#but I know that the perception of spn as The Queerbait Show

[galateaknife]

Hey, remember when a bunch of assholes who forgot one of the cardinal rules of fandom (i.e. keep your ship nonsense away from the creators of the source material) maliciously misinterpreted an actor from their show when he grouped together the two most popular ships in the fandom in order to gently say that the assholes’ preferred pairing was also not canon?

I’m assuming this is badly referencing that incident, as this was posted without any evidence or clarifying details.

[wif-san]

I don’t have a media literacy problem, you have a reading comprehension problem. While I never saw the marketing for Sherlock and therefore can’t comment on it, I didn’t say that wasn’t a trope, nor never used like that, in fact I acknowledged that it was by saying that it isn’t ALWAYS used like that, as in sometimes it is. I also said that other characters’ perception of the relationship of the characters in question doesn’t dictate the feelings of said characters, even if it IS literally every episode, as such a thing can be used to illustrate simply the depth of the relationship rather than the nature of it.

As for Supernatural, I never claimed that I thought it was queerbaiting wincest, I said it’s the only pairing that qualifies, IF you’re going to try to make the argument that Supernatural queerbaits. Castiel was never denoted as gay in the actual canon, between him/it not even being remotely human (it’s literally a celestial beam of light that simply uses a human meat-suit to communicate and interact with humans) and his/it’s last scene being ambiguous as all fuck, and literally nothing but attraction to women and only women before that. Misha Collins can have whatever interpretation/headcanon he wants to, but it doesn’t supersede canon anymore than anyone else’s interpretation/headcanon.

Aside from maybe Misha queerbaiter Collins, literally no actor (or writer who has been at conventions) has at all talked about d3stiel unless a fan brought it up first, ergo only in responding to questions, never of their own volition. Furthermore, knowing and acknowledging what types of shippers follow your show does NOT inherently mean they’re going to kowtow to any of them, hell, they acknowledged wincest and wincest shippers in the actual show long before d3stiel was, didn’t mean it had a chance in hell of being canon either, no, wincest was never going to be canon, period, but that’s not the point, the point is that acknowledging the presence of certain shippers is not inherently indicative of whether or not said ship will be canon.

As for the episode Fan Fiction, no shippers were mocked by the show, the brothers responded in character to the goings-on in the play, the d3stiel scene was clearly stated to be put in the 2nd act, which was clearly stated to contain nothing but things that weren’t canon to the actual show, and they gave a respectful nod to all shippers in Dean and Marie’s last scene together:

All this to say, while queerbaiting does require intent, in regards to Supernatural specifically? Neither you nor anyone have proven intent on the part of the creator, any showrunner, writer, or actor, aside from Misha queerbaiter Collins, and maybe Robert Berens, particularly since every other show runner and writer that talked about d3stiel in regards to canon, was explicitly upfront about the fact that there was absolutely zero intent for it to ever be canon.

Which doesn’t even expound on how there was no winning for the Spn writers either, given that destiehellers would scream about twu lurve and romance in a scene where Dean and Cass were literally just standing in the same room simply making eye-contact, not a word of a lie.

Fandom Problem #5379:

"Sherlock was queerbaiting. Teen Wolf was queerbaiting. Supernatural was queerbaiting. Now Loki is queerbaiting."

Newsflash: you shippers are the most common denominator.

You know how they say, if you meet an asshole, you met an asshole, but if everyone you meet is an asshole, then you are the asshole? That applies here.

Those shows didn't do anything but have male characters exist as friends. You decided to make it into something more. You queerbaited yourselves, and now you're trying to project it onto the creators.

It's always the same group of people shipping two male characters together, and then acting like victims when it doesn't become canon and hurling insults at creators and other fans. Y'all just migrate from fandom to fandom using the same rhetoric, parroting the same accusations, throwing around the same insults.

Have some fucking self reflection.

