#but in fairness i hate all spn fans equally

[lecoindecachou]

Do I hate that ship or do I just hate the shippers, a novel by me

[laf-outloud]

Hi,

Here is the European Anon (or Troll as I am called at the moment). I would like to clarify a few things. I am a fan. Of the show, of the characters, of the two J's. That's the reason why the info about the contract could hurt me so much in the first place. Because this time it affected me myself. I've worked with stars who showed up to work (con) drunk. Who spent more time on Grindr than signing autographs. Who treated their Händlers like crap, while up front they were the loving, attentive star. You learn two things quickly in the businees. The manager is always right, and the star is never the bad guy. We had two guests from an equally famous CW show. The managers had agreed to a duo shoot. The problem was that they hated each other. In the sense of, we had to separate the two spatially, because otherwise it would have come to fisticuffs. The managers of both parties tried everything to make the duo shoot possible somehow and while one star finally agreed to get it over with "professionally", the other remained stubborn. The end? The duo was canceled with the reason "unforeseen scheduling difficulties" Well, sounds familiar? (No it's not Vampire Diaries, Paul and Ian are really like brothers, lol).

What you also learn very quickly. The fans forgive everything and the star is perfect in their eyes. No matter whether stars were bad-tempered, bitchy or sometimes even downright unfriendly, the fans always found an excuse for them, or in the end made us organizers responsible for it. Well, we can live with that, as long as people still pay for their tickets. At the end of the day it is a business.

Why am I writing this? So far it has never really affected me. For me, most of them are just people like you and me and I could deal with most of the stars in a really friendly or business way. But I've been a fan of Supernatural since the beginning. And then such an info is no longer professional but hurts.

I want to make it very clear that no SPN star I have ever dealt with has been unprofessional or unfriendly. Even though Misha's manager is a terrible woman, he himself was always polite to us as employees. And even from colleagues who have worked with J2 so far, there has never been a negative word.

That is why I was so looking forward to working with them. To be able to experience this famous friendship directly.

I am not so high in the hirachie that I get to read a direct correspondence of the management. I also can't say which Con I work for without risking my job. I know it's easier to make me out to be a liar than to accept that I might be right. I realize that and I can even understand that.

I've been sitting on this information for weeks, but who am I going to tell? Who believes me? I've talked to two close friends about it who are also fans and they didn't believe it either.

The trigger was the first reports from Charlotte. I have friends who are on site and yes, probably their euphoria and two glasses of wine on my part made me write to two people. Patrick (TFW) and LOL Jackles . Who I have found through Tumblr several times to be relatively fair and interested in facts. But there was no response. I was honestly taken aback by this, because even if they won‘t believe me, why not share the info anyway? Or at least respond to it? If there is nothing to what I say, then it could be quickly invalidated or? Unless the two know exactly that I'm right and are afraid of when it comes out.

I have written to you days later. you can look it up. I read post that you and others wondered why jared and jensen only come to different cons. That's why I thought, okay I'll send it again. I found your explanation of not posting it understandable and at least you didn't immediately ignore it. Thanks for that. that's also why I'm replying exclusively to you.

Again, I understand if you don't believe me. After all, I didn't want to believe my boss either. I thought he was just not willing to pay the 300 K (And that's what they cost each).

But now exactly what he said happens.

If I am telling the untruth, then why is Jared actually appearing at the same promoters (Monopoy Events, Entertainment Events Etc) on a different date than Jensen and always including Gen? And look at the line up of the English cons and tell me that you could not have paid Jared‘s fee to run various duo shots! If I'm lying, why is Creation now releasing the second convention for 2024 with only Jensen as headliner but not with Jared? It can't be the money, because Creation takes the same amount for the tickets as usual. And schedule difficulties during an official strike ? Hardly. You can call me a troll, but I am a fan as well, I know that you want to believe until the end that everything is good. But I just think the fans have at least a right to hear the truth. And that is that Jared's management will get away from creation cons in the future and will favor cons that Jensen doesn't attend.

Thank you for writing in, again. I'm sorry that because of the multiple asks, you've been classified as a troll. I've been on Tumblr long enough that I've seen multiple copy/paste asks and they most often are a troll, but I can see your reasoning. (I will say that TFW2.0 is a fan of Jensen first, so anything that could put him in a negative light will be summarily dismissed.)

I decided to post this response since your original ask seems to have been seen by multiple other people despite not being posted and I'll allow people to make up their own minds about what they want to believe.

I will say that Jared's absence from the con in July could be due to other reasons, like his standard summer vacation or birthday stuff, and June could be because he anticipates that they might be filming Walker into the summer, depending on how long the strike lasts.

When it comes to doing cons with or without Jensen, I know my initial response was regarding Jared's mental health, but it could also be a strategic business decision. Jared may want to distance himself from SPN (and Jensen) to open up other acting/producing opportunities. It's not always advantageous to just be known as "one of those guys from SPN." He's said before that he enjoys producing and I'm sure he knows Walker isn't going to last forever. An actor/producer's career shouldn't be defined by one role. He may also be promoting Gen to help increase her profile if they plan on producing together in the future. I'm sure there are some who, if they believe it's true, will take it personally, but it really may just be a business decision.

Either way, thank you for sharing. And if there are people who agree/disagree and decide to write to me with their rebuttals, please remember to do so respectfully. I won't post anything with accusatory language, insults, or outright dismissals.

[widevibratobitch]

Top 5 worst Callas roles. Go on do your worse

1. ROSINA (t's just horrible. horrible.)

2. Mimì (thank god she only recorded it and never performed)

3. Gilda (just as with Mimì, i just don't believe her in that role, she's not an innocent young girl, she's a bitch - also hate how she kinda. artificially thins out her voice for that one. talk about things that ultimately ruined it...)

4. Konstanze (yes, I know there is no recording of her in this role, only the one aria which is horrible and I hate it, she shouldn't have been allowed to even look at Mozart, next)

5. ANYTHING she sung in the 1960s (and, oh god, the 1970s...).

go on, boo me, you know I'm right.

[incorrectspnforfun]

Is it just me or has this fandom gotten kinda serious??

Like I still love spn and the fandom as a whole, it’s nice to be supported by people who share the same interests as you but everything’s been blown up almost.

For instance I know the ‘walker’ premiere’s soon, something that a lot of people have worked really hard on including Jared, and some people are being so horrible about it without even watching it. Basically a lot of people are trying to make it fail because of spn and the controversy surrounding the ending, which I think is so childish and selfish. I mean if you watch it and don’t like it fair enough but if it’s just because of Jared being in it or because you didn’t like the spn finale what’s the point?

Everyone has their own opinion on the ending, which is fine, but to come for the actors and their career is so wrong and messed up.

Not only that but as a result of this the spn fandom is getting a bad reputation as toxic and immature (a lot of people assume were bitchy teenagers like???) I have several problems with that stereotype in itself but that’s not the point.

I just feel like it’s not about enjoying the show any more, but maybe that’s just me. I would love to hear your thoughts on this because you seem like a genuinely nice and friendly spn blog. Thank you, sorry it was long.

Hi! 

Don’t apologize at all! I’m sorry it took me so long to get to this, but I’m happy to answer it and talk about this now. <3 

I’ve talked about this whole thing with a lot of different people, and the whole issue still doesn’t sit right with me, but I’ll give you my thoughts and opinions and everything based on the talks I’ve had with friends/family who are also in the fandom. 

And before I get into my whole big long shpiel, I’m gonna say it now: 

I don’t want to argue with anyone in the comments. 

I don’t want a bunch of hate. 

If you don’t like what I say here, then scroll past it and ignore it. If you wanna unfollow the blog, that’s fine. 

