#bro and dirk are the same ouroboros

[poltergrease]

what a villain complex and a dash of self loathing can do 💀

[badshipshitblog]

@dinnerdog:

does cal fetishize incest? his rejection of callie is exactly what makes their sburb session “infertile”, robbing it of any genetic diversity (sburb players are parents to a new universe, and cal’s dead session is masturbatory.) incest attraction is core to his species’ reproduction too, and he rejects his feelings for her. the messaging seems like a balanced non-destructive fanbase = brosis affection. perchance.

really really good point, thank you! i now have further thoughts (note that i read consumption & murder as sexual)

caliborn kills calliope but he doesn't absorb/predominate/incorperate her. he then spends the rest of his life chasing her ghost. LE sustains himself by continuously reproducing the societal conditions that lead to his existence

caliborn enters the game having killed calliope--a violent act of incest/self destruction. not the incest or rejection but the violence that causes infertility?

trolls reproduce incestuously, with everyone fucking their mom. simultaneously they have a female ruler. mother/son incest as the societal model. (also: empire is sustained via fucking the motherland)

the dancestors' session was unwinnable, but the beta trolls' session wasn't. the beta trolls enter the game by starting as 2 opposing teams that then resolve into the same thing (ouroboros)

the beta trolls are unable to win (leave the narrative) due to bec noir, an agent of Narrative/LE from the session they created. the beta trolls lived in a society shaped by LE. this is likened to the tumor inherent to the beta session

the beta kids' session is fertile but has a tumor (LE's influence). in-universe, LE asserts direct control via bro@dave, scratch@rose, and less directly via condy@nana and gpa)

the alpha kids' session is infertile as a continuation of their themes involving miscommunication/unfruitfulness/etc. similar disconnect between dirk & roxy w their respective ancestors?

alpha session can only be won via combining with beta session--breaking game structures to do so. involves dirk/dave & rose/roxy reconcilliations--dissolutions of previous power gaps & misunderstandings

john's retcon powers operate outside the established narrative structure. the point of the retcon is to revive vriska and reunite her with terezi (scourge sisters). LE is destroyed by reuniting with calliope

escaping the narrative/society involves breaking existing structures that cause power imbalance & being able to reconcile with your sibling/reabsorb self

so LE embodies parent/child incest as a societal force alongside misogyny, empire, racism, etc--abusive unequal power structures. but sibling incest/selfcest is placed in opposition to that. twincest is the only ethical relationship (no age gap)

caliborn fetishizes incest

caliborn is representative of certain types of homestuck readers, namely hateful misogynists who want homestuck to cater to them personally. more broadly, we can say he's representative of certain cultural trends

lord english is less of a person and more of a force that propels the narrative via those cultural trends. becoming a cog in the narrative machine is inherently dehumanizing (dehuman = puppet)

calliope is representative of other homestuck readers who are nicer (lol). both caliborn & calliope engage in transformative & curatorial fandom

calliope & caliborn are the same entity. they are also attracted to each other. homestuck blurs the line between siblings and different versions of the self. fandom cannot actually be easily separated into "types"

we can use "masturbatory" and "incestuous" as synonyms

fanfiction as incestuous in that it's regurgitating existent stories. rearranging the same gene pool

becoming the ultimate self involves a collapse of identity/consumption of alt versions = incestuous

the narrative that the kids exist within wants self-perpetuation. sburb reproduces itself (asexual/incestuous reproduction). LE as a parasite intrinsic to sburb (gendered violence intrinsic to our society, which is based on constant reproduction of the family within itself and within society)

incest as a narrative force. closer to incest = closer to narrative control

narrative = society = family writ large

[madam-melon-meow]

Gender in Homestuck is a Ouroboros. Which is to say it’s all Caliborn’s fault.

1. Cherubs are canonically, not working with the same sexual dimorphism humans are, seeing as opposite “sexes” of cherubs are based on a good/evil alignment and share the same Body as their binary opposite in childhood, and in adulthood both types are capable of “dominating” vs being “forced” to carry the egg.

2. Calliope and Caliborn both spend their whole lives watching humanity, and specifically the alpha kids. they both take on the trappings of self-identifying with a human gender (and use human terminology to describe their relationship) based upon their observations. Caliborn is especially impressed by Dirk’s masculinity.

3. Caliborn as Doc Scratch and Lord English create post-scratch Alternia and mold the society to their liking. Trolls, despite all being the same Sex, namely, hermaphaditic (two trolls in any configuration produce viable material for Mother Grub, who appears to be their Other Sex), inherent male and female genders based upon Caliborn’s influence. of course, you have to look at troll gender, and the troll cast system together, as acceptable expressions of each gender change, depending on your place on the Hemospectrum. The Thresh Prince, an olive blood, is a cool badass heroic masculine ideal for Karkat. Aradia is supposed to submit to her betters. Sollux is supposed to submit to being de-personed entirely, which results in a null-gender for a null-person as his physical form is reduced to the motherboard/battery via which a warship’s system AI and engine run… okay this could be its own post , moving on.

4. The trolls create Beta Earth in sgrub, and echos of them exist in humans (karkat gave us all equal red blood, their signs are written in our stars), and this may include human gender.

5. Even if it doesnt, Bro Strider’s masculinity is specifically influenced (as all of his identity is) by his best bro, Lil Cal, which is of course part of Caliborn’s journey to Lord English

6. Dave Strider grows up trying to impress his Bro by being a man / being a hero

7. Earth gets scratched, and despite not remembering his Bro, Alpha Dave Strider grows up with very cool / manly / heroic expressions of gender.

8. Dirk Strider learns all he can about his long dead ancestor, and models himself off him, being a cool badass heroic man

9. Caliborn takes an interest in Dirk Strider….

every week i think abt making a post abt queerness in the context of the quadrant system and then i think abt how first i would have to address the fact that binary gender apparently exists in a culture in which that is completely irrelevant on a reproductive level and yet somehow like. troll society has gender roles that are functionally analogous to our human gender roles despite the fact that the society has no (or exclusively aesthetic) sexual dimorphism and also has been ruled by a female dictator for 5,000 years and then i get soooo tired