#but for some reason the implications of saying Original Sin in Genshin

[boysnberriespie]

Trying to figure out what makes some certain types of fantasy fiction feel off kilter when they allude to specific Christian concepts lol

[narwhalandchill]

also mistake not my silence on the summer event story now that its all out for not paying attention bc. well firstly not going to be the subject of this post but seriously just the . Overall implications of the whole thing when it comes to teyvat and genshin as a whole? wild stuff like are they rly out there revealing the entire cosmology now 😭 (tho i kinda have. Mixed thoughts as well)

anyway secondly and most importantly because of course i have priorities (its ajax we all know) . soooo simulanka and names eh?

HUH!

well not that i was any doubter to begin with in that it like. meant something when hit game jenshin impact featuring guy already foreshadowed and being set up for some real curious world-overturning and celestia torching business etc etc etc coincidentally named. ajax. among other things. that the same game happening to Also begin introducing this whole other ajax/aias as an actual historical figure featured within the games lore and legends. would very much be just a massive fucking thing we Should be taking very seriously in terms of his future development but like thanks very much for confirming it too uwu

anyway let us look at my favorite french cultist scribbled note for no particular reason once more just to celebrate the occasion

i mean what can i say man . truly the endgame relevance long term allegations continue undodged 😤😤

anyway whats kinda funny to me is the way a lot of ppls reaction to this name confirmation seems to be like. omg ajax is in trouble now bc irl mythology ajax died and ajax/aias of genshin also seems to have possibly had a shit fate by the end im so worried omg . when like. literally the second part to this whole "name = inheriting destiny" thing we see in simulanka is that . with the right circumstances . the one that inherits the name and destiny is not necessarily doomed to that exact same outcome as the original . like we all did see how we saved simulanka durin right?? and how the existence of mini durin may now open up the possibility of teyvats durin to receive a different outcome to his tale???? right??

like why do ppl have so little faith in childe im 😭 like if you ask me hes Already giving indication of defying his fate in a multitude of ways (vision malfunction being a big one) so personally i simply think we need to let him do his thing and see where he goes with it . i have faith in him like if Anyones abt to subvert the fate hes been set up with be it due to his name or any other reason . its gonna be him lmao

like. its not even new stuff kwdwdjkdwjk

either way tho . even if this fucker straight up "dies" or goes MIA im not even that worried bc. ppl worrying about this "tragic fate" his namesake seems to be conferring to him by default with simulankas explicit confirmation of a names meaning . and its just are we straight up missing the fact that this historical ajax/aias is Literally connected to that rent free narzissenkreuz note that EXPLICITLY aligns this "tragedy" with the theme of REBIRTH. and becoming a descender straight up .

like maybe its just me but this Really isnt giving "omg childe is going to die due to mirroring the fate of ajax" its giving "childe is Literally being set up to become sth descender equivalent one way or another AND theyre doubling down on it now" im sorry 😭

like. even the implications of phrases like. "forsaking the self" to be reborn in the abyss just reminds me of this. weird panic people have around childes vision malfunction as if its like. vision is GOOD ambition and his GOOD ending and his GOOD characteristics and it malfunctioning means BAD EVIL SIN ambition and WRONG characteristics is taking over!!!!!!!11! hes being torn into two different directions and the abyss is bad and vision (=celestia) is good!!!!!1

and its like. say we even buy that (but like dang what a sustainer sponsored take to have in a. gnostic inspired lore environment JWSJKJKSF) . that his. "correct" and "healthy" destiny as vision wielder (that Every single recipient of a "gods EYE" gets like forcibly and irrevocably bound to by design and surely this isnt problematic at all) . is a part of that "self" that is being forsaken and twisted as his destiny pushes against celestias control and his connection to said vision falters . lets say we assume that is a "bad" thing for his "intended" path and destiny somehow .

(which YES it prolly is. but only within the bounds of a world order set up by the heavenly principles!!! of COURSE the HP would force people into destinies and paths that Only serve the continuity of its rule!!! and doesnt shake up the system!! like yes a vision likely represents and assigns to people a "Good" ambition but thats not from the recipients POV thats from celestias POV and at this point its just. fellas. we are not supposed to buy into that at face value lmao)

which like. again. i v much dont buy anyway i think every single time genshin calls something sin or forbidden it should be assessed v critically.

but even with that assumption we can still see how this very note is already implicating that "forsaking the self" is Literally a prerequisite . in this grand destiny featuring ajax/aias . for reaching True rebirth as a holy infant and a descender and all that . for defying the shackles of the heavens . for gaining a will that rivals the world . right???

