#but early SMP primeboys still gets to me

[sing-me-under]

The only thing I really regret in this fandom is not writing more primeboys/positive disc duo, but that’s okay because I hope we’ll be fed in season 2.

[balillee]

my unpopular dsmp opinions, some of which genuinely should be popular

c!dream has crossed the moral event horizon and is irredeemable. once you cross that threshold, you're no longer a 'morally grey' character.

pre-recorded, heavily produced lore killed the lore. it was cool, sure, but you completely misunderstand the magic that the smp had when people watched it initially. the story is improv and that's how we like it. we can tell the cc's have lost interest in it, you can admit that to us, we'll understand, just stop lying to me.

c!dream's pov isn't necessary to understand his character or his motivations. if you've watched literally any c!primeboys stream he's basically spelled it out for you.

i don't understand how fans can dislike l'manberg or have claimed to be against it since the beginning. i honestly don't get it. what's so bad about wanting your own spot where you make your own rules and skirt accountability that has been used to technically oppress you before - and, before someone who never saw the earlier streams tries to disagree with this, the og l'manberg crew were imprisoned for shit that everyone else on the server was practically encouraged to do. also, what do you have against fun and happiness?

i think some of you forget that 'hybrids' aren't a thing, discounting c!ranboo. there's no piglin hybrids, c!techno is just a pig. there's no avian hybrids, c!phil is just a man with wings. there's no creeper hybrids, c!sam is just a creeper who's indecently exposed from the hips down. canonically there's no hybrids, and therefore no hybrid discrimination. people ran with that concept too much.

the loss and the fanon rewriting of the early lore up until pogtopia has ruined fandom perception of c!dream and the og l'manberg boys. c!tommy is more morally white than you think he is, and c!dream has always been a villain - he massacres and he kills and he destroys and he schemes and he always has broken his own rules. no wonder the boys wanted their own space after how they were treated.

i think ranboo oftentimes forgets his own lore. he brings stuff up that c!ranboo may have done, such as exploding the community house to frame c!tommy, holding onto Cat, and it goes absolutely nowhere. we've gotten all of these developments in his story but they have never been expanded on, and we're nowhere closer to figuring out his relationship to c!dream and what his other side is and honestly i see no hope that we'll be any closer to knowing even by the end of the year.

your characters don't all have to be morally grey for the story itself to be morally grey. this is fiction - some people can be nothing but evil and others can be nothing but good. being purely good or evil doesn't mean that you're one dimensional, either.

c!dream apologists have ruined c!dream for me. he's not a good person. how about you let me enjoy a villain for who he actually is, rather for than your percieved woobified ragdoll you pass off as c!dream.

the story was better when there was a central writer. it was brilliant back when wilbur wrote it to be that the environment drives the characters and the story, and it was really good in early s2 up until techno's execution day when it was more character driven. since then, the amount of autonomy people have over their characters without any central 'director', as it were, has been a detriment to the story overall. there needs to still be one overarching figure or director or writer.

not everyone is a main character. just because they have a pov, doesn't mean they're a main character. some characters have such little impact on the overall plot and describing everyone as a main character oversaturates the story and makes some characters seem more important than they are.

the egg lore had so much potential up until it didn't. all that built up threat that we were expecting and we still don't even know what the egg wants really other than just controlling people. does it hatch?

genuinely, if there's no major plot developments by the end of the year (and let's be honest, it's a very big possibility at this point), a few of the more prominent members of the server should do a podcast style stream talking about where the story would have gone, because at least then we would have gotten somewhat closer to a conclusion.

c!techno is a villain and an asshole and a bad person. he stops caring for people once their interests don't align with his or if they look at him funny. he makes meta-jokes about his own tyrannical and oppressive nature. stop taking that away from him. he's a bad person. cc!techno does a fabulous job portraying that in a comedic manner and the balancing of him being a deeply flawed person with deeply flawed morals and ideas with his comedically-portrayed stubbornness and lack of willingness to hear out opposing viewpoints is incredible. i want to like characters who are arseholes for the sake of being arseholes, and who refuse to take into account the hurt they've caused either out of self-righteousness or because they don't care, so let me. he's the anti-peacemaker, LET ME HIM ENJOY HIM FOR THAT!!!!

i think tommy and wilbur's way of doing lore is my favourite. relies heavily on improv, voice acting, sprite acting and facial expressions. really shows off the acting props and they pull off the emotional moments well for the insanity of the creative medium.

i'm not a fan of fan-music. i find songs about media i'm into difficult to listen to. coincidentally i'm also not a fan of shit like slam poetry or live music/musicals/pantomimes.

the death of l'manberg killed people's motivation to go on the server casually. i've talked about it more in depth before, but destroying what was a central, driving environment for the story killed momentum and motivation. imagine in an episode of she-ra, the princess alliance just nuke the freight zone and all of the members of the horde just have to deal with it. that would be shit.

until season 3 has some momentum, i'm counting the end of the smp as january 20th. that had a conclusion. season 3 has... whores, technoblade and tommyinnit. that's about it.

i wasn't a fan of the development of c!tubbo joining las nevadas. i preferred snowchester and the walled city conflict. give c!tubbo some backbone and some badassery. also tubbo where's the fucking nuke bro if you're shelving that plotline just tell us on like an alt stream what the plan was i beg

add like 2 or 3 new people to the server so that michael mcchill has someone to talk to and so that there's something always happening on the server. it gives the og's more motivation to return if things are happening in and out of canon and it'll help with momentum, and who knows? maybe they can write their own story/stories.

i really think that c!sam is an underrated character. he's multilayered, extremely interesting, and the dichotomy of his loyalty to his job and how far down the rabbithole that's taken him versus the genuine love he has for his friends that drives him to do what he does out of wanting to do right by them is brilliant. i don't talk about c!sam enough.

