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do you ever feel like you're being gaslit when armys (and some jkkrs that try to appeal to armys) talk about how "it only seems like the fandom doesn't support jkk's bond the way jkkrs do, because shippers are in a sub-fandom and an echo chamber"?
a few of armys correct a solo whose main objective was to separate jk from bts via his solo career (wanting him to be out while everyone else is enlisted), establish that jk doesn’t have anyone in the group to lean on/trust (“he’s alone in the military” lies), portray jk’s friends (especially his idol ones) as better/closer to him than bts, and overall make jk out to be a company puppet, and deem that “defending jkk’s bond”....
these people do not care about jkk outside of upholding the “bts love eo” narrative. it’s clear when while talking about jkk enlisting together, they’re always mentioning bts, jkk being family/brothers, and even used taejoon enlisting the day to prove bts' bond.
they’ve asked tkkrs for help to "debunk" rumors and have engaged with jm/jk/jkk antis too much for me to genuinely believe they care about jkk (as a duo or individuals).
people are not allowed to write jimin and jk’s names in the same sentence, use pictures of them (even as a meme), call out tkkr friendly “OT7s” who were following and/or engaging with vile antis (and then gets portrayed by other OT7s as being reported for mentioning taekook), point out the fact that 'are you sure' is jkk’s show only and that th was a guest, and SO MUCH MORE.
i’m not going to forget that there were more people happy about th and nj simply enlisting on the same day than jkk enlisting TOGETHER as companions, or how OT7s were crying about "how could they separate them" for every other duo, when they (1) haven't shown love for nor mentioned jkk being together as companions (2) ignore that the THEY in question that is "separating members" is jkk themselves, and (3) are only able to "respect"/mention jkk’s bond through overly sexual jokes and weird ass OT7ifying.
jkkrs showing genuine times that armys (non shipping, OT7 obsessed, non toxic) have downplayed, ignored, or even for some reason hated on jkk’s bond is “focusing on shipping too much”, when these people have legitimately said jkk were doing contractual fanservice and are being used by the company for money….
the difference with tkkrs running around claiming “everyone hates tk” is that not only is that statement false, but it’s a direct cover up response to them being called out for lying and being vile. meanwhile jkkrs are just calling out armys that interact with jm and jk antis, tkkrs, and shipping content while saying that they (armys) don’t like shippers/shipping content, or are spreading misinformation and narratives that were started by tkkrs.
lies and misconceptions about jkk’s bond are still prevent in this fandom and are used most times because (1) they're downplaying jk’s bond with jm to prove he’s “in love”/closer with another member (i’d name certain ones, but atp, take your pick) (2) they're upset/jealous over how their ship doesn't act like jkk (3) they're homophobic (4) they're a solo or anti (5) they're a jealous y/n (6) they’re a fan that is obsessed with parenting/managing their bias.
they claim it’s jkkrs complaining about something that armys have “never seen or even heard about” or something taken “completely out of context”. but armys haven’t heard about ‘are you sure’ (outside of jeju episodes ofc)? armys haven’t heard about companion enlistment? armys haven’t heard about gcf, especially gcft? armys haven’t watched jk’s lives? armys haven’t read jkk’s weverse posts? armys haven’t listened to ANY of the members speak about jkk together? armys haven’t watched 90% of bts’ content? armys haven’t been to/watched any bts concerts?
maybe armys shouldn’t be speaking at all then….
“taken out of context”
and yet when it’s put into context and they find that they don’t have an legit argument for why 90% of this fandom ignores jkk’s bond, hypes up jk and jm with LITERALLY ANYONE but each other, and interacts with vile antis, they get mad at jkkrs for being “shippers” and start ranting about bts loving each other and being brothers, and if they are tkkr friendly, they start dragging jkk’s bond using tk hanging out in solo era.
