#avsc watch

[twochildreninamoteldemo]

Hi Maven!! Same q to everyone this week: what are your top 3 wincest episodes, and why?

ok im gonna cheat and do this in 2 ways hehe

a) top 3 sam/dean episodes

3. A Very Supernatural Christmas: has the samulet (their engagement ring, obviously!), you can palpably feel the isolation, the neglect, it's very two-children-in-a-motel-esque. and of course, the final scene, where i think, if there was any point in the series aside from the barn scene in which they would have said "i love you," it would have been there. the deep long stare, the watery eyes, the fact that they both know dean will be gone within the year, and then... "do you feel like watching the game?" ahhhhhhh drives me nuts

2. Swan Song: their love literally!!!!! saves the world, i mean come on. it has the whole wincest montage that you could literally set a richard siken poem to, or a taylor swift song to (look i know those are vastly different things but. bear with me), and it would just feel right. dean finally lets sam do things on his own. he lives because sam tells him to. sam manages to revoke his possession consent because of how much he's in love with dean, even as his fist is smashing dean's face into a pulp. ok i have to stop or i'm going to start crying in this goddamn airport.

Playthings: obviously. gothic horror episode of all time. picture-perfect family in the outside, secret sibling hidden upstairs. the way sam and dean's codependency is paired with that of the grandmother and her ghostly sister. the face-stroking. the almost kiss. god i swear it always looks like they're gonna kiss. sam writhing on the bed. dean staring at him like that. the subtext was about to bust through the screen, what with the acting and the way the plot and the meta-plot fit together perfectly. catherine tosenberger said it much better than i can, go read her article in TWC about wincest if you haven't!

b) top 3 family-horror-what-the-incestuous-freudian-fuck-is-going-on-here episodes

2. Devil's Trap: azazel uses john's body in a sexual manner against both sam and dean--primarily the latter but sam gets it, too. it's a chilling scene and really cements that this is what spn is about: never being able to escape the family. sam learns partly of azazel's plot, dean gets his daddy issues flayed onto him, and all through the eyes of the father. it's so well done.

3. Skin: imo the most damning thing the shifter says is, "i will be sorry to lose this skin. your brother's got a lot of great qualities. you should appreciate him more than you do." uh...what? the way he ties up sam and plans on torturing him also aligns with the shifter's pattern of turning into the husband and beating up the wife. another HMM moment actually comes from dean himself, when he tells sam that none of his friends will ever understand him and that dean's the only one who can...it's very isolating, kind of abuser tactics, and just. whew. this was episode SIX!!

In the Beginning: come on you knew i was gonna say this. aside from the obvious moments of "mom is a babe" (and remember, dean invokes sam into this moment as well..."sammy, wherever you are..."), samuel!azazel leaning over dean and smelling him, and samuel!azazel kissing mary--passionately returned(?), may i add, the plot itself sets up the winchester family as this enclosed, inbred unit. mary's kiss with her possessed father seal's sam's fate as part of azazel's army. the sexuality she shares with her father makes her son's blood diseased and cursed. the family line is tainted by incest. her kiss is what allows sam and dean to grow up that way, to become so codependent, what allows the moments of avsc, swan song, and playthings to happen! in the beginning. this begins the cycle of selling and saving souls--mary for john, john for dean, dean for sam. it's literally THEE spn episode, perhaps even more than playthings. even though sam's barely in it, his fate hangs over the whole episode, and this is full house of wincest at its finest.

[mpregspn]

did finally watch avsc yesterday and man the hold sam has on me. the gravitational pull he creates on the screen. larger than life

[soulsam]

wait lrb the op has proship dni in their bio do you think they will want to spite the wincesties telling them not to skip avsc.

actually if they do then good riddance they don't deserve avsc. one of the wincest episodes OF ALL TIME.

anyway. non spn followers and mutuals. if you ever watch spn (and don't listen to the jokes, YOU SHOULD), do NOT skip season 3 episode 8 "a very supernatural christmas." in fact, watch it three times. it's just that good

[pregnancykink]

top 5 wincest moments go

Aaaaaaaa ok

- Dean making the deal in AHBL, a classic

- the end of AVSC where they’re watching the game together is SO…clenches fist

- in swan song where Lucifer!Sam is beating Dean up and Dean keeps going “I’m right here Sammy, I’m not gonna leave you” or whatever he says. I weep

- gotta be that handfasting marriage ceremony in Sacrifice

- Sam’s “don’t think that there is anything I’d ever put before you”

[passengerseatsam]

omg in the tags of that avsc post WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CAROLING SCENE...I cringe SO HARD every time I watch it I have to take my headphones off I am so glad I am not alone in that

yes omg I didn't want to put spoilers on that post but 😭 scott's tots-level cringe. I have to put it on mute or I will disintegrate.