But this person is asking me for my thoughts, maybe because they’re feeling hurt and confused by this fandom right now, like I am, and I don’t blame them, so I’m gonna tell them what I think, which means telling all of you. And if you don’t like it, then ignore it. But I’m not gonna fight with people. I will delete rude comments, because I don’t want the toxicity. 

I do try to keep this blog as positive, happy, and uplifting as possible, and I’m going to try to keep this post as positive as possible as well, but I, admittedly, have been very angered by some of the behavior of the people in this fandom, so if I come off as short and upset, I apologize in advance. 

All of that said, here we go: 

Yes. I agree with you 100%. I don’t know what happened, and I don’t know what it is, but the controversy over the finale created such a toxicity in the fandom that is killing me. 

I have always been proud to be in the fandom because we are a family. The SPN Family has always been a force for good: donating to charities, fighting for people’s rights, and just in general promoting love, kindness, and happiness. 

So to see all of that falling apart because of an ending?? Of a TV show?? It breaks me. It hurt my heart. When the controversy first started, I was in tears over everything happening, because I was heartbroken. 

Hearing that SPN fans were scaring actors and other fans off of social media because of their hate over the ending was one of the worst things I’d ever heard. And the fact that it only continued to escalate honestly made me wish I wasn’t in this fandom, if only to avoid the association. I even started avoiding a lot of my favorite SPN creators because they were being so toxic about the ending. 

Look. I loved the ending, and if you hate me for that, it’s fine. But I did. I thought it was perfect. I know there are a lot of people that didn’t. And that’s fine. We can agree to disagree. If you hate the ending, you have a right to your opinion. 

What nobody has the right to do, though, is hate on other people for their opinions, in any sense of the word. 

Jared Padalecki should not be getting hate because he loved and was proud of the finale. 

Jim Beaver should not have gotten hate because he was in the finale and was happy to be a part of something so beautiful. 

Misha Collins should not have gotten hate because he expressed his opinion about Cas’s ending and everything that came with the finale. 

Yes, they’re celebrities. Yes, they play these characters. But they are also people. They are human. 

This entire family has been built on the fact that these actors put us on their level. They respect us and treat us like we’re all equals. Don’t we owe them the same courtesy? 

This is getting a little preachy, but my point is that yes, this fandom has gotten toxic and serious and frustrating in a lot of ways, and it really hurts me on a personal level, because I love this family. I bragged for years about how positive the energy in this fandom was, and how open-minded and warm and welcoming everybody in it was. 

So to see it getting to the point where these toxic people are making a bad name for a fandom that I’ve praised ever since I joined it hurts. It hurts a lot. Even writing this is making me really emotional. 

Now. All of that said, I want to do my best to give you a light at the end of the tunnel. 

I truly believe that the true SPN Family is still out there. Whether people liked the finale or not, the fans who are screaming at actors and hating on fans who did like the finale and running stars off of social media because of their opinions are not SPN Family members. They may be Supernatural fans, but they are not family. Because I still believe that the SPN Family is filled with kindness and goodness and love, and I know that there are those of us out there who are positive. But, unfortunately, toxicity is louder--the squeaky wheel gets the grease. 

My hope, though, is that, down the line, it’s the positive legacy of this family that lives on. Because yeah, this all started because of a TV show, but it created something even bigger. And the people who are going to be surface level and hate on the show and the actors and the fans and everything because of the plot of the last few episodes don’t see the bigger picture, and, hopefully, by default, they won’t want to be a part of it. 

But those of us who still appreciate everything this show created and everything it stood for--whether we liked the finale or not--know that just because the show ended the way it did doesn’t mean the legacy of the actors, characters, fandom, or anything in between has to change or go away. 

The SPN Family has created something wonderful and beautiful. And yeah, our legacy looks a little tainted right now. But years from now, those of us who are truly members of the SPN Family--and not just the SPN fandom, because that’s an important distinction--will be able to keep that positive legacy going for years to come. 

At least, that’s what I’m hoping. 

I’ve thought about this a lot, and I’ve talked about it a lot, with a lot of people. 

And while I know everyone acting up over Walker was recent, I do feel like, all things considered, the toxicity is calming down, to a degree, and I like to think that it’ll slowly just fade out--or, at least quiet down. 

My hope is that, as the toxicity dies, the positivity will reign again, and everyone will slowly remember what this fandom should really be about--family and love.

Maybe this was too preachy, and maybe this isn’t even the type of thing you wanted to hear, but I hope that what I said gives you some comfort for a better future for this fandom--no, this family. It can be hard, with everything going on, but know that there are still positive people left. I’ve found several myself that I’ve latched onto to help me get through the negativity. And, in the end, love always wins. And family--true family--always has your back. 

And, hey, in the wise words of Dean Winchester: 

“A wise man once told me, 'family don't end in blood. ' But it doesn't start there either. Family cares about you, not what you can do for them. Family's there; for the good, bad, all of it. They got your back, even when it hurts. That’s family.” 

And that family is the one that’ll come out on top. 

I know it. <3 

Lots of love to my entire SPN Family. Hang in there. <3 

[eisforeidolon]

Hey. I hope you don’t mind, but you seem fair. I’ve been a J2/Bibro fan for all the run of SPN. Had a blog for several years now, and I mostly followed Jared/Sam blogs because I was told they were the sane an fair ones and that all Dean/Jensen blogs were either hellers or AA’s. I just…. Need to vent? Most of these Sam/Jared blogs lately have said NOTHING but hate on Jensen/Dean and everything about them. They say the most ridiculous things about him (acting like they’re in the industry) and criticize EVERYTHING. They sound EXACTLY like all the AA’s and hellers I was told to avoid, and then they’ll find a bad Jensen/Dean fan and say “See!? See how awful they are and how much better we are?” I was a constant reblogger of their Sam/Jared defenses because they are right! Sam/Jared gets such ridiculous hate and I love him to pieces. But lately…. All the anti D/J stuff is getting ridiculous. So I went and started following a lot of D/J positive blogs and guess what? They don’t say anything negative about S/J AT ALL! I was told D/J didn’t have any good fans, and I’ve found dozens of blogs that love him AND respect and admire s/j. Of course hellers and AA’s exist in huge numbers and are a boil on the butt of humanity, but there ARE extreme Sam/Jared fans who are exactly like them. I’m tired of them, and I don’t think it’s fair they’re on some high horse thinking they’re the sane side anymore. This criticism of course excludes the very lovely Sam/Jared blogs I now follow who just love and don’t perpetuate the hate or drama

I think it's a good general rule to side-eye anyone who makes such a big deal out of insisting that only they are the [good/sane/fair/insert positive quality here] side of fandom. If someone feels the need to repeatedly tell you what they're like instead of letting their words and actions speak for themselves? Yeah, time to wonder why they don't trust you to come to the "right" conclusion from all the available evidence.

One of the reasons I got into the fandom was to see the various other perspectives fans had that were different from mine, so I sought out blogs from a lot of different fan subgroups. Which lead me to conclude fairly early on that the fans who were only into one J or the other were pretty much the same, despite protestations to the contrary. No matter which group you follow, if you look in the wrong place, you will get stuff like the following: Claiming the other side does nothing but complain about Their!J because they must be dissatisfied and bored with Other!J, followed by five posts mocking Other!J's choices. That's totes different though - somehow. The other side constantly lies about them and, oh, and by the way? That thing you literally saw their side doing with your own eyes totes never happened! Both sides have people pretending to be in the know to aggrandize Their!J and slight the Other!J. Both sides will occasionally claim that if X applies to Their!J, it's an amazing accomplishment! But if X applies to Other!J? It means nothing, was rigged somehow, or totes shows what a failure Other!J is, actually.