“the fandom supported ays, my tl looked like the jkk tag”
their tl had people micro analyzing every little thing to demonize jimin and jk and degrade their bond completely? 💀💀
jokes aside…
did they miss people boycotting it, calling the us episodes boring, being silent until th was announced as a guest for jeju, talking more about the phone calls with taegi than the two hours of new jkk content, and claiming hybe chose the wrong members for the show?
have they missed armys wanting other members to do ‘are you sure’ while jm and jk were enlisted or dismissing the fact that jk said he wants the two of them (jkk only) to do this for a long time, and him repeatedly saying th was a guest and was the LAST one?
also claiming that the ONLY issue is tkkrs and not other shippers or armys is genuinely insane!
cause i remember armys and vmns harassing jkkrs over vmn hugging during sj’s military discharge and claiming that jkkrs were jealous because they (jkkers) without mentioning any other members or down playing other bonds, found it cute that jkk were standing next to each other despite being with each other for months at the time.
cause i remember how armys and nmkkrs were getting upset at jkkrs for calling out a weird edit one of them made about jk hating on jm for being with nj and stealing him from jimin, or even how the whole “jk is a minimoni anti” joke that was started by a jkkr because of the way jk acts about jm mentioning/complimenting nj (because jk likes jm), but it got stolen and twisted, and now mentioning it actually being about jm not nj, or even suggesting “jk wants them both” gets you attacked.
cause i remember armys constantly down playing jkk’s bond by using the “jh is #1 to jm” joke nj made to tease jk at the 2022 festa dinner, even though BOTH jh and jm corrected it and "explained themselves" TO JK….
cause i remember armys and nmkkrs hyping up jk changing the colors for nj in gcfh as the “most romantic/gayest love confession”, but ignoring that he did a similar thing (and honestly more blatantly imo) for jm in the SAME VIDEO, or that gcfsp or GCFT exist. and attacking jkkers who, without attacking nj or nmkk’s bond, pointed that out.
cause i remember armys making jk watching jm content for over an hour about bts, and jk "missing bts" and being an “army" too
cause i remember armys making hundreds of weird overly sexual jokes about the members in the military, yet harassing jkkrs for simply being happy that jkk weren’t going to be alone.
cause i remember armys speculating every time a member breathed in 2023 that jm would enlist next alone or with a member (never jk though...), but were silent about jkk’s enlistment.
why are there little to no jkk moments in armys’ threads?
why are armys complaining about jkk being together in so much bts content?
why are some army translators making sure to explain what dongsaeng means (or not fully explain that it just means close younger person) when jimin says it, but not for other members to jk/other younger members? or not doing the same for hyung?
why are there translators that are not korean going around spreading mistranslations and misinformation that follows tkkrs' cult shipping narratives and leads to vile jm/jkk hate trains, that are still allowed within the fandom and used by armys to "debunk" jkk's bond?
no one is saying you have to think jimin and jk are fucking lol
just acknowledge that they’re close and don’t hate each other ✌️
I always feel like this fandom is trying to gaslight me about something lmao
I was actually just thinking about how ARMY’s increasingly weird attitude toward Jikook is probably symptomatic of their increasingly weird attitude toward a lot of things in CH2 (& Jikook leveling up during all of this mess lol). It’s like these days you’re more likely to find a bad take from this fandom than a good one so I’m not exactly surprised it’s the same with Jikook. I think the increased parasocial entitlement might have a lot to do with it too?
I don’t think that Twitter is representative of the entire fandom or anything. There’s a lot of normal fans out there who just aren’t as chronically online or engaged in main fandom spaces. The average ARMY imo absolutely does love (or at least is normal about) Jikook. But in the main fandom spaces? … yeah.
Actually going to just put my response under the cut because it’s stupidly long lol
As far as the gaslighting, to give a serious answer on that, well some people might just have a different fandom experience. If they really aren’t seeing any of the things you mentioned though, I’d argue they’re probably the ones in a bubble. And that’s okay! This is supposed to be a fun hobby we do in our free time. Blocking out negativity to focus solely on the fun stuff is understandable (and sane). But it does get frustrating when those fans try to dismiss or downplay actual issues within the fandom.
Some of them are just bothered by ARMY criticism because in their minds it’s like you’re either 100% in agreement with them or you’re siding with solos and validating their narratives (which isn’t true). And to those people I think it’s sad that they care more about fandom politics and feeling superior to other groups (ARMY ego) than wanting to genuinely foster a better fan community (or even about BTS).
ARMYs just have this very defensive knee-jerk reaction to any discourse and automatically take the opposite stance of whichever “enemy” group instead of critically examining a situation outside of the context of fanwars. I think that’s why even some OT7 jkkrs will instantly shut you down instead of hearing you out when it comes to fandom issues (it's also why there's so much increased company stanning in CH2).
