#bioware didn't need to try to give her even 'sort of' credit after the fact to make her relationship with lucanis meaningful

[crossdressingdeath]

Lucanis: Neve. In the Fade with Rook and Spite... you were there. I mean, not you, but... you know what I mean. You helped Rook. Sort of. Neve: Sort of? Well, isn't that flattering. At least I'm on your mind.

First, some housekeeping. If anyone comes on to this post to whine about how Veilguard was awful or claim Neve sucks or whatever the "waah the game wasn't what I wanted so it's garbage" complaint of the week is, you're getting blocked immediately. Fuck off. I'm sick of your shit. Second, this very much is not meant to say anything bad about Neve, mostly because... well, it's not really about her (hell, she isn't even there technically), it's more about how giving Lucanis any non-Rook LI plays with Inner Demons; Neve is just the non-Rook LI Bioware chose so she's the one whose name I'm using. Also: this is a very minor thing to complain about. I'm nitpicking. I know. But it's my blog and nitpicking amuses me so I'm doing it anyway. That said, let's get into it.

This is... an extremely generous description of what Neve does in Inner Demons. Or rather dream!Neve? Like Lucanis says, it's not really her. Anyway though, the thing is that dream!Neve does the same thing the other dream versions of Lucanis's family and friends do: she tells Rook to give up and insists that Lucanis is never getting out, and then when they refuse to give up on him she disappears. Which makes sense; the people ("people") we see in Inner Demons are as far as I can tell the darkest parts of Lucanis's mind spouting what he's afraid his friends and family think of him, they've got very little to do with the people themselves beyond potentially raising exaggerated concerns that Lucanis knows they had/have (for example Harding not initially trusting him). I mean, there's a reason why Rook eventually stops referring to them by name and just starts calling them Lucanis, they're parts of him and not the people they appear to be. Rook is different; they can act outside of those fears because they are themselves brought into the Ossuary in truth. Neve (or any other potential LI Lucanis could have; again, this isn't about Neve as a character, this would be a thing with any potential non-Rook LI) can't act outside of playing mouthpiece for those fears because that's not Neve!

I'm not saying Neve should've done something, to be clear; hell, I would've been annoyed if she had. Inner Demons is first about Lucanis's personal arc and second about how important Rook is to him! Having Neve suddenly show up and play a major role in the whole thing would a) weaken that relationship beat between Lucanis and Rook (there's a reason why all the major relationship beats between Rook and their companions are one on one, after all) and b) make very little sense in a Lucanismance/Nevemance run where they don't end up together, given their platonic relationship doesn't have much content (except in banter, which shouldn't be relied on since obviously not everyone will get it in a given run) and would leave her feeling like a pretty random choice (meta knowledge aside) compared to other options. Not to mention Neve's dynamic with Lucanis when they get together is different than his dynamic with Rook when romanced; she doesn't need to get in his head to help like that because her relationship with him is different than Rook's, that's fine. It's good even, it'd feel like a lazy copy of his romance path if they just slotted her into Rook's romance scenes with him.

The issue for me is that Lucanis is saying "oh you helped" when... she didn't. No "sort of" about it, she objectively did not help. She wasn't even there and that dream version of her just told Rook to give up on him until they refused same as the others did. If Bioware wanted to say Neve was helping Lucanis with his problems that could've happened in a cutscene between them! That would've been really nice, actually! They also could've just left it unsaid but safe to assume (the stupidity of the fandom aside) and that also would've been fine. But by having Lucanis go "Oh you helped! Sort of!" it feels kind of like... they're grasping at straws? Trying to make her seem more relevant to that sequence of events than she actually was? And to be fair that might be intentional and it's Lucanis doing that in-universe, but I just don't think trying to insert her into Inner Demons after the fact really... works, even if it is supposed to be Lucanis doing it. I honestly think that just not having this banter would've been better; hell, replace it with a mention that Lucanis went to Neve to discuss the events of Inner Demons at some point after the fact! That would've been great, have him actually make the choice to talk to her specifically about it! But Neve did not help during Inner Demons, that's not a bad thing (and hardly her fault given she wasn't there), and there was really no need to try to insert her into it after the fact. Let her have her own relationship with him and help him with this in her own way! Maybe it's just that it reminds me of those fics where people shove one half of their preferred ship into the other half's canonical emotional moments with someone else and call it a good romantic moment for their ship and those are a real pet peeve of mine, but this banter rubs me up the wrong way.