The only difference I've noted is the one that's bothering you - in my experience, Jensen fans that don't like Jared are generally pretty up front about it. There are, however, Jared-only stans who pretend to love both equally or be unbiased - until Jensen gets attention for something that doesn't involve Jared, and then suddenly, somehow, mysteriously? Everything about Jensen is a joke and/or obvious mistake. They'd totally call Jared out if he did something as mock-worthy, they would! It's just that he's infuriatingly perfect in every way! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (As you've seen, this is totally different and entirely superior to AA's talking the same silly, trivial shit but without having ever pretended to like Jared in the first place ... somehow.) Jared gets an insane amount of disturbingly vitriolic hate, but that doesn't justify or make me a fan of how Jensen gets treated as a sidekick/prop who needs to know his place. With them going their own ways now career-wise, it's more obvious than it's ever been.

Honestly, sometimes it does piss me off, but mostly I just try and laugh about it because we're all just over-invested fans on the Internet - sound and fury signifying nothing. In the end, if you can either read past or avoid all the stan wankery by curating your experience? There are plenty of perfectly nice fans who have a clear preference in one direction or the other. There are a lot of interesting perspectives to be found. When reading posts, I try and remember how big a part bias plays - the bias of the blog we're interacting with, the biases of their entire dash/circle of interaction, and how our own biases incline us towards believing or agreeing with what they're telling us. It's not always as easy as it sounds. Especially when it comes to people we like interacting with or things we may already want to believe.

[lilydalexf]

Old School X is a project interviewing X-Files fanfic authors who were posting fic during the original run of the show. New interviews are posted every Tuesday.

Interview with RivkaT

RivkaT has 28 stories at Gossamer and 270 stories at AO3, so she knows her way around fanfic and fandom. She's also a co-author of one of the most well-known X-Files fics of all time, Iolokus. I've recced that here before, along with some of my other favorites of her stories, including And Dance by the Light of the Moon and Into the Woods. Big thanks to RivkaT for doing this interview.

Does it surprise you that people are still interested in reading your X-Files fanfics and others that were posted during the original run of the show (1993-2002)?

I think it's amazing! Writing styles have changed so much, along with everything else, that it's really nice to know they're still being visited. I tried to show my son the pilot episode, and it didn't move him at all, but it's good to know it's not forgotten.

What do you think of when you think about your X-Files fandom experience? What did you take away from it?

I made a number of good friends, and had my first taste of bitter fandom battles. I made dumb mistakes and, I hope, learned a bit about navigating fandom spaces. My long-time writing partner MustangSally taught me that it was always worth blowing the budget in writing--go over the top if you want. I put that to good use in my next big fandom (Smallville).

Social media didn't really exist during the show's original run. How were you most involved with the X-Files online (atxc, message board, email mailing list, etc.)?

I started on Usenet! Then mailing lists, and webrings, but mainly the Gossamer list.

What did you take away from your experience with X-Files fic or with the fandom in general?

(1) Serials are different than works posted all at once, and have different strengths and weaknesses. (2) There are many ways to write a good fic, and somewhat fewer (but still a large number of) ways to write a bad one. (3) Most good fics are bad to some readers, and many bad fics are good to some readers, and that's okay. (4) Summaries can often instruct many readers how a work is meant to be perceived, especially if they already know you as a writer--the importance of authorial intent is clearly not dead and may be unkillable! (5) Fandom has awfulness and greatness in it because fans are people.

What was it that got you hooked on the X-Files as a show?

Dana Scully. Enough said! (Ok, it was Jose Chung's From Outer Space specifically, but Scully generally.)

What got you involved with X-Files fanfic?

I mentioned to a friend that I was really into the show and she said that if I went online there were people writing stories about the characters. I knew about fanfic from childhood fannishness (Star Trek etc.) and so I went looking on this vaguely-understood thing, the internet. At the time I didn't have a computer that ran Windows so I logged onto Usenet at home and used Pine and Mosaic (an early search engine). When I wanted to see pictures I had to go to the computer lab at school.

What is your relationship like now to X-Files fandom?

An ex where I don't have too much memory of the bitter and drawn-out breakup and just have vague nostalgia for the good times. Of course all that was about the show, not the fandom!

Were you involved with any fandoms after the X-Files? If so, what was it like compared to X-Files?

A bunch, including BTVS, Smallville, and Supernatural. I loved them all--my relationships with those fandoms were equally intense, but associated with different times in my life and therefore different availability of time and other resources. I wish I had that new-fandom love again, but right now it's just not happening for me, even though I've experimented.

Who are some of your favorite fictional characters? Why?

Dana Scully, because she is Dana Scully: smart, driven, and good at her job, with occasional daddy issues. Subsequently, Lex Luthor, Olivia Dunham, Dean Winchester. I like characters who are driven by a sense of mission and who are really good at their jobs: competence porn!

Do you ever still watch The X-Files or think about Mulder and Scully?

Not very often; I last did a rewatch about thirteen years ago.

Do you ever still read X-Files fic? Fic in another fandom?

I rarely revisit the XF, but I could definitely be persuaded. I read a fair amount across various fandoms now, but mostly it's dabbling.

Do you have any favorite X-Files fanfic stories or authors?

Waaaay too many to mention. But if I had to choose: Jane Mortimer's The Sin Eater. Totally blew my mind about what fic could do. [Lilydale note: it really is a great fic!]

What is your favorite of your own fics, X-Files and/or otherwise?

I go through patches of love and hate for my own work. Right now I might pick my SPN/Smallville crossover Under Darkening Skies because I had fun with the character voices and I got at least one great set piece out of it (mannequins in a hell dimension).

Do you think you'll ever write another X-Files story? Or dust off and post an oldie that for whatever reason never made it online?

It seems unlikely but I have learned never to say never.

Do you still write fic now? Or other creative work?

For the past few years it's mostly been Yuletide, but I'd love to get back into it more if I can be inspired.

Where do you get ideas for stories?

I have no idea! Usually it was something that bugged me about an episode, or a chance to play with a classic trope, or a random news story that would spark an idea.

What's the story behind your pen name?

Not much of one--it's a variant of my nickname that was available on AOL and I managed to snag it on most platforms fans use, which has been lucky!

Do your friends and family know about your fic and, if so, what have been their reactions?

Most of my friends are fannish and know everything; my family knows generally but basically doesn't want to know specifics, which is fine with me.

Is there a place online (tumblr, twitter, AO3, etc.) where people can find you and/or your stories now?

Archive of Our Own.

Is there anything else you'd like to share with fans of X-Files fic?

Dana Scully Forever!

(Posted by Lilydale on August 18, 2020)

[anver]

More reasons why I hate the SPN finale

I found some more reasons why I hate the last episode. Yes, I am going to keep talking about it, because Tumblr is the only place I can.

(These are my own opinions. Please don't hate me if you think I'm wrong.)

In a finale, I feel like you should either tie all the loose ends together or leave an open ending for the fans to interpretate as they like. They did neither of those things.

The finale didn't follow the usual structure of Supernatural episodes. I have noticed (almost) all episodes go like this:

There is a problem.

The boys find a way to fix this problem.

By like half the episode, they think they've fixed the problem.

The problem comes back.

In approximately the last 10 minutes of the show, they find themselves in a situation that seems impossible to solve.

Then there's suddenly some miraculous way to solve the problem, either by help from others or something they think of themselves.

In this episode, there was only the first step.

Throughout Supernatural, Sam and Dean are treated as equals. They both go to hell, they both have their fair share of loss and pain... And they both put the other before themselves. Mostly they don't fight to save their own lives, but to save the life of their brother. And now you're trying to tell me Sam just let Dean die like that?

It feels like someone just watched the first episodes, the first season of Supernatural and then came up with this ending. All the character development, all the storylines, all the lessons they learned, were just thrown out the window.

Okay, that's it for now, but I'll probably be back, because I can't stop thinking about this.

