#because mc right now is just like. incapable of acknowledging that LOL

[skinandscales-if]

I'm a sucker for any kind of shifter-magic in the media. SO If MC is their dragon form for too long, there a possibility of MC getting stuck as a dragon and can't shift back to "normal" form but only temporarily? 📝🧍🎤

(also how would the RO's attempt to help?)

Oooo been a while since we’ve done some lore dives :D let’s get into it

also shifter-magic is so rad I agree friend 🤝

I’ve gone over this to an extent in this older post and the answer is still no, shifters don’t really get ‘stuck’ in either form, but that being said, shifting is an incredibly personal and hard to nail down thing for every individual, and everyone handles it differently. You can decide how exactly you feel your MC aligns with the concept, but inherently, shifting is a very emotional thing. You can embrace it and let it split out of you at any chance, or you can shove it down at every opportunity. This is why some shifters who haven’t practiced otherwise will have small bits of themselves, like claws and fangs, shift on instinct when surprised or frightened.

Gonna go off on a small tangent below the cut, but TLDR: Shifters may have difficulty acclimating back to another form, but no one necessarily gets stuck in a single form, not unless they forgot how to entirely, and even then it’s through instinct.

Despite what MC and larger society thinks, shifting is kind of a silly word for it, because it implies that the person who changes is naturally in one form automatically, when it is a consistent mix of the two. You can’t get stuck in one form as much you couldn’t get stuck in the other. There’s a frame of reference from humans to know how shifters stand out among them with draconic traits, but no full dragons around to compare how shifters deviate in their dragon forms to show human traits.

With this in mind, obviously if you spend too much time in one form or the other, you tend to let a lot of things fall out of practice. Like, for example, a shifter who spends years as a dragon would find it really difficult to walk as a human again because they’re not used to balancing without a tail, and on the other side of that, shifters who have spent years as humans have a really difficult time with spacial awareness in dragon form and often bump into a lot of things due to their increased size.

HOWEVER, I like the scenario :) so here’s how the RO’s would react if MC was stuck in dragon form

Atlas: Freaks out a little and tries to hide MC from others as he tries to figure this out. Breaks down a very specific technique to draw back in on yourself, uses a lot of technical language but it works well once MC can understand it

Puck: Tries to remind MC how to shift and how to control it, offering simple and easy to comprehend advice. Very good at this and surprisingly calming, even if they look uncomfortable the whole while

Skye: A little confused at the idea, but helps nevertheless, offering simple and easy to follow comparisons and ideas. She uses a lot of different techniques, kind of just throwing any and all ideas at the wall, but a few are genuinely helpful

Reese: Doesn’t see the problem and needs a little convincing to help, but eventually offers a few breathing techniques that are meant for anger but work surprisingly well for controlling one’s shifting

[belphegorbillickin]

Honestly, I love Mammon but I'm sick of his sweetness. I see him EVERYWHERE, and it's like the others don't exist. I like it when characters lose their calm you know? Esp that time when we reject Satan's pact, I really liked how he got worked up over such a thing lmao. And of course, most of the ones who tried killing mc had stupid reasons, except for Lucifer imo, but since when did demons make sense?

Alright, sure, they can still be sweet, but imagine if they ACTUALLY were dark characters. Corrupting human souls, selfish desires, blah blah. I'm not saying they can't love mc, ofc they can be sweet and lovable, but that doesn't mean they'd lose their normal habits and quirks. You cannot differentiate between them and normal humans now. The traits that would portray them as demons isn't there.

And perhaps yes, routes would've been fun. Right/wrong answers? Seems legit lmao. But like you said, the characters could've been done so much better.

I liked them at the start, now that I think of it asmo was never really what he seemed to be at the start, but in the recent events to me, at least, he's all but that. Diavolo, Barbatos, they have potential to be dark characters lmao. Asmo too, esp abt Helene, he sure was manipulative. Seeing Satan just be about cats/books upsets me bcuz he's one of my favs, and like you said, I feel he could've been a MUCH better character, plus idk he seems like he could be dark too. Other than beel & mammon, and I really don't know about belphie since he's become pretty sweet now, I feel everyone else could be written as characters with darker, more fitting demon personalities.

