#but now i'm imagining hawkmoth and chloe working together

[lawbreaker13]

Guys. I just had a thought.

So Chloe’s Miraculous. The Bee Miraculous. The one that’s been confirmed that she will receive some time in season 2.

Yeah, this one.

I know we all think she’ll have a redemption and earn her Miraculous, but...what if she’s not a hero? What if she gets the bee Miraculous and starts working with Hawkmoth and Le Paon?

What if Le Paon, who we know is more intense than Hawkmoth, finds a way to give Chloe the bee Miraculous and use it for evil? On their side?

Or what if it just falls out of Ladybug/Chat Noir/Master Fu’s hands and Chloe uses it? For evil?

Or one of them gives it to her? And she uses it? For evil?

I know Thomas Astruc may have said something that leads us away from this conclusion, but is a possibility like this completely ruled out?

And I mean, really. Doesn’t this just seem more like her?

[sage-nebula]

After that miraculous finale, do you think we're headed for a reverse love square now? I can kinda see seeds, but I don't know how Adrigami and Lukanette fit into that... And I'm curious: You mentioned once that you think of Adrien as the love interest prize and therefore as static. Does this moving on business change your opinion in any way? One could argue it's a sign of character development, but he still seems rather reactive... Would you mind explaining your thoughts a bit more?

I really hope not. While I don’t begrudge people for wanting to see more interactions between Marinette and Chat Noir, the absolute worst thing that could happen right now is for Marinette to cheat on Luka (emotionally or otherwise), or Adrien to cheat on Kagami (emotionally or otherwise). There is no excuse for cheating, absolutely none. Not only do Luka and Kagami not deserve such disrespect, but it would pretty much tarnish Marinette and Adrien’s characters irredeemably, as well as forever soil the Marinette/Adrien ship. So while we all know that Luka/Marinette and Kagami/Adrien are (unfortunately) temporary ships and that Marinette and Adrien will end up together by the end, I really hope it doesn’t come about as a result of either Marinette or Adrien cheating on Luka and Kagami respectively. Adrien/Marinette has had enough negative development as it is; it doesn’t need to be tarnished beyond repair.

(For anyone who might be thinking, “But Scrawlers, you ship Gabriel/Nathalie, and that would mean Gabriel would be cheating on Emilie!” two things:

1.) Emilie is in an indefinite coma, and has been for quite some time. It’s not unreasonable to think that Gabriel might catch feelings for someone who is conscious, breathing, and close to him—someone that he can confide in—while Emilie is out of commission. And more importantly

2.) Villains do terrible things, and both Gabriel and Nathalie are villains. The two of them having an affair while Emilie is comatose won’t tarnish them any more than, say, terrorizing Paris, beating up teenagers, beating up the elderly, akumatizing actual infants multiple times, tormenting people just to akumatize them, and so on and so forth. We expect Gabriel and Nathalie to be terrible and do terrible things because they’re villains. The same cannot be said for Adrien and Marinette, who would be irredeemably tarnished if they cheated on either Luka or Kagami (and again, this includes emotional cheating, because it’s goddamn wrong to carry on a relationship someone while you’re emotionally invested in and involved with another).

So yes, I do like Gabriel/Nathalie, and their relationship is a dark one, but that’s because they’re villains. Of course their relationship is dark. I expect better from the heroes.)

So if Marinette and Adrien do start connecting more through the “Marichat” connection, then it sure as hell better be platonic. I don’t want to see a single ounce of romance occur between them until both of them are single, or else I’m out entirely.

As for Adrien being Marinette’s reward for good behavior, I think you misunderstood what I meant a bit. It’s not so much that he’s static, so much as it is that his role in the show isn’t to learn lessons and grow as a person. 

MIraculous Ladybug is Marinette’s coming-of-age story. It’s a story about how she grows both as a hero and as a person. Therefore, the story focuses on her, almost wholesale. We see both her triumphs and her failures. When there are new developments, those developments have the largest impact on Marinette, whether they’re good or bad. The idea is that, at the end of the story, Marinette will have fully matured as both a person and a superhero. The lessons she learns from her mistakes, as well as her challenges and triumphs, are supposed to help her get there. Having a romantic relationship with Adrien at the end is supposed to be the cherry on top.