+ also if like. forsaking the self being mayhaps and perchance more of a GOOD thing in a world with preordained and unyielding destiny set up by false divinity wasnt already established enough

welp thank you rene narzissenkreuz.

oh "excising the self" you say?? that sure sounds a bit like "forsaking the self" doesnt it ??? how curious that it would be considered less of a "death" and more of a "rebirth" indeed . and that a vision to a cultist very invested in the methods available to Defy a prophecy and fate is very much a bad thing to receive . like what a coincidence that we would have a note like this as an established character already tied to a note you wrote about acquiring a descenders will is experiencing vision compatibility issues its very funny indeed.

so like ig what im trying to say is just idk for me personally if ajax is out there forsaking his self by any metric im just gonna be cheering him on <3

but yeah jkqjkwdjkwdjkwd dont mind me im just kinda rent free with how its now just even more confirmed by hoyo that this insane ajax/aias note stuff is Not meant to be coincidental At All (even tho its very funny ppl doubted the signifance to begin with at all). but also i just dont get the panicking abt it being some bad thing lmao like this is just genuinely hype as fuck for him 😭😭😭

[ophiuchus-dearest]

Theory Time: Teyvat and Aether's Role!

Disclaimer: This post contains spoilers for Genshin Impact and 4.1. Click at your own accord! ;)

Before I do get into it, this theory will divide into two parts. Part I (this one) focuses on the possibly plot of the game, and Aether's role. Part II will focus on Lumine and the Erosion.

When 4.1's Special Program took place, the names of the remaining Acts were released, the final act being "Cataclysm's Quickening", which is the basis for this and the adjacent theory to be posted another time.

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Background:

Now, as we see in the Prologue quest with Venti, his nation does not question him, and its people believe in him and worship no matter the circumstances even though he seems MIA for a very long time. His nation has a statue with "Gateway to Celestia" inscribed at its pedestal/base.

Once we get to Liyue, Zhongli's nation, we see how it also doesn't falter in its belief, but seems to want to be on it's way towards progress too. Zhongli tests his nation whilst retiring to make sure "they don't need him" once he is not their Archon any longer. Zhongli *might* sound truthful in his reasoning, but there's very obvious implications that there are ulterior motives to alot of his actions as shown during his Story Quests.

Inazuma is the first nation we encounter, whose original archon has been replaced. The situation goes severely downhill from Inazuma onwards, where there's an obvious pattern of faltering belief in the respective Archons.

Sumeru too, is rather self-explanatory, with Apep's distaste towards Nahida, and the people seeing her as incapable, with the Akademiya deeming her a Lesser god than Rukkhadevata and isolating her from her own nation.

With Fontaine, based on what we have so far, it is stated Fontaine's people did not listen to their original archon when she warned them of the prophecy. They technically still don't, and Furina seems to be a bit of a joke among people.

During the opening cutscenes of the game, the Sustainer says the following:

Some theories suggest that Aether and Lumine committed some form of sin themselves, but this is personally rather unlikely. The Sustainer clearly refers to the Twins as Outlanders, and first puts one of them to sleep after stating that Mankind's arrogation will end. To abide by the canon, we will use Aether as our MC, with Lumine being the Abyss Princess.

After Aether wakes up, he travels through Mondstadt, finding that his Sister is now what seems to be a 'villain' of sorts. (This, and Lumine's role and why she is not a Descender will be elaborated on in the other theory post.)

The chapters played so far have foreshadowed Aether's crucial role in the Heavenly Principles' plan of ensuring that Mankind maintains firm belief in God, ideally like Mondstadt. This explains Khaenri'ah's destruction and other events in the game.

Now, thinking of Mondstadt as an 'ideal' nation, it makes sense that Venti is the strongest Archon because his people believe in him no matter what, followed by Zhongli, because the people of Liyue are still loyal to him despite his 'death', going so far as to refusing to believe he is gone.

