#best gaylor evidence yet

[nonconformingidealist]

I've been listening to some episodes of a podcast talking about Gaylor and Kaylor and just the fact that Taylor Swift is very obviously queer. I have been enjoying it but they've made some off-handed comments on Larry so I figured okay maybe they don't know enough or just don't believe in that for whatever reason. Then I see that there's an episode on Larry and larries and it's just them shitting on the whole concept, the possibility. They really just talk about all of the "evidences" we have over the years and laugh it off or say that it's just not probable.

And whatever, you don't believe it, fine.

But it's so bizarre to me, that the same things they've seen Taylor do and talk and write and sing about for years, are completely ignored with respect to Harry and louis. Both of them, as seperate individuals.

Ive just been finding it so frustrating because it is so damn hypocritical. Taking Kaylor for example, so many of their moments were very obviously for PR, they were each good for the other's publicity in the omg we are best friends manner, and I'm certain that both were aware that not everybody saw them as JUST best friends, and yet they continued, or rather their PR teams continued to make them make appearances. Yet taking one direction into consideration, of course they tried to shove the whole "Larry" concept with are they best friends or more in the faces of the fans in the beginning, regardless of whether it was real (of course it was), because it was GOOD publicity. And guess what? They were kids, they had no say.

But talking about this, atleast on this podcast, they say that they find it a bit weird for the boys to "joke" about being the possibility of them being gay because it's offensive or whatever.

Idk what it is, and idc if you don't believe in Larry or just louis and Harry being queer but if you don't, and if you still choose to talk about it publicly, try to not be so hypocritical, it's fucking annoying

[mercuryonparklane]

I'm very new to this and don't know any theories yet. Anyway, what's up with Joe? Is it (double) bearding/pr? To my knowledge it all clashes with Kaylor and I also can't figure out how Jaylor could even be real. To my understanding Kaylor also broke up, am I right in assuming that it's what "we" assume?

Let me start by saying that there is no real consensus among gaylors. There is not really a “we”. Most gaylors have our own views and some overlap, but not all.

There are gaylors who think Taylor is bi/queer and is really with Joe. There are others who think she is bi/queer and Joe is a beard (maybe originally for Karlie and/or Lily Donaldson, but was extended due to quarantine).

There are gaylors who think Taylor is a lesbian, but only some of the boyfriends have been beards (meaning some think she dealt with comphet beyond high school). Then there are gaylors like me who believe that Taylor probably dated guys in high school because of peer pressure or comphet, but is a lesbian and all of the public boyfriends have been beards.

My best advice for someone just starting to look into gaylor, is to read up on the theories and look at all the evidence and decide what makes the most sense to you. None of us can really know the truth because we don’t know Taylor like that, where she is divulging her secrets to us. If we did, we probably wouldn’t be speculating about it online (and probably signed a NDA anyway). Or, at least, I hope no one in her inner circle who she truly trusts would do that.

Some suggestions:

Start here with a Kaylor leaning master post that touches on Swiftgron and Taymily.

Then check out this more in-depth Swiftgron master post.

You can read the Tayliz master post, but not many gaylors believe in Tayliz. It’s my favorite to speculate about, but I’m still not totally convinced.

Another speculated relationship, but not very popular, is Tily. You can read up on it here.

There are things in most of the master posts that don’t really line up for me, but overall, they provide a decent overview because they usually include all or most of the known pictures, mentions, tweets, ig posts, etc. of Taylor and that woman. I’m sure you can find others by googling “Gaylor Swift timeline” or “Gaylor Swift master post”, but, again, keep in mind that there will likely always be some bias thrown in by the creator. I am not saying that in a bad way. It’s very difficult not to do that, as I have done it myself when writing certain things.

Long story short… (or not so short)

I believe Joe is a beard and probably a close friend who was meant to cover for Karlie and/or Lily and maybe some other woman/women over the last 5 years. I don’t really have enough of an opinion to speculate if it’s a double bearding set up or if it’s purely bearding for her and PR for him. There are blind items suggesting he is a beard and that he secretly hooked up with men, but take all that with a grain of salt, ofc.