[yeet-me-into-oblivion-please]

Well, Supernatural is actually ending and I don't know what I'll do

[ Brevity is not a strong suit of mine since I've included personal details but there's stuff I feel everyone in the SPN family needs to read]

You might be expecting another post about how Supernatural saved someone's life and how devastated they will be when it ends because they've watched it for so long as well as how the actors have impacted their lives. This is probably one of those but please hear me out.

Supernatural premiered in 2005 and I was in preparatory class (aged 5 years and was before I began 1st grade). I heard of it because my aunt would watch it time to time so I'd also tried to get some peeks myself but I wasn't allowed to because it was "too scary".

Then our local cable began to show seasons 1-5 and that was when everyone in class started watching and quoting it. This was in 6th grade and I was frustrated because I knew about it before most of them yet they acted like it was a new show. I had a fair idea about the story but once I began watching it, I fell in love with it and loved it like a part of my soul.

Yes, Jensen Ackles was my first crush but I still thought (and do think) that both he and Jared are super hot. So I was sucked into this vortex, this Neverland which I never thought I would end.

I joined Tumblr for this show in 2013 because I saw the jokes about there being a Supernatural gif everywhere and wanted to be a part of the fandom/community. This was also the year I actually became interested what other fans felt though I never used this site properly until 2016 I would read the IMDb discussion boards because I hated scurrying through Destiel-infested posts.

(Fun fact:I wasn't using any social media of my own but on my mother's Facebook I liked a Supernatural fan page asking people's opinions on Destiel. This is was around the time season 8 was just finishing or had already finished so I read the comments--- people talked about Dean and Castiel being gay and didn't approve of it as there was this one girl who was conservative and didn't believe in homosexuality while others went on how Dean was always a ladies man which I agreed with. Not that I commented but I thought there was something I missed and I thought Castiel used Dean as a vessel, thus Destiel.)

But I digress. I was in deep by the time season 9 premiered and majority of the people I knew stopped watching the show except for this girl who bullied me throughout preschool who put up this update that Dean had become a demon. I doubt she watches the show now but it was hard seeing her put pictures of "I heart Dean Winchester" and pictures of Jensen when my mom asked me why I don't do the same.

Supernatural, I feel, has become that embarrassing thing you are into in middle school but suddenly drop when you're older, looking back and thinking, "Yeesh, I can't believe I used to watch this show."

I'll be a grown woman at 30 or 40 and probably eventually in my 70s and 80s but I will still look back fondly, the good, the bad and the ugly because I have like many teenagers have undergone many changes (friends, family, emotions, hobbies etc) but Supernatural has always been this constant in my life.

Because let me tell you, I'm seeing these posts saying stuff like how people are glad that it's finally over with its "bullshit" and that's it's dying. That is extremely disrespectful and insensitive to those people who literally live for it, who have invested time and money into it: gif makers, artists, meta writers (I may not agree with you guys but even you count). They don't know what to do once the show ends because it has helped them in ways others will never ever be able to fathom.

I saw the video put up by the guys. I saw and I could tell that Jared, Jensen and Misha had probably cried their guts out before the announcement because their eyes were red and puffy. Jared was controlling himself by talking less as Jensen was clearly on the verge as well but yes they said that they should save the angst for next year.

I love the guys; I love Jared being a goofball and Jensen being equally goofy as well and I'll say this too, I used to enjoy some of Misha's crass jokes (not the highlight ) as well which was why I looked forward to the gag reel every summer (because of J2) because it was cathartic after a traumatic season finale. I love the witty banter and the pranks the cast would do and I will miss it tremendously.

I have some issues with my aunt but everything would be okay when we would fawn over the guys and bingewatch the entire season the summer after it finished airing. We'd quote quotes back and forth and even spiritually killed ourselves watching short clips of "Sammy, close your eyes", "I'm proud of us" etc. Hell, she even promised me that when we go visit my uncle in the States we'd attend a con together.

If, and whenever we do go, it'll be different because the show won't be on air anymore and I know for a fact that I won't feel the anticipation of an episode.

So don't say disrespectful and callous things like "fucking finally". You can dislike the cast/plotline/show but don't ridicule and mock those who invested in the show,some of you are most probably speculating and have barely seen it.

I'm not some dumb, blind fan. I can see some stupid mistakes and don't always eat up what the writers show. For example, everyone must have figured that I dislike Destiel because it's based on groundless assumptions. I thought the Bloodlines was a crap idea that had nothing to do with the main plot and knew it was destined to fail.

As for Wayward Daughters/Sisters or whatever the fuck it was supposed to be called, I was not looking forward to it at all because it was one of those "forced diversity" shows, y'know gender bent stuff.

I felt that they were bastardising everything that Supernatural has and will (always) stand for because some people had a hair up their backsides. Yeah, I loathed Claire and that Kaia mourning thing was bullshit. Thank goodness I was sick that day and couldn't keep my eyes open for that episode.

If we were told that there would be a Men of Letters(with Henry Winchester) or even a Bobby-Rufus spinoff I would be okay with that but for now since the show will finish next year let's the wounds heal first, shall we?

I hope that Jared and Jensen get some offers once the show is done and I will pay good money to see movies, TV shows of them etc but for now I will keep quiet since I hope we get an ending we (and the boys) deserve.

Yes, the writer situation scares me and I think they should call Eric Kripke for a last hurrah. I mean, it is his baby and he should get to have a say in the series finale as well as J2.

Will one of the brothers die and the other will live (I'm worried we'll get a reverse Swan Song)? Will they both die leaving Cas behind and Jack as some sort legacy who trains future hunters? That would be a possibility since the sheriff in 14.16 asked the Winchesters why they don't tell people about monsters. What happens to Baby?

I seriously doubt the ending will be happy(maybe not 100%) but the best thing would be if they go driving with Baby into the sunset...

Dean at the steering wheel with Sam riding shotgun, where they should be ---- where they will always be, home. Dean plays his "mullet rock" as Sam would playfully mock his brother's musical choices. No chick flick moments. Just the Winchesters.

The boys need to lay their weary heads to rest, so they can cry no more. Because they are the legendary Winchesters, the hunters who saved the world countless times unbeknownst to many. I don't think their work will ever be done but there will be peace when they are done and how they will reach that point we'll never know till 2020.

Everyone will hear "Carry on wayward son" for the last time ever in Supernatural over a painful montage of "Dad's gone on a hunting trip and he hasn't been home in a few days" and "Saving people, hunting things, the family business". Now who in this fandom wouldn't be wracked with pain?

This is the show we all joked about that made a deal with the devil to never go off air but I did expect this a long time ago. Only thing was that I didn't know how I'd treat the news. I was that person who would go, "pfft, of course Supernatural would get renewed". Then again, this was the show that an ending was imminent and the whole season 4 debacle about Misha and the angel storyline saving the show blah blah blah.

So next year, everyone will flock to see the finale and epic conclusion to the Winchester saga whether they stopped at season 5,6,7 or 10,12. Diss it all you want for the shit show it may have become but wherever you left off, you may still want to know what happens to Sam and Dean Winchester in the end.

Once Supernatural ends, I'll turn 20 next summer and I would like to think of it being poetic that I end my adolescence with a show I have loved when I brave the cold, ruthless world of adulthood. I'm a picky person and can't say what's my favorite xyz is but you know what I'll say about my favorite TV show.

We will have completed 327 episodes which is the highest for a scifi TV show so I do hope the boys get some sort of recognition. It was us crazy bitches and jerks that gave the show the mileage and it was us that gave Jared and Jensen faith that they could carry on so for the remainder of season 14 and for 15,support these guys. Support these annoyingly sexy and ridiculously hilarious dudes for this show. I'm sure Jared and Jensen love the show like it's their kid practically but I wish everyone would just shut up, tinhatters, bronlies, stans, destihellers because we are all fans of the one show so let's ease the time we have left.