[letsboldlygomotherfuckers]

I don’t actually follow anything about spn so I’m kinda scared to ask but… what the fuck is happening? What did the twitter man do?

fsdjkhgh yall know i love being the one to break supernatural news to people so here goes

so chad lindberg played a random side character (ash) who runs a bar in like 5 episodes of the show ten years ago and was promptly killed off, he started rollplaying running the bar in heaven (the bar was in heaven in the finale, ash wasn’t there but no characters were there idk covid restrictions or something), samantha ferris (played ellen, ran the bar with him) joined in on this weird rollplay. they announced a wedding was going to happen on valentines day and were super cryptic about it but given that the only pairing that even makes vague sense given how the show ended is dean/cas everyone assumed it was that, and they hinted we were right. obviously everyone took this and ran with it and the destiel wedding just sort of,, happened

chad started trending on twitter and egged it all on, gained a shit ton of spn followers. then started promoing his weird ebay jewellery business. obviously we all assume it’s gonna be a bit of a queerbait and he’s just not gonna address anything and it was all for twitter clout

so valentines day rolls around, they do their weird little rollplay thing except they rollplay a party rather than a wedding, we all assume theyre just going to ignore the destiel wedding thing. Samantha then tweets something about dean only showing up for a minute and everyone missed him, ie she made the ‘canon’ of this roleplay explicitly exclude the destiel wedding

obviously fans got a bit upset bc like,, this was yet another queerbait so like u can see why, they then go full gaslight, chad starts blocking people for disagreeing with him, claims he did nothing to hurt anyone and it’s just our perception etc etc, samantha claims they couldn’t join us in shipping destiel bc they have to ‘uphold the integrity and spirit of the show’ and that the show has ‘never included sexuality (WHAT does this mean) or romance’ which firstly, ma’am please shut the fuck up, but also there have been a LOT of romantic storylines over the years just say you’re homophobic and go, and also like,, the dean cas relationship was set up in canon. you cannot uphold the values of the show against something that literally canonically exists there. cas told dean he was in love with him in canon. they are both in heaven in canon. what part of them then getting married in heaven in the bar dean is shown to be outside of when he gets there is going against the integrity of the goddamn dumpster fire  of a show

anyway like this is all hilarious and all but also its just kind of tiring to AGAIN be treated like we’re all mad for seeing something that again, was explicitly written into the show, and that gay people cant just exist, like it literally apparently goes against the integrity of the show for gay people to exist and be happy bc the show has never been about that, u know?

this was probably far more in depth than u wanted anon but honestly if u come to me thats what u should expect bc i Will Not Shut Up Ever

[fulcrummm]

Alright I’m gonna say it because I’m not sure if queer baiting is still a term people use on here but the entire concept of queer baiting is perpetuated by the same homophobic stereotypes that have been skewing people’s perception of the lgbt+ community for decades. It’s just not considered homophobic because it’s used by people who ship gay couples. People of the same sex are allowed to be physically affectionate, love each other, and wear flannels and still just be friends. The expectation shouldn’t be that the sexualities fit in to their stereotypes. Gay men can be “macho” and tough and straight guys can say they love each other and make prolonged eye contact. Straight girls can have short hair and wear flannels and gay girls don’t have to be muscular and tough and that shouldn’t be a problem. Y’all ruined so many good ships with this made up slight from show writers. Nobody is sitting with the crew and saying (for example) “you know what? Let’s have Dean and Cas hold hands for two seconds to piss off all of the gays that we definitely hate”. I can’t believe that another generation is gonna have to go through what I did and STILL DO because of this bs and I’m so sick of seeing people perpetuating these stupid stereotypes. You can want representation, that’s perfectly fine. You know what isn’t fine? Labeling people’s sexualities like we’re in the god damn 1950s. Y’all are better than that, so do better. Edit- I’m saying this once: I respect your right to disagree with me and I’m not gonna come for you if you have issues with what I’m saying here. I get too heated when debating about stuff like this but I still wanted to say my piece here. We can respectfully disagree with each other, but if you’re gonna be rude in the comments/reblogs then for my own sake I’m not going to engage. We all hate homophobia and we’re all on the same side, but if you’re gonna show up and write me a paragraph about how Dean and Cas (they keep coming up but this post isn’t specifically about them) are in love and that the cast of spn hate the gays and I’m an idiot for turning a bling eye to this injustice then please, for the sake of both of our sanities, keep it to your damn self. I genuinely think they should end up together, but I don’t think they’re being queerbaited and I won’t harass the actors over it. I think that all media should have more rep and I’ll keep encouraging it until the day I die but I’m not gonna make up bs and use a gay slur about perceived injustice over it, because that’s not how we make progress. Man I didn’t even mention how the whole concept has encouraged harassment and virtue signaling (even though that’s not even CLOSE to the majority of people who believe in queer baiting, as I think the vast majority have good intentions) but...I digress. When arguments are typed out there can be a lot of confusion and miscommunication, so ask for clarification before you get pissed off at someone else if you chose to debate with one another on this topic. Be respectful of one another in the comments, don’t be a jackass, and stay hydrated.