I believe Kaylor broke up in 2016 and Taylor dated Lily for a couple years, while Joe acted as cover so she could have a reason for being in London so much. Some think Kaylor may have been on and off until 2020, but I just don’t think that’s the case. IMO, Kaylor was falling apart in early-mid 2016 (Cruel Summer), Taylor may have tried to keep things going, but Karlie chose Josh and ended things with Taylor in late 2016 and Taylor rebounded with Lily and ran away to London. Kaylor may have hooked up a couple more times after that, but they were only seen together once after November 2016 and that was when Karlie attended a 2018 Reputation Tour show in Nashville during her bachelorette week (could be part of what Taylor is talking about in MTR with “And you're the hero flying around, saving face”).

I think Taylor is single or was for a while after 2018. She may have hooked up with other women in the meantime or may have a super secret girlfriend. I mean, she has written/spoken plenty about being in a relationship that no one knows about with someone living a normal, private life, which would not apply to Joe, Lily, or Karlie, all of whom were involved in the entertainment industry prior to meeting Taylor, meaning they have some kind of not normal life and at least some interest in being a celebrity, or at least being a known/respected actor in Joe’s case. Otherwise, why pursue that kind of career, expecting to get any work?

Like I said, this is just what I think and I could be wrong. I suggest looking at all the “evidence” that is out there and figuring out what makes the most sense to you. I tend to lurk more often than not because I see a lot of gaylors, especially the newer ones, have much different views than I do and I’d rather not get in a disagreement about something that we’re all kind of just viewing through our own perspectives, you know?

I hope this was helpful in some way, Anon. I may not be the best help because I have what I think some would see as a pretty out there gaylor stance and have held it for quite some time and I think some people just don’t understand how someone could go to the certain lengths it would take for Taylor to have stayed in the closet, but I do.

Anyway, happy researching, Anon. Welcome to the rabbit hole. I must warn you, once you enter, you may find it very difficult to get out.

[whatiwillsay]

PSA

i’ve been gaylor blogging for an entire pregnancy now (congrats karlie) and i feel compelled to share some things:

1.  it’s ok to say you don’t know something - i think too often we get excited and start claiming things as fact when they’re at best theories.  if you see me saying something “definitely” happened or anything other than public info is a fact, i’m speaking hyperbolically and i’m going to try and temper my language a bit moving forward.  when i started this blog i went along with a lot of gaylor party lines as though they were hard facts just to “fit in” so to speak but once i did my own research my opinions on things changed and that’s ok. 

2.  i’ve learned a lot about swiftgron and i have yet to find anything that makes me think it didn’t happen but that doesn’t mean that it for sure did happen.  i do think something gay went on between those two in the spring of 2012 and i wrote a whole masterpost and an put together an assortment of other proofs to support that theory, but that doesn’t mean it did happen.  it’s a good theory with a lot of supporting evidence but we should always be open to being wrong.

3.  i also want to reiterate - i don’t know taylor or dianna personally nor do i know any of their publicity teams or anything like this.  i do all this for fun as a civilian.  i have a couple friends who are familiar with the entertainment industry that keep me educated on things but as far as special secret sources - i don’t have any!

[taylizmasterpost]

Julianne Hough Is (maybe) a Thing (October 2009 - January 2010)

So Taylor and Julianne had interacted before this point. Taylor and Kellie and Julianne had hosted something together earlier, and Julianne was on Dance Wars back when Liz was, but Julianne’s presence in Taylor’s life ramps up a TON for this very brief period of time. Julianne was 21 and Taylor was 18 (slightly larger age gap than TayLiz).

The important thing about JH’s presence in Taylor’s life for this period of time, however, is that Julianne is out as “not straight,” and is the only woman possibly romantically connected to Taylor to have come out like this -- unless you could Dianna with #Shirtgate and/or think Cara Delevingne and Taylor have hooked up at some point. So, let’s keep this in mind moving forward. However, JH is also incredibly racist and even did blackface at one point, so we do not stan and are not shipping this.

24 October 2009 - Taylor and JH paint each other for Katy Perry’s birthday party. Taylor maybe gives JH a blue boob grab and JH paints her initials onto Taylor’s dress. This is the evidence most people point to as to something happening with them during the “Lost Years.” Is it a smoking gun? No, but it’s definitely interesting.

I’m divided into two camps of belief on Taylor’s relationship with JH: either they were hooking up, or JH was just a big gay mentor/friend figure for Taylor. I’ve put the evidence of their interactions below, so you can try to figure it out with me:

25 October 2009 - JH and Taylor tweet at each other a bunch about the party. 

Taylor Squared also attend a hockey game together.

