#because sure there have been times when governments have killed my ancestors (my great-grandparents died in Auschwitz)

[random2908]

My grandfather's grandparents were killed in a pogrom in 1920. The political setup was:

The Austro-Hungarian Empire had collapsed during WWI. So coming out of the war there was no real government of Hungary.

The intelligentsia class (doctors, lawyers, teachers) was somewhat Jewish, and somewhat communist, so a lot of the communist leadership in Budapest was Jewish. That was one of two major factions trying to create a government in Hungary starting from 1919 and over the next few years.

The other major faction was the far-right alliance of monarchists (mostly unpopular and pushed to the fringes of the movement) and proto-fascist nationalists (who would become actual fascists a few years later, once that movement fully congealed in Italy and then spread to surrounding nations).

To win hearts and minds, the proto-fascists claimed that they had the Hungarian people's best interests in mind much more than the communists, because the communists were Jewish.

To counter that propaganda--outside of Budapest itself where a lot of the communists were actually Jewish--the communist movement decided to kill as many Jews as it could find and redistribute all their property, to prove that they were more anti-Jewish than the fascists. The fascists thought this sounded like great fun, and so a contest was born, the two groups roving through the Hungarian countryside and killing as many Jews as they could.

It happened that it was the communists, rather than the fascists, who killed my great-great grandparents (beat them to death). I suppose this was inevitable: they were the head servants at a count's estate, which meant that they were among the least-poor people in a county where everyone was poor, so they were prime targets for wealth redistribution. (The count's property was untouched, because he was a noble, so it was all his by divine right.)

------------------------------

As for Trump, supporting Israel is not the same as supporting Jews. Most pro-Israel voters in the US are Evangelical Christians; there are more than twice as many Zionist Evangelical Christians in the US than there are Jews in the entire world. And the reason they're pro-Israel is because Israel needs to exist as a Jewish country in order for their apocalypse to start, at which point they (the Evangelical Christians) will be raptured safely to heaven and everyone else will die horribly and go to hell. (This sounds completely insane, but it's so central a part of their religion that they're happy to talk about it openly, if you ask them why they support Israel; they won't even bother hiding behind other platitudes or anything.)

But as someone above pointed out, Trump sure did say threatening things about Jews during his election campaign a few months ago. And he redefined Jews as a separate "nationality" during his first presidency--othering us and implying that we aren't fully American. Whatever he thinks of Israel, he is a danger to Jews.

(And honestly, what Trump thinks of Israel is that Bibi is a man very like himself. Someone who would go to jail for fraud and corruption if he lost his political hold, and is willing to do any unethical thing, up to and including dismantling democracy and killing large numbers of people, to evade justice. So Trump is personally friends with Bibi and supports him in every unethical and immoral act. Additionally, as evidenced by Trump's attempt at "Muslim bans" in his first presidency, he thinks dehumanizing Muslims is at the very least politically expedient, and possibly even something he personally believes in although it's always hard to tell what Trump really believes; and so will jump on opportunities to do so. None of this makes Trump any sort of ally to Jews.)

“trump isn’t antisemitic bc he supports israel” he supports whatever israel can do for him and the united states (in that order). “okay but he supports jews in the united states!” he is using us as a political tool as goyim often do. if he actually cared about dismantling antisemitism, he’d realize that superficially uplifting jews while leading a crusade against “dei” will only strengthen the left’s resentment of us. he doesn’t give a fuck about jews i promise lol

[deiacontraria]

So anyway, I don’t normally talk politics. I don’t normally talk about anything from the real world at all, most of the time. But let’s talk about colonies, shall we? Not naming any innocent countries, of course, since apparently that bothers them...

So anyway. Imagine you're just chilling in some islands, minding your own damn business, farming and building and kinda writing, and I don't know, DOING CIVILIZED THINGS, and these (for all you know) SPACE-DWELLING MOTHERFUCKERS crash into your shores. They have scary weapons that go pew pew and they look so different from you. Are they gods? Maybe they're the gods?! But hold up, why do these gods keep taking us away from our families to "take care of us"? "Teaching us to be civilized", you say? Wait, hold up, IS THAT A PYRE? WHY ARE YOU BURNING SOMEONE? Now, now, some space-dwellers may tell you, "no one ever actually burned anyone, hush hush hush", but they definitely burned someone.

A couple of our chiefs have their doubts, you see. We're not 100% sure, but we're willing to take the risk. We're going to try to drown one and see if he gets up. It's been 3 days. He didn't get back up. SO THEY AREN'T GODS, THEY'RE JUST ASSH- Oh no they just went pew pew on our chief. And our people. Oh well there goes that. And now now, at least they're bringing us civilization and all these wonderful cre- HOLD UP WHAT ARE THESE SPOTS ON MY SKIN? WHAT'S HAPPENING? Hey why did half of my population just get sick?! Hey? Hey, @space dwellers: wtf?! Well, who cares, most people who remembered that are gone by now.