On the other hand, although he does have an important role in the story, Miraculous Ladybug is not Adrien’s coming-of-age story (hence why his name isn’t in the original title of the show; I imagine it was probably changed for American audiences to try to market the show toward boys, because god forbid they watch a show about a girl, am I right?). The story isn’t about him growing and maturing as a person and superhero, any more than it’s about Alya learning and maturing as a person and superhero, or Nino, or Alix. True, he has a more important role than those three given that he’s Ladybug’s primary partner, Hawkmoth’s son, and Marinette’s love interest, but all the same, the story is still not about his growth and development as a person and superhero. It’s not his coming-of-age. This is why we don’t have episodes focused on his individual adventures, why we don’t see him encounter challenges and learn from them the same way we see Marinette encounter challenges and learn from them. What happened at the end of season three is a perfect example of this. Sure, Adrien is sad that Master Fu lost his memories and is out of the picture now, but Marinette is the one who is assuming Master Fu’s responsibilities as the new Guardian. She’s the one affected the most by Master Fu’s departure, and she’s the one who’s going to grow as a result of it, whereas Adrien’s life will remain mostly unchanged save for him needing to find a new Chinese tutor. If Miraculous Ladybug intended to focus on both of them growing and maturing as people and superheroes, surely Adrien would be equally as affected by Fu’s departure—but he’s not, because this isn’t meant to be his coming-of-age story. It’s Marinette’s. Therefore, she’s the one who takes the bulk of the plot meant for advancing character growth.

This doesn’t mean that Adrien can’t have anything to do while Marinette is going through that arc, of course. Look at love interests in other superhero stories: Lois Lane is a reporter, Michelle Jones is an activist, Steve Trevor was a soldier in World War II. If all a love interest does is sit around twiddling their thumbs, they’re not going to be characters that the audience will be content with seeing the main character end up with. So of course Adrien has his life as Chat Noir, he’s a model, he has a best friend in Nino, and yes, he’s dating Kagami for now. This doesn’t mean that Miraculous Ladybug is his story, though, in the same way that it’s Marinette’s story, because it isn’t. Adrien’s going to experience some changes as the story goes on, just as other side characters have (e.g. Chloe’s arc, which at the moment resembles a boomerang), but he’s not going to go through the same trials and tribulations as Marinette because that’s not his purpose here. He’s not the protagonist, Marinette is.

This was a very long explanation, but I hope it made sense. Sorry it also took time to reply; I only have access to tumblr on my phone while I’m at work, and I wasn’t about to type all this without a proper keyboard, lmao.

[lollytea]

Hi, I'm sorry if I'm disturbing in anything way, and... if I do disturb you, sorry 'bout that. But, I'm rather curious; in your Trolls miraculous au (I happen to LOVE both fandoms and almost had a heart attack when I saw them combined in the exact same way I had imagined), how exactly do you picture the Volpina episode? Since Creek is Lila/Chloe and stuff... Once again perdón por las molestias (sorry for distubing you, more or less) and thank you.

No problem. I’m glad you asked. If anything, I like to keep expanding this AU. So let’s get thinking.

Okay, if I remember how the episode started, it was Adrien finding the miraculous book. So let’s say Poppy finds it in her Dad’s safe. (I like to imagine that Peppy had a miraculous when we was young.) With the help of Plagg, of course.

So, she goes to school and let’s say Creek catches a glimpse of her skimming through the book. Not that Poppy’s stupid or anything, but she’s not as careful with these sort of things as Branch is. She didn’t get a chance to look at it before she left for school and the suspense was killing her so she just HAD to take it out.

Now, what I’m thinking in this AU is that Chef is Hawkmoth and Creek is involved in it somehow. He used to just work at her restaurant (and still does) but ever since he saw her transform, she’s insisted that he assist her with akumatizations, cuz she knows what a piece of shit he is. Now, while I’d say Creek DOES get some satisfaction out of this job, he’s not really the supervillain type. It’s more of a 9-5 job that he gets paid for. He’s pretty “Sure, whatever” about his duty to bring the city to chaos. He knows that if shit gets TOO dangerous, he knows where Hawkmoth’s lair is so he’s got somewhere safe to hide.

But anyway, Creek sees Poppy’s book and immediately knows that could be useful to Chef. Also he may or may not have gotten a pay cut from dropping a whole stack of fine china while working in the kitchen so hey, what better way to get on her good side again? So he’s like “Heeeeeey, friend. You’re a smart cookie. Come into the library and help me with my homework, would ya?”

