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drlessy · 4 years ago
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i am coping.
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katutsukushii · 4 years ago
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The funniest reaction to the newest leaks is the fact that because of one sentence that Touya said (’You’re a girl, girls don’t get it’ in regards to his training), people are saying ‘this toddler is a misogynist and a sexist, your honour’ with full seriousness and I literally cannot handle this.
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trulyhumblenarcissist · 4 years ago
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Abourt Rei Himura and BNHA Chapter 301
Now that I've read the official release of chapter 301 I can finally try to gather my thoughts. I think this time the particular rendition of dialogues and inflections provided by Caleb Cook is more crisp and clear than usual, especially in throwing "shade" upon Endeavor as a father figure. But let's do things in order...
Title: THE WRONG WAY TO PUT OUT A FIRE - a simple, but stark message that doesn't leave space for ambiguity. There was a fire, an imminent tragedy that could and should have been avoided, but whoever tried to fix it, did it all wrong and now we have to deal with a huge arson.
CARLESS HANDLING OF FIRE, on the other hand, doesn't quite cut it for me, because it seems like everything was caused by a foolish mistake. "I was carless and now I'm in a pinch"- type of situation, while it's perfectly clear that Endeavor and Rei decided purposefully which "strategy" to use with Touya. A BAD one to say it lightly. Rei's contribution and complicity is debatable, of course, and I'll touch on this later.
Let me get this clear though: I'm not trying in any way to critique the hard work of unofficial translators. I can't say anything relevant because I'm not a translator in the first place (I can barely understand English and my native language on a good day) and also because I am so grateful for everything they do in order to give us really good material FREE OF CHARGE basically a second after the release in Japan. I'm just interested about the different shades of subtext we can catch if we read the story through multiple filters. Every translation is unique because it carries the personal spin of the author even if the bias should be inexistent or ideally undetectable...
However, back to the chapter
REI'S CAGE
The first scene opens on a luxurious classic Japanese villa, with Enji, Rei and her parents discussing the motivation behind Enji's proposal. Or at least we initially think that's what's going on... Because in reality Rei's family couldn't care less about the motivation. Everything these people see is a wealthy, famous guy the next number one hero ready to take their daughter in marriage. I guess the Himuras are pretty broke, thight on cash, their old prestige is definitely gone and all they can do to save themselves from shame and poverty is "to sell" their only remaining asset.
During the whole ordeal, Rei is standing still, silent, cold as ice. She knows she doesn't really have a choice. How mortifying and sad is this? An adult, capable woman has no agency whatsoever, she is used again and again and she stoically accepts this treatment from every single dominant figure in her life until she can't be stoic anymore. I really hope Horikoshi's going to give her a much more proactive role in saving her family and it seems the narrative wants us to expect this type of character development.
I'd like to point out 2 panels in particular:
First one
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In this scene the Todorokis are back from their trip to the doc, who clearly said they shouldn't try to conceive a child with a perfect quirk mix because it is dangerous (and morally questionable too). Rei understands this fact and tries to dissuade Enji, but he doesn't listen, because he's projecting all his pent-up resentment and frustration onto Touya. He knows how it feels to crush against an unbreakable wall, since he can't surpass All might and his son can't too. He had to learn this truth the hard way, so Touya needs to do the same. Enji is purposefully throwing upon his son years of failures, self consciousness and despair, just because the boy has to get it into his thick skull that he is a dud, just like his father. This is not a hopeless dad making a mistake bona fide, this is a broken man trying to destroy his self reflection by proxy, annihilating everything Touya is, swiping the kid's identity under the rug. He describes his son's dreams and sadness as something birthed from stubbornness. He is auto-convincing himself however (because Endeavor is not stupid). A little bit later he's basically saying: "Touya let's play make believe! We can go on like everything I had engulfed in your psyche never existed, you're a failed attempt so you don't exist. Your needs and wants are silly and useless, nothing worth dealing with now that I can't make you my prodigy. Why don't you go play with the other failures so that I don't have to look at myself while taking actually care of you. I don't want to see you, because it's too painful, because you're a remainder of my own inadequacy."
Note: If you want to read an incredibly well done analysis about Endeavor's motives and psyche, you can get it on @thyandrawrites , she's dwelt on everything extensively and way better than me.
I really want to talk about Rei though. In the panel I showed above, her expression is a bit tricky to analyse. At first she is very vocal about her position. She doesn't want to put Touya through useless suffering, especially since they have a scientific reason not to. They have no guarantee of success with other children, besides, they could possibly have to deal with other health related issues. However, all it takes to convince her in the end is Enji's half assed attempt at the "It's for Touya's sake" shtick. Is it really? Why doesn't she question her husband anymore?