27 October 2009 - Taylor and Selena have dinner. JH crashes. She tweets at Taylor then invites her to the “MJ premiere.” Taylor tweets about being chased by the paps, presumably because she was hanging out publicly with Selena and JH.

That night, Liz and Taylor perform together on Dancing With the Stars:

28 October 2009 - Taylor Squared go shopping and have a dinner date. They also take these obviously staged car photos.

(The lens has to have been on the hood of the car or something. There’s no way they didn’t notice the camera).

29 October 2009 - Taylor films the Roomies Sketch for SNL. If you haven’t go seen it yet, go WATCH IT RIGHT NOW. It is the start of all of the Gaylor Swift rumors (which we’ll get to later). 

Considering how Taylor reacted when Liz got sick, and the fact that a lot of SNL sketches are based on jokes about the guest’s life/work, etc., I’m thinking this sketch was possibly about tour roommates TayLiz. But if that doesn’t sell you on it, maybe this gif comparison will:

1 November 2009 -  Taylor and Liz go to Paramore concert in Nashville. They dance together to the songs “Misery Business” and “That’s What You Get.” Very girlfriend-y.

7 November 2009 - Taylor hosts Saturday Night Live and the Roomies Sketch airs. 

Immediately after the Roomies Sketch airs, people flood After Ellen (a lesbian forum site -- think the L Chat but earlier) with gossip about Taylor being gay. Unfortunately, the original screenshot does not exist, but here’s someone on the L Chat talking about what happened that night:

Now while, once again, I hope all that stuff with Emily didn’t actually happen, for Taylor’s sake, it is really intriguing that the possibly-TayLiz-based Roomies sketch is the start of all of Taylor’s gay rumors.

11 November 2009 - CMT Awards. Taylor performs and wins an award. JH congratulates her on it with a tweet.

The secret message for Story of Us is “CMT Awards.” At the CMT awards in 2009, Taylor was separated from the band, so if TayLiz was having a hard time, (possibly due to JH jealousy, maybe because they hadn’t seen each other that much since tour ended) this would fit the line “standing alone in a crowded room and we’re not speaking.” Liz had retweeted Taylor about SNL earlier this week, though, so they may have been on good terms and this is not the CMT Awards that the linter note refers to. Or the liner notes are all lies. Who knows?

“Now I’m standing alone in a crowded room and we’re not speaking”????

12 November 2009 - JH and Taylor have a movie night together.

16 November 2009 - Taylor leaves for the Fearless tour in London. JH tweets at her to “have fun.”

18 November 2009 - TayLiz are papped in London returning to their hotel at midnight. (The London paps LOVE Taylor around this period of time, so a lot of the best TayLiz photos come from when they’re in London).

20 November 2009 - Liz tweets that she loves London. Taylor and Co are specifically in London for the Fearless tour, and TayLiz seem to be most “on” when they’re touring together. Perhaps that’s why she’s so excited to be in London...

21 November 2009 - Taylor and Liz go shopping and get lunch with Caitlin and Andrea at Portobello Market.

23-24 November 2009 - Fearless in London. The tour goes on break for the holidays after this.

December 2009 - Taylor and Taylor “break up”. 

9 December 2009 Taylor goes on an ice cream date with Emma Stone in New York after connecting over email (note that this is the same story she tells about who she wrote Enchanted about -- connecting over e-mail and then meeting in person in NYC). So as much as I’d like to give Enchanted to Liz, it fits better with Emma.

What this implies to me is that whatever was going on with JH wasn’t that serious, if Enchanted is indeed about Emma and Taylor went and got ice cream because she was trying to pursue something with her. Or nothing was going on at all and JH was just some big gay mentor. Or even just a friend.

10 December 2009 - Taylor tweets about liking the song I Know About You by Dashboard Confessional that has a bunch of lyrical parallels to cardigan. Here’s a few choice ones:

It’s a shame, I know 

But it all shakes out real slow 

When the forays of your weekend 

Hang like smoke on your clothes 

11 December 2009 - TayLiz and Caitlin go shopping together in NYC

13 December 2009 - Taylor’s 20th Birthday. Her backup dancer, Brandon, comes out at her party (something that’s interesting because he notes that it was while touring with her that he’d found a queer community):

The first time Stansell came out publicly was at Taylor Swift’s birthday party 10 years ago. “I was dancing on Taylor Swift’s Fearless tour,” says Stansell, 33. He was also juggling his studies as a senior at the conservative Belmont College in Nashville. He wasn’t out there, and he wasn’t out to his conservative parents. But he had found a support system for the first time. “I had queer friends in my life,” he says. “And I had a boyfriend.”

