#but like is what we see in TFO potentially what could have been for those two if they never went on that mission?

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You know honestly, having Airachnid as Sentinel Prime’s loyal second in command is very interesting considering their TFA counterparts

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EPISODE 182 MAKINGSTARWARS.NET’S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING!

There wasn’t really any new spoilers in this weeks episode. They were mostly just discussing things that we already know and speculating what could potentially happen. Here’s a rough transcript of it anyway.

-There’s a lot of talk about the Vanity Fair photos and some talk about the leaked Lego images. They are fantasy situations so they don’t necessarily mean a lot.

- According to Jason’s old notes the battle of Crait happens in the 3rd act, so it means that we might see Luke and Rey go and fight on Crait at the end of the movie. They might end up there. But so far they haven’t seen a hint that Luke and Rey leave Ahch-To. They have no other proof of it other than the Lego set but because the scene happens in act 3 it’s possible that Rey could be there. And yet it’s still possible that Lego just decided to include Rey’s figure in the set even though she’s not really there.

- Kylo Ren showing up on Ahch-To could potentially be what  drives them off the world and eventually to the Crait fight to rendezvous with their friends.

- Some talk about the Han Solo movie.

- They talk about the rumor that Luke goes after Snoke and Rey goes for Kylo at the end of the movie. It would be kind of strange if Rey and Kylo duel against each other twice in the same movie. Although it has sort of happened before with Qui-Gon Jinn and Darth Maul. They fought twice but the first fight on Tatooine got interrupted.

- The assumption is that Kylo Ren goes to Ahch-To early in the movie. They don't know if that's actually in the movie. This is probably not the case because there’s that crashed ship on Ahch-To but what if Kylo doesn’t really go there? What if it's like her Darth Vader in the cave scene, what if it's sort of like a test or vision, she fights him and these knights or whatever the hell they are? What if it's a continuation of that vision that she had and it's Kylo with a group of people, what if it's the future and she sees what's going to happen if they don't leave? It has a lot of potential of what it could mean. It could very well be something that's not happening in the real time. Stuff gets crazy at temples.

 - They are still on the fence whether Luke was fighting with the lightsaber or he just had that walking stick or cattle prod thing in his hand. So they still don't know if he uses the lightsaber in the movie or not.

- There was a question about potential time jumps in the movie. Luke seems to be reluctant in the movie, so it's pretty obvious, logical assumption would be that the movie from Luke's POV is going to be him being a reluctant teacher, and finally embracing that he's a Jedi, and has to do this thing, and it’s never going to be easy. And it would be kind of weird to do time jumps as well, because it would mean that you wouldn't be solving those problems, you would be doing the time jumps and saying we solved it during the time jump, we aren’t doing it on screen. That doesn't feel like the level that someone like Rian Johnson writes up, he knows how to structure a story and it seems unlikely.

- There’s a shipping crate that BB-8 goes in. It's a crate for BB8, maybe he ships in it. There’s no rumors about Finn and Rose going into the crate with him, it's for BB-8. They don’t know if it's to sneak him into something. It almost looks like something out of Han Solo’s ship. It's a rusty looking black box kinda thing.

Is Snoke's wealth connected with the Canto Bight at all?

- It's been sort of a logical place that we go to on that, and it makes sense. The whole question's been, if it's just financial, are they trying to steal money or are they trying to stop money? They might be trying to steal money to fund the Resistance, and that was ostensibly funded by the Republic which no longer exists. So they have to find someway of to start living, you would think. So that kind of makes sense. On the other hand though, if Snoke has been getting his money this whole time through back channels, and places that are kind of seedier and scummier, and we did kind of see the aristocracy sort of start to buy into the FO idea because they missed that old way when they were above everyone else. It could be either of those things. And then we know about the hacker, so what’s the hacker for? You could come up with several different scenarios based on those elements. But right now, we don't know.

- Some talk about plotgate. They think that there probably is a rough outline about where people go from A-Z. But the little intervals between those letters are totally open. There are probably a few key do's and don't's, things that have to happen, things that can't happen, and probably a few possibilities how it could all end, and as other people get involved, other directors, they end up seeing what’s fitting the best.

- They again talk about the lack of proper motivation of Rey’s character in TFA. She's on Jakku and won’t leave because her family is out there. So it never really makes sense why she doesn’t go back to her family. You can make a lot of assumptions but they’re only assumptions at this point. Maybe she found a family with the new people she met or realised that Maz is right. It’s not very concrete because Rey just walks around looking at shit a lot, during that part of the movie especially. She doesn’t say a lot, she’s much more reactive by that point of the movie. At the end she’s going to find Luke Skywalker, maybe she doesn’t even believe it’s really happening, she knows that it’s what she’s supposed to do but she doesn’t know why she’s doing it. 

That’s the whole thing, we don’t know what’s Rey’s problem, what’s her flaw, what’s her thing to overcome. Did she overcome the parent issue in TFA? You could make an argument for either, you could say that she did, she didn’t go home, she went to Luke, there’s your answer, bye. But concretely it’s totally open. She might decide to go back to Jakku after all. But she’s supposed to be training with Luke to defeat Kylo Ren and Snoke. Everything else is just some selfish shit on the side. You could almost have that be a problem. And then her work through it to defeat them at the end. And then at the end of the movie is her actually going back finding her family. It's possible. Luke's going to be reluctant, maybe they both will be reluctant, maybe both of them are “we are out after this". But maybe they’re setting it up that she wants to learn, he doesn't want to teach her but then of course work that out, a little cliché but it could work really well.

 In ANH Luke just wanted to be like his father, he wants to leave the planet, it becomes a problem when he learns that his father is Darth Vader. Rey doesn’t have that. She doesn’t feel like she’s out seeking an adventure. She lives a humble life and is genuinely a good person, she wants to find her family but other than that there really isn’t too much of a conflict with the character. She’s a pretty balanced person, she’s just sad that her family isn’t there. So there almost has to be something that happens in the story that’s going to throw her off balance. Is it just that Luke doesn't want to train her, or is it going to be that she saw what TFO has done and knows that you can’t walk away from that. We don’t know. 

Rey is a character that deals with the shit that’s thrown at her in the movie but she never voices her reasons for doing anything. She doesn’t like say to Finn that this is what she wants, that she's going away to become a Jedi. And we still don’t even know if that is what she wants. So hopefully there is a good reason why it’s not so overtly explained. Rian Johnson has to do that stuff because if we learn what Rey wants in the third film, it’s too late. There's no evidence of it but maybe she starts to see what Snoke has to offer, is that going to become attractive to her because Luke is such a letdown. If that’s the case then there’s still the question of why is she searching for that power, why would she go to Snoke, what is her motive for needing that power? Rian Johnson said that Snoke doesn't have a lot of development in the movie. So it probably won’t go this way, but something was attractive to Kylo and that's an open possibility for Rey. Whatever was so bad about Luke is so attractive about Snoke. Rey hopefully won't make the same choice. And maybe that's going to show Kylo that his choice was wrong too. Han Solo telling Ben "he's going to crush you", that's a foreshadowing kind of idea, and that could be what makes Kylo defect if he does.