Though I love how we can go on about one topic for ages lmao. Lmk if my rambles become too annoying lol – 🍹

Don't worry about it, I really enjoy talking about it and I'm the queen of rambling lol. It's actually kinda hard for me to be concise when it comes to things like this.

And yes! Satan's reaction to rejection was exactly what I was thinking about when I mentioned that. I don't doubt most of the others would've reacted the same either tbh, but the difference between his reason for wanting to kill MC and his brothers' felt very different imo.

I'm kinda repeating myself, but I think people really overlook how cold Asmo was regarding getting MC killed. In that sense I can see how they get along with each other so well. I think I huge part of that is people coming in knowing that they're all gonna love MC and MC can't die so they don't even think about threats or subtle manipulation, but he's one of the most malicious imo since it was so cool-headed and planned.

Kind of like the theories about Barbatos and/or Diavolo purposefully sending you to a traumatic death because executing Belphie would cause the brothers to revolt. (Which I believe to extent btw.) Those four stand out as a lot more demonic imo because they can't be called crimes of passion. I miss the days where they both just casually admitted to taking part in a torture dungeon.

Personally I love the idea of unavoidable demonic corruption. Like the "tragic lovers suffering from fate" trope but where the demon isn't just an innocent victim that can't control it at all and MC doesn't just take it happily without consequences.

I'm not against MC suffering the consequences of a demon boyfriend, far from it, but even if you don't go the direct route there's so many ways to do it.

Even just slowly losing your morals because all the demons (and old-ass human with some most likely odd moral quirks, if only from being alive so long in horrible times) around you treat horrible things as something as mundane as breathing. Even if they snap back at least acknowledging it is a huge step up.

I'd be terrified and paranoid 24/7 knowing everyone around me wants to literally eat me and has eaten humans before. Even if they hated the taste or something knowing they're capable of it is scary af.

Like a Beelzebub who truly doesn't mean to hurt MC but doesn't think twice about breaking their beloved pet's bones right in front of them. A Beelzebub that finds it just as hard to avoid eating humans as he did in the intro even when he knows he shouldn't harm MC's family.

Or even just a Beelzebub so wracked by guilt and light on morals that can't bring himself to not always enthusiastically take Belphie's side even when he knows it's hurting MC. A kind of parasitic relationship where Beel guilts MC into staying and helps Belphie trap & manipulate them in ways Belphie could never do by himself.

A Leviathan that finds it increasingly hard to keep his jealously inwards now that he has someone to fight for and can't feel secure unless he can feel their envy. A Belphegor that slowly manipulates MC into abandoning all of their responsibilities and friends until their life is ruined and they have to depend on him.

I get that some of them are a bit harder to do without reminding people of irl abuse they may have faced, namely Satan, Levi, Lucifer, and ofc Asmo, but there are ways to make it more supernatural and less mundane. Besides there are way, way worse otomes out there that don't even market themselves as dark like Obey Me did.

I find it interesting that so much of the fanbase absolutely hates those kind of themes when they're so hard to avoid in otome and it was kind marketed towards people who like it. Like I genuinely wonder how they heard about it and got through demons insulting & trying to kill them in the early days of Obey Me before you knew they got better.

In the end though none of that can really happen without routes imo. Those kind of storylines can't be done well in the 10 seconds of individual interaction we get, even a whole lesson is too little time. And again even people who like darker things might freak out when Asmo's the one doing it or get turned off by Levi so they won't risk their money. It's so frustrating seeing the lost potential and knowing it's probably never gonna happen.

Speaking of I always thought Mammon was pretty robbed too. Not only did he never have the same freedom to harm MC as the others, but he was also directly responsible for their safety. Like sure they'd all be punished, but you have a different mindset when an authority figure constantly makes you aware and you have more chances to bond.