And real fast, lately nothing has frustrated me more or been more demonstrative of our fandom losing their minds than the gross entitlement and expectation for JK to go live — the constant “jokes”, the obsessive fixation, the insanely dramatic takes… not to mention the massive lack of empathy and common sense. I’m not trying to be rude here but I’ve been very confused about the recent hyper fixation on lives from this fandom in general, especially with JK. It feels like the fandom somehow became even more entitled, insecure, and parasocial? Missing and hoping for lives is one thing, but the people acting insane about it?
It made me wonder if some of our fandom flaws could possibly be rooted in ARMYs becoming increasingly parasocial? (& how a lot of ARMYs actually operate like solos, just with an OT7 font) I’m going to lump all the “savior complex” ARMYs into that parasocial category as well because there’s been a lot of that in CH2.
ANYWAYS, I was just bringing all of this up because imo a lot of the weirdness towards Jikook tends to stem from those types of fans who unfortunately also tend to have the largest fandom presence. So an increase in parasocial behavior means an increase in weirdness towards Jikook
lies and misconceptions about jkk’s bond are still prevent in this fandom and are used most times because (1) they're downplaying jk’s bond with jm to prove he’s “in love”/closer with another member (i’d name certain ones, but atp, take your pick) (2) they're upset/jealous over how their ship doesn't act like jkk (3) they're homophobic (4) they're a solo or anti (5) they're a jealous y/n (6) they’re a fan that is obsessed with parenting/managing their bias.
quoting this here because exactly all of this is what I mean about overly parasocial fans being the ones to take issue with Jikook because that's most of this list imo. I’ve already talked about it a bunch but there are so many fans who project onto their bias to live out their own infatuations and fantasies and whatnot. Whether they're a serious shipper or not they can still get jealous/resentful when another "rival" ship is getting more "moments" (I definitely don’t mean normal shippers of other duos, just overly parasocial/biased ones).
Then you have ofc the toxically intense OT7 ARMYs who are more wound up than usual because of CH2. They especially hate the idea that two members (that they don’t bias or ship) could be closer than others. It conflicts with their specific idealized fanfic coded found family OT7 head canons. Coincidentally I feel like these are often the same ARMYs who repeat the same tired jokes from five million years ago and want to box the members into these stereotypical dynamics from like 2017.
A lot of people clearly had expectations for how the members would interact post-military, like expecting certain members to visibly be all over each other or obviously JK going live every night. I think some people got weird when that didn't happen. They also definitely have control issues and a lot want the members to act in a very specific, familiar way just for their own comfort and reassurance (like matching the fandom established dynamics).
A small, recent example for me would be when Jin interacted with JM instead of JK at his concert. Because people were expecting Jinkook and not Jinmin, there was an insane amount of hit tweets making up scenarios about JK being "jealous" and "trying to play it cool" (because he also didn’t act as hyped as they wanted, so they came up with a narrative for that too) and wanting Jin’s attention 🥴 and these tweets were circulated more than anything about Jikook (or even Jinmin tbh). On top of that, there were some ARMYs (Y/N’s) who actually got annoyed at Jikooker’s and were complaining about their posts about JK waiting on JM. They were angrier about Jikooker’s making tweets about things that actually happened than at the people making up entirely fictional weird scenarios (& not to say that some jkkrs didn't deserve to be called out, but you can tell what these people are actually mad about).
Also real fast, I’m not claiming that Jikook for sure are the closest duo or anything (although I think they have the strongest argument for that), or that they aren’t also incredibly close with the other members or that BTS aren’t a family — but Jikook clearly do have something a bit /different/ about them that aggravates these types of overly parasocial fans (haven’t mentioned them yet but also of course solos are included). At the moment they also just have the most amount of “content” and the fans who are all wound up and needy for their parasocial fix are being kind of noticeably resentful on that (outside of jkkrs, only genuine OT7 poly fans who don’t take it seriously are fun about Jikook lately)
IMO ARMYs have been less and less willing to talk about Jikook the more moments they get, which kind of backs up my opinion that a lot of the erasure stems from various types of jealousy/insecurity (or dislike of Jikookers lol). And yeah absolutely for some it’s homophobia as well. It’s all fun and games until the “married” jokes start looking too real. Regardless of the nature of Jikook’s relationship, when you compare the way they act to what has fans saying “married” for other duos you can see why some of them start to grow uncomfortable.
I have to include this too because I stumbled across it the other day and it’s just the perfect example of how Jikooker’s are being targeted by the fandom lately because of weird jealousy. This is like peak Y/N insecurity lol, another Y/N quoted this with a whole rant too (censoring because I don't want drama).

