#but like truly i... i know there isnt a lot of aro fic but i 1) overestimated the size of the matrix fandom--tbh im glad its not that big--

[a-passing-storm]

So about my fic that I posted (very scary). It’s a Matrix fic, and it’s got an aro character, and I am like... so very surprised that it is the first Matrix fic to have the “Aromantic” tag on AO3. Like, I was expecting 10. Or so. I know 10 still isn’t a lot, but I was expecting more than 0. I’m actually very surprised. 

[gilears]

I've never understood the whole "if Riz never gets partnered he will be doomed to sadness and loneliness" idea people have with him being aroace. Cause like did they not see the nightmare forest? That was literally what he over came is that fear and realizing he doesnt have to conform to what society and media says about relationships and his friends still love him. Also like they don't need to be partnered to have Bad Kids house where they all look out and care for each other as friends.

oh my god i forgot to answer this i am SO sorry anon

YEAH!!! LITERALLY!! we have covered this. we have covered this! not sure how anyone could see the conclusion of that arc and still be like, "oh well hes gonna be lonely and sad if he doesnt get his kisses in!" like yeah hes still sorting out his feelings and coming to terms with his identity clearly but. he does NOT want to get his kisses in, and he loves his friends and his friends love him!!! for who he is!!!!!

i have a really hard time figuring out how to articulate this so i dont talk about it much outside of the dms of beloved friends who i know Get It but like. sooooo much of ppl ignoring riz's identity to ship him with fabian is insidious to me. kristen is canonically a lesbian, if a bunch of people decided they wanted to ignore that to ship her with like gorgug, there would be a RECKONING. why is it suddenly fine if we're ignoring that riz canonically isnt sexually or romantically attracted to anyone (and has EXPLICITLY said he does not WANT to take part in these things), so we can ship him with someone (regardless of the gender of that partner!) ?????

if we were at a lack of canon queer relationships, i might be able to see why people would feel the need. but we ARENT! literally TWO of the pcs are in canon queer relationships!! now, the widespread blatant ignorance of those canon wlw relationships over a hypothetical one that is mlm.... smells like misogyny! smells like lesbophobia! on that note how come there are DOUBLE the amount of f*briz fics on ao3 versus kristen/tracker AND fig/ayda?

moving beyond that: if we were at a lack of queer canon characters, i might be able to see why people would feel the need. but again, WE ARE NOT!! countless npcs are queer (like truly so fucking many we are so blessed thanks brennan) and again, two of the pcs, NOW THREE BECAUSE RIZ IS CONFIRMED TO BE CANONICALLY ASEXUAL, are queer! the only conclusion i can draw is that these people dont see aro/ace people as queer or even queer "enough" which is 1) bullshit, 2) fucked up and untrue, and 3) tbh very hurtful to me as an ace person!!! i am tired of seeing it!!!

queer friendship is beautiful and revolutionary and lifesaving (especially when we're talking about riz "dont have a lot of friends even though im very social" "i love my friends and they love me" gukgak) and it feels weird that a large amount of people consistently like. shirk that profound thing for like... really weird and deeply out of character headcanons/fic/etc? im just like okay? so untrue worstie. and its not like everyone who ships it is evil and actively hates aroace people. the vast vast majority probably arent and probably dont! but like... idk. use your critical thinking skills babes.

anyway sorry for going off. mandatory i know these are fictional dnd characters and its literally not that deep (except for when it is and we are being aphobic actually). i have many thoughts and feelings! im going to stop talking now 💜

[lawlightfan42069]

1)this fandom turned to be disturbing yall only care about shinee sexual orientation and gender when its not of anyone's business. you spend all ur time on fighting over their personal matters instead of enjoying their music and what they give us. both sides acting like what they say is confirmed facts nd when one of shinee say random names or look at someone you act like they want to have sex with them nd yall act that the only attraction is sexual or romantic

2)the side that gets angry of the possibility that shinee are queer is homophobic nd not all idols has to be cis. the side that gets angry at the possibility that shinee might be like girls is weird coz we don't know these idols in real life no matter what they say or share with us

3) as an pan-aro nd part of lgbt its lowkey skeevy for me that shawols are painting shinee as lgbt icons when they only did basic decent things but in no way they r lgbt icons. yall literally could be calling a hetero guys an lgbt icons. I get wanting to connect more with them nd wanting representation but its not like this. actual lgbt people get killed nd a lots of lgbt people are fighting for our rights with little support bc we r looking in representation somewhere else we r not sure about