To me, this suggests that there were multiple queer people on tour at the time, and Taylor and Liz may have been two of them. However, it’s also possible that he had just found a queer community within Nashville, but the fact that the quote goes straight from “I was touring with Taylor” to “I had queer friends” implies to me some sort of connection between the two.

Liz tweets Happy Birthday at Taylor:

24 December 2009 - Taylor and JH are caught by a fan shopping together at Walmart:

31 December 2009 -  Taylor spends NYE going to the spa with Julianne, going to dinner with Hayley Williams and then goes to her brother’s NYE party.

2 January 2010 - Liz tweets the lyrics to John Mayer’s Heartbreak Warfare

Maybe Liz just likes the song. But I think it’s interesting considering Taylor seems to be out and about with another woman after a whole summer of them being Roomies. I also think it’s intriguing that one of Liz’s favorite nicknames for Taylor is “Tay,” which just happens to be the secret message of Back to December... Did something go wrong between TayLiz at the end of December? Or is the song really for Taylor Lautner, despite the obvious stuntiness of that relationship?

6 January 2010 - Liz congratulates Taylor on something and says she “missed our family,” implying they haven’t seen each other since touring in London together.

9 January 2010 - TayLiz attend a housewarming party together.

19 January 2010 - TayLiz and Caitlin hang out.

23 January 2010 - TayLiz and Caitlin get on a plane to get back on tour.

25 January 2010 - Taylor films something with The Agency and there are a lot of laughs.

27 January 2010 - Taylor and JH attend the same cancer charity event together,

This is the last time we see Taylor and JH together for a long while, and judging by the way Taylor seems to be deliberately avoiding touching JH’s bare back in that last hug, if they had anything, it’s over by this point. Taylor is single and ready to mingle mope about it for a few months.

CONCLUSION: So, did Taylor and JH happen? Maybe. Maybe not. On one hand, I want to believe it did, since, as stated previously, JH is the only out queer woman that Taylor has rumors with. 

The SNL Roomies sketch certainly reads to me as being about TayLiz being roomies on tour, and so the fact that all of Taylor’s gay rumors started here certainly makes a case for TayLiz having been doing something during the first half of the Fearless tour. However, they seem to have drifted apart a bit during the winter. Could this be due to JH? Or something else entirely? Could JH have just been a gay mentor? Who knows for sure. However, something must’ve caused TayLiz to cool down because what’s next is:

Single Taylor and The Gay Australia Trip (February 2010)

[dancingintheafterglow13]

Today (October 28th, 2020) marks one month on my gaylor bullshit and I swear things have never made so much sense.

I know I said that I’d be doing some total song analysis on both I Know Places and Illicit Affairs and I swear that it’s coming but I’m a college student with two giant papers to write. If they’re not here in the next two weeks, they’ll be here in early December once finals are over, I promise.

But today, since I feel a little more well versed in gaylor than I was a month ago, I wanted to share one reason why there is no doubt in my mind that Taylor isn't straight

(this might be long so I’m putting it under the cut)

For this, I’m not going to go into fandom theories (that obviously have so much evidence) but instead talk about three of my favourite songs and how they fit so well into my life as someone who isn’t straight,

A little background about me: I identify as queer which essentially to me means that I pretty much exclusively like women and some tiny part of me has known that since I was very small (even though I didn’t fully realize it until I was 15).

Now, onto the songs.

seven, Treacherous, and Dancing With Our Hands Tied. Three songs that have been really important to me ever since the first time I heard them. I know that these are three songs that are heavily associated with gaylor, but when I first heard them I never knew of any associations, they just perfectly matched things that I’d gone through myself.

I’ll start with seven. I’ll admit that seven didn’t click immediately with me when I first heard it, but I knew it was gay and that it felt familiar. Just around the time I was learning about gaylor, I realized why it mattered to me. Because the relationship described in the song is exactly the relationship I had with my best friend when I was seven, who I had a massive crush on. That, carefree, running around in fields, climbing trees, sitting on porches in the summer, vibe I get from the song, describes every year this girl and I were friends. She even had a swing at her house. And even though her dad wasn’t always mad, in a way, her mom was. And every time I hear seven now, even though I haven't seen this girl since I was 13, I still remember all those moments as if they were yesterday.