(first of all, doing math over this lmao? 😭 and they didn't even do it correctly 😭)
Out of all the awful, terrible things that shippers and solos have done and said about JK lately THIS is what OP is taking issue with? They're clearly just feeling pressed over the insinuation that JK went live partially because Jimin was busy, rather than purely because he wanted to spend time with fans (AKA them specifically lmao). Like, they really took that personally 😭
I understand it would be rude if that Jikooker was implying JK didn't genuinely want to spend time with ARMYs too, but I don’t think that’s what they were saying at all. Also the idea that having a lot of free time was probably one of the catalysts for his lives really isn’t an insane take. It’s something some people should actually consider instead of crashing out because he’s busy right now. No one should have been measuring his love for fans through the amount of time spent on lives anyways...
I just thought this was funny because there's been a lot of increased hostility towards Jikookers lately (not genuine criticism) and I genuinely feel like one of the reasons is because so many Y/N's have been seriously pressed lately. This is not that OP's first time weirdly crashing out about Jikook/Jikooker's in the past month. Anyways, do you guys remember when JK said he wasn’t reading the weverse comments because he was busy watching Jimin content? 🥴
Sorry for this whole random tangent. I pretty much agree with everything you said and can remember most of the examples you’re dropping tbh and I don’t have a ton to add to most of it other than just repeating exactly a thousand times lmao.
the difference with tkkrs running around claiming “everyone hates tk” is that not only is that statement false, but it’s a direct cover up response to them being called out for lying and being vile. meanwhile jkkrs are just calling out armys that interact with jm and jk antis, tkkrs, and shipping content while saying that they (armys) don’t like shippers/shipping content, or are spreading misinformation and narratives that were started by tkkrs.
Ugh 1000%. That’s such a common deflection tactic. They literally just start screaming about not being able to say tkk when they were actually being called out for following and interacting with antis, or pushing ACTUAL harmful shipper narratives. And the whole “I’m not a shipper” thing, omg I am tired of this, if you read fic you ARE a shipper 🫵 there’s such a big amount of tkkrs in this fandom that hide behind being hehe jokesters and “poly-BTS” while following and interacting with actual vile shippers. Most of them also believe and spread a lot of toxic shipping narratives on top of that. They just hide behind the “it’s just a joke” “ARMYs are no fun” kind of narratives and then victimize themselves about tkk being a banned word even though the whole fandom was literally just talking about having read some cringe tkk AU.
they claim it’s jkkrs complaining about something that armys have “never seen or even heard about” or something taken “completely out of context”. “the fandom supported ays, my tl looked like the jkk tag”
Just to talk about this with AYS specifically for a minute, I’ve mentioned this before but it was pretty telling which AYS moments ARMYs would choose to hype and circulate versus which ones went ignored. When Jikook mentioned other members, bickered or did something they could frame as “sibling behavior”? You’d see those from every big OT7 account. JK saying that AYS were the best trips of his life?? Not a single big account posted that lmao 😭 and that’s quite the statement and a really sweet and sentimental moment summing up how much those trips meant to him. A lot of the sweet moments, like JK saying he wanted to return to Japan because it was the location of their first trip, got ignored. So yeah it does feel deliberate sometimes.
They would post some of the cute or wild stuff occasionally, but more often than not it was something they could frame as sibling behavior or even some of the roughhousing clips (don't get me wrong, I love those moments) antis were taking out of context. Go figure. Oh yeah, and of course whenever they could use a clip for a Y/N moment. Even some of the more hardcore OT7 Jikookers pointed this out, so yeah I don’t think I was being overly biased with that observation (ofc there were some smaller accounts being genuine and posting those clips, so shoutout to those normal ARMYs who actually love all of BTS lol. You keep the fandom tolerable)
And yeah, all the weird narratives around AYS that came from some ARMYs including all the people being weird about Jeju and guest discourse, or wanting other members to do the second season of AYS. Wanting other members to do their own travel show, okay, but AYS is specifically Jikook’s show with a name literally derived from their unique experience…? It’s like you didn’t see anyone saying that Jin should continue Suchwita, so what is it about AYS that made everyone think it was an OT7 thing? Just odd.
Also let’s talk about how ARMYs abandoned the iheart awards, both for JM and Jikook. A lot of fanbases barely even posted about them (the difference when it was about the AMAs 😬). There was also no uproar when we lost both awards despite winning all of our categories last year.
also claiming that the ONLY issue is tkkrs and not other shippers or armys is genuinely insane!