But seriously imagine Sam and Dean on a desert highway, the orange and yellow rays of the setting sun make Baby shine in all her splendor which makes Dean swell with pride. He starts the engine with a low rumble and they're off. They might to California to feel the sand beneath their feet or to Disneyland. They're living the "apple pie life" and this is their personal heaven : with each other.

I wouldn't mind this playing in the background if the ending is the inevitable and unspeakable you know what :

It's wishful thinking, since I wish they'd actually play some Zeppelin instead of song titles being used as episode titles but I wish they could use some Queen or Guns n Roses and stuff before 1979 because everything sucked ass afterwards according to Dean.

I want the classic rock resurgence in the show as well but I know they'll end up using the cash elsewhere. I wouldn't mind a body swap episode but if wishes were horses, right?

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SPN Questionnaire

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1. When did you start watching Supernatural?

I don’t remember exactly, but it was sometime when either season 4 or 5 were currently airing? My mom got super into it and she started watching it every day so I’d catch bits and pieces of it until I finally decided to watch it from the beginning. I caught up just before season 6 started and I’ve been watching the new eps with my mom ever since. 

...Fun fact the first thing I saw of Supernatural was part of that ep where Sam, Dean, and John go after a group of vampires and from the small part I saw I thought Sam and Dean were the bad guys c’:

2. Who is your favorite in TFW?

I LOVE THEM ALL... but if I had to pick it’d be Sam ;;

3. Who is your least favorite in TFW?

They’re my sons I refuse to pick a least favorite ;;

4. Tag your top 5 Supernatural blogs.

tbh I stayed far away from the Supernatural fandom until I very recently caved and made this blog so I don’t know too many Supernatural blogs c’:

5. Who is your favorite character (not including TFW)?

Either Bobby or Jody! I hate that every time Jody appears I spend the whole ep fearing for her life, why does this show have to keep killing my faves? 

6. Who is your favorite woman in Supernatural?

Jody!! Jo’s a super close second though.

7. John or Mary?

I feel like people would murder me for saying John but he’s such an interesting character? Yeah he’s a shitty dad but he really does mean well 

oh wait that’s just like Sam

8. What were your first opinions of Sam, Dean, Cas, and Jack?

LISTEN I didn’t know the person they were holding a knife to was a vampire so of course I thought Sam and Dean were evil c’:

I honestly don’t remember my first impression of Cas, but I think my mom showed me some funny scenes with him so I liked him?

JACK... I was so sure Cas was wrong and Jack was going to be the big bad lmao. Now he’s one of my favorite characters and I’m very concerned for him.

9. What’s your favorite season?

Probably 1 or 2? I feel like the writers decided episodic monsters of the week wouldn’t keep viewers interested forever so they kept one-upping their big bads with even bigger bads and that started to get ridiculous after season 5. Then again you can’t really top Lucifer without getting ridiculous c’:

I still enjoy the newer seasons (some more than others) but I do miss how simple things were back in S1-2.

10. What’s your least favorite season?

I...wasn’t a huge fan of God’s evil sister or her having some “connection” with Dean so that whole season kind of bugged me ;;

11. Opinions on Destiel?

It’s probably my favorite ship but it’s also a huge reason why I stayed away from the fandom and feel nervous reblogging Supernatural stuff on my personal blog. The fandom is too obsessed with it and I don’t want people to think I’m one of the toxic fans just because I ship it ;;

And honestly I love Dean and Cas as a familial ship too because those are super important and shouldn’t be treated as “less” than romantic ships.

12. Do you believe Supernatural queerbaits?

Maybe? I think they definitely throw in jokes or teases but I’m not sure I’d go as far to call it queerbaiting. It does bug me they killed Charlie but they kill practically everyone so?

13. Seasons 1-7 or 8-14?

1-7

14. Favorite villain (plot wise)?

Does Crowley count as a villain at this point? 

15. Do you think they should end the Lucifer plot line?

Yes c’:

16. Who do you think has gone through more trauma (Sam, Dean, or Cas)?

I feel this isn’t a fair question because the trauma they go through is completely different. 

Dean had to deal with his dad selling his soul for him, with being told he might have to kill his brother, and with being tortured in hell for years. 

But Sam had to deal with the fact he never really got to apologize to his dad before he died, with being told he had demon blood and that his own brother was thinking of the possibility of having to kill him, with being the reason their mother died, and dealing with the pressure of taking control over Lucifer just so he could drag Lucifer down into hell with him.

If I HAD to pick one I’d probably say Dean, just because I recently rewatched the S5 finale and that look of utter despair and hopelessness on Dean’s face when he thinks Sam lost to Lucifer and that he lost his brother and the world was going to end killed me, but I think both of their trauma is pretty equal. 

17. What’s your favorite Supernatural episode?

I think I’d have to go with the one where Dean gets ghost sickness and ends up terrified of everything. 

I 18. Do you like case episodes?

They’re usually my favorites!

19. Who do you relate most to in TFW?

tbh Castiel because I, too, am an extremely socially awkward nerd who can’t use a phone and loves Dean Winchester c’:

20. Why do you like Supernatural?

I got into it because of the humor and the episodic monster hunts, but I fell in love with the characters and they’re definitely the reason I still watch Supernatural. 

21. If you could bring back one character and kill off another who would they be?

I wanna say Adam, but I have to go with Bobby because as great as AU Bobby is, he’s not the same and doesn’t have the same bond with Sam and Dean that their Bobby had ;; 

If I had to kill someone... literally anyone except Jody Lucifer I guess?

Tagging: Uhhh if you’re following me and haven’t done this yet then go for it!!

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Marvel Pep-talk

Pairing: Dean x Reader

Warnings: Language, SPN canon violence, blood, descriptions of injuries, death of character, ANGST (Sorry)

Word Count: 1433

A/N: This was written for @gone-to-fight-the-fairies SPN’s Summer of Superheroes Challenge. My quote was “You get hurt, hurt’em back. You get killed … walk it off.” Said by Steve Rogers/Captain America in Avengers: Age of Ultron. Sorry about all the angst lately but that seems to be what’s easy to write at the moment. This wasn’t originally going to turn out this way, but oh well, shit happens.

Summary: You and the guys go on a werewolf hunt that’s bigger than you’re used to. Just when y’all thought you were done, something happens that changes everything.

*** Graphic Images below the cut *** 

Werewolves. Man, did you hate them. Of course, there had to be a great big pack of them. It couldn’t be just one or a few. No, it had to be four times the size as your little hunting group of three.

You, Sam, and Dean were in Idaho hunting a pack of 12 wolves and it wasn’t easy, despite the fact you all three hunted together very well these bastards were clever. They jumped from city to city to evade capture and it had been working until an hour ago you got a location on the new hideout.

Dean parked the Impala down the road a bit so he didn’t draw any attention to y’all. You were all three standing by the trunk arsenal getting your guns ready and filled with silver bullets. You were watching Dean as he filled his gun with mesmerized by his movements. Something as simple as filling the clip of a gun had you head over heels. You shook yourself from your thoughts when Dean started talking about not having any reinforcements.

“Really? Nobody? This pack is fucking huge. What about Garth?” you asked.

“He’s in Cali on a vamp hunt. Everyone I can think of is either on another hunt or too far away,” Dean replied.

“Well, that’s just fucking terrific,” you complained as you went to work on getting your weapons ready.

Dean’s POV

Dean couldn’t help but smile at your complaining. He always thought it was cute especially when you got all sassy. He watched intently as you checked your gun and placed a couple silver blades in your belt. He admired your expertise with your weapons. You were almost as skilled as he was and he found that impressive. It wasn’t because you were a girl but rather he had been trained his whole life and you hadn’t. He watched as you grabbed the black hair tie off your wrist and threw your hair up in a high pony tail. He thought it was cute that you did that before each hunt.