[houseofglass]

When Jensen released the video announcing the conclusion of the series, I had a very weird feeling. I respect their decision but I think it was more Jensen idea than Jared and this annoys me a lot, but it seems that if you say something like that you are not a real fan. What do you think about it? You have no idea of ​​the insults I took because I dared to say that Jared and Jensen think differently...

I agree with you Nonny. I think it was Jensen’s idea too.

Bottom line: Jensen wants to move on, therefore, the show must end.

Longer version:

Jared has wanted to leave the show for a long time. Or, maybe not leave, but definitely not be in front of a camera for a while. He’s said that he’d like some time off after spn ends, but any actor that takes time off rarely gets back in the spotlight. But he wouldn’t leave as long as Jensen wanted to keep doing the show. Jared didn’t want to put the crew out of work (Oprah had similar concerns with her show, and I think she gave two or three years notice before ending), but he was also burning out. The show gracefully allowed more characters to reappear, which gave Jared a lighter workload. This worked for years.

Jensen wants to stay in the industry, but that means they can’t just end spn, they have to plan it out to the last day. In that planning is prep work for Jensen to show the industry who he is, what he’s capable of, and that he’s on the market again. That involves PR work to help guide public perceptions. This can be seen by Jensen’s public image lately: Architectural Digest shoot, King Bacchus, FBBC heavily promoted, and the texting ad, just to name the ones off the top of my head. This is radically different from Jared’s public persona: meeting fans, partying, drinking, and marathon running.

The video showed me that Jensen is ready for the next step, but Jared needs more time to mourn. But houseofglass, you said Jared wanted to leave! Yes, but he holds his emotions much closer to the surface than Jensen does. I think Jared, even though he’s tired, would have kept going on with the show just to keep his lifestyle afloat. I also think that even though they planned this out, seriously planned it, that it wasn’t real for Jared until they told the crew. As long as the workplace was in the dark, Jared could keep his fantasy of leaving alive. But once it became reality, several things probably fell into place for him.

What are those things? This depends on your perceptions Nonny. I don’t know if you’re a tinhat, a shipper, or a casual fan, so I’ll give a couple of explanations.

Casual Fan:Both have said they’ll keep going until the writing doesn’t work. Well, objectively, that would’ve been a few seasons ago. I mean, God’s sister? Crowley had a mother? WTF? The writers have been adding extra characters, presumably to give J2 time off, but the show has suffered as a result. Anyway. Let’s move on.

Jared’s adult life has been consumed by this show. He was 22 when he filmed the pilot, and is now 37. He has no idea of what adult life is without the show. Everything hinges on it. Travel, family time, filming, vacations, work related PR, conventions, meeting fans, all of it. Sure, he acted before the show and had a life before it as well. But his formative adult years were spent at one job. Imagine being married during the same age range for the same duration. Ending that marriage, whether toxic or not, is difficult.

Without the show, Jared has to figure out who he is and what he wants to do to fill his days. That’s really scary for someone who has mental illness or spends a lot of time inside their own head. As soon as the crew was notified, Jared had to face up to the fact that he agreed to this, that his life will now change, that his cornerstone is going to be gone, that it’s now REAL. So while he might have been ready to move on intellectually, he wasn’t quite ready to deal with the reality of it.

Jensen wants to keep working and try new things. Supernatural is holding him back. Don’t @ me, it is holding him back. He’s typecast. Pigeonholed. He’s Dean Winchester; tough guy with a soft heart. Trying to get another role will be difficult. If he stays in the industry and works behind the scenes he has a better chance, but first he needs to put spn behind him.

He knows Jared wants a break. He knows the crew will be unemployed. He knows spn contributes a lot to Vancouver/BC’s economy. He also knows he has to do difficult things to get what he wants. He has to end the show, and do it gracefully. I have no doubt he’s shaken up by his decision, but is comfortable with it.

Jared, however, seemed less comfortable with it even though he’s made it clear he wants a break. Wanting something and getting it are two different emotional states.

