#bronlies and wincesties saying it was always supposed to end that way

[swiftnatural]

They really reduced Dean to “oh hey pie...oh look impala...sammy” and after years of character development that SHOULD piss you off. That should piss off everyone in the fandom who actually CARES about Dean. Years of character development and he was reduced to s1 Dean and that should piss. you. off.

I don’t care if you’re a heller or a bronly or WHATEVER, how is it an ideal ending to just erase character development? I’m getting the impression that the people who liked the ending are the people who despised Misha/Cas so much that they ignored everything meaningful that they were seeing. Make it make sense.

[diaryofageekgirl]

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1. Hi! I’m Kat! Destiel is my favourite ship in Supernatural, and I’ve been shipping it since I joined the fandom back in 2013! I also ship Wincest!

Wild how it’s not an either/or, have-to-pick-a-side sort of situation! Wild how people can like multiple ships and concepts within fandom, and the entire “you’re either with us or against us” mentality that has always kind of been here in the SPN fandom but has only gotten worse since the finale is absolute horseshit anyways!

2. “You should know that we hellers (gag) love Sam because he’s the number one Destiel shipper - ex-fucking-SCUSE me?!? Destiel may be my favourite ship in the show, but Sam is my number one favourite character, and there is nothing that pisses me off more than people acting like he’s just a shipper for Destiel, or that he’s not as important as Dean and Cas, or that he’s just the “obnoxious enthusiastic straight ally!” Fuck all the way off with that. If the only reason that you love Sam is so that he can be a fucking cheerleader for your ship, then you don’t love Sam.

3. About “wincesties” (gag) hating Cas vs. “hellers” (gag) not hating Sam - Wincest shippers do not equal bronlies do not equal bibros. Bibros is a term from the very early days of this fandom, when “Sam-girl” and “Dean-girl” meant that you had chosen a side in the ship fandom war (funny, how the more the more things change, the more they stay the same…). Being a bibro was the alternative to that - bi, as in 2, as in 2 brothers, as in liking them both equally and not choosing a side.

Bro-only fans, or bronlies, was coined by a user here on tumblr whose name I honestly can’t remember (which is probably for the best)… I wanna say around season 7-season 8 ish? Right around the time when the fandom was at its biggest here. Bronlies are… exactly what it sounds like: they only care about the brothers. Bibros has become conflated with bronlies because a lot of newer fans or people who only know the tumblr fandom and not all the other corners of the web that the supernatural fandom has been in don’t know the difference.

And there’s plenty of Wincest shippers who like other characters, as well as other ships, and who aren’t shitty people, like you’re claiming that they are. Hi, I’m Kat! I think I mentioned that already! I’m one of those people! Not to mention there are a ton of bronlies who don’t really ship anything.

4. “you should unfollow them and search therapy to heal and fix that toxic mentality because it’s going to screw up all of your relationships.” I am genuinely so fucking sick of antis treating therapy like a gotcha. Therapy is good! It helps a lot of people! But this is about the most demeaning, belittling, mocking way of phrasing that. Not to mention one fucking line earlier you said “if you are not part of their group and don’t want to be associated with them - because who in their right mind would be.” Nice fucking casual ableism.

5. Back to the actual point of the original post - I have a major problem with the mentality of “the actor ““““confirmed”“““ on twitter that their character is queer.” For one thing, they don’t really have the authority to do that. They aren’t running the show, they aren’t writing the story, they’re just playing a part. Their interpretation of their character can be wildly different from what actually ended up on screen.

On top of that, I thought we all fucking agreed way back when that Joke Rowling making Dumbledore gay after the fact wasn’t good enough. How is this any different? How is a set photo, from behind the scenes, that was release after the episode aired, of Jack’s registration form, that shows he wrote in his gender as non-binary, remotely canon, considering that there’s never any actual discussion or conversation or what the fuck ever in the show about his gender identity?

Or how is Lisa Berry using all pronouns for Billie on a couple of twitter posts supposed to count as Billie being agender or whatever specific identity you want to headcanon, when she is only ever referred to with female pronouns on the show and there is no consideration in canon whatsoever in regards to her gender identity?

How the actual fuck is Mark Sheppard saying he headcanons Crowley as pansexual, and specifically said “I don’t think he cares [about gender]. He just likes making people uncomfortable.” considered canon? As a pansexual individual myself, that sure as hell makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, sure, the pan character is sexually aggressive and regularly makes sexually explicit comments and constantly comes on to people for the sole purpose of making them uncomfortable. Thanks, I feel so represented! 🙄 /s

But the oodles of queer Sam meta and analysis that this fandom has done doesn’t count as canon - not to mention Jared supporting it for years, which by your own metric should qualify? I know that you’ve made another post apologizing for this one, and I appreciate it, but it’s trying to put a band-aid over a bullet hole. The combination of the totally dismissive tone of this post, plus the fact that you apparently didn’t bother to look up whether people have seen Sam as queer, just makes that apology feel hollow.

is there a reason why sam isn’t included in the header for this?

we chose characters that were canonically lgbt! either in the show or in deleted scenes or as stated by the actors (,: