#because she CAN accept that her ship (swiftgron) is done and over

[jlf23tumble]

Jen, v random but I think you follow the whatiwillsay pod? I was wondering if you had thoughts about their larry ep from a couple of years ago? 

I do follow her on spotify, but I don't always listen (depends what I have in queue, the topic, etc). I *did* listen to that ep, though, and I disagreed with pretty much all of it MAINLY because you can't have it both ways, i.e., you can't say here's all this gryles proof, here's all this swiftgron proof, then dismiss larry or kaylor when it's the exact same amount of evidenceTM. Like, I'm all for reaching, reach away! But when you're matching, then match it! If it's fandom bullshit, call it as such, but where there's that much smoke, there's at least a wee bit of fire!

[whatiwillsay]

girl I don’t understand what your agenda ironically is against swiftgron, but like why do you always shut down any idea suggesting a swiftgron reunion which is definitely not implausible considering they literally were proven to meet up in 2019 at SNL yet you’re willing to acknowledge a potential “poly” relationship/overlap of Lily and Joe which is way more unlikely and totally has no evidence to support. Like I don’t care if you’re open to the poly Taylor theories, but like you make it seem laughable and absurd that dianna could’ve come back into the picture and that you know with certainty that it flat out didn’t happen. Like make it make sense. You make me confused sometimes and I never really completely understand the vibe of this blog. You don’t even have to be pro swiftgron, just be consistent. Why is one theory outlandish and considered absurd and shut down with certainty, yet something else (which in my opinion is more absurd) is accepted and promoted?

because dianna was MARRIED and never seen with taylor!? while lily and joe were following taylor around on tour like pets? seen with her all the time? at her apartment? papped out with her hanging out? and people on taylors professional and social circles have passed along gossip (and it is GOSSIP so take it with a grain of salt) about tily and toe both being a thing while everyone i’ve ever talked to has been like “diannas the nicest person i’ve ever met but yeah winstanna real” dianna was literally following WINSTON around on tour while lily and joe were with taylor.

swiftgron is over. they broke up. they’re never seen together and were confirmed to be dating (and even marrying) other people. could they have had some drunken hook up at some point? sure anything is possible (i’ve done at least two bonus podcast episodes on the theory actually) but that’s not my vibe on the situation and no tea suggests it either.

even if you believe the idea of taylor being casual with the people she was dating so she dated around for a bit “absurd” (which is like a pretty NORMAL thing people do in their 20s btw) it doesn’t equate to a late stage swiftgron hookup. if you don’t like open taylor figuring stuff out then it would be far more reasonable to just conclude the tily tea is bad or the toe tea is bad (which either COULD be) and say she was 100% with lily or 100% with joe. it’s still not very reasonable to be like “she was back w dianna”.

i don’t have an agenda “against” swiftgron. i wrote @swiftgronmasterpost to get people to stop saying saying dianna was a toxic manipulative fuck boy. i have an agenda that is pro reality. reality seems to me that there is no late stage swiftgron. whatever you think about my stance on toe/tily (which i’m still trying to work out myself and come to the most reasonable conclusion for me given all the info i’ve heard + taylor’s music + public info) it has nothing to do with swiftgron.

i have consistently said “swiftgron is over but friendly” for a YEAR now. i don’t know what else you want from me in the form of consistency. like saying “you know taylor probably always has a soft spot for dianna but dianna married a guy and btw bts tea suggests she really was with him (and logic - he doesn’t need pr or a beard) and taylor and dianna have been seen together once since 2014 and taylor really dated all these other people so probably no room for swiftgron to get back together” to me is just as fair as saying “ok i heard info that taylor was with lily and info that she really is with joe and taylor’s last three albums have been jam packed with breakup songs and btw lily is no longer around her ever and maybe went off and had a baby which taylor maybe even references in her music and also jam packed with songs about love triangles and people trying to figure out infidelity/being with multiple people + a few love songs very obviously for joe. maybe she was with both of them? 🤷‍♀️”

anyway you can think whatever you want of tily/toe. i wish it added up better too. i’ve experienced ethical non monogamy though and also just, you know, dated people non exclusively. it’s not that outlandish to say she was seeing both of them for a spell but who knows like i said i’m still trying to figure out what i think. however that has nothing to do with swiftgron and by the way, the most harmful and negative thing i could do for that ship was start Truthering some late stage hook up that has zero evidence to support it.