Branch comes in at the exact time to see Creek leading Poppy into the library and well. Okay Poppy used to have a bit of a crush on Creek. Her Dad sometimes booked dinners at Chef’s and she saw him there for the first time long before she started public school. She thought he was cute and would try and get glimpses of him from behind the kitchen and eventually kept trying to have short conversations with him every time they ate there. Creek couldn’t care less about her but he was polite enough cuz hey, he can’t be rude to the customers. Plus she was the mayor’s daughter and a famous model. Couldn’t hurt to be on good terms with her. But ever since Ladybug came into the picture, Poppy’s interest in Creek has evaporated entirely.

However, that doesn’t stop Branch’s skin from crawling EVERY FUCKING TIME he sees them in close proximity. While Branch doesn’t think he himself deserves to be with her, he kinda hates himself a whole lot and ends up putting himself through having to watch them together just to get angry. So yeah, he spies on them in the library.

Creek “Just so happens” to notice Poppy’s book and feigns surprise. He kinda just thinks of his plan right then and there so he’s like “I’m….a superhero and…. I really need that book for reasons” He also decides to throw him that he knows Ladybug. According to Creek, the two of them are mates. Actually y’know what? This isn’t the first time Creek has done this. He’s probably constantly telling people he’s friends with Ladybug and pisses Branch the fuck off.

Then of course, Branch is doing his best not to yell “BULLSHIT” from behind a shelf. Meanwhile, even though he’s trying to suspend his disbelief, he’s also trying to wrangle Tikki back into his pocket cuz she’s insistent on getting that fucking book for whatever reason.

Poppy is also pretty uncertain about Creek’s story but he promises to prove it to her later in the park. Apparently kids in Paris spend a lot of time in parks after school so let’s say this is like a daily thing. The whole class is there.

So after getting the briefest glance at a fox themed hero from the book, Creek buys a cheap foxtail necklace so he can “reveal his identity” to Poppy and hopefully get the book off her.

And then. Branch. Goes. Off. Like there is nothing remotely mature about what this boy does. He transforms into Ladybug, stomps up to Poppy and Creek in the park and just starts yelling at him. Friendly reminder that the whole Snack Pack is there. Just like “Bitch I heard you were telling lies. What the fuck?? We’re not friends, I don’t even know you!”

Creek does not deal well with being insulted in front of people. He does not deal well with it at all. Public humiliation of any kind is not good for keeping his calm. Also this is LADYBUG. He’s angry but like Creek can’t exactly argue back against Ladybug without getting his ass kicked so he does the wise thing and storms off.

Poppy is quite honestly shocked. She did not expect this kind of outburst from someone she idolized and naturally, gives him a piece of her mind. Branch doesn’t really know how to deal with Poppy telling him off (usually its the other way around) but somehow, he manages to keep his cool and as Tikki hums impatiently at him, informs her that he needs the book. Poppy just walks up, slams it against his chest and leaves.

Creek is pissed. Creek is very pissed. He’s pissed at Ladybug especially. And good God, Chef realizes just what potential she’s been missing out on. He’s clever, he’s manipulative, he has little empathy, he’s determined. This boy she’s had working under her all this time, would be an excellent akuma. She doesn’t hesitate to make him one. There we go. There’s our sneaky fox Volpina of this AU. (omg is anyone thinking about how horrible that orange is gonna look with Creek’s green/turquoise hair cuz I sure as hell am. Eh, it’s tacky and he deserves it.)

Now, battle, superhero-ing and fighting scenarios ensue that I don’t have it in me to write. Creek’s the akuma of the day, Ladybug and Chat Noir deal with it. The end. I feel like his allusion powers don’t really have the same kinda tension as having Chat Noir right beside him, Branch doesn’t buy Creek hanging “Poppy” over a high building.

So anyways, the akuma is destroyed and Creek has no fucking clue what happened (once he hears he got akumatized he gon go off on Chef.) and Branch gives him an honest apology for yelling at him. Like while Creek probably did deserve it (although Branch doesn’t say that) he feels that being so immature about the whole thing was no better. Chat Noir recognizes the sincerity in Ladybug’s tone and quietly forgives him, just as her time is running out so she’s gotta run.

Lastly we got Branch and Tikki looking through the miraculous book and Tikki’s insisting that they return it to who needs it. Now I’m not too sure on this one just yet, but it would be pretty cool if Peppy doubled as Master Fu. Like he’s so close to the goings on of these kids lives already. Plus he’d know in a second that his daughter was worthy of a miraculous. But yeah, I’m kinda unsure about that one for now. I’ll think about it.