Well... I think before Natsuo, she was probably hoping Touya would let go "naturally", with time and growth, maybe by taking interest in his other siblings. Rei said she wanted to have more children because in her mind they would have supported and loved each other. Maybe she was naive enough to think that a big family full of kids few years apart from each other was all Touya needed to distract himself from his purposes... BUT and here is the point I want to get across: She was deluding herself too, much like Enji. The ugly truth, in my opinion, is that Rei is a person prone to protect herself by going with everything other people want, especially if said people are capable of hurting her. Yes, she was hurt time and time again, but what would have happened if she really tried to stop Enji?
What I am trying to say is that Rei is the kind of person who endures to survive. She holds a "captive" mentality in which, by indulging her captor's desires, she can continue living with less possibile damage. If I stay still and silent, if I don't make a scene, I can go on, I can hold onto the few things I have that actually make me happy.
Let's think about it... Enji was so obsessed with his psychotic, power-hungry quest that he would have probably disown Rei. She would have been thrown away for a more compliant woman with an ice quirk, or something similar, this resulting in her probably losing everything, the respect and love of her family (the Himuras) and also her own children. Because we know Endeavor can definitely hold a grudge and is vendicative.
So, clarifying, Rei doesn't put up a fight because she is scared for herself in a way... She is scared to be hurt in the worst possible way (by losing her little bit of serenity), so her strategy is to endure and to keep up a facade of control and purpose.
Rei, ironically just like Touya and other characters in mha, doesn't really get what unconditional love is. Her family loves her until she can be useful to the Himura name and status, her husband loves her for her quirk. Her children, however, love her for who she is and she wants to stay with them... Only to be forced to leave them later anyway.
The few times Rei actually smiles are when she is with her babies. She is a deeply loving mother in her core, but her declining mental health makes her a very lacking caregiver.
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This panel, in my opinion, shows the point of no return for Rei. She can't keep the glacial facade forever...
After Natsuo's turn to be deemed a failure, Endeavor is crazier than ever, because All Might is as popular and loved as ever and he hasn't make any progress into his eugenetic games. The last two images of Rei are very telling. She is exhausted, but she knows what her husband wants from her this time too. She looks like a lifeless doll and honestly I can easily see Shouto's conception as... Non consensual and I will stop here.
Then Shouto is born, the last, perfect specimen... And Rei isn't doing much for Touya, we can see she's apparently blind towards her eldest son's distress already after Natsuo's birth... But why?
Because she is actively avoiding to face the Touya's problems too.
If Touya is still suffering, is still feeling stressed and worthless, then everything Rei has endured, everything she pretended not to feel for the sake of her family has been completely useless. What Rei cannot look at is her own parental failure, is the concrete proof that while protecting herself and her peace she did not protect her children too, because the two interests were never really aligned, even if she really believed so. She never had a functional family to preserve in the first place and everything she accepted to do was all for the sake of a false sense of belonging.
However is too easy to say she should've rebelled against Enji and dumped his sorry ass. Abuse traps you and your abuser too in a cage tricky to escape.
What I imagine will happen next chapter is one of two things:
Enji stops Touya by using brute force, probably also saying something really scarring to reinforce the notion that Shouto is the only child he cares about.
Rei stops Touya by using her quirk. This act could be considered by Touya another confirmation that even his mother actually does something by her own accord only when Shouto's safety is at risk
Necessary conclusions
I don't blame Rei for her actions too much. She is a victim turned abuser by circumstances, but more importantly she's actually taken mesures to prevent herself from hurting her children again. She's trying to heal for her family's sake, really this time. Ten years spent dealing with guilt and having actual therapy seem a good plan to me. And now she's the one ready to snap Enji back to reality.
Enji, on the other hand, is trying too. It's too little too late, but if he stops avoiding reality and hardly works on understanding his family's point of view I don't think he is completely unredeemable. I don't see him surviving his last confrontation with Touya, thought... But I could be totally wrong.
Obviously everything I've said it's my personal analysis on Rei's character, as I interpret her actions and words, so feel free to contradict me and/or to add anything you might see fit.
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arcticapple99 · 4 years ago
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The fact that after Dabi’s dramatic call out video not a single Social worker bothered to come check up on Shouto proves that Hero society is actual garbage.