STOP HAVING FUCKING VILLAIN ARCS!!! I'M FUCKIN SICK OF IT!!!! i want to see more characters who see everyone else being absolute selfish, abhorrent cunts and go 'if nobody else is going to be a good person, i fucking will'. GIVE ME SOME MORAL WHITENESS!!! IT'S INTERESTING AND MORALLY GOOD CHARACTERS ARE FUN!!!

let tommyinnit build cobblestone towers. everyone bullied him too much for how ugly they were and the one he built outside of the prison looked genuinely really nice. it gives the boy something to do.

i'm a fan of the revive book and the canon lives system. don't ask me why, but i think it might just be the morbidity of it. it adds to c!dream's god complex persona, and i think the fragility of death itself is a really fun concept. not enough fan cc's have made connections with that and c!mumza, and it could make for cool fanfic.

ranboo your house is fucking ugly. it's an eyesore

c!niki, and to some extent now c!jack and c!fundy, are boring me and ruining my mood. i think c!jack is the closest to being an actually interesting sympathetic villain, mainly because nobody else seems to realise that c!niki is a villain. not a good one imo, but she's a villain. c!jack just has the problem of starting a new project over and over and over and over again and because of the slow in momentum for the primary cast, there hasn't been a lot of recent development for him.

not really a dream smp opinion, but if philza went full geordie accent, i would love it. i want him to, in canon, say shit like 'me n ye' instead of 'me and you' and use geordie dialect. i want him to be physically unintelligible because it's funny.

i don't really know what's up with c!foolish but i think he's a dumbass. he had a while to think about c!q's proposal and then changed his mind about joining the guy to admitted to letting him die just because. moron

i wish there was more c!eret lore. i wish he was an actual king with an actual kingdom and actual subjects and royal advisors. c!eret is far too fucking cool to be the king of nothing and nobody. fatten up the kingdom and the castle with people who work with c!eret, and don't just make it tyrannical and dictator-y to prove the point of the server's 'anarchists'. make it a healthy working environment, please - if you want moral greyness, have 'anarchists' who claim to care about the welfare of the server oppose a kingdom of happy people under a fair and just ruler because their ideologies clash.

the server needs more characters who oppose anarchy in more peaceful ways, or passively wish for systems to be a part of. i think a chaos vs order conflict ending only in mutual understanding where everyone understands that they should just leave each other alone would slot nicely into the story that's been created so far.

you need to have watched all of the previous arcs to understand the story. i've seen people argue that they don't need to know about earlier lore to understand the prison, but that's the equivalent of only watching the final season of pretty little liars and expecting to understand the context of what's going on.

some characters aren't that morally grey. some characters, take c!tommy for example, are definitely on the whiter side for the morality scale, he's just an asshole. he's abrasive and rude and a dickhead but he also doesn't agree with terrorism, he's patriotic, he strives for a better world, he's apologetic, but he's also a fucking BITCH.

you can add onto this if you want, but not if you're a c!dream apologist. nobody likes your opinions

[proudfreakmetarusonikku]

CDREAM FOR THE ASK THING PLS

First impression

I actually got into the Dream SMP from reading about exile arc and deciding “oh heck yeah, that sounds like my jam.” (Yeah, I’ve always been like this). So, going in, I was very aware of his obsession with c!Tommy (even the recaps I read made that obvious, despite it not being common knowledge among the fanmade at that point). It made watching the early days a lot funnier, I think. I kept thinking “oh yeah I see it now” and then it kept getting worse and this was when lore had literally just started. He was probably my second favourite character, but I preferred c!Tommy to him back then.

Impression now

He’s my joint favourite, along with c!Tommy! I've spent a lot of time analysing and learning about him, and I’ve definitely grown to be more sympathetic towards him, though I still think he’s an irredeemable piece of shit (that’s why I love him!). The thing is, though, the things which have hurt him are all his fault, the consequences of him cruelty (apart from the torture of course), and I find that very satisfying too. He’s an awful person who doesn’t want to get better, but I get why, at least partially. I can see a lot of my own flaws in him (though obviously a lot worse in him than me!), and in a lot of ways he actually helped me to realise I was doing wrong by having those flaws and starting to work on fixing them.

Favorite moment

“I'm going to make you immortal for me.” If only because I fucking called it. Well, not only, it’s a great c!Primeboys horror moment, but I’d say “Every single time c!Primeboys have interacted, every single one.” otherwise.