Truth was Dean was in love with you. At first, he didn’t realize it was happening but after a few years with you hunting beside him and Sammy he knew. He knew that it had been love from the moment he met you.

Y’all met when you were both 26 and it was right after Dean had gotten Sam from Stanford. You saved their asses from a wendigo and you have been together ever since. You were badass and Dean loved that you rivaled him in every way. Your weapon skills, fight skills, hell even your eating skills matched his. However, what he didn’t like so much was that your skills with the opposite sex were as good as his and that made him jealous to the core. But his love for you wasn’t the topic at hand right now, these damn wolves were. Maybe, just maybe, after this hunt he would tell you how he really felt about you.

Dean closed the trunk once everyone had what they needed and turned to you and Sam with a look of seriousness.

“Look guys, a pack this size is unusual and as Y/N pointed out we are severely outnumbered so I need both of you to keep a sharp out ok?” Dean said. You and Sam just nodded your heads.

“That being said, you get hurt, hurt’em back. You get killed … walk it off.” Dean continued.

You and Sam giggled at his words. “Did you really just quote Captain America?” you asked with a smile.

Dean rolled his eyes at both of you. “Shut up,” he said.

“Dude, you do realize someone died in that battle, right?” Sam said as he looked at his brother trying to hold back the laugh.

“Whatever. You and Y/N are the geeks, not me, so no I didn’t know that because I didn’t watch the movie.”

“It’s actually a badass action movie so watching it wouldn’t make you a geek, but I get it. You’d rather enjoy your animated Japanese erotica. Guess you gotta scratch the itch somehow,” you said as you broke out in laughter, Sam following right after.

“Whatever let’s just kill some werewolves and go,” Dean said as he turned on his heel and headed towards the wolf hideout.

The hunt took you a total of an hour and let’s just say it was a bitch. Y’all were littered with scratches ranging from your faces to your legs, but nothing too serious. You were all covered in dirt and blood and utterly exhausted. You were able to get all the wolves in the hideout and were now headed back to the Impala.

Suddenly out of nowhere a female wolf jumps out of the bushes right next to you.

“You killed my husband you bitch,” she sneered as she pounced on you.

You were caught completely off guard and didn’t have time to reach for one of your weapons. She took her claws and buried them deep into your stomach and dragged them across, basically gutting you.

“NNOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!” Dean screamed as he and Sam charged towards the wolf. Since they were out of bullets, the rest being in the Impala, Sam grabbed the wolf off you and Dean plunged a silver blade through her heart, effectively killing her. 

Dean scrambled to your side and grabbed you. He cradled you in his arms while also trying to put pressure on your wounds. This was working in his favor and in the back of his mind he knew he couldn’t do anything, but he had to try.

You looked into Dean’s gorgeous green orbs and saw the tears starting to well. “D-Dean, I don’t think I can walk this one off.”

“Shhh… sweetheart, it’s ok Sammy and I are gonna get you some help, ok? You’re gonna be ok. You can’t die you’re not a Winchester. We’re the ones that die not you,” Dean starting rambling.

“Dean, I-I have to tell you something before I …. Anyway, I love you. I have for a while and was just too afraid to say anything. I just needed you to know.”

Dean’s eyes widened in shock and the tears in his eyes finally fell. “Y/n, sweetheart. Damn it. This isn’t fair. I love you too. So damn much. I loved you since the day you kicked that wendigos ass and saved me and Sammy. You remember that.”

You nodded as your own tears fell.

“You were this beautiful, badass woman that swore like a sailor. You were sassy as hell and god damn it was that sexy as hell. I fell for you on day one. I just didn’t realize it till much later and I didn’t want to say anything because everyone I love ends up here. I lose them. Y/N, please hold on for me. Please don’t leave me. I love you. Damn it, I love you.”

You knew you were fading fast and you wanted nothing more than to hang on for Dean, but it just wasn’t possible. You used your last bit of energy to lift your arm and wipe the tears from Dean’s face. He leaned into your touch and you smiled. “I’m sorry,” you whispered as the world went black.

“Y/n? Y/n, sweetheart please open your eyes. Please,” Dean begged knowing it was useless, you were gone. He just didn’t want to believe it.

Sam, who was kneeled next to you and his brother, sniffled and wiped the tears from his own cheeks. “Dean…. She’s gone,” he was barely able to get the words out. You were as much his best friend as Dean’s.

“No. No Sam. She can’t be. She – It should have been me. Sam, it should have been me,” Dean sobbed as he looked up at his brother.

“It shouldn’t have been any of us. But she – Y/N wouldn’t want you to think like this you know that.”

“Sam, why can’t we be happy? I mean we don’t ask for much. Y/N-she-she made me happy, more than anything or anyone in the world. And Jess made you happy more than anything. Why does this have to happen to us? Why did they have to be taken from us?”

“I don’t know, Dean. I don’t know.”

Both the guys sat there in silence for a few more minutes with tears streaming down their faces. Dean continued to hold you in his arms. He leaned down and kissed your forehead. “You have nothing to be sorry about. I’m the one who is sorry. I’m sorry I let you down, Y/N.”

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"Twigs & Twine & Tasha Banes - Cloning at home brings neither Fun or Profit" or "My thoughts on SPN 12.20"

For previous episodes: 12.01 - 12.02 - 12.03 - 12.04 - 12.05 - 12.06 - 12.07 - 12.08 - 12.09 - 12.10 - 12.11 - 12.12 - 12.13 - 12.14 - 12.15 - 12.16 - 12.17 - 12.18 - 12.19

Now, on to Supernatural 12.20 - "Twigs & Twine & Tasha Banes"

Shows as old as Supernatural tend to attract a wide history of different writing talents. Some clearly need more practice, some occupy the tier of "sometimes ok, but definitely need polishing" writers, and a few sparkling gems either come in with a blast or reach the level of "very good" fairly quickly. This season, luckily, the writers occupying the high levels outnumbers the other two (although there's a writer in the middling level who the jury is still out on, IMO.)

Unfortunately, even the amazing writers are only human. I've noticed that the writers tend to follow that old nursery rhyme about the girl with the curl on her forehead. When they are good (the usual state of affairs), they are very, very good. Sadly, when they are bad, they're horrid. Each one has an episode or two that, although very well-written, are just too horrible in some aspect (plot details, illogical character action, simple horror or gore, or far too tragic) to watch more then once.

Take one of our favorite writers of past seasons, the Fandom's (especially the Cas girls) original best friend, Ben Edlund. The man wrote masterful episodes, like the Cas-centric heart-breaker "The Man who would be king" in season 7, the tragic story of broken hunters at the end of the world in "The End" in season 5, and balanced that with the fairly lighthearted romps of "Bad Day at Black Rock" in season 3, "Monster Movie" and "Wishful Thinking" in season 4 (I dare you not to think of that Teddy Bear and not laugh), "Clap your hands if you believe" in season 6, and "Everyone hates Hitler" in season 8. But he also wrote the hard-to watch episode "Repo Man" in season 7. Sure, it had a great monologue from Jeffrey to Dean about finding yourself missing the powerful being you never thought you would, but the entire second half of that episode just makes you cringe in horror as the serial killer goes about his rather gory summoning ritual. He also wrote "My Bloody Valentine" in season 5, one of the few episodes to successfully be so gory that I was unable to continue eating my dinner the night it first aired.

(I'd mention anything badly done by Fandom's second best friend, Robbie Thompson, but after going over his episodes, I realized he didn't have any horrid ones. His episodes were universally amazing. God, I miss that man.)

A current writer on my favorites list, Robert Berens, has given us such delights as Cas's attempt at civilian life in the wonderfully written "Heaven can't wait" and the introduction of Alex in "Alex Annie Alexis Ann" in season 9, the first character interactions of Rowena in "Girls Girls Girls" in season 10 and the gorgeous time-travel episode of "The Vessel" in season 11. He also, however, gave us the suicide circus that was heartbreakingly depressing "The Werther project" in season 10, and co-wrote another hard-to-watch cycle of depression and suicidal tendencies that was "Red Meat" in season 11.