Moving forward in time, we reach Treacherous. I first got into RED the fall before I associated any songs with anyone but Treacherous was always a stand out for me. And then... it was the summer I was fifteen and the first time I consciously fell for a girl. I remember not understanding how I could feel anything for this girl  and yet... wanting to risk it all for this girl I’d known for only a few hours. I went home after, and listened to Treacherous and got the same feeling that I’d gotten with this girl, and, along with me remember all the gay things I’d done in my childhood, that’s how I slowly realized I wasn’t straight. To this day, I’ve always associated Treacherous with my queer relationships (and before I met that girl, I never associated the song with any of the boys I “liked”).

Finally, we’ve reached Dancing With Our Hands Tied, my number one stan song. I could go on for days about why this song means so much to me but I won't. reputation came out 17 days after I broke up with my ex and I was still so in love with her, and sad that we couldn’t be together anymore. I still remember exactly how I felt when I first heard Dancing With Our Hands Tied. By the time the first chorus rolled around, there were tears in my eyes. Never before had a song meant so much to me, nor had one so accurately described how it felt to be in a relationship with a girl who you loved so much, and who loved you the same, but you couldn’t say anything about the relationship because it might ruin everything good you had. I still listen to that song when I’m missing her and everything we had. I even cried at tour when Taylor played this song acoustic, because it just gutted me. I still cry whenever I hear the acoustic version. I don’t think any song will ever match the way I can relate to this song and what it means to me as a queer person.

Based on the songs alone, and how closely they relate to three big gay things in my life, there is absolutely no way that these songs that perfectly detail the queer experience in falling in love with your best friend as a child, to closeting as a teen and later as an adult, could be written by a straight person.

That’s just the way these songs make me feel. Okay, rant over. If you’ve read this, thank you, you’re amazing. 

[readingthelastpage]

Calvin, Tom and Joe in the context of Gaylor

so the consensus in the Kaylor fandom is that all of these were purely PR relationships made up to hide her gayness, and the proof was that Taylor is a lesbian in a long-term monogamous endgame relationship with another lesbian, Karlie. I don’t share this opinion, and yet when I prod at these relationships, my overwhelming conclusion is that they are conducted for the public. Gaylor Swift (Taylor being fluid or bi or gay) and songs inspired by her love of women (like Karlie) factor a little bit into that, but the reason why I have this feeling is the reality of Taylor’s image at the time she was publicly linked to each of these men, and the things I assume about Taylor’s creative process.

here’s the deal about 1989: Taylor’s glossy pop single gal makeover is celebrated, but she is still mocked. the love songs aren’t super sad breakup songs, but they aren’t happy love songs either. she says she would love to write an album about a love that shines golden if she ever finds it - it’s obvious that, for Taylor to shed her image of kinda sexless and mildly immature young woman, being a single feminist with a girl squad won’t work as a public image - and it super stops working when the media publishes images of her and Karlie snuggling at a concert. she needs to date someone who is kinda older (but not innapropriately so), not a teenybopper but considered hot by Taylor’s generation, both respected in his field (that has to be different than the typical Taylor date of either actor or pop singer) and up-and-coming in popularity. Someone kinda worldly, maybe foreign.

If it sounds like I just described Calvin, I did! Honestly, dating him for longer than a year was the best thing Taylor did for her public image, for her overwhelmingly hetero audience who want to see her succeeding in her love life. She can now “”””keep a man””””, and a cool man at that, someone who hasn’t been seen as a star-chaser and who hasn’t been involved in PR-relationships. But Calvin wasn’t the best person, he publicly embarrassed Taylor several times and is generally volatile and her fanbase begins to dislike him. He’s not the way to go.

Except Taylor still wants to write about her golden love. TS6. Lover. (Karlie). The good stuff, the good feelings. Someone hot by her side she has cocktails with on a private beach, so handsome they make her jealous and high above the whole scene.

Here’s something controversial: I don’t think Taylor’s albums are a perfect diary of her private life. Anyone trying to “prove” any theory or timeline via them will have a very difficult time. I do think she writes about the real feelings she has experienced (with maybe some artifice in the specifics), but the songs she will put on her album will connect to the story about herself she wants to tell that era, just like her different image each era will communicate different things.

