#but i will say that the boy pursuing ‘angela’ looks a Lot like henry
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alright, i know you specifically mentioned sleepaway camp, but i’d REALLY like to draw attention to the story which i believe inspired the movie: the case of david reimer
david reimer was originally born as bruce peter reimer with his identical twin brother brian reimer. i don’t think i need to explain the importance of them being twin brothers. now, both boys developed phimosis, which led to their referral of circumcision at 7 months old
the first boy they planned to circumcise was peter, and his was done so through electrocauterization. which…
not unusual for brenner!
the thing about this procedure was that the doctor fucked it up hard and essentially burned peter’s dick off. because of this, they decided not to operate on brian, and his phimosis cleared up on its own
basically, the parents of these kids took peter to a “gender specialist” known as john money (aka the worst human being ever). he recommended peter undergo a sex reassignment surgery and be raised as brenda reimer
now, i’m gonna skip ahead in this timeline really quick just because david’s death does support the belief that edward is the one who got fucked up here. david shot himself in the head with a sawed off shotgun.
yeah so this is definitely edward
i only mention all of this as a potential parallel because it does seem like sleepaway camp was inspired by the story and. lines up pretty well with edward too
warning for child sexual abuse below the cut
alright, so this is kinda more speculatory, but what’s so horrific about the case of david and brian, beyond what was done to david, is that they were forced to partake in “sexual rehearsal” with each other under john money’s watch and command.
beginning at age six till nearly 14, the boys were forced to rehearse sex with each other as money believed this was what would be key to their gender development.
we already know that brenner likely commits sexual abuse with these children and we definitely know that virginia, if not doing anything herself, permitted and encouraged it. the photography of the boys gets me because we know brenner records edward being tortured by those electric shocks
money also happened to get very aggressive with the boys and demand things of them. whenever they tried to resist, he’d get angrier.
this specific event being noted by the brothers is also important because of how we see el react to her new clothes. brenner clearly did not care about her privacy and had her change in front of people, and this behavior is mirrored by john money
really, what this would mean in terms of edward having given birth to el himself, is that the father very likely could’ve came from henry. i’m not too sure how the genetics of powers apply, so i won’t dive deep into this possibility, but . yk. brenner is a horrible awful person as per usual
basically all this is is just. yeah . edward totally could’ve given birth to those kids, including el. henry may even be the father! these are not separate concepts!
Mother is God, In The Eyes of a Child
This has got to be my farthest-fetched theory, and its more of a collection of observations that weave together than an actual theory. However...there's something distinctly weird about all this.
It started here:
Max steps on spider egg sacs in Vecna's mind lair, and the babies spill out.
"If there's a spider, you're never gonna find it 'till it lays eggs and the babies spill out"
Then Vecna killing Patrick while looking distinctly like a spider on a web, a direct comparison to those black widows.
And I talked in the discord chat talking with Em for a while like. They. They wouldn't. Right? And I've been sitting here thinking about the last time I said "they wouldn't...right?" So here we go.
"Of course you have a mother. You couldn't really have been born without one."
But Mama is dead...
just like One doesn't exist.
And whoever you are, either you aren't home (which, you're "Terry's daughter" in Terry's home which was decorated for you in hopes that you'd come home 🤨)...or you aren't Terry's daughter.
but wait: Mr. Mom? Perfect!
Mr. Mom...which leads straight to the lab going haywire:
Because of the Mind Flayer, who we know is (most likely) a version of Edward.
And "sleepyhead" is a parent thing...but it's specifically a mom thing, and it comes from the guy who's likely Edward. Why are you, as a man, so distinctly mother?
And so I'm looking at all of his God coding:
And I'm looking at his talk of spiders, particularly black widows, being the gods of our world:
There's also this particular dialogue parallel with Carrie's mother:
As well as Black Widow "God of Our World" 001 and Henry "Sensitive (Gay) Child" Creel, framed this way in back to back shots.
One of them has the rainbow flag and the other's got the black widow spider, makes sense...right? (Sure. Except not really.)
He also has a ton of God coding in his music choices:
Except, when we look at the songs he alone or he and El are overlaid with...Akhnaten is functionally a mezzo-soprano. In the pieces we hear specifically, Akhnaten sings in the same range or higher than Nefertiti.
Which then gets me thinking about the Silent Hill parallels (that Em has talked about here), and specifically this one line of dialogue from Dahlia:
And the fact that every single black widow spider reference regarding Henward/Vecna/001 has been about female black widows, never male ones:
As well as a good portion of his rant being about:
- Being vaguely broken (what's wrong with him is never said) - His kinship with spiders (specifically the female black widows) - Society's oppressive made-up rules - Being forced to pretend (unspecificed as to what, exactly, he's pretending about...all we get is "a silly, terrible play") - Reproduction
Then the fact that Vecna kind of has a thing for showing up as mothers:
And on top of all that...the fact that Vecna somehow lost his dick along the way. Where did it go????????
There's also all the birthing and reproduction imagery that goes along with the UD, most blatantly in the scene where El crawls out of the same hole the Demogorgon came through:
As well as these movies from the ST4 Movie Board:
Ace Ventura Pet Detective: Finkle has a sex change to assume a new identity and seek vengeance.
Let The Right One In: Vampire girl who is really a boy being forced to live as a girl
Sleepaway Camp: Girl named Angela who is actually a boy named Peter being forced by his aunt to live as a girl after his twin sister (the real Angela) was killed in an accident. (Wibble knows more about this one than I do, but I'm staring at Peter Ballard and all of our Angela's parallels to the lab)
Splice: Female Human-Animal hybrid "dies" (is actually in a coma) and undergoes a spontaneous sex change to male and proceeds to go berserk.
Silence of the Lambs: Main villain is a blonde, wavy-haired cross-dressing serial killer.
And then with the parallels to Room (even if it isn't on the ST4 Movie Board):
Plus Will's Alan Turing poster and the castration stuff that goes along with that..and the "Henry" that shows up behind him:
What in the gender is going on here?
#this is not the hog wild i planned on going becuase i thought there’d be more info but the twins didnt share much about their lives and i do#not blame them in the slightest#however i will do a full analysis on sleepaway camp itself at some point#but i will say that the boy pursuing ‘angela’ looks a Lot like henry
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