Shipper:Shipping isn’t a problem for J2. Kim Manners used to show them the Wincest fics and even print them out and post them on a bulletin board. J2 found it funny and a good release of creative energy. Neither appeared to have any issue with shipping.

Until they did.

Jensen could brush off all Destiel shipping questions pretty easily at first. It was an expression of creativity and his attitude was ‘to each their own’. But some Destiel shippers became militant and started asking invasive questions at cons. They also started hounding him on SM about Destiel. He’s handled it very well over the years, despite the hatred he received in return. But when he said, “Destiel doesn’t exist” at a con, I think that was the turning point for him.

Dean Winchester was a character Jensen really liked. Kinda tough, liked cars, masculine, good-natured, free lifestyle, that kind of thing. But somehow Dean got boiled down to half of Destiel. And I don’t mean with just the fans. I have eyes, I’ve seen the show, they queerbaited Cas and Dean when Cas was new. Although I think a lot of that queerbaiting was in the editing room. They could slow film down or change the colour saturation if they chose to, and this could change the audience’s perceptions of what’s going on.

Sidebar: I watched a show named unREAL which was about the producers of a show like The Bachelor, and in unREAL they demonstrated how to make two people look like they had chemistry. I had to pause the show, rewind, and watch again. I didn’t know that slowing film down could make glances seem significant. I know now.

So, here’s Jensen, playing a character he likes, only to have it 'twisted’ into something he doesn’t believe it is. For a while this was fine. Let the fans think what they want, it brings in ratings, it doesn’t change how he acted. Then it wasn’t fine, he got more and more irritated with the whole thing. If he kept going on with the show, he might have had to play a character in a way that was more like pandering and less like being authentic to the character.

On that note, Jensen has been distancing himself from Misha over the years. Why? Because Misha fuels Destiel whenever possible. Well, not lately. He’s switched to Sastiel. Anyway, despite being able to draw a crowd at a con with a Destiel panel, Jensen only does one a year: Jus In Bello. Please gently correct me if I’m wrong here, but I’m sure there’s only one Destiel panel and it’s in Rome. Jensen participated in the charity campaign with Misha, but not much since then. I suspect he did it because TPTB insisted he do something, and he agreed to the YANA campaign. Remember, celebrities are beholden to PR.

So now Jensen is doing a show with a person that isn’t respecting a boundary (stop pushing Destiel), and the perceptions of his character have changed in a way he doesn’t like. Time to end the show. Being a true professional, he ensured the fans and crew had enough notice to adjust to the idea.

Jared didn’t seem bothered by any shipping at all. If this is the primary reason for the show’s end, it was Jensen’s idea more than Jared’s IMO.

Tinhat:I believe Jared wanted to end the show after PR tried to separate him and Jensen by insisting they get married to women. Jared’s first breakdown was right about that time, and I always wondered if it was because he was living in a happy bubble with his lover and his show, and now he had to pander to the (perceived) hetero audience. Leading men just could not be gay back in the day. There’s more outed gay actors now, but fifteen years ago things were different. He held on, did as he was told, and his world continued.

Jared’s marriage seems to be falling apart, and I, personally, suspect it’s already over and done. Papers signed, custody arrangements made, properties split. If the show was still going on, he’d have to field questions about his divorce. But, if the show is announced it’s ending and then he announces his divorce, the divorce will take a back seat to the show’s finale. Timing is everything.

Jensen has seemed happy as a pig in shit for the entire run of the show. Sure, he’s had bad days, but mostly he’s enjoyed his time on spn and the lifestyle it’s awarded him. He didn’t seem as upset about getting married as Jared did (seriously, go find the pics of Jared’s wedding. He looked like he was kissing something repugnant), but Jensen had a different upbringing that conditioned him for a celebrity lifestyle. He probably knew beards were mandatory and it was just a matter of when, not if.

In order for them to still spend a ridiculous amount of time together, they had to keep the show going. It wasn’t a problem, the network was fine with it. But the pressure was hard for Jared and has been for a long time. If not for Jensen, Jared would have left years ago.

But then they announced the show was ending and their reactions were a bit off. Jensen appeared somewhat together, a bit excited, a bit sad, but ready. Jared looked like he’d been crying for hours and still had days worth of tears to shed.