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imqu1se · 4 years ago
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.....dabi can mute ppl irl
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pancake-stray-doggo · 4 years ago
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It's okay I'm okay
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llnko · 3 years ago
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friezagirl · 4 years ago
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Natsuo is born but that's not good, both in terms of quirk, which is not the right one, and because Touya understands that Enji is trying to replace him. Rei already looks worn out and tired. Enji is more and more disappointed by his children, saddened by his ever more unattainable goal, and so even at home the situation is agitated, and he can be seen from Rei's eyes. But then here's the hope. Shoto is born, and now Rei hopes that everything can go well, that she can rest; Enji instead shouts that his masterpiece has succeeded, but, Touya is increasingly desperate, he collapses because he knows he is a failure. In the second scene there are three palpable emotions in my opinion: pride for Enji, hope for Rei, and despair for Touya. And I have a lot of pain. T_T This causes a major break in the heart of Touya, who can't help but try, try and try again, tries to be what he wants: his father's successor, his triumph. He just wants his father to love him, give him affection and be proud of him, encouraging him on his path... But Enji will never do it, especially now that Shoto is born.
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kira125 · 4 years ago
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Endeavour is a piece of shit! Rejecting Touya and having other kids only to surpass All Might!
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Then he said to him...
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Meaning that Touya's only purpose was to be a hero!! He had no friends ! So he's father gently said to him " Son, you couldn't be a hero and surpass All Might, there are other things in life instead of being a hero!"
This was hurt because Touya really loved his father and respect him, wearing also his merchandising. But Endeavour neglecting him, having other kids, only to stop Touya and realized his dream having the perfect child.Note that in this chapter lots of time is remarked that Enji and Rei had a quirk marriage. In the fan translation specifically the Doctor talked about the practice of "Designing Children". We knew that combination of different quirks could generate new strong rare quirks: this is the case of Touya, Shoto, Bakugo. But if Bakugo 's parents had complementary type of quirks, Enji and Rei had opposite quirk so there would be the possibility that one of their son will be affected by an unbalanced combination of quirk and body type: Touya had a body suited for ice instead a powerful fire quirk, so he couldn't develop a fire resistance. Shoto is "perfect" because he could use both quirks, developing both ice and fire resistance.
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Here we can see the only Endavour's goal was to have a child who will surpass All Might!Touya is a failure to him!
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swiftwidget · 4 years ago
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MHA Chapter 301 Analysis
“The Wrong Way to Put Out a Fire: Part 1” 
  ***SPOILERS AHEAD***
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Who was Rei Todoroki comparing her children to and which child did she see peeking through the door that day?
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Chapter 301 is incredibly revealing and shows that a flashback based upon a single character’s point of view is not and cannot be read as the full story. 
What we knew of the Todoroki family - specifically Enji and Rei - mainly came from Shouto’s flashbacks during the Sports Festival and what we essentially overheard the family discuss when the focus is turned on them. 
However! It isn’t the full story! It can even be misleading! 
That is a mind-blowing way to write in a series like this. Just 100% good use of double-meaning and reread value. Horikoshi is honest-to-goodness impressive.
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Chapter 301 reveals at least the first half of the downfall of the Todoroki family structure and life. 
We have a marriage built upon an agreement. 
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A man with growing power and influence marrying the daughter of an old-money family that had lost its prestige over time. Both parties understood that they had their part to give. Enji gives Rei’s family a continued connection to power, influence, and money while Rei offers her ice quirk to create the kind of child Enji Todoroki wants.
Enji as the Hero Endeavor has at this point already given up on becoming Number 1. He’s seen the gap between himself and All Might and judged that he comes up short. He simply isn’t able to bridge that gap, but he believes a child of his can - given the right quirk combination. 
Enji and Rei have their first child, Touya, and have a second, Fuyumi, to be his companion and support. 
Enji told Touya what he was going to be, built up the expectation (and pressure) that he’d teach him to be the Number 1 hero. But Touya’s body and quirk don’t match. His quirk harmed his body. At no fault of his own, Touya was judged as incapable of fulfilling Endeavor’s vision. 
All Touya wanted was his father’s attention and affection. He pushed himself to prove he still could be a great hero with his quirk, and hurt himself trying to get the attention he needed as a child. 
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Enji, being an extremely well-written flawed character, wants two things: 1) to continue his vision and 2) to get his first child to stop hurting himself. So, he does what he believes would solve both problems. Continue pushing for the successful mix of quirks. His thought process likely being: If Touya could see that he couldn’t bridge the gap and wouldn’t have to, surely he’d stop. 
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But to Touya, he’s being replaced. Left behind. Erased. 
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Being cast aside and told to try something else only fuels his desperation to prove himself. It fuels his anger too. He continues to self-destruct. 