4) and please don't start with the closet talk bc I know how dangerous for an idol to come out but the idols u think they r queer might not be queer in the first place and if they were we have no right to want to them out too, at the end we don't know their sexualities. what am I saying is both opinions should be treated as headcanons not as confirmed facts nd this whole issue shouldn't have got that big. also neurodivergent idols headcanons should be respected too

tbh i dont even know what ur..trying 2 say by this?? i dont understand how youre like Yeah, Headcanons! but when ppl talk about headcanons ur like no...i didnt mean it like that... i mean it honestly baffles me how you reconcile these two things. if u respect ppls abilities to have headcanons youve also got to accept ppls ability to Talk about them as headcanons?? getting in discussions w ppl who say every idol Must be straight or cis isnt fighting w someone over shinees orientations Specifically, its fighting against the bigotry involved in this line of thinking. arguing w ppl who say “___ Msut be cishet” is not saying “_____ must not be cishet” its saying to question what motivates ppl to say the first thing. its not really About shinee exclusively bc its applicable to every single idol, and tbh every single person. its a discussion larger than any one particular person. i think this is an aspect that a lot of ppl miss.  

also i truly dont know when ive ever acted like attraction can only be sexual or romantic bc i rly have not. talking about how queer idols Exist is not demanding idols be out. its acknowledging a reality that is hardly ever acknowledged. like. ignoring queerphobia is Not whats going to make it easier for idols to come out, discussing how queerphobia manifests in the idol industry is what will. 

it really tires me when ppl pull out the U Spend All Ur Time Doing This, we’re all here for the music!! enough of that!! because while thats true, we all did become connected through shinee through music, a part of being an Active participant in fandom for many ppl is also like...talking about stuff besides their music. we’re here for their music but the Reason ppl blog about them and do shit like make gifs or edits or fics or what have u is bc they also care about the members themselves. their music is a given. i also like mamamoos music a whole ton, but i dont have a blog dedicated 2 mamamoo bc i am not As invested in the band members as i am in shinee. which isnt to say that every stan has to get involved w this specific discourse or even discourse in general, just that stans often Do get involved w non-musicy things in the process of stanning.

why is it that only queer headcanons are policed to this level...why is it only queer headcanons are met w Listen To Their Music Instead ! instead of the numerous other things ppl involved in fandom do that dont directly relate to their music. why dont u tell gif makers that theyre Too Obssesed w shinees faces and to go listen to their music instead. ppl do shit like “boyfriend imagines” for shinee which are 1000% unrelated to their music and tbh effectively function as Headcanons except youll never see ppl respond to that with Go Listen To Their Music Instead! while its not always (although it. often is lmfao) explicitly said, a lot of bf imagines are implicitly cishet and i feel like this is undoubtedly why those are accepted w/o word. bc ppl find being cishet ‘more polite’ and ‘less intrusive.’ when u make being queer a taboo to talk about (whilst simultaneously accepting anyone that talks about being cishet) u are basically saying that it is more acceptable to be cishet, while being queer is something that ought to be kept private. if ur truly adamant that this is about not spending enough time enjoying shinees music, then id like 2 see u come at every single other thing in fandom that has nothing to do w music. every time you see someone say “hey jonghyun would make a great bf” remind that person they shldnt care about something like that and shld instead be supporting shinees music. in any case, you ought to examine what makes u think that someone being queer is taboo to speak of while not rallying against statements like ‘he would be a great bf 2 his girlfriend.’

anyway i agree that ultimately what people are doing is making. headcanons. ive always agreed w this fact? this is a thing i continually say?? its why im not out there to Objectively Prove that jonghyun is gay or bi or whatever. the reason people respond to statements like ‘no jonghyun is not gay hes a straightie hetero’ with ‘no ur wrong’ bc the first statement is one that is Constantly enforced by society and it just functions as a way 2 shut down queer voices and reassert the heterosexual default present Everywhere. society treats straight as the absolute default. this is why straight “Headcanons” arent treated as well lmao... headcanons. theres rly no reason for anyone out there 2 headcanon something as straight?? when its the Assumed Sexuality in every situation?? tbh the only reason ppl are interested in doing that is Denying that idols might not be straight. doing this when ppl are Forced 2 be straight is gross. theres a difference between queer ppl saying Hey, remember not all idols are straight so lets talk about that and straight ppl being all No! ur wrong! he cant be anything but straight so shut up! these two things are coming from different perspectives. 

like. imagine a pie being sliced up. historically, a 100% of this pie has been given to straight people. when queer ppl speak up, theyre trying to take some of their fair share of this pie. saying Hey, queer ppl exist!! is trying to section urself out a piece of the pie when youve been given none. someone saying Nope!! theyre all definitely straight is stealing back the measly slices someone has Actively Fought to obtain and attempting to perpetuate this imbalance. 

im not rly here for ppl painting shinee as lgbt icons. ive expressed how annoying i find statements like ‘king of the gays’ or whatever to be. but also just. saying that anyone in shinee might be lgbtq is not painting them as an lgbtq icon?? its just stating a fact?? esp since a lot of the King of The Gays ! stuff seems to come from ppl who position him as a Amazing Cishet Ally so. idek buddy i feel like youve got to further think through some of your positions bc some seem to be in direct conflict with others.