The tinhat in me says this is because their entire world is about to change, and it may not be for the better. Nobody can predict the future. How much of J2’s success as a couple is reliant on them being together for most of the time? How will they navigate their relationship if only one is working? Will they come out? Probably not, if Jensen wants to stay in the industry. Jared won’t have his lover acting with him, he won’t have his lover for most of the hours in a day/week/month/year. He’s going to be alone, and that’s scary.

For the tinats: I’m not saying their relationship won’t survive. I don’t have a crystal ball. But it might be rocky at first while they figure out their new dynamics.

TL;DR: yes, Jensen seemed happier than Jared in the video. Jared seemed much more upset, and even tried to look at Jensen, who looked toward Misha instead of meeting his eyes.

Oh, and I didn’t really address Misha in this because it’s always been said that as long as J2 want the show to continue, it will. Him being in the video is more of a PR thing to me: Misha also needs to build his portfolio and I suspect his agent has negotiated more uh, 'lead exposure’? for him. I don’t know what the correct phrasing is, but he’s been lumped with J2 more and more lately.

Oh, and if you read this far, thanks for letting me babble :)

[ladyluscinia]

You know what... I do appreciate the genuine "my bad", the sun is shining, I have an unexpectedly light evening, and Supernatural is trending due to actors getting gay married. I think I will say some nice things about Destiel today.

Introduction: Supernatural is the longest running American Sci fi / Fantasy show (and pretty much only beat in length overall by Doctor Who - which is kind of a unique case) with 327 episodes over 15 seasons. It ran from September 2005 - November 2020. Destiel, the main ship of the spn fandom, appeared in the S4 premiere on September 18, 2008 with the introduction of Castiel, the angel who quite literally pulled Dean out of hell and resurrected him. (Fun fact: the first Destiel fanfic was posted that day.) Castiel had enough compelling character work and wild chemistry with Dean in their first season to inspire the writers to change their planned arc of killing him off after 3 episodes to keeping him around and (infamously) adapting the conceived allied-angel plot of a different new character, Anna, that was going to be a potential love interest for Dean into Castiel's story instead. So at the end of S4 he turned on all of Heaven after Dean Winchester looked him in the eye and asked him to, and the next 11+ years were history.

Now I can quite literally babble on about in-universe Destiel forever, but the stuff I've actually been observing / joking about / commenting on while all this ship bracket posting has been going is the more meta-level negative perception of the ship, show, and fandom, so I think I'm actually going to just overview that.

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So like... broad strokes, Destiel is almost more meme than ship at this point. And it's not a generally positive meme. Part of that is our fault as a fandom - we do love our joking about queerbait and homophobia and being annoying and how much we lose, and the show finale was genuinely terrible - but also there is whole running joke of people who actually finally do watch spn and then go "oh my god there is actually Destiel in this show" because people assume they know about spn from the general fandom consciousness and straight up do not believe us when we say it shouldn't be dismissed as homophobic queerbait. Because it's not.

If anything, Destiel is a unique and fascinating case study of the blurry line and interactions between homophobia, queercoding, queerbaiting, and telling a canonically romantic story - one that could only have been produced in its timeframe.

Since we're coming from the Sulemio poll, there have been a lot of mentions of the legality of gay marriage. This is particularly ironic, because gay marriage is legal in the USA, yes, but that court decision came down in 2015. When spn premiered it was legal in exactly one state and explicitly banned in nearly half the country. By the end of 2008 (start of Destiel era) that becomes two legal states and explicitly banned in over two thirds. Supernatural as a show and Destiel as a ship literally straddle pretty much the entire process of gay marriage legalization across the country, which ended in the summer of 2015 between S10 and S11 when the Supreme Court legalized it nationwide, including in the 14 holdout states that hadn't done so yet. And this shows. It's intrinsic to understanding Destiel.

Because you also have to understand that a lot of people worked on spn over a lot of years, and our fandom loves to know those people by name. In the writers room alone you have 4 separate showrunners and about 15 additional writers of significance (so more than one-off episode writers) who all contributed their own efforts and perspectives. Plus directors, actors, the network / producers, other crew... Supernatural as a show has no coherent stance on Destiel at any point in its run because the people making it have so many different stances - which is how we get the final 3 episodes dropping a canonical romantic love confession and then trying to ignore they did so, burying their confirmed gay angel (the famous superhell meme) and then un-burying him in the finale with an offscreen mention while they studiously avoid drawing attention to post-canon Destiel possibilities, and very likely accidentally giving a translation team a script / transcript from before they cut the verbal reciprocation to said love confession that they insist did not exist despite the translation team seemingly receiving it (y yo a ti / canon in spanish memes).