Andrew Dabb wrote a whole host of brilliant character episodes, from "Dark side of the moon" in season 5, "Weekend at Bobby's" and "Frontierland" in season 6, the delightful "Hunteri Heroici" in season 8, "Road Trip" in season 9, and "Inside Man" in season 10. But he also wrote a few that really missed the mark, like the utterly terrible wedding episode in season 7, the aforementioned "Red Meat", and the saddest one of the bunch - the uncontested misfire of an attempted series launch, "Bloodlines" in season 9. (Now, I appreciated how it shown a light on the potential queer-baiting of Supernatural by showing that all the lines said from Cas to Dean and vice versa can be clearly seen as romantic by everyone if said by opposite sex characters, but the episode itself was one of the most boring episodes of any show I've ever seen. "Bloodlines" actually failing worked out in our favor, though, as it meant Dabb was around to become show-runner this season. So it worked out in our favor.)

Now, we have Yockey, who started out very well by writing the very good "Celebrating the Life of Asa Fox" and continuing his good streak with “Lily Sunder has some regrets”, before giving us this rather more disappointing episode.

What happened this episode was horrid. The writing and direction was very well-done, certainly (I don’t dispute that), but I could have done without much of the plot entirely. The twins were some of the best characters we've been introduced to in a while. They were complex characters with multiple ties to the Hunting world, one of which would have gotten them hunted down and shot in the past. On top of that, they were characters of color, one was a woman, and the other was a canonically gay male who wasn't there to be a stereotype of "flamboyant gay male" or the comic relief. They were real. They were also lovely symbols of diversity in the Hunting community, and a symbol of just how far the show has come in the last 12 years, when it started with most hunters being white males with a annoying tendency to womanize (with a few rare exceptions, it seemed). So, of course, the show destroys them.

This is why we can't have nice things. Why the hell would you create such lovely characters and then doom them for all eternity? It wasn't bad enough that you kill the female twin, but you doomed the gay male witch to hell to get her back. Really, Supernatural? Are you actively trying to offend the fan-base? Now, granted, they could get out of it (Heaven knows the guys do all the time), but it's still not fair to give us such nice characters like the twins and then take them away like that.

Considering how Steve Yockey's other episodes have gone this season, I was not expecting him to be the one to do that. But I understand that it may not even have been his choice, it might have been an order passed down from Dabb and Singer. As a result, I'll give the guy a pass. This'll go in my list as Yockey's designated blip episode.

(A moment to commend our very own Richard Speight Jr on his direction this episode. The plot may not have been to my taste, but the shots were well-chosen and I loved the direction of the episode, particularly in the MoL bits. Well done.)

With my disappointment in the plot choices out of the way, I must express my love of how the character of the mother of the twin was played. Tasha was fabulous. Sure she wasn't what I expected, and she wasn't perfect, but she was a great character. It's great to see a strong female character who was both a hunter and an affectionate mother. I have no doubt that other mothers on the show love their children (Mary, Linda, Jody are all fiercely protective of their kids - birth or adoptive - and clearly love them,) but you have to admit, they aren't the most physically expressive characters. The twins were right. Outside of Dean's heaven or a few emotional moments at the beginning of season 12, Mary is clearly not a hugger. She doesn't use affectionate names for the guys. She tends to treat them as equals, not as her children (understandable, given the fact she missed their childhoods.)

Tasha was nearly Mary's opposite. She's a witch as well as a Hunter, a mother with a lifetime around her children, and someone who was very expressive with her children. She spent the episode calling them "baby", which interestingly enough, actually rather endeared her to me. Thanks to the references to her in "In Memory of Asa Fox", despite the fact that we've only met her in this episode, I actually became very quickly attached to her... an inconvenient problem since it was obvious from the start of the episode that she was already dead. I spent most of the episode hoping it was possible to resurrect her.

Probably doesn't help that her speech patterns and personality reminds me of my mom. I kept wanting to give her a hug.

Tasha had a good point about the changing view of your parents as you age, though. As a child, I thought my parents were perfect. As I have grown older, though, I had the realization she stated, that your parents are simply people trying the best they are able. (Mime didn't come out well in the re-evaluation process. Mom was human, but still came out generally awesome in most regards. Dad... not so much.) I personally feel that Tasha did well at her job. John had a much harder time of it. It would have been interesting to see what Mary might have done if she'd been around. Could she have been like Tasha? Or would she have been more like John, well-meaning but a bit neglectful? I'd like to think the former is most likely.

Since when are demon deals transmittable? And how the heck would passing on the deal get the power-hungry human out of hell? Supernatural has always operated on the idea that if you made a deal or got your powers from a demon, you went to hell (baring some sort of special deal on the Demons part). By that standard, since she did both, the witch would go to hell, regardless of if she passed on her powers and deal or not.  What does she really stand to gain? A more comfortable torture chamber? There's just far too many questions left about that sequence.

Another thing that came to mind. "In memory of Asa Fox" told us that the Winchesters are famous in hunting circles. Are you telling me that Max has never heard about what can go wrong with Demon deals? Every hunter in the community, no matter how green, should already know about that sort of thing. Of course, they should all have the anti-possession tattoos as well, and they don't. Maybe the Hunting community is just uncooperative with each other? But considering who their dad was, and how he died, the twins should have informed, at least.

Dean was so upset by Cas's actions last episode that he doesn't even once consider that Cas might be acting under his own free will. In that, I agree with him. I do however find it interesting how Dean is so deeply attached to him that he simply will not entertain the idea that Cas might be willing to do something harmful to humanity. He talks a big game about only trusting himself and Sam, about not having faith in anything, but he clearly has deep faith in Cas. If Cas is acting in a way he doesn't understand, he's clearly being "puppet-mastered". (I don't disagree, I'm just tickled at Dean having such a deep attachment to someone that 10 years ago, he likely would have shot on sight. Hell, he *did* shoot him on sight.)

I wonder if that was his first reaction on waking up in the playground, or if there was something else first?

I love what they have said about how they're looking for him. Seeing the community of characters working together to try to find him makes the show seem more real, somehow. (Although I do wonder how Jody explained the APB on a stolen Nebraska pick-up truck carrying a pregnant lady and a tax accountant. And I'm surprisingly saddened by the fact that Cas ditched his cell.)

Supernatural is essentially a 12 year long story about making bad choices when your back is against the wall. Every character has done it at some point, usually living long enough (or resurrecting quickly enough) to regret it. (Sam had season 4, 8 and 10 ; Dean had seasons 2 and at least 2 incidents in season 9; Cas had seasons 4, the end of 6 and early 7, several times in season 8 and once in season 11.) This season, it seems, it's the turn of our favorite secondary characters.

This episode in particular, Max goes through the episode convinced everything is fine. Whether it's caused by his confidence in his and his mothers powers and their resulting enhanced ability to defend themselves, or a natural human reluctance to imagine anything in his life changing, Max finds himself the only one left standing with no real options left. His powers are essentially useless this episode, as the witch ends up being killed by a gun instead of anything Max could do. Max could only stand there and watch what happened. This had to make him feel useless, especially in the face of losing everything familiar all in one day, which probably helped influence him to make that deal at the end. (He still has a grandmother, sure, but he knows very little of her. It'd still feel like he lost everything.)

His story this episode is actually similar to Dean at the end of season 2. Both sold their soul to get back their only known sibling in some manner, with a trip to hell as the destination at the end. We can only hope that Max has a better result at the end than Dean did, especially as once he leaves, Alicia's new form disappears as well. (Although, if you want to give the guy his own angel, go right ahead.)