It is Venti's nation that has the privilege of having what is called the Gateway to Celestia.

What is Celestia? A heavenly abode.

Therefore making that gateway the Gateway to "Heaven".

Keep note, that every archon besides Venti and Zhongli have been replaced, and all these nations have issues with their beliefs in their god.

This war is described to be akin to the very first war against the Vishaps who once ruled the land.

As per the old texts found throughout Enkanomiya and other areas in Teyvat, we find out that The Primordial One had fought a war with The Second Who Came, and likely emerged as the victor. This war is described as follows:

The Primordial One:

Both of these are implied to have arrived after the Heavenly Principles. It seems as though The Second Who Came opposed whatever it was that The Primordial One stood for, but its fate has not yet been explained. There are speculations that it may very well be The Sinner shown in the Caribert Quest.

The Second Who Came:

I'll link a video that actually explains it pretty well:

https://youtu.be/khgZI6qIggY?feature=shared

4.1's Special Program revealed the title of Act IV to be 'Cataclysm's Quickening'. As much as this seems like a farfetched guess at best, it's important to consider that the title implies that the Cataclysm from 500 years ago isn't over. Which means Khaenri'ah is not the only victim.

Celestia is currently situated somewhere near Fontaine, likely within Fontaine's perimeters as well. There is a high chance that Act IV might be related to this occurance, and it's also very likely the events of this would be similar to what occurred in the Chasm.

In order, the Heavenly Principles are likely the first descenders, followed by the Primordial One, and then the Second Who Came, followed by Aether and Lumine.

With each descender, a major change was brought upon Mankind, which seems to be dictated by the Principles who came first.

And judging by the events that took place so far, the Principles need mankind to follow a God, punishing and eradicating the civilizations that don't. It's implicit with Act IV's title, that the Cataclysm does not solely refer to Khaenri'ah's destruction, but the destruction of those nations that fail to follow their Archon.

Now, enter Aether, who one of the speculated Descenders. What exactly is his role besides being an Outlander who, along with his sister, was prevented from leaving by the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles?

Aether's Role: The Prophet

(Note that I am using Aether due to the 'canon' lore, where Aether is meant to be the traveller.)

Now, we all know that every quest in Genshin Impact is divided into Chapters and Acts, akin to a play. Aether/Traveller fills the role of the protagonist. However, analyzing a bit deeper, there is a pattern being followed with Aether's journey.

There are memes of Aether 'solving every Archon's problem', something which even pointed out by Paimon during the events of the game.

In each region, Aether seems to solve the Archons' problems, and ultimately replenish their Nation's belief in them.

In Mondstadt, Aether purifies Dvalin's taintedness. Every Mondstadter bar Dvalin before then, had firm belief in Barbatos.

In Liyue, Aether proves to be a crucial element in orchestrating Liyue's test of loyalty to Morax.

In Inazuma, the Vision Hunt Decree is dissolved, and the people are slowly working towards worshipping Baal/Beelzebul without fear, while she learns to better her ways.

In Sumeru, memories of "Greater Lord Rukkhadevata" are forgotten, and the people admire and worship Buer wholeheartedly.

Here, Aether seems to complete and fit the role of a Prophet/Saint who guides Mankind back to worship. (Remember, the Sustainer does not group Aether and Lumine with Mankind, and refers to them as Outlanders.)

Aether's name means something on the lines of Heaven, the Sky and Light. Some meanings also suggest that the name means the Primordial God of Light. In Abrahamic religions, Light is often associated with Guidance and salvation, making Aether's role as a Prophet of sorts make more sense.

In Zhongli's case specifically, he has a contract with someone, which asks that he keep his silence, as stated by his second Story Quest.

Paimon, and even Zhongli and Venti can be assumed to be pushing Aether towards fulfilling his role as Teyvat's guiding Light. Both Zhongli and and Venti have been alive long enough to witness, and know what has happened to Teyvat, but both have ultimately refused to tell Aether anything.

Recap:

The Principles require every human in Teyvat to follow a god, and Aether's role is that of a Prophet.

Faltering belief in God results in destruction akin to the Cataclysm that is ongoing. Zhongli, Venti and Paimon are intermediates making sure Aether performs his predetermined role.