Early years Destiel was a lot of homophobic jokes + queerbait and the show was mostly homophobic about it, but at the same time we have Ben Edlund, beloved writer from S2-S8, talking on twitter recently about how he was definitely aware of and intentionally exploring queercoded possibilities with Destiel well before that could be anything but queercoding on a network tv show. And he wasn't alone! Meanwhile in the late Destiel era we have Bobo Berens, a gay writer who joined the show in S9 (still pre-national gay marriage!) and would steadily gain importance until he wrote Cas's love confession and worked insanely hard with showrunner Dabb and actor Misha Collins to get it in the show. Yet some of the homophobic people from the early years are still around through all of that!

Like - gay marriage is legalized in 2015. S11 airs (with a lot of Destiel subtext which is standard by this point) and behind the scenes showrunner Jeremy Carver is passing the reigns to final showrunner Andrew Dabb. S12 is Dabb's first season as showrunner and he immediately has Destiel market researched. The network presumably says no, so S13 they open with a five episode bit we call the widower arc where Cas is temporarily dead and Dean is literally a widower about it, ending with a Cas resurrection and Destiel reunion with set decor referencing the Romeo + Juliet movie from 1996 and camerawork showing Cas's return putting the light back on Dean's face after he just tried to kill himself for real because nothing mattered anymore.

You can't make this shit up.

At several points we will never be able to fully pin down (see: varying stances across cast and crew), Destiel became a thing that a significant number of the creators were pushing for in some shape or form. That's not queerbaiting anymore. That's queercoding in a canon romance when you aren't allowed to break the "plausible deniability" rules - no kissing, no "I love you" that doesn't get immediately maybe-platonic-zoned, no gay stuff that couldn't maybe be the warrior's bond or a joke (and ideally leaves the audience to fill in the punchline). You can actually do a lot inside those rules. See: the entire history of queer media.

And they did it. For years. Until the needle on "how taboo the idea of your male lead being gay is" had moved just enough to pull the trigger and film it becoming canon right before a worldwide pandemic paused production and gave homophobic executives a huge block of time, required rewrites, and the perfect cover story for basically anything they chose to do. (The spn finale lore is way too complicated to get into here - just know it's undeniable shenanigans happened.)

So we have a heavily queercoded ship that's not really "open to interpretation" despite the party line - as in written in arcs where one guy is filling the role of love interest in everything but name and the two characters function like a common law married couple in between getting paralleled to about every romantic relationship they meet - that manages to become canon despite being native to a pre-gay rights era show that has a huge historical impact on fandom culture. And then we have a broad fandom perception of it among people who have not watched the show as being a cringe queerbait that the creators hated and never took seriously which should only be known for how homophobic it was to it's fandom while we leave it in the past (where it belongs) and embrace real canon ships that were made with effort by people who wrote them with intent to tell a gay love story.

...now maybe you see where I was coming from with this meme:

Oh, and in this timeframe spn fans have also put over 116k Destiel fanfics on AO3 - that's around 45k more than 2nd place Sherlock/John Watson last I checked - and yet the prevailing meme opinion is that it's just another white guy ship between two people who barely come across as friends and most people only still like it for the meme anyway. It's not like Destiel is actually has value or is worth shipping in 2024 with so many better options out there.

It's cool to hate now, and people loudly and enthusiastically hate it in order to be cool. Which is why we laugh amongst ourselves through losing polls and also laugh at the random wildly uneducated Destiel opinions that get treated as absolute fact because some meme voter said them and doesn't everyone know Destiel was queerbait?

Anyway if I really wanted to throw some stones in these glass houses I'd ask where the beautiful canon yuri ship advancing us beyond the era of barbarous queerbait - the one that got officially married in their blessed canon - is keeping their official kissing gifs.

They have those, right? One of the perks of being real canon and married (since Destiel canon doesn't count).

...oh.

Oh?!?

