#because i think kalos unova and alola had the most interesting lore in the series

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I'm curious about pokemon theories now. I've never actually heard any of them lol

Well, you’ve got a whole range of quality just like in any fandom (though I find that a lot are uh... the product of people who didn’t read the lore)

There’s some that I do really like. Some like “Ariana is Silver’s Mom” (for context, Silver, the rival in the Johto games is Giovanni, the boss of Team Rocket’s son with an unknown mother. Ariana is a high ranking Team Rocket admin with very similar hair to Silver)

A very popular one is “Ditto is a failed clone of Mew,” which I also like even if it gets more unlikely every generation

Ditto, an uncommon Pokemon whose only ability is to transform into other Pokemon, has the same weight as the legendary ancestor of all Pokemon, Mew

It has a similar color scheme to Mew in both standard and shiny appearances

Both have perfectly even stat distributions (Ditto is all 48s while Mew is all 100s.)

Not to mention that both are the only Pokemon in existence that can learn Transform naturally, a move not even available to Mew’s canon clone

In the Kanto games, Ditto are only found in the lab where Mew was cloned

The biggest hiccup with this one is that Ditto can be found in the wild in every region, completely divorced from any lore

So there’s some decent stuff. But the bad ones, at least to me, are really bad

One that drives me absolutely insane is “The Unova War (from Black/White’s backstory EXPLICITLY STATED TO BE A CIVIL WAR) is the same was as the Kalos War (from X/Y’s backstory, EXPLICITLY STATED TO HAVE BEEN AGAINST FOREIGN REGIONS)” with special attention drawn to both:

People using the statues of the Unova Legendaries in Kalos’s Parfum Palace as proof that there’s a connection between the two, despite Parfum Palace only being 300 years old while the Kalos war was 3000 years ago and, ergo, not proof that Kalos had anything to do with Unova during the time the war actually happened

People making the claim that the desert in Unova was the impact site for the giant laser Kalos’s king fired during the war, despite the MASSIVE, PERFECTLY CIRCULAR DESERT BADLANDS IN KALOS being the place where you meet that very king

And almost none of those theories even mention the fact that Kalos is the Pokemon world’s version of France while Unova is their version of New York, and the games seem to have our level of technology. So how, exactly, did the king of France stage a war with New York with the technology of maybe slightly more advanced than 1000 BC? This is something that needs ironing out, people!

I’d go on more about the inconsistencies, but Reddit user CountScarlioni did basically a perfect breakdown in the comments of this [x] thread, to the point where I don’t have anything to add

Though the absolute worst Pokemon theory I’ve ever seen was “Lysandre (villain of the Kalos aka Pokemon France games) is the father of Lusamine (villain of the Alola aka Pokemon Hawaii games).” I’m linking the video but it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

Just the idea that Lusamine, who is canonically over 40 years old, being the daughter of Lysandre, who is stated to have been Professor Sycamore’s (who was explicitly stated to be a pretty young professor) student and peer, whose games of debut take place two years apart, is absolutely absurd

The justification for this point is “Lysandre is the descendant of AZ’s brother, and AZ is immortal, so Lysandre inherited that immortality or at least slow aging!” Which, first of all, AZ became immortal due to radiation from his weapon. That’s not something he can pass on to his brother’s descendant, especially when his brother was not there when the weapon was fired. And, second of all, AZ’s immortality was explicitly the “Age Without Youth” variety, i.e. he still aged up until he was physically elderly and then seemed to stop

One of the pieces of evidence is, and I’m not joking, “Lusamine’s family’s clothes look French to me so they could be from Poke-France.” What??? Most Pokemon regions have similar clothing styles! Not to mention that most of her family’s names are German in origin. Which is close to France, but still more concrete than what this guy said!