[magamasubitu]

ok so

sooomewhere on tumblr i saw someone mention being of the opinion [x character] is dayman

and i thought why not add my 2 cents to this bottomless pit of a website

so basically, this post is abt the dayman and the nightman so like beware bc yk (if u dont, 1 - y r u even reading this?, 2 - go watch iasip)

also idk shit abt psychology n all that stuff sooo

(and like i went to the fandom wiki to look up the lyrics bc its easier seeing all the words in front of u, but accidentally read a bit of the article and yea some of the stuff m gonna mention is on the fandom wiki alr so like totally unoriginal ideas of mine but whatevs)

so basic info

the nightman:

- charlie clearly has conflicting feelings "i think i love you", "you make me wanna die", etc (SDDARP)

- this whole thing: "every night you come into my room and pin me down and i try to fight you", "i can't fight you, man", etc (SDDARP)

- oddly, the only real description of the nightman is "it's just two men" (aka nightman is a, well, man) and "strong arms", "sexy hands" (SDDARP)

- wants charlies soul??? "at last the boy's soul is mine!" (TNC)

- likes them sleeping "he's sleeping right over there! just the way you like 'em!" (TNC)

the dayman:

- fights the nightman "fighter of the nightman" (SDDARP & TNC)

- is (at least partly) charlie "i fought the nightman, lived as dayman" (TNC)

- "champion of the sun", "master of [...] friendship for everyone" (SDDARP & TNC): these parts were added by dennis in SDDARP but stayed in the song (so idk whether to count them or not)

- "master of karate" (SDDARP & TNC)

my interpretation is that the dayman and nightman are embodiments of things affecting charlie, like dayman would be [x] affecting charlie, nightman would be [z] affecting charlie (tho i will be referring to [x] as dayman and [z] as nightman)

before that, info on characters

uncle jack:

- unusual obsession with his hands (DGD, GFT:SH, etc)

- shared a room with charlie for a while, "wresteled" and charlie supposedly stayed awake the whole night during that time (TGR)

- touchy toward charlie, makes him uncomfortable (TGR, DGD, MVP:TTOTC, OLH:ASC, etc)

- weird about kids (DGD, GFT:SH)

mac:

- thinks he can do karate, charlie admits to thinking otherwise (MAC:WT; PP:TWBIP)

- childhood friends with charlie (AVSC, etc), officially BFFs since MBTW

- was supposed to play the dayman in the play (TNC)

- kicked charlie out of the band (i swear this is relevant; SDDARP)

dennis:

- officially BFFs with charlie since MBTW

- was supposed to play the nightman in the play, although supposedly to avoid the kiss scene with dee (TNC)

- came to team up with charlie after also getting kicked outta the band, wrote the dayman song with him right afterwards (SDDARP)

now, the whole "uncle jack is the nightman" thing is nth new but i do wanna point at the hand thing:

uncle jack is very uh what do i call this? self conscious? embarrassed? abt his "small hands"

and yet the nightman explicitly has "strong arms" & "sexy hands"

so i see 3 possibilities

1) a warped view bc charlie was young and yk everythin seems bigger when ure smaller

2) uncle jack was obsessively muttering how comparably to a small charlie the hands look big n manly and whatever else

3) charlie subconsciously tried to detach uncle jack from the nightman and went for the one noticeable thing abt his uncle and inverted it on the nightman, thus making it seem impossible for them to be the same person

again, i have no clue abt anything brain related so this is just a local dumbass rambling (also it might b a mix of em or smth completely different ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

now, for dayman:

lets explore if one of charlies BFFs could b dayman

mac:

karate might be referring to him, childhood friends so he was probly there for charlie (whether he knew abt it or not), he was cast as the dayman (tho changed it himself to nightman), dennis was gonna b the nightman

dennis:

was also friends (ig) with charlie in high school (never stated *when* the "growing up & fightin the nightman" thing happened), he was cast as nightman to avoid the kiss, cheered charlie up after mac kicked them both outta the band (whether dennis intended to or not), they wrote the dayman song together

it might be both, it might be neither

so what if its someone (or smth) else?

lets see...if "dayman" helped fight the nightman (as in: the effect it had on charlie) then isnt the dayman...a coping mechanism?

(ONCE AGAIN, IDK SHIT ABT BRAINS)

and if dayman is a coping mechanism that helps fend off the nightman...

well, what does charlie do when he is not coping well with smth?