I think even cannon Mammon would've been more dangerous and a lot more rude if he wasn't their babysitter. The others, except Satan & Belphie ofc, probably would've been "nicer" and more controlled knowing Lucifer was breathing down their neck too imo.

Like he does seem less violent and hot-headed than the others, but they're not the same circumstances. Even a while after the pact he'd probably sell MC in an instant if he knew he wasn't going to be severely punished.

A lot of his possessiveness feels like a dog guarding a bone rather than true jealously imo, even when they're doing it as endearing thing. People automatically assuming he was lying when he said he'd rather MC die than be saved by someone else, but was he really at that point? Just because someone is tsundere at times doesn't mean they're incapable of being honest or not that into someone.

That's also kinda what I meant by infatuation too. Like sure they could like a human, but that doesn't mean they'll be that upset when they die or will never get bored. It's kind of like those people that immediately get a new pet after theirs dies, or even before so they don't have to be without a dog for a single second. Or the kind of demon that wants to "ruin" you with their sin until you can't go on as the ultimate act of love, even though they know it'll kill you.

[chattegeorgiana]

Get your garbage out of the Sasuke tag.

"Like, for as much as I like also Sasuke as a character" stop lying bitch we know you don't. It's blatantly obvious.

"it’s like... the guy took everything that Naruto had - his motivations, the love of his life, the show... everything. Everything was taken and was given to Sasuke."

?????!!!! How did Sasuke took Naruto's motivations? Their motivations were always different. At no point did Sasuke wanted acknowledgement or whatever the fuck Naruto wanted. And you really out here saying Sasuke took "the love of his life" with your whole ass chest? Lmfao. Sakura was the one pursuing Sasuke, not the other way around. Stop acting like Naruto was entitled to get what he wanted just because he was the MC or that he was entitled to get with someone just because he happened to have some feelings for that person. It does not work like that. But then again, this level of entitlement is something you can only see in Naruto and Sakura/Narusaku wankers.

"Sasuke keeps taking, taking, taking and Naruto keeps giving, giving, giving. And the balance in this case isn’t right. It never is." Girl... are you normal? What does naruto keep giving? Last time I checked, Sasuke was the one who risked his life for Naruto, not the other way around. Deadass Sasuke literally sacrificed his goals, motivations, life for naruto against Haku and he was willing to do it again against Gaara.

"Because Naruto worked his ass of for everything while Sasuke went to Orochimaru to cut things short and what? He’s the one who gets it all, while Naruto’s hard work is repaid how? " And you think Sasuke did not work hard when he was with Orochimaru? Do you think he improved his genjutsu/taijutsu/ninjutsu that much and learned swordsmanship, as well as creating numerous tehniques by snapping his fingers and doing nothing???? Sasuke was shown to be an incredibly hardworking person ever since he was a child, his databook hobby is literally TRAINING and let me remind you that one of Orochimaru's training sessions literally involved Sasuke fighting against countless people, and you think Sasuke had it easy compared to Naruto??? You think him going to Orochimaru "cut things short"???? Bitch sit your ass down. Naruto is the one who does literally the bare minimum yet he gets 353423 power ups at once. He unlocks Kurama mode? Oh would you look at that, he's now one of the fastest ninja, despite his speed being otherwise mediocre, he's now good at taijutsu, and he also gets additional strenght and his jutsus are significantly boosted. And all he had to do for that was tnj Kurama with Kushina and Bee's help. Basically gaining access to KCM was one hell of a frickin shortcut for Naruto to make up for all of his previous weaknesses. Without Kurama, he would've had to train years to get that speed, he would've had to train years to get that level of taijutsu and strenght yet Kurama makes up for all of it. In Shippuden Naruto's just handed ridiculous power up after power up and his garbage fanboys and fangirls be out here talking shit about Sasuke when this Naruti fucker was even given the ability to fly and restore people's eye and heal them without doing jackshit at one point in the manga? Girl sit you ass down and stop spewing shit.