Not to mention that his proposition of “they have similar motives since they’re both obsessed with beauty, therefore it was something Lysandre drilled into her as a child” is... totally wrong. They were both obsessed with beauty and control, but took it in totally opposite directions. And it’s a bit of a spit in the face to Lusamine’s story since the Alola games are so much about her children breaking free of her abuse (which, at least in Sun and Moon, is OUTRIGHT stated to have gone from “a little smothering” to outright domestic abuse when Lusamine lost her husband and came into contact with extradimensional aliens)

I just... don’t know how someone with such a shallow reading of the material can act like they’re exposing some hidden secrets with such confidence. Or how some people can just eat it up

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Ok I may be still on an adrenaline high from today's present (even after a nap) BUT I made a post stating how if Pokemon Legends becomes it own series ( given how there's a ":" in between Legends and Arceus, implying to me that they're could be more), it would be a great opportunity for Gamefreak to go back to legendary lore, my main example being the Tao trio, and the possibility of seeing their true form ( the complete dragon)

Then I thought back to you and SwSh and went " wait, didn't Galar have some gaps in the history of Galar? Specifically with the wolves? " And I got excited again because the possibility of getting the aftermath of The Darkest Day, or before it. Whichever either shows the wolves as who they truly are OR make history more complicated ( equally as interesting).

Again this is all under the possibility that Pokemon Legends : Arceus isn't a stand-alone, which may not be the case but eh, let me speculate. I feel like it would be great for the Pokemon lore and context for some legendary Pokemon/ people of the Legends( like AZ or whoever was able to talk to Pokemon first for some N lore)

But yeah that's that. Sorry if this is so long, and I can't wait to here your thoughts!

Hi there ihopethisendswell! First off, please don’t ever apologize for sending me long asks or any type of ask really. Getting notifications in my inbox always make my day!

Second...the Legends trailer made my entire year for Pokemon. I mean I know it’s coming out in 2022 but that’s what I’m most excited for! Pokemon Legends: Arceus is dream come true for someone like me who enjoys lore and worldbuilding which is what this game seems to be promising. My favorite thing about Sinnoh has to be the lore that was introduced. From the presence of aura to the creation trio mythology this was the start of Pokemon really diving deeper into the lore. 

You and I are on the same page about the Tao trio and the original dragon. I’ve had many conversations over the past 24 hours about the implications of possibly seeing what it looks like. I know this blog absolutely dominated by SwSh but I’m an OG Gen 5 stan (as in having to defend it from people calling it the death of the franchise like how Gen 8 is being treated now). I’ve always been interested in the legendaries of Gen 5 and how they may have interacted with the humans back in ancient Unova. So much potential for not only the original dragon, but to learn more about Victini, the swords of justice and their distrust of humans, and the forces of nature as well!

And yes Galar definitely deserves a legends game. A medieval or even more ancient Galar is just ripe for lore exploration. One of my main criticisms of SwSh is how they tease so much but don’t go into detail, particularly with lore. Like there is so much potential there to learn about Zacian and Zamazenta and how they came across the rusted sword and shield. There’s also theories I’ve seen about how Spectrier and Glastrier could’ve been actually a single horse that Calyrex once rode and I’d love to see if that was truly the case or not. Plus there’s also potential for the origins of the Galar gym challenge to be shown in Pokemon Legends 

I also think of Kalos and how we can finally get some Zygarde lore. Zygarde is probably my favorite legendary of the newer generations and I was so hoping for a Pokemon Z and...my heart is still broken. Honestly Alola could really benefit from the legends game. I’m very vocal about my displeasure of the unique culture of Alola getting shafted hard in SM/USUM for other plots (especially when those plots could’ve been integrated better into the broader Alolan culture), so a chance to see an Alola that really centers the island challenge, the rituals of being kahuna or trial captain would be extremely cool to see. Hoenn, especially if we go with ORAS lore would be cool to see in a legends game, and we could get more information on the Draconids and the ancient Sootopolitans. Johto could give us insight of pre-burnt tower and see what the Pokemon were that would eventually be revived in to the beast trio. And Kanto honestly needs some ancient lore too.

Honestly, I’m really hoping the Legends does well. I think it’s a great step forward in the franchise and I want to see more games like this. The worldbuilding and lore potential is what has kept me a fan of Pokemon for years, and I’m glad there finally really looking to give that lore the attention it deserves!