In other words: it’s not that Taylor writes a bunch of isolated happy love songs about Karlie or a bunch of isolated on-and-off again songs about Dianna and conceptualizes her next era around that batch of songs and picks a public muse based on that, to cover up for the real inspiration. Rather, the real inspiration is her life and feelings, she picks the songs and the concepts based on the story she wants to spend a few years performing and telling in the next era, the image and the boyfriends follow.

I don’t have any concrete evidence for this. It’s just my feeling based around being around musicians, being a fan of musicians and investigating into their creative processes, and being a creative type myself and seeing different things about Taylor’s journey. REP is about a very isolated incident in Taylor’s life, but also giving the middle finger to the haters (and, as it turns out, her crappy label) because she has a hot lover and real friends. We know Taylor went through a lot more shit at the time she wrote about these things, but this is the story she wanted to keep telling, possibly to pick herself up, keep herself strong, and for an image benefit. There’s nothing the public loves more than someone owning their mistakes, rising from the ashes and at the same time living a good life. Putting other songs on REP would have muddied the message.

Here’s how I think it went down: Taylor goes through her storm. It becomes clear to her that she will address the storm on the next album. She also will not give the next album to her crappy label, and will have to leave all the old Taylors in the past so she can break free with Reputation and then have the Lover Paradise Butterfly concept. The LWYMMD video is pretty clear as a retelling of that. However, Taylor still has happy love songs in mind and will not spend the next era single - she wants a public partner, not just to cover for the “paternity test” because she doesn’t want the songs tied to Calvin (or Karlie), but because that’s the right PR move to pull in light of the Tayvin breakup.

Enter someone also handsome, enviably so, worldly, funny, broad-shouldered and supportive and - key difference from Calvin - a good sport and agreeable and fun. She attempts to create a whirlwind romance fast with Tom and really there’s no reason why it would go wrong... except they go overboard and it does go wrong. It works on paper but the way they captured all of that looks freakin’ silly, that silly shirt appears, and people go nuts. Taylor gets rid of him very fast. Now she has two romances she doesn’t want her love songs tied to. I don’t think it’s a coincidence she spread the word of Joe on her secret sessions and specifically said all songs are about him, because some of these details really bring me back to specific Hiddleswift and Tayvin public moments she has created. Not a great start for a new era. She would definitely want to go away for a while, regardless of whether or not she is creating space for another public romance or not. Maybe the realization Karlie and her aren’t the endgame she was writing about or thinking about happens right then and there when she disappears, maybe it’s earlier or later.

Joe is a bit of a mystery just because he is such a ghost. There’s no question that not all of the time Taylor spends in London is for work, and there’s no question that at least some of that time is spent with Joe. Sometimes I wonder if she is with someone in his particular inner circle (though there is no need for that really), and sometimes I wonder if she is really with him. But one thing is absolutely clear: in him, she has found her ideal public relationship. A blank canvas, he could be made into anything her team wanted. She could write any future love songs “about him” and no one would question it. It corrects for all things in her previous public relationships (especially Hiddleswift) and it’s perfectly stable and allows her to have the pop star life that’s more in tune with her sensibilities: both glamorous and lowkey, both cool and kinda boring. It would be a big coincidence if she happened to find the perfect boyfriend for her golden love album and mature pop star era. It’s especially suspicious that he was projected to be the next big serious yet mysterious leading man right around the time they hooked up, and then, purely by chance, his career just didn’t blow up like it was expected to. I’m not saying it’s impossible that they are real. But so far... I’m going with PR because it’s a little too perfect.

People constantly question the benefit of Joe for Taylor. With him, she is so private and boring and gets no publicity, and he doesn’t get much either! I’d argue that’s the exact point. Taylor wants to be a little boring. Not too much, but romantically. She doesn’t want her private life pried into so hardcore. She still plays the game, but a bare minimum of it, and it shows. If you go on popular swiftie ask blogs, you’ll constantly get seasoned bloggers saying there’s no point in following her so closely because she “feeds us” so irregularly and then flits off to London for a week right after. “She only does one thing a week and not every week”. The lowering of expectations is working. She only has to “work” in this way when it most benefits her and her public life isn’t such a spectacle anymore because there is nothing juicy to discover.