Oh for sure, already mentioned this a bit up top but it’s 100% a thing for any fan who is overly parasocial about their ship or bias, and definitely for any serious shipper that involves JM or JK. I remember most of the things you listed including how they’ve decided the whole JK minimoni anti thing was solely about JK being jealous over NJ instead of it being about both of them (or god forbid just JM). I thought ARMYs were BTS poly lovers, so why choose to focus only on his “crush” for one of them and not both? Hmm…
cause i remember armys and nmkkrs hyping up jk changing the colors for nj in gcfh as the “most romantic/gayest love confession”, but ignoring that he did a similar thing (and honestly more blatantly imo) for jm in the SAME VIDEO, or that gcfsp or GCFT exist. and attacking jkkers who, without attacking nj or nmkk’s bond, pointed that out.
okay but the fact that every time someone posts that clip it gets an insane amount of engagement and yet like you said he did a VERY similar thing with JM in the SAME video 😭? Yes, jikookers should let nmkkrs enjoy their moments and of course it’s fine for people to ship other duos but these are often OT7 “non shipper” accounts hyping this up while ignoring anything to do with Jikook and GCF. And if they really think that's the most romantic confession ever, seriously, what is their opinion on all the various Jikook GCF things? 😭
This is what I mean about ARMYs and the standards they have for other ships and what qualifies as omg married behavior. If you contrast the majority of those moments with Jikook they don't seem quite as significant or loud. A lot of people obviously don’t like that because it conflicts with their preferred narratives. So they literally have to erase Jikook moments or downplay them so they can prop up other duos and dynamics or specific ARMY narratives (JK having the biggest crush on NJ & "biasing" him, vmn being the designated best friends, etc).
Also nothing wrong with those narratives of course! (like vmin were just being besties a few hours ago) but sometimes ARMYs are so adamant about them that they have to downplay or erase Jikook moments just to continue upholding those narratives to the extreme, and that’s the issue. They allow no growth or nuance for the members and their dynamics either. Like yes, vmin besties but they might also have members in the group they’re closer with these days and that’s totally okay too.
cause i remember armys making jk watching jm content for over an hour about bts, and jk "missing bts" and being an “army" too
Yeah, to me that's one of the most blatant examples of ARMYs OT7ifying Jikook moments out of some weird jealousy or something because that was a whole ass JM marathon and yet the dominant narrative in ARMY spaces is still that JK was binging BTS content. Kind of crazy honestly.
no one is saying you have to think jimin and jk are fucking lol just acknowledge that they’re close and don’t hate each other ✌️
They can’t do that because acknowledging even Jikook’s unique friendship makes their own ship/favorite duo feel less exclusive and their moments less significant or it contradictions some of the most popular ARMY narratives (bc to some ARMYs these guys are not allowed to grow and change, they’re permanently stuck in like 2017 with the exact same dynamics, personalities, and quirks) so…
It really says a lot that Jikook's friendship just as is without attaching any shipping narratives is still too much for some people that they have to make excuses for it to downplay their entire bond.
(and again don’t get me wrong, Jikook have wonderful, lovely meaningful bonds with other members with many great moments to hype, appreciate, ship, and coo over. The issue arises when those fans are too parasocial and must think that THEIR bias or ship is the MOST special and then to do that, they have to ignore or downplay Jikook. I don't care what other people ship, but why does every other ship that involves JM or JK have to have some weird opinion on Jikook? 😭)
And my obligatory I know all of this is not that serious and there are plenty of normal ARMYs who love Jikook 😭 I am not losing sleep over this nor should anyone else and nothing has ever stopped Jikook from doing their thing. I am annoying though and it bugs me so I WILL yap and complain about it when someone gives me an opening to complain lol. Normalize calling out the fandom more often so we can actually try to work on issues and root out toxicity. I absolutely do not think things are going to change atp though sadly. I'm just glad the majority of this has no real life impact.
#ask#anon#discourse#jikook#we always agree lol#sorry for going off the rails again#I am very ADHD today tbh#also was just organizing my fandom thoughts in general lately#i thought the fandom was going to get a little better after they all returned but#it’s actually getting worse? 😭#at least we are going to eat with AYS2 anon#and they are literally working on a whole album right now#so i am happy#free JK for real tho#this live nonsense is going to make me lash out
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