You mean they didn't show an official canon kiss on screen despite making it super blatant that there was a non-platonic relationship going on here??? And then the anime studio after making it super gay by doing a political marriage plot from ep 1 tried to walk it back to being "open to interpretation" by downplaying the relationship in the final episodes and editing out parts of interviews that said they were married post-canon?????? As in your fandom had a brief QUEERBAITING SCANDAL due to NETWORK CENSORSHIP?????????

[jeongukkiee]

MY BLOG IS GOING TO BE CHANGING A BIT MY LOVES

tw ⚠️slight mentions of bad mental health

So I feel like I’ve messed up. As a blog with a lot of followers, I feel like I should stick to what I originally posted about: destiel. But I can’t. And I’m so sorry. I’ve shipped destiel for about 4 years hardcore. My room is covered in supernatural things and I have most of the merch and I love it so much. Unfortunately, I loved it too much. And it became unhealthy.

For a long time, I’ve been badly depressed, and I’ve attended many many therapy sessions. And taken medication and been so down I’ve done awful things. And throughout that I had supernatural, or more precisely destiel, to keep me going. (And twenty one pilots, but my love for them will never stop haha, and my connection to their songs is pretty much too personal even to write here.)

So, I had supernatural and I told myself that I would stay alive until destiel became canon. I obsessed over it becoming canon and looked at all the theories and hoarded fics on my phone and every single time my mum insulted destiel (she’s been watching the show since it started) I would want to end my life. I am not kidding. That’s how much i invested in two fictional characters in a ship that is not only abusive and unhealthy and toxic, but had consent issues (I know these aren’t huge and I’ve debunked most myself but still…they’re there).

Destiel is still important to me, because anyone with two eyes can see there is a deep emotional connection and a great love between Dean and Cas.

But I can’t let it dictate my happiness and I can’t let myself run my blog out of duty when I could change to blogging about twenty one pilots and skam and be happy and content! Supernatural queerbaits and that is not okay. What I’m saying is that I’ll be posting less destiel, still a lot though, but MORE skam and tøp. Because that’s what I want and it’s my blog. :)

Skam makes me exceptionally happy. Not only am I thoroughly invested in LGBTQIA rights, but mental health and religion are also topics that are relevant and interesting to me. I love the fact that the actors are mostly treated with respect and I love the vibe in the fandom where everyone seems happy and supportive! Supernatural has horrible sides to the fandom that make me want to scream (e.g. Those that want Misha dead…WTF how is that even possible!!? And wincest shippers and the list goes on.) I love the way that skam is interactive. I love the fact it uses people who actually look teenage, with acne and stuff. I love the message S3 carries and I love how relatable it is to me.

This is not a goodbye to the spn fandom. I can never do that. This is a goodbye to the side of me that was obsessive. I need something to help me in my (slow) recovery and for me Spn holds too many painful memories.

I know that SKAM isn’t perfect. It has messy relationships, and sometimes there is overlap, but that is real life. There is true character development not just by Isak in his perception of being gay, but Sana’s views too. I love the acceptance of the group about Isak’s sexuality and I love the ideas of feminism in s2. I love how we get to watch a relationship blossom despite mental illness. I love how Isak becomes accepting of Even and I love that Magnus is just so knowledgeable on mental health. :) The show addressed mental health in a fantastic and subtle way. The ‘du er ikke alene ’ moment struck a chord with me and I feel like it addressed the fans as well as Even.

The show showed that mental health can damage relationships, but if you truly care about someone, you will learn how to be there for them, and let them be there for you, and the relationship can work out.

Overall, my blog is gonna go through some changes. You will see: - More skam -Less destiel but a lot of supernatural…I STILL SHIP DESTIEL BTW. Just not hardcore. -more twenty one pilots because they continue to keep me alive every day. -MENTAL HEALTH STUFF 🌟

Thank you if you follow me. You make me happy ❤️ I understand if you want to unfollow, but I’d love it if you would stay.

I’ve made some lovely friends this past year and I want to say that I haven’t forgotten you. We can still talk about Dean and cas and cry our eyes out!! Just not unhealthily on my part haha. Xx

To those who have read this: 1. Firstly well done I wrote an essay pwahaha 2. I hope you continue to like what I post 3. My name is Chloe and I am 17 and one day I will recover and my mental health will be good. I will recover. And so will you.

Happy shipping my loves! ❤️

P.s I will be changing my URL at some point xox