"What message is this in the end? That in this world the only way you will make it is by cutting roads, taking shortcuts and ‘cheating’?" If Sasuke is "cutting roads, taking shortcuts and "cheating" then so is your precious naruto, even more so than Sasuke.

Don't you ever put your crap in the sasuke tags. We don't wanna see garbage in these tags. Narusaku wankers like you better keep his name out of your mouths and sit in your fucking lane. Even better. Deactivate and find other purpose in life than bitching about your trash ship not becoming canon. Cringey, corney ass cunt. This is literally the first ask of this type that I'm ever sending cuz god bless it's hard as hell to get me this heated, but your corny, stupid ass somehow pulled it off. Congrats.

I pondered over whether I should reply to you or not. And decided to do it, because unlike you, I recognize the fact that you are entitled to have an opinion.

Ya know, like I do, too. But unlike you, I won't start calling you names, you see. Because dear God, although yes I am a Sakura and NaruSaku fan, doesn't mean I leave my brain at the entrance. One that unlike you, also knows that my favorite character(s)/pairings also have flaws. So whenever people have an opinion I disagree with, I just leave them be.

Instead of ya know, going into people's inboxes and acting like you did.

Like wow, doe... Take it easy. You think that if you came into my inbox and spewed all this wall of text filled with insults you're a better person or what?

You gotta learn in life that yes, people have different opinion than yours dude or dudette, whatever you are. And you know what? You're gonna have to learn to live with them, like it or not, cuz you don't live in a vacuum space.

Excuse me but since when someone dictates me what I am and what I am not? I didn't know I require your permission to be a fan of Sasuke in a certain way otherwise I shouldn't be called a fan.

You just saw a post here, read some few questions here and there and placed your judgement that oh, all I am is a stupid Sakura/NaruSaku fans who thinks like this just because of my ship. Well, news flash: I can separate my liking of a certain thing and analyze things outside of that. You know why?

Because I don't take things personally like you seemed to have done here. Yes, I have my opinions and I stand by them. But that doesn't mean that I can't judge things outside of those opinions.

I don't know with what kind of thinking and people you are accustomed to, but you've got me wrong here.

Everyone who is here along me for the years I've been on Tumblr (and elsewhere) knows that I've always said I have a love-hate relationship with Sasuke.

I hate some of the things he does (more like HOW he goes about them), while I LOVE how he's the one who truly challenges the status quo present in Naruto world.

But aah, here you are, coming into my inbox, telling me what I am and what I'm not. Chill yer self, will ya? I know very well who I am, I don't need your incapable of having a decent discussion self to tell me who I am.

Now to address your points

How did Sasuke take Naruto's motivations? Oooh, then you might've missed him wanting to become Hokage, which was Naruto's dream since this god forsaken story began.

THAT IS HOW.

Naruto journey was about 3 major things: acknoweldgement, Hokage and getting Sakura.

Minus the acknowledgement thing (which gets weaved with the bringing Sasuke plot along with the Hokage one), the other two are transferred to Sasuke.

Irrespective of Sasuke wanting those things or not. Because ya know, as I said, everything was taken and was given to Sasuke.

Which, I'm sorry but it's true. Sasuke's major plot and defining moment ended-up when he killed Itachi, so from there on Kishimoto needed to think about something for him.

Hell, Kishimoto himself admitted that he didn't know what to do with Sasuke in the Kobayashi interview, dude. Like chill your goddamn self.

Not to mention along the years he spoke about how Sasuke and Kakashi's popularities grew more than he envisioned. Hell, at some point the man purposely cut out Kakashi from the story because he was getting more popular than Naruto, so really, what are you getting pressed about?

For speaking about a valid critique of how things happened? Kishimoto ended-up giving to Sasuke what we all followed Naruto for.

And you say that he didn't give him Naruto's motivations? LOL MAY I REMIND YOU that Sasuke's POV in the last chapter is really similar to Naruto's? Him wanting to reach Naruto the same way Naruto wanted to reach him, him being envious of Naruto the same way Naruto was envious of him, though Naruto's envy and Sasuke's are so different in nuance.

