Rebellion. The Partisans are her family, the only life she knows; she doesn’t know anyone else in the Rebellion at all, she’d chafe under the command structure, she’d lose everything, and have nothing to counterbalance it all but one tormented spy. 

They’re not going to demand that a talented soldier not join the Rebellion, of course, or involve themselves in the obvious affair. But they don’t have to; once persuaded, Cassian does the dirty work himself. He persuades Jyn to stay with the Partisans after all, breaks things off, and leaves, having carefully arranged for a good number of Partisans to defect to the Rebellion over the next several months. Jyn, naturally, feels furious and betrayed (all the more after some of her friends leave). 

And that’s where it starts, lol. Now I’m thinking—like, taking ‘little sister’ and running with it, Sophy would be Baze and Admiral Croft would be Chirrut (AMAZE). While I don’t see Cassian getting winded by a long walk à la Anne, he could be hiding an injury or something that Jyn notices (and hates that she notices, and hates more that nobody else does). 

I don’t know at all who would play the Louisa Musgrove role (it’s not my favourite element of the plot tbh, but kind of necessary). And I don’t know how the scene with Wentworth helping Anne with her nephews would play out but it needs to happen, it’s my favourite. And of course the gender politics wouldn’t really work. (Though Wentworth/Jyn coming to their senses via competence kink would, lol.) And we’d need some terribad teammates or something to serve the role of the Elliots.

(Draven would really be the best bet, if not already taken as the Lady Russell. That really works best as someone that Cassian is actually close to, though, which is… like, nobody. And honestly, Lady Russell is the only person Anne is close to, but—OMG, KAY. IF KAY IS LADY RUSSELL … JESUS. HAHAHA WOW. That’d even work with Kay and Jyn being super chilly at each other, and Cassian could overhear Jyn talking ~idly~ with some of the rest of the team about a mission that went hilariously-in-retrospect wrong thanks to Rebel!Mary Musgrove this shitty commander. They’d have much rather had Andor, since SpecOps do serve under Intelligence now and then, but couldn’t get him. The rumour was that [x] talked him out of it. And Jyn’s like, huh, he’s very easily persuaded, isn’t he? And they’re … not really? That damn droid and direct commands are pretty much the only thing that stops him.)

((For bonus awful: during their brief honeymoon phase, the idea had been that Jyn would join up with SpecOps and once he made captain, they could build a joint Intel/SpecOps team.))

Oh, and Benwick is a former Partisan who was in love with a civilian in Jedha who died before they could settle down. I think the Harvilles joined the Rebellion (probably Cassian’s not!recruits, in fact). Also, there definitely needs to be a way of working in the ‘even when hope is gone’ speech (though as above, the gender politics don’t work at all). 

Ha, even the ‘I should not have known her’ slam could work? I mean, it’s absurd to talk about Cassian as ~faded~, but he is definitely prematurely aged, and Jyn could easily make a snide remark about hardly recognizing him. 

I can’t see Jyn writing anything so melodramatic as Wentworth’s letter, but it’d be sort of hilarious if she types up her vision into a datapad and then is trying to figure out a way to casually leave it lying around, but not so casually that Cassian doesn’t notice. (As if, but Emotions.)