Huh the space dwellers sure seem to have adopted a lot of our words. Hold up, why does everyone say they're words from the space dweller language? Huh? Oh well at least we're now in the CIVILIZED WORLD where we have SOCIAL RANKS based on completely irrelevant color features oh and we have THE SPACE DWELLER CHURCH. Nothing could possibly go wrong with the SPACE DWELLER CHURCH. Hold up why are the slaves turning the space dweller religion into something closer to their actual religion? NO THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS. And hold up since when are we slaves? Since when do we have slaves?

Oh, don't worry, there's plenty of free people in these island. PEOPLE WHO DESCEND FROM THE SPACE DWELLERS. No, no, no, there's plenty of free people who don't descend from the space dwellers! They have rights too! We record those rights in separate books and they're separate rights, of course, since those others are GASP not the same color as the space dwellers GASP, but the space dweller government and the space dweller church is very very nice to them OF COURSE. Very nice! And we don't have slaves anymore! Hold up why are the descendants of the space dwellers suddenly against the space dwellers? Is this about rights?

Well, they weren't born in SPACE like REAL SPACE DWELLERS so really, at the end of the day they're the same as those who are NOT space dwellers, since they haven't had the honor and glory of BEING FROM SPACE so they're all the same, who cares? Hold up why are all of these lands we RIGHTFULLY CLAIMED FOR THE SPACE DWELLERS suddenly not wanting to belong to the glory of SPACE anymore?

Hey guys where did all our lands go?! Anyway, listen up, space dwellers. We're tired. Would be a shame if something happened to these last 2 remaining lands you have there... WOULDN'T IT BE A SHAME IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, SPACE DWELLERS? Oh, yes, yes, you can have some extra rights, of course of course, JUST PLEASE DON'T LEAVE THE SPACE DWELLERS. PLEASE. Yes. Yes. You can even be a bit more sovereign. JUST DOn'T LEAVE THE SPACE DWELLERS PLEASE.

Huh did those other space dwellers really just offer to BUY us. Oh well OF COURSE our space dwellers said no, they love us. Hold up what are those new spaceships? Our space dwellers are at war with those other space dwellers? Huh? HOLD UP WHY ARE THE OTHER SPACE DWELLERS ATTACKING US? And the space dwellers just told the other space dwellers that they can just have us? GASP what? Hey. Hey space dwellers. Hadn't we just agreed we had RIGHTS? Oh great so now we got rid of the space dwellers but got some new space dwellers.

Hold up. The newest space dwellers just said our flag is illegal? And we have to learn their language? And we'll be arrested if we talk about what it would be like to NOT BELONG TO NEW SPACE DWELLERS? ???? ?????? ??????? Oh it's okay. You can talk about that now. It's been some years and no one remembers. GUYS I'VE GOT A GENIUS IDEA. We should become a part of THE NEW SPACE DWELLERS. I know they took away our rights just like the first space dwellers did but THESE ONES ARE BETTER. They're so CIVILIZED. We should join the NEW SPACE DWELLERS. We told the space dwellers we want to join! They said they'll be ignoring us! Wow! The NEW SPACE DWELLERS are so GREAT.

That tirade aside, you may say, I LIKE BEING A PART OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD. Ok? Weren't we already part of that? WE WOULDN'T BE CIVILIZED IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE SPACE DWELLERS. Sure, Susan, I'll tell my great^15-grandparents that their entire family died so YOU COULD HAVE FUCKING NETFLIX. And of course, of course, we can't change the past. Shit happens. Shit happens. AND THAT SHIT HAPPENED. PEOPLE DIED, SUSAN. But oh, oh, we should become a part of the NEW SPACE DWELLERS so we can be GREAT and have more OPPORTUNITIES. Ok? That definitely justifies everything, right? RIGHT? Of course, of course, YOU weren't there, and neither was I. No one here killed our great^15-grandparents. So of course, nothing matters? Right? Right? We SHOULD be glad to belong to new space dwellers, right? Just like we should be glad we once belonged to the space dwellers? Right? RIGHT? I mean, they brought us CIVILIZATION, so it wasn't all that bad. That more than makes up for THE ENTIRETY OF A FUCKING CULTURE DYING.

But oh, you’re a citizen of the GREAT NEW SPACE DWELLERS. You could pass for one, if you TRY REALLY HARD. It’s been hundreds of years. What attachment could you possibly have for ancestors you never met? That’s dumb. WE’RE CIVILIZED NOW. Oh, yeah, of course, Susan, maybe I could have a concrete attachment to them and their culture IF THE SPACE DWELLERS HADN’T FUCKING KILLED THEM. But oh, now we have HD TV and the convenience of a dozen fast foods, so of course, Susan, DEFINITELY worth it and I have absolutely NO RIGHT TO BE MAD. RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO TELL ME?

Anyway, have I ever mentioned I really hate the colonial status of my country? Because I don’t think I’ve mentioned that enough. :)