#asgore! she didint get off scott free either! six of her children died by asgores hand and she spent a millenium punishing herself and neve | Explore Tumblr posts and blogs

charafansmile · 27 days ago

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she literally didint abandon them. play the game its heavily implied she stayed and waited and only left when her people BETRAYED her! when asgore didint take back his declaration of war she saw how bloodthirsty her people were when one of her children was human. she never abandoned them they clearly wouldn't have listened to her and she LEFT TO SAVE THE HUMANS THAT WOULD FALL! HER LEAVING WAS PRAGMATIC COMPARED TO ASGORE BEING A COWARD!

she left to DO something about it while asgore cowardly waited hoping another human would never fall because he let his anger get the best of him and then continued to be a coward and lead his people on by not leaving when he killed the first human.

I love asgore hes so very complex and interesting but toriel literally didint do anything wrong and did not NEED any comeuppance especially in pacifist since shes RIGHT! her ideals conflict multiple times in the story in the neutral endings and her arc is about breaking the cycle of grief to fight asgore instead of just trying to protect the humans from him! Her ideals are punished in the neutral endings where she gets exiled again by queen undyne but shes meant to be right in the pacifist ending since her hope that humans and monsters can get along is proven true.

if you really think she needs 'comeuppance' i reallyyy want to know your opinions on asgore and sans cause i only ever see this weird take from sexist fans who dont understand her and are exclusivly sans fans or think asgore did nothing wrong.

Transcript: Sometimes, I wish we had a scene in classic Undertale where Torial gets her comeuppance for abandoning Monsterkind… I wish Undyne or somebody went off at her about it. It just seems unjust for her to get away scot-free… You are free to disagree.

#her people betrayed her and she was the only one of them to view revenge as a bad thing that would lead to more bloodshed #she was level headed enough to understand if asgore declared war then monster kind would be wiped out for good she was thinking more clearl #than he was and didint make any hasty grief fueled decisions she couldn't take back like he did. she was grieving just as much as him #and she handled it better but she understandably LEFT when it became obvious her people who KNEW chara & asriel were willing to let their #memory be tarnished! yes she made mistakes but they are directly addressed in canon and shes clearly meant to be in the right compared to #asgore! she didint get off scott free either! six of her children died by asgores hand and she spent a millenium punishing herself and neve #moving on from her grief! asgore had MULTIPLE support networks and times to pull back his decleration of war he didint need to kill six kid #but until she met sans toriel was by herself and needed to watch 2 of her children die #her people turn against her along with her husband #and then she had to (BY HERSELF) try and protect 7 children from him knowing her HUSBAND killed them in her dead childrens name #its never even stated that she fought all of the 6 humans before frisk some of them may have snuck out and she may have even been seperated #from them or been tricked by them. her fighting frisk is clearly the first time shes fought one of them #and its treated as the tragedy it is not her just beating them up for no reason she just doesnt want asgore to kill them!#okay rant over i hate this stupid idea that shes at fault or needed a reality check when shes meant to be the one giving one

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