As for Sasuke's skills... dude, I'm sorry but Sasuke's WHOLE arc was about searching power from Orochimaru. Which I am sorry BUT IT WAS CUTTING SHORT because ya know, the cursed seal??

Like I'm sorry but Naruto's Kurama power was a handicap to him until he had to train with Bee, so give me a break here.

I'm not taking away from the fact that Sasuke trained as well, far away from that. But as it's true that he trained, it's ALSO true that he cut things hort.

Him going to Orochimaru is the point to that whole thing. That's the whole plot point of him going to Orochimaru.

Ya know, cuz that's how darkness as a motif works in a story my dear.

It gives you power easily (AND SASUKE HIMSELF ADMITS IT TO SAKURA when he leaves the village that he is NOT like them aka Naruto and Sakura). Granted, there's always a reason behind darkness offering you that power and Orochimaru's was that he wanted Sasuke's body. That's THE WHOLE REASON Naruto and Sakura wanted to bring him back to the village??? Because in his quest for power he's losing himself.

But it doesn't retract from the fact that Sasuke DID do that. Hello, remember how he had to eat that pill to "die" once and then BOOM MAGICALLY level 2 curse?

Like don't give me that crap that Sasuke is a hard worker cuz it's not true. He's a talented one, I give you that. But NOT a hard worker.

There's a slight difference in nuance here. The motif of natural talent vs hard work has always been prevalent in this story. Guess on which side of the spectrum Sasuke was?

The one who always had to train more was Naruto because I don't know if your angry self absorbed self remembers, but having Kurama functioned as an impediment to Naruto rather than something helpful.

The fact that he FINALLY got to utilize Kurama's power-ups (which should be looked as a reward system after functioning as an impediment in the story), I'm sorry but it's not like he snapped a finger and went there and magically got it? No, my dear. He had to undergo training!

Not to mention, that wasn't the only power-up that Naruto got. Mind I remind you of Sage arts? The one he learned once again, by training hard?

Meanwhile Sasuke got his power-up because Itachi left behind his eyes. Then again we see Hashirama in the war arc giving him his chakra, and then again we have Hagoromo who gives him the seal. But that one is out of the equation because Naruto got it handed to him the same way Sasuke did.

So, like it or not, by the virtue of how the story was developed and the motifs it uses, Sasuke is the one who uses shortcuts, abandons his comrades and gets things handed to him.

While Naruto is the one who works hard because unlike Sasuke, he's not the talented Uchiha genius. His only talent is the fact that he is able to relate to people in more ways than one, unlike Sasuke.

Like dude, that's the story's premise ffs.

The fact that you don't like it, well, that's another issue. You're free not to, of course.

But you coming here in my inbox and insulting me isn't going to change the reality of those facts.

As for blaming it all on me for YOUR OWN actions, well, isn't that juicy?

I didn't make you come to my inbox and write these insults, did I?

You had so many other choices: come to my inbox and NICELY ask me to take it out because you see it as offensive to the Sasuke tag, IGNORE IT and move past it like I so do with so many things I see in the tags of the characters I like, or simply come and tell me that dude, I consider that you're wrong because this, this and that.

But no, instead you came here, wrote all this long ass ask, used foul language and you wanna make me the bad guy in this whole story because I dare to have an opinion?

Sure Jan, whatever rocks your boat and helps you sleep at night.

As for the last part, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but I won't do any of the things you said I should.

You're not the first, nor the last person who comes into my inbox spewing hate. I've been doing this for 10 years now.

You're not the first and probably not the last either, like I said. But let me tell you one thing: I don't care.

You hold no power over me and what I do on the internet.

So you can either accept that and move on with your life or keep continue acting all hateful like your fave used to do in his teen years.

Ain't gonna stop me from being me.

Like I said... This is the internet, my friend. You have no power over me.

Sayonara!