Idea for a story

Something I think would be interesting is seeing through his point of view for his actions, his warped “love” and “care” for the server masking his obvious cruelty. I always like works that play with making you feel sympathy for the irredeemable, drawing you into the worldview of horrible people and almost agreeing with them until they do something blatantly morally reprehensible again.

Unpopular opinion

Well, in the past, my “c!Dream doesn't hate c!Tommy!” agenda was nowhere, but I think most of the fandom has realised that now, so I’ll say- c!Dream absolutely does care for the rest of c!Dream Team, and the rest of the server in general. It’s just, like his “care” for c!Tommy, it’s obsessive, possessive, and dehumanising. He views the server as his property, including the people in it, and he views the people as things to toy with, and in his own head that makes them “family.” His obsession with c!Tommy isn’t unique- he’s obsessive in general- it’s just much more intense because he views c!Tommy as both unique and the only person who’s truly a threat- and therefore, the closest person to being his equal.

Favorite relationship

I don’t think I even need to answer this one. You all already know.

Favorite headcanon

c!Dream has extreme trust issues, completely unable to trust anyone he doesn’t view as completely under his control. As such, during exile, he did start to genuinely trust c!Tommy, and was even willing to take his mask off in front of him. It’s also part of the reason he misses exile, outside of being a sadistic bastard who finds suffering to be a fascinating experiment and a fun game (though that’s also true). He's desperately lonely without someone he sees as trustworthy enough to be somewhat vulnerable around.

[stellocchia]

idk if you're still taking prompts but c!Primeboys body swap? It lasts for a day--any period of your choosing within the Dream SMP storyline if you're down for it

[Give me Primeboys Prompts]

I definitely am still taking prompts! It just takes a while for me to get to them because I'm a very slow writer...

Also, I wanna write some early L'Manburg for once, and this is perfect for that!

It had been a normal day so far for Tommy. He'd been going around with Tubbo selling people "magical apples" which were nothing more than normal apples they drew on with sharpies and now he was running from a very angry Sapnap who apparently got sick from licking one of the apples and decided to take it out on Tommy. In Tommy's opinion, that was entirely the man's fault, but Sapnap had only gotten angrier when he mentioned it.

All of a sudden though, there was a blinding flash of green light and Tommy wasn't running along the Prime path anymore. He was in Dream's Super Secret Base that No One Knew Of (except everyone did actually, but still) with a weird floating book in front of him and no idea how he'd gotten there.

There was something on his face that obstructed his view of the room, so he ripped it off in a panic, just to find himself face to face with a familiar smiling mask.

"What the fuck"

He rummaged around in Dream's chests for a while, and finally, he found a random shiny piece of metal he could see his reflection on. Except it wasn't his. He was the one holding it and the one staring at it, but the face looking back at him was one he'd never seen. Bright, almost glowing green eyes watched him from a young-looking face, bright golden freckles sat under them making his whole complexion seem more ethereal.

"What the fuck" Tommy repeated louder this time.

He went to the book that was still just floating there and studied it in search of answers, but he couldn't read any of it. There were some drawings of people with arrows connecting them and his best guess was that it was some kind of ancient body swap magic. He wondered how long the effects of it would last, and genuinely hoped that it wouldn't be forever.

Right as he gave up on the book someone busted through the trapdoor that lead into the base from the outside.

If he thought that his day couldn't get weirder he was wrong. In fact, he was looking at his own very pissed-off face at that moment. There was an arrow sticking out of not-Tommy's shoulder and a very apologetic-looking Sapnap trailing behind him with his eyes low.

As soon as not-Tommy saw him he shrieked like a banshee and threw the first piece of cloth he could find at his face. "Put on my mask right this second!".

Tommy was tempted to refuse just to see how he'd react, but one glare from the other was enough to change his mind.

"Big man, how the fuck did you get us in this situation?" Tommy complained once he was done with securing the mask against his face. Dream huffed. "I thought I found a spell to track people. Turns out that isn't actually what it does".

Tommy blinked. Then he blinked again.

"Why were you trying to track me?! What the hell?!". Dream rolled his eyes as if he thought that Tommy was exaggerating. He was not. He was definitely not. He hadn't forgotten the tunnels Dream built connecting their bases or the afternoons spent with the other man acting as his shadow, but this was on a whole other level. Now magic was involved for some reason.

"It was just insurance, Tommy. In case you and your little nation decided to try something again" "That's not a valid excuse for stalking Big D" Dream spluttered. He seemed offended, Tommy wasn't sure if it was for the accusation or for the use of the nickname.

"So, wait, are you two stuck like this?" Sapnap asked after a moment, apparently tired of being ignored. "Nah, the spell should last a day, a week at most" Dream responded nonchalantly. "You read 'body swap' as 'stalking spell' I don't think I trust your translations here" Tommy grumbled receiving an amused giggle from Sapnap and another death glare from Dream.

They decided to stick close for the day regardless. They went mining together for the rest of the afternoon, then again in the morning.

Once a whole day had passed another blinding flash of light appeared, red this time, and Tommy found himself back in his body.

"Let's never talk about this ever again" "Agreed"