- he has a bad room in the bar where he breaks shit (TGGHH), he bit a mall santa after the revelation of what his mum was up to on christmases (in CGM mac says when charlie got excited his face would turn purple n hed start biting things; AVSC), etc

- he gets high, a lot...literally in the eps where he writes the damn song he goes home n huffs spray paint (SDDARP)

i cant think of more atm but like yea

and as a kid, did he have an outlet for his violence? yes, he threw rocks at shit and whatever else (AVSC, etc)

did he have access to stuff that could get him high? yes, he was literally huffin glue in AVSC as. a. child.

now, as for the karate, friendship, champion of sun stuff

champion of the sun: metaphors, people, metaphors; also just the scene in SDDARP where charlie is all negative, dennis comes in & lets the daylight in, all of a sudden charlie is more positive

karate & friendship: charlie thinks karate is cool, he maybe thought it would b awesome to make dayman do karate; or he took a look at his friends (n probably support system) and was like damn they make me not feel that bad and included master of karate bc mac (idk y no dennis, maybe bc childhood friends, maybe bc karate = fighting, maybe bc whats more badass than karate?)

so all in all, my conclusion is dayman is just all his coping mechanisms & support system rolled into one badass personification

[cockworkangels]

hey. ummmm. what if i just passed away right now

[filthyjanuary]

me n elaine watching 1x06 skin

dean: [goes over to the shifter corpse to get what’s his]

elaine: oh intriguing

me, about to start crying: that’s the s-samulet you’ll learn about it later

[digitalmeowmix]

According to the poll results the AVSC watch party will be on December 19th at 8pm EST!

I will be available for a showing afterwards as well if a later time works. better for you,Just DM me!

We will be watching here.

@craftablegame @eroticallycodependents @alwaysthrowsscissors @brotherlyloving @babygorlsam @addictsam @thelegendofwinchester

[softlimefluff]

AVSC 17: santa

“I’m not wearing that…”

“But it’s for all the wholesome boys and girls~” I grinned—a little inside joke between us.

A roll of his eyes and crossed arms, staring down the terrible, tacky Santa suit.

“I wish they had told me before I got here… I could have at least put together an outfit instead of being forced to wear THIS.”

“It’s only for a few minutes… I could always run home and get you a new outfit…”

Another sigh and uncrossing his arms.

“There’s no time. It’s definitely awful… But I guess I’ll have to put it on… Give it here.”

Even just touching it made Rohan cringe, the rough polyester fake fur an insult to fashion itself. 

“I may have to Heaven’s Door myself into wearing this, ugh…”

“C’mere…” I gave Rohan a slow kiss, holding his face. “I’ll help~”

Back here in the empty office, I helped Rohan strip, laying his clothes on the chair so they didn’t get ruined, until he was all boxers and bare skin. He quickly slipped into the pants, shuddering, and I buttoned the jacket. 

“I need an undershirt, this is awful… I can’t even focus…”

Under my sweater, I had on a graphic tee I could lend him. Making a quick decision, I removed my sweater and shirt, handing it over to Rohan as I stood in my bra.

“Here. Use mine…” 

Distracted for a moment, he nodded, cheeks flushed, and slipped it on as I replaced my sweater. Just as we both were covered again, Rohan’s editor burst through the door.

“All ready, Mister Kishibe?? They’re waiting for you.”

“Yes, yes. Just a moment. I’ll be right out.”

Shutting the door once more, the editor left to work the crowd. Grabbing up the Santa hat, I removed Rohan’s headband and replaced it with the bright red and white toque. Slipping his headband on myself, I grinned, pulling him in for one last kiss.

“You’re gonna be perfect, babe. Knock em dead out there~”

“You’ll be out there with me, right?”

“Waiting at the back and watching the whole time~”

Ne nodded, stealing another kiss and reassuring himself.

“It’s for the kids…”

“For the kids… I love you. Get out there.”

With a little nod, Rohan opened the office door to find his editor and the waiting crowd. 

As I followed him out and watched him interacting with the crowd, I was so proud. Deep down, his heart was always for his readers. He was so kind, especially to the kids. My heart melted as a little girl gave him a huge hug and asked for a picture. 

I was even more in love with him than ever.

[purgatorybfs]

technically the 26th in italy but i will watch avsc :)

[cockworkangels]

:]

[cockworkangels]

get their asses bobby

[cockworkangels]

i’m literally going to die

[cockworkangels]

ksgsksghs they don’t even swear in this show

[cockworkangels]

that’s what the lore says.