And then there was this, tweeted just before the episode,so I guess we should have expected the similarities.

(I loved the call-back to the original call to action line in the pilot. I also loved that this time, it was Sam who said it. Now he gets to motivate his brother, who'd rather stay in one place and get back his closest friend. This show does love narrative mirroring. No sticking Cas on the burning ceiling, though. No water-covered floors, either.)

I thought it was interesting that when Sam answered the phone call, Dean identified the caller by mentioning Max first, and he immediately showed off the armory to Max when they arrived at the twins location. The show was definitely trying to identify Max with Dean, likely for the purposes of setting up the "demon deal for your sibling" move later, but it has interesting connotations for Dean's character as well. Dean has been in close friendly contact (or identified with) with several queer characters a lot of time the last 2 seasons (Also consider that Dean was often the most closely identified with Charlie, and is frequently closely associated with Jody, Claire, Donna and other characters who contrast with the stereotypical "macho Hunter" stereotype, and most of whom come from a lot earlier then season 10. Dean is also shown this season to be very similar in attitude, behavior, and tastes as Mary. It leads me to believe they are deliberately trying to play up the feminine aspects to Dean's character). Although I doubt they'll ever have the guts to expressly write in "bisexual Dean" or "destiel" canonically, it's a lovely nod to the fan theories and interests by Dabb, Yockey and all.

(For fun reading, look here. It seems Dean is the one that most often encounters these types of characters, in both good and bad examples.)

Mary has had quite the journey this season as well, and she seems to have taken an important turn in that path in this episode. Mary has finally taken a stand and chose a side, thankfully choosing her sons over the rather fanciful dream of "a world without monsters". The dream itself is laudable, certainly, but highly unrealistic. Considering how many monsters have been thought exterminated in the past and still returned, not to mention the presence of demons and ghosts, there will always be things in the dark hunting people. And even if the monsters somehow disappear, there are also the human monsters, like the Stynes or Doc Benton. There will always be a reason for Hunters.

Unfortunately for Mary, the other side is rather well equipped and happy to employ unorthodox means to win, so the next stretch of her journey (however long it is) is likely to be a painful one. Hopefully, the guys will be able to rescue her quickly.

I honestly cheered during Mary's fight with Mr Ketch. (Mary kicks ass in that fight.) I loved that when push came to shove, Mary gets really irritated at someone insulting and threatening her boys. Besides, it's not like she didn't warn him back in "Stuck in the Middle (with you)". And I love that her irritation manifests itself in a good shot to the jewels and a round with the enocian brass knuckles. Hitting Mr Ketch where it really hurts, especially with a tool the Winchesters got from the Men of Letters themselves, just seemed super-fitting.

The tracking wall in that restricted room intrigued me. It looked like they're using some sort of technology to keep an eye on them, but why are they using such high-tech tools when they started the season using a obviously low-tech and magic-based communications tools earlier the season? Did they suddenly get a good deal on tech? Was Mick just a guy enamored with old-fashion tools?

(Poor Mick. Left to rot in the armory in a shipping trunk. I hope he's either in heaven, or haunting the headquarters somewhere, scaring the crap out of Men of Letters minions.)

Or are they using magic spells to track everyone? If that's the case, why can't the guys use them? Did the MoL not put those spells in the archives of the American MoL chapter-house? That seems awfully obnoxious of them. It's to be expected from a group run by a non-magic Umbridge clone, though.

I was glad to see a reappearance of a number of people and things that have been repeatedly mentioned this season, although I'm not nearly as pleased by how many of them reappeared. The Men of Letters keeping trackers on everyone that could be or was once a creature is a bit distressing. I was also dismayed with the realization that since both Garth and Claire were on the watch-wall, that Mick likely included mention of both in his report about the werewolf case. I find that disappointing. Claire I could understand, he'd have to mention her conversion to prove the cure works, but mentioning Garth was unnecessary.

And how many of the things they keep repeating will show up in the last few episodes of this season? I know they've mentioned the hunting community being affected, and I know of one that pops up by the end, but what of the others? Will Garth, Eileen and Claire make it to the end? Will they get attacked by the MoL? Will Dean ever get to use that Rocket Launcher? (Please, Show, let him launch it into the MoL headquarters.)

Although I love a few of the events and characters that show up in this episode and the episode was actually rather well-written, I was not pleased with the plot-line about the twins. Considering the writer has done really well both writing and how he treats the characters and the plots in his other episodes, I'm hoping that what happened with the twins was dictated by higher powers than him. If not, this episode will end up an outlier for him. Now we just have to see how the episode affects the rest of the season.

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3 episodes left. The last 2 are paired together, so that makes 2 weeks left, May 11 and May 18.

See you there.

[eisforeidolon]

Thank you for answering my question! I was the one who asked if it was the norm for this fandom to use the LGBTQ+ community as a defense for their very disgusting behavior. Thank you for being honest about this fandom. I noticed the hate towards the actors and other people involved with making this show a few times, but I really got into this fandom a few weeks ago and saw how many people hated on Jared and Jensen after the latest con. (1/2)

Honestly the things Jared said were not really offensive, at least to me, but I Honestly the things Jared said were nice to hear. It was pretty cool seeing someone defend the Platonic love presented in spn openly. It just seems strange how some people weaponize sexuality, which can and is very important to a lot of people to make a point about fictional characters. Can you recommend any blogs to follow? I'm thinking about making a Tumblr.(2/2)

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Sure! To be as fair as is possible, the answer Jared gave wasn't particularly direct or coherent. However, I think anyone who cares to understand what he was trying to say can understand it pretty easily, though: there are many different kinds of love outside of sexual attraction and the show was always about those other kinds of love. Especially in the context of Jared having said before that he particularly liked how Supernatural was never centered on romance. I think he got tangled up a bit in his words trying not to offend or devalue other interpretations like that of the person asking, which was awkward, but there was nothing objectively offensive or unexpected in what he said.

The problem is that those certain D/C shippers (we coined the term 'destihellers' to refer specifically to the entitled bully contingent of the ship) were never going to accept any answer but, "Yes, Castiel's confession was 100% romantic and Dean understood it that way and would absolutely have reciprocated if given the chance." They've spent years insisting the real One True Story of this show was a D/C romance, feeling superior for their ability to decipher all the totally intentional elaborately hidden clues to that secret storyline (like Dean looking at someone wearing tan meaning he was pining for Castiel) and mocking, slandering, and harassing anyone who didn't agree. Part of that has been spending a year as of today insisting there was literally no other possible interpretation of what Castiel said - even though had the writers simply substituted "in love with" for "love" it would have removed all ambiguity. So Jared's answer acknowledging that the scene left room for other interpretations and wasn't explicitly romantic just because Castiel said the word love is completely unacceptable and made them disproportionately angry.

This is not remotely this first time this has happened. Generally, after either J says anything about D/C not being the point of the show or Misha not being a lead equal to them, this particular group of fans manages to find *something* to be deeply offended by. Heck, right now? Some of them are angry that Jared trended last night for tweeting about Walker because they saw his very existence on SM as encroaching on their intent to spam today on the anniversary of that episode's airing.

It's a great thing that fandom can be a more inclusive space where people from various groups can feel safe revealing aspects of themselves that face widespread discrimination IRL. It's not a great thing that some people have seen this as the perfect way to win petty fandom arguments, insisting anyone who disagrees with them must be -ist/-ic towards the whole group they belong to.

I don't think I'm really the person to ask for recommendations, as I haven't kept great track of which blogs I follow are specifically just the bro bond and not bro bond plus wincest, because as the core canon content focus is similar there's a lot of overlap. So I'm gonna toss this one to my followers/people who see this post if they wanna make any suggestions on good blogs to follow for celebrating just the canon platonic relationships. Anybody?