And he lashes out. 
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Where was Rei during all of this? 
Rei, meanwhile, had been upholding her end of the marriage arrangement. Having child after child put her under more and more strain, exhausting her. Maybe she believed that Enji’s plan would get Touya to stop. Maybe she believed that they all had their part to endure to be in this family. 
Then, Touya lashed out at her and the infant Shouto with his flames. 
I think this will be continued in the next chapter, but this is what we already know:
Touya lashed out at Rei and Shouto when Enji pushed him away
Shouto lived mostly separated from his siblings for the majority of his childhood, including Touya who was still present
Enji put Rei in a mental hospital when she poured boiling water on Shouto
Touya’s “death” occurred shortly after Rei was sent to the hospital
If Touya lashed out only once, there wouldn’t be a need to separate Shouto from him for so long. It’s likely Touya lashed out more than once. As sad as it is, it is also possible that he was not put through proper therapy and instead was sedated or punished. 
If Touya wasn’t getting the help he needed and he lashed out with his fire more than once?
How do you stop your child from burning you, your other children, or himself? 
How do you put out a fire?
You pour water on it. 
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You use whatever water is nearby. Over and over for as many times as he ignites himself. 
That was Rei’s job as Touya’s mother. When he was upset and burst into flames, she said it herself: “We have to cool him down!” 
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So when Shouto overheard her talking to her mother in his flashback, what he understood was that he was being compared to Endeavor and his mother couldn’t stand to raise him anymore. 
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But what did Rei see? Who?
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She saw Touya as he was when his hair was still turning white. Her baby boy, Touya, overhearing her compare the children to him and rejecting him. Saying she shouldn’t be the one to raise Touya because she can’t help him when she can clearly see he needs help. And in that state of extreme stress, she thought Touya had come to lash out again. 
So she grabbed the water she had on hand and poured. 
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This chapter is incredibly revealing and just the title card itself seems to point in this direction. 
“That’s why I’m here.” Rei is stepping up again to put out a fire. This time hopefully the right way. 
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Enji was a terrible father, but not just for the reasons we believed we knew. He never let go of his vision and expected Touya to give up for the same reasons he did. Endeavor pushed Shouto to succeed not only for his vision but also to save the life of Touya whose drive he couldn’t understand. He was and is an extremely flawed and desperate man. 
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Rei hurt Shouto, but not because he reminded her of Endeavor. She was scrambling to put out Touya’s flames, trying to do what she could with what little support, mental stability, and options she believed she had available. Pushed to the brink, she slipped up and mistook Shouto for Touya. 
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Enji and Rei are both incredibly well-written flawed parents. We’re only now seeing the fuller picture.  
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This is in part a continuation and expansion of this post. 
This post is based on my real-time realization discussion on the Toshinoumu discord manga chat page. If you want to read the Toshinoumu AU/ “I Am...” Series, check out our @toshinoumu blog for more information. 
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Additional fun/sad fact courtesy of @aoimikans​: Rei’s favorite flower is a blue lily. Lily roots and bulbs have been used for medicinal purposes. They were boiled into teas to treat stomach disorders, fevers, and assist women in labor. They have also been used topically to treat sores and burns. The essential oil is used to help treat depression. 
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ALSO I SEE YOU DOCTOR YOU CAN’T HIDE! 
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jenny29 · 3 years ago
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#touya #todoroki touya #angst #thread
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llnko · 4 years ago
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friezagirl · 4 years ago
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Same? Both full of pain and trauma.
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friezagirl · 4 years ago
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Now they are here, where they faced those weird clerics of chapter 220. This makes me happy, because Toga knows that place and therefore could really reach them. For sure it's a good hiding place they've kept in case of an emergency like this, so Toga is aware of where they are. I hope Toga is well and joins them soon. TvT In that place they will be safe for a while, they can rest and for sure the League will console Toga as soon as she arrives.
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pancake-stray-doggo · 4 years ago
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Hello, welcome to the Protect Dabi At All Costs Squad!
I will viciously fight anyone who tries to hurt this beautiful fallen angel!
Just fuckin watch me :)
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friezagirl · 4 years ago
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The more he used the flames, the whiter his hair became? This makes me think that Touya maybe has white hair because of her mother's gene, not because of the stress, or maybe both. He is normal and you can see that he was enduring a lot and too much pain, both psychological and physical, something that increased when Natsuo arrived and then especially with Shoto; therefore it is probable that, as is due to Rei's gene, stress also accelerated the increase in white hair. T_T
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