So. The thing about this fandom is that, when you want to see if something is true or not, you have to start believing it is true and then finding something palpable to debunk it. But with her past few boyfriends, people abandoned that method and went from the assumption that they were fake and let every tiny thing confirm this. I wanna go back to the original way. Overall, even when I debunk Kaylor as an overwhelming long lasting and still ongoing monogamous romance, Calvin, Tom and Joe still don’t quite check out as real boyfriends to me. Thems my thoughts. Maybe Lover will debunk some of them, but I definitely expect some golden love songs like those we got on Rep, some sad songs about other events she skipped depicting on Rep and - maybe another Karlie breakup song or two. (I say another because I connect GC to Karlie and DWOHT and NYD to breaking up). Maybe a song about reconciling after something bitter that people will attribute to Katy but that will be about her feelings about reconciling with Karlie. Maybe a song about a friendship breakup.

[whatiwillsay]

regarding your posts earlier: as a kaylor (if u don't mind) them possibly them being over is so upsetting to me and i'm definetly not there yet. i'm still hoping/believing. the thought of them going through so much shit, all the secrecy+stress added to the relationship for so many years, all the songs about being the one+soumates &then never having it pay off so to speak. to the GP it'll be like it never happened. i can't imagine what that must feel like for them if it makes me feel so sad

all kaylors are welcome here as long as they’re reasonable and kind.  you seem reasonable and kind so you are welcome!!! 💙🧡

i mean if you really want my thoughts i’ll give em to you

1.  kaylor could still be together or they could get back together.  i don’t know taylor, i don’t know karlie so you know...i only go off of the limited evidence we have.  folklore + some other evidence makes it seem like they’re apart.

2.  as far as this part of your question “the thought of them going through so much shit, all the secrecy+stress added to the relationship for so many years, all the songs about being the one+soumates &then never having it pay off so to speak. to the GP it'll be like it never happened. i can't imagine what that must feel like for them if it makes me feel so sad” 

^ regarding that - it’s the same with dianna.  except they had to break up due to being outed whereas taylor and karlie seemed to have broken up because karlie betrayed taylor.  dianna get’s painted as the toxic and bad ex but it seems like whatever parts of their relationship were up and down, in the end it didn’t matter, they chose one another until society/management/the industry chose to end the relationship for them “if one thing had been different...would everything be different?”

and regarding karlie’s supposed betrayal...i will say i went through ashley’s twitter account yesterday...she really is just on there to stan the la lakers basketball team and taylor.  she’s still very tight wth taylor and tay’s inner circle (Martha and gigi in particular).  ashley liking that perez tweet speaks volumes to me.  other than abigail she’s one of taylor’s oldest friends and she also doesn’t have to play games/frenemies with karlie like some of the other girls who are more established in the industry.  same with claire (i’ll be investigating her twitter account more in the near future)

ashley is fiercely loyal and fiercely protective of taylor and she’s liked more than just one of perez’s tweets - she seems to be cool with him...i don’t know i trust her and claire.

however i will concede that that was back in 2019 so it’s possible taylor and karlie have reconciled since then.  only time will tell (please wear a mask and vote for biden so we can get the pandemic under control and get more content of all our girls please)

but i have one more question and point for you kaylor friend, since you decided to come share, let me ask you this:

3.  why does it matter so much that she ends up with karlie?  like me and my people know we’re not getting a swiftgron endgame so we pull for a swiftgron friendship and funny swiftgron clues and content and other than that we just appreciate the past relationship and theorize about it.  

and other than that we just hope for a happy ending and true love for all of them.  

i have talked to so many kaylors who have an emotional attachment to a kaylor end game and no shade, there’s nothing wrong with that, and i can’t blame you because there was so much amazing content for so long it really must have seemed like you were gonna get kaylor end game - out as a power lesbian couple.

but like...shipping people irl isn’t like shipping a tv or movie couple.  with fictional ships you can tweet the producers/writers/networks/studios or even the actors and hope for it to be made canon or supported. for example the glee fandom managed to even get a few faberry scraps (comments about faberry from other characters) even after quinn was off the damn show.

but with irl people, we can’t control them. we can’t lobby any person in real life to be in love with any particular person - so instead of hoping for any particular end game i have more fun just observing the chaos and wondering what will happen next!  this seems to me, to be the best way to approach gaylor and irl shipping.  from a supportive distance - just watching and observing and then commenting instead of making super bold claims or predictions.  

my only hope for end game is true love and happiness for tay and the rest of the girls.  if that’s with karlie, amazing, but